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Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:53 AM Apr 2014

Why is the Democratic Party so emotionally disconnected?

The forecast for the upcoming election is looking bleaker and bleaker, and the Democratic Party and Obama seem to be playing politics as usual. They seem to believe that if we lay low, focus on local matters, things will work out okay. But, that is not true. Right now, the Republicans and their base have a deep emotional connection to this election.

A lot of straight white men are angry that they now have to compete on a more equal playing field with women, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, and even gays. They are angry that they have lost so many of their special privileges -- even marriage, even the confidence that they only had to compete against each other for jobs, even their right to verbally or physically belittle others while the law looked the other way. They are blaming everyone but themselves because to take personal responsibility is to admit that they are no better than the rest of us -- gay, female, black, whatever. They want their special privileges back and the only way that is going to happen is if they go all out and find ways, honest or not, to win elections. They are doing that.

What is the Democratic Party doing? Acting like nothing is wrong, people will wake up, and we'll do the responsible thing and vote for the party that delivers very little but represents our multi-cultural society quite nicely. They don't want to really push Obamacare, because that will just further infuriate the Republican base. They don't want to make too much noise on climate change, because that too will mobilize the Republican base. They certainly don't want to talk too much about immigration, women's rights, or gay rights because, boy, they know that will really light a fire under the Republican ass.

But, in the end, they leave us emotionally disconnected, unmotivated, disinterested. Isn't it time to take the fight to the Republicans? Shouldn't Obama be saying that their climate change policies will leave our grandchildren a desert; that if you oppose Obamacare, you might as well oppose Medicare too; that minorities cannot assume their rights are secured when there are so many prominent people in the Republican Party who calling for the curtailing of equality, that the Republican's failure to increase the minimum wage or extend unemployment insurance is destroying the American family and the American way of life, that the Republican refusal to raise taxes on those wealthy few who profited off the recession is the cause of massive deficits? Isn't it time to say that Republicans are trying to divide our country along racial and other lines?

The Democrats need to declare that we have to take our country back from the Tea Party, we have to reclaim it for everyone and stop the polarization that the Tea Party represents. If the Democrats don't get the American people emotionally engaged, then they are sure to lose the midterms elections by a large number, and in the following two years the right wing will further consolidate its power by further eroding election laws.

Obama is great at campaigning for himself, but his legacy rests with his ability to campaign for the nation, and he's not delivering. This is a watershed election coming up. If the Democrats don't hold onto the Senate and do well in other races, then we will really begin to see more and more erosion of our rights. This is a fight, but it seems that the ring is crowded with tough-knuckled Republicans and cautious Democrats. The Democrats need to be provocative, and accept the punches that come their way. If the Democrats do not get the American people emotionally involved, then the Republicans are almost certain to win big.

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Why is the Democratic Party so emotionally disconnected? (Original Post) Onlooker Apr 2014 OP
You speak the hard truth - DURHAM D Apr 2014 #1
I would have to agree... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #51
This bullshit again... Rod Beauvex Apr 2014 #2
There is a little alert button on the bottom of the OP, bottom left. Feel free. Autumn Apr 2014 #6
Hmm. Rod Beauvex Apr 2014 #10
Well if you are into banning posts and posters you don't like there is a lot to work with here. Autumn Apr 2014 #14
Not to worry Cirque du So-What Apr 2014 #15
Well, DU has been around for something like 14 years and has managed without banning Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #78
Ditto that! mazzarro Apr 2014 #16
The communities I have seen decline seem to decline because they want an echo chamber. Autumn Apr 2014 #18
Agreed. Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #79
No there is no "This original post is idiotic!" button whistler162 Apr 2014 #60
The alert button takes care of that. Autumn Apr 2014 #63
No ! DURHAM D Apr 2014 #8
Point taken. Rod Beauvex Apr 2014 #11
Clearly you are not involved in elective politics irl. DURHAM D Apr 2014 #13
Who would you suggest decide exactly what and who should be banned? rhett o rick Apr 2014 #24
How about this: Rod Beauvex Apr 2014 #29
You seem to be trying to find ways to punish people zeemike Apr 2014 #37
I agree - elzenmahn Apr 2014 #52
If DU is so bad that you think it's necessary to be so strict, maybe you are in the rhett o rick Apr 2014 #55
3? dionysus Apr 2014 #70
NO! Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #45
This is NOT 2010. And you got TONS, FUCKING MEGA TONS, of PROGRESSIVENESS after 2008 !!! RBInMaine Apr 2014 #68
The people who stayed home weren't the "purist progressives." Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #69
thank for clarifying noiretextatique Apr 2014 #76
Can't be banned, people love racist bullshit Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #53
Significant portion of this forum? Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #77
I think it is very important yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #83
Maybe our leaders aren't all that invested in winning... polichick Apr 2014 #3
And a reThuglican party to keep alive, somewhat, and use as fig leave in order to keep the masses mazzarro Apr 2014 #20
Yes - without the illusion of two distinct parties, the game's over. polichick Apr 2014 #39
You may be onto something there. nt GoneFishin Apr 2014 #32
Sometimes losing is winning. zeemike Apr 2014 #40
And collect your pension too. polichick Apr 2014 #44
Very good on this part Autumn Apr 2014 #4
That first paragraph is an interesting point. Rod Beauvex Apr 2014 #19
I strongly believe in Democrats discussing and acting on Autumn Apr 2014 #21
To clarify: Rod Beauvex Apr 2014 #23
i think their pros have schooled them on this. mopinko Apr 2014 #26
The Dems who embrace and run on Obamacare are IMO a guaranteed win. Autumn Apr 2014 #28
without a doubt. without a tiny doubt. mopinko Apr 2014 #30
I don't think any of those things will light a fire under many asses but Republican shanemcg Apr 2014 #33
Yes those things would light a fire under the base of the Democratic party Autumn Apr 2014 #36
And I think it is the only thing that will. zeemike Apr 2014 #43
Obama needs to go for broke. Baitball Blogger Apr 2014 #5
K&R for originality JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #7
Because both parties have become the party of "corporations"? TheNutcracker Apr 2014 #9
Oh look - DURHAM D Apr 2014 #12
The Dems completely blew their opportunity for real "positive" change, and instead NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #17
Democrats see how successful Frank Luntz has been for the republican message, CrispyQ Apr 2014 #22
Ya know, I'd really rather that not be the case... polichick Apr 2014 #41
In the movie "The American President" CrispyQ Apr 2014 #46
Believing they are afraid or weak keeps people like us hoping & hopping... polichick Apr 2014 #47
Too many "pragmatists" and too few "crazy lefty extremists." nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #25
the short answer- mopinko Apr 2014 #27
Todays media 24/7 political frenzy is easy to turn off. I won't play the defensive game Rs promote. Sunlei Apr 2014 #31
Thank you! President Obama is the first asjr Apr 2014 #50
Democrats MUST talk JOBS Demeter Apr 2014 #34
I think elected Democrats have little confidence in liberal politics. Maedhros Apr 2014 #35
Way past time for leadership to grow a spine and take the fight to the right on point Apr 2014 #38
Democrats must win the propaganda war JackHughes Apr 2014 #42
Dems are less likely to want to trick people with propaganda. But, sadly, it works. And if the Rs Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2014 #56
The truth JackHughes Apr 2014 #65
Sadly, no. People who believe strongly in something are practically impervious to the truth. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2014 #80
propaganda, as origianlly defined, isn't meant as derogatory; dionysus Apr 2014 #71
Good point. I meant to say that the Rs use propaganda in a negative way in that they Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2014 #81
Your post was so low-key and sleepy, I almost went cross-eyed. Anyway, here's why I agree Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #48
Huh? Onlooker Apr 2014 #57
By himself, right? With the Dems sitting around whining, and the Repukes playing with billions in Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #59
As a straight white man Android3.14 Apr 2014 #49
Sure thing bub, it's all white's fault Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #54
That's not what I said Onlooker Apr 2014 #58
history repeating itself... I hope there's a plan in the works ecstatic Apr 2014 #61
so many excuses - don't get in the mud with them, take the high road, Doctor_J Apr 2014 #62
Problem is that messaging takes big money. Kablooie Apr 2014 #64
The DC DEMS got the memo that they're SUPPOSED to lose the Senate in Nov. Sure looks like that to me blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #66
Ummmm.....sure Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2014 #73
There hasn't even been a FUCKING CAMPAIGN yet. Enough of this fucking shit, ok. RBInMaine Apr 2014 #67
+1000 Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2014 #72
The facts Onlooker Apr 2014 #74
I don't dispute most of those facts per se Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2014 #75
Being blindsided AllIN54 Apr 2014 #82

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
1. You speak the hard truth -
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:03 AM
Apr 2014
Obama is great at campaigning for himself, but his legacy rests with his ability to campaign for the nation, and he's not delivering.


Too bad you are not both his speech writer and policy adviser.

Rod Beauvex

(564 posts)
2. This bullshit again...
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:15 AM
Apr 2014

Can we ban stories like this and ban the people posting them?

Is there seriously any significant portion of this forum that does not plan to go out and vote in 2014 and 2016?

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
6. There is a little alert button on the bottom of the OP, bottom left. Feel free.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:23 AM
Apr 2014

Personalty I consider newbies calling for banning posters and posts to be bullshit, and think that said actions indicate a wrong turn somewhere but that's just me. Welcome to DU

Rod Beauvex

(564 posts)
10. Hmm.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:34 AM
Apr 2014

I may be a newbie to DU, but not internet forums in general. Been around since late 99 -2000. And while I know my suggestion might seem a little extreme. I have seen countless communities decline because no one wants to offend anyone and hand out a few bans.

I'm mostly a lurker at any rate. Don't fall into the trap of believing that small post count = always wrong. Or that newbie = always wrong.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
14. Well if you are into banning posts and posters you don't like there is a lot to work with here.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:41 AM
Apr 2014

DU is a vibrant community. Have fun. Remember bottom left corner.

Cirque du So-What

(25,951 posts)
15. Not to worry
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:42 AM
Apr 2014

DU will deal with trolls. If you stick around here long enough, you'll see.

I also don't believe the maxim that n00b = troll; after all, everyone here is/was a n00b at one time, but in your assessment of this OP, I must say that I believe you are wrong.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
78. Well, DU has been around for something like 14 years and has managed without banning
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:12 AM
Apr 2014

folks for disagreeing with "conventional wisdom".

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
18. The communities I have seen decline seem to decline because they want an echo chamber.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:47 AM
Apr 2014

They seem to ban posts and posters that go against their opinion .

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
63. The alert button takes care of that.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:05 PM
Apr 2014

And if the jury disagrees and thinks the OP or post is fine then you can hide the OP or ignore the poster. That's the best way to deal with "This original post is idiotic!" situations.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
8. No !
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:26 AM
Apr 2014

You have completely missed the point. The OP is not about DU. It is about the casual voter who will remain disengaged because Democrats simply don't stand for anything.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
24. Who would you suggest decide exactly what and who should be banned?
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:59 AM
Apr 2014

The Democratic Party is for "open-minded" people and I dont believe that includes those calling for whole-sale bans.

If you are only interested in hearing those that walk lock-step with you, there are tools here to permit that. Form a group and ban all you want. Trash threads you dont like. Alert on threads or posts that you dont like. Or just go away.

My questions above are rhetorical.

Rod Beauvex

(564 posts)
29. How about this:
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:09 PM
Apr 2014

Since the jury system is well loved, and apparently does better than single moderators, if you get a post hidden three time, you're gone.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
37. You seem to be trying to find ways to punish people
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:55 PM
Apr 2014

for posting crimes...we don't need any witch hunts to purify DU.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
52. I agree -
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 02:56 PM
Apr 2014

...there seems to be an undercurrent of people on the left, as seen in places like DU, that are trying to get the "left" to march in lock-step, like they do on the right.

That's not the Left's nature, neither is it mine. If you don't like a post, then post a reply disagreeing with it. But we don't need DU to be a place where "loyal soldiers" get their "marching orders." We have minds of our own.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
45. NO!
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:17 PM
Apr 2014

The OP is obviously identifying a real threat and trying to both sound an alarm and propose a course of action.

For us to ignore or deny the real possibility--even probability--of impending politico-socio-cultural disaster is the quickest route to extinction. Not just as a party but as a species.

Nate Silver is already picking up the first tremors; things will only get worse after McCutcheon. Just keep picturing Anne Romney's reaction to being denied the throne.

If we don't put up a meaningful agenda that gives people something to vote for, and convince them we mean it, we will crash.

Obama won in 2008 on a landslide of hope. Dems were dumped in 2010 because of unfulfilled dreams.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
68. This is NOT 2010. And you got TONS, FUCKING MEGA TONS, of PROGRESSIVENESS after 2008 !!!
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:10 PM
Apr 2014

The list is llllllllllllong and I sure won't repeat what PROGRESSIVE got after 2008.

But without purity, way too many stayed home and whined like little spoiled babies.

It was BULLSHIT. Now, not all did. Some got out and did some very good work. But TOO MANY rank and file "progressives" are whiners who sit home when they don't get purity. And some just sit home because if it's not a Presidential year, they have, I don't know, another video game to play. (???) Who knows.


There hasn't even been a god damned CAMPAIGN yet. Let's at least wait for that, ok?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
69. The people who stayed home weren't the "purist progressives."
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:22 PM
Apr 2014

It was the relatively detached, generally apolitical types who had come out in force for Obama & didn't see the changes they had been hoping for soon enough. You can argue that Obama had done as much as he could, and maybe that's true, but people weren't much feeling the effects yet, so they stayed home. I was doing a lot of phone banking for Feingold then, and could feel th disaster coming from the responses I was getting. We worked hard, we put in a lot of hours, but it was an uphill battle all the way. The Administration did NOT do a good job of publicizing the good things they had actually done; the "masses" saw and resented the bailouts. Nobody was as yet benefiting from the ACA, etc.

Don't try to blame 2010 on the Progressives.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
77. Significant portion of this forum?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:10 AM
Apr 2014

Probably not. Significant portion of the Dem's liberal base, possibly. Large portion of the "middle of the road low information voters"? Very possibly.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
83. I think it is very important
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 09:51 PM
Apr 2014

This is called cheerleading the base so that we all get energized and not only vote ourselves but get every Democrat to vote along with us. I am surprised by your post.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
3. Maybe our leaders aren't all that invested in winning...
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:15 AM
Apr 2014

They've got a pipeline to complete and a "trade deal" to get done.

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
20. And a reThuglican party to keep alive, somewhat, and use as fig leave in order to keep the masses
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:52 AM
Apr 2014

subservient to the real masters - the corporate oligarchy.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
40. Sometimes losing is winning.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:03 PM
Apr 2014

If you are in a rigged game.
I mean you can go from a politician that lost his election to a member of the board of directors and a lobbyist and make some real money if you are a go along kind of person.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
4. Very good on this part
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:19 AM
Apr 2014

"They don't want to really push Obamacare, because that will just further infuriate the Republican base. They don't want to make too much noise on climate change, because that too will mobilize the Republican base. They certainly don't want to talk too much about immigration, women's rights, or gay rights because, boy, they know that will really light a fire under the Republican ass."

And yet the republicans made sure that their base knew they were fighting against that evil Obamacare. Fifty fucking times, fifty when each time the republicans knew it was going to fail. I have to say, that would be very admirable to me if I were a republican. Hell. strike that, I admire anyone who can show their base that they are working tirelessly and repeatedly to achieve their goals even if those goals are horse shit.

Rod Beauvex

(564 posts)
19. That first paragraph is an interesting point.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:47 AM
Apr 2014

I also wonder how many democrats really believe in things like what you mention. Dinos and blue dogs and whatnot.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
21. I strongly believe in Democrats discussing and acting on
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:57 AM
Apr 2014

climate change, immigration, women's rights, and gay rights and I believe many liberal Democrats believe in those things, in fact I have never met a Democrat that wasn't for those things. Dinos? Fuck em. Blue dogs and whatnot? Avoid blue dogs at all costs and I'll toss in a fuck the whatnots too.

mopinko

(70,148 posts)
26. i think their pros have schooled them on this.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:00 PM
Apr 2014

i know axe has been saying this to anyone who will listen.
the smart dems are doing it. dick durbin and jan schakowsky are taking fat victory laps. (i suspect they were at least in part behind the rose garden presser the other day.)
and jan is going to any district that invites her to sing it, too.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
28. The Dems who embrace and run on Obamacare are IMO a guaranteed win.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:04 PM
Apr 2014

By election time the people will be clamoring for more.

mopinko

(70,148 posts)
30. without a doubt. without a tiny doubt.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:09 PM
Apr 2014

by november people will not only be enrolled, they will likely have seen a doctor for the first time in a long time, too.
and people chained to their jobs will have either jumped already or be planning to do so.
the degree to which this will juice the economy in general and wages in particular is being way, way, WAY underplayed. but it should be plain as day by november as well.

 

shanemcg

(80 posts)
33. I don't think any of those things will light a fire under many asses but Republican
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:33 PM
Apr 2014

Maybe a jobs plan, raising minimum wage, expanding SS, Wall St and Election Reform, issues like that may well start a fire under the rest of our asses though.

Just like voting for the lesser of two evils, I'd like to have the option to vote for something that helps everyone, rather than pandering to certain groups or whether it might light a fire under republicans or take away an issue from them.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
36. Yes those things would light a fire under the base of the Democratic party
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:42 PM
Apr 2014

A jobs plan, raising minimum wage, expanding SS, Wall St and Election Reform along with climate change, immigration, women's rights, and gay rights. All those thing should be front and center by the Dems. Pushing and getting all of those things, even if it took 50 failed attempts would fire up the base. And who the hell knows, on the 10th time it just might work.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
43. And I think it is the only thing that will.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:11 PM
Apr 2014

All that other stuff means nothing to people who actually need those things, which is OUR base.
But the democrats seem to be AWOL on that.

And welcome to DU.

Baitball Blogger

(46,747 posts)
5. Obama needs to go for broke.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:22 AM
Apr 2014

I know he's showing great restraint because he's being counseled by Blue Dogs and pro-corporatists who are terrified of the turf wars they will lose if they can't deliver the Democratic Party to their tainted local networks.

I'm sure he's smart enough to realize that we are aware of how we continually get sold out by our own party. It would be just incredible if he tapped into our anger in order to bring relevance back to the party.

Okay, so I'm dreaming.

JohnnyRingo

(18,637 posts)
7. K&R for originality
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:23 AM
Apr 2014

I don't agree with a lot of what you say, but you put a lot of work and heart into that well written piece, and I'm not about to unreasonably snip at it.

I'm a bit more compromising than you though, because I believe successful party politics involves both appealing to the heavily weighted center and making liberal advancements. It takes a tactful hand on the tiller to plot such a course for the party, and I've seen some pretty good work by the DNC and Wasserman-Schultz. I see the Tea Party to more an albatross than influence for republicans in general because of their uncompromising demands.

You make some valid and thoughtful points however. I share your concern with the 2014 cycle and beyond, but see politics as more a slowly sweeping national pendulum than a left/right logic switch, and believe the pendulum can be brought to a halt and pushed back our way sooner than you fear.

It was refreshing to read something that wasn't just cut & pasted from somewhere this morning. Thanx for posting.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
17. The Dems completely blew their opportunity for real "positive" change, and instead
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:46 AM
Apr 2014

proceeded with tinkering about the edges of legislation while ensuring that constructive change would not affect their wealthy donors. It obviously didn't work. Once again, we will be left with another election where the board will be full of "which party would you rather have selecting Supreme Court Justices? Because, once again, that's all they got.

CrispyQ

(36,482 posts)
22. Democrats see how successful Frank Luntz has been for the republican message,
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:58 AM
Apr 2014

& yet they don't hire an equivalent. Why not? Why don't we hire George Lakoff or someone, anyone, who knows the value of framing & understands how to do it successfully?

In his book "Moral Politics" Lakoff discusses part of the dem problem - liberals tend to be more intellectual & believe that people are swayed by facts, not soundbites. But there is a huge segment of the population for which that isn't true. Clear Skies, Healthy Forests.

We need to frame the message, which begs the question, why don't we? Dem leadership doesn't even try. Could it be that Polichick nailed it in post #3?

polichick

(37,152 posts)
41. Ya know, I'd really rather that not be the case...
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:06 PM
Apr 2014

but it doesn't make sense to think they're all too stupid to put together a great campaign - especially with Madison Ave. marketing talent and Hollywood storytellers available.

What got in the way of fast track for the TPP? Liberal Dems. Do they really want to take the chance that there will be more obstruction?

CrispyQ

(36,482 posts)
46. In the movie "The American President"
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:27 PM
Apr 2014

the Annette Bening character & the Michael Douglas (president) character are discussing possible gun legislation. He says it will never pass & she questions, "How do you know until you put the full weight of the presidency behind it?"

I want to scream this to the democrats - all of them. If you would put the full weight of the Democratic Party behind progressive policies, like a strong safety net & putting Americans back to work & fixing our infrastructure, you would not need corporate cash to get elected. Of course, you would also not be invited to sit on the corporate gravy train during & after your tenure.

I think the dems have been afraid of the media ever since Reagan poked fun at the word liberal. They should have fought back, but they tucked tail & ran. They've been weak ever since & more & more have climbed on the gravy train.

I realize they are not as bad as the other party, but holy fuck, that's our standard?

polichick

(37,152 posts)
47. Believing they are afraid or weak keeps people like us hoping & hopping...
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:35 PM
Apr 2014

What happens if we don't believe that anymore?

I really think the only leaders who still want to enact traditional Dem policies are the liberal members of Congress - the very ones standing in the way of fast track for the TPP. And they aren't afraid or weak - they've been marginalized by establishment Dems. So are those Dems (Third Way) afraid or weak - or is their agenda just different from the agenda Dem voters have in mind?

You're right, "the full weight of the presidency" matters - maybe Pres. Obama is doing that with the TPP. Though the agreement has been kept largely secret, he has made no secret of his intention to get it done.

mopinko

(70,148 posts)
27. the short answer-
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:02 PM
Apr 2014

we are mostly too good to think like the truly evil. 2 different flavors of brain, and rarely comprehensible to each other. and so we fall prey to the f.u.d.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
31. Todays media 24/7 political frenzy is easy to turn off. I won't play the defensive game Rs promote.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:11 PM
Apr 2014

Go to the source and find out what the President is active on. http://www.whitehouse.gov/

Here is a couple of current issues. The man has a lot on his plate and he keeps focus.


President Obama will continue calling on Congress to:

1: Raise the minimum wage to $10.10 for all American workers.
2: Ensure women get equal pay for equal work by passing paycheck fairness
3: Extend emergency unemployment insurance for Americans who are looking for work.
4: Reward hard work by expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit.
5: Remove retirement tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and improve them for the middle class.
6: Protect LGBT workers by passing the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.


asjr

(10,479 posts)
50. Thank you! President Obama is the first
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 02:06 PM
Apr 2014

black president we have ever had and may be the last if the Republicans take over Congress and the Senate. Is there anyone who believes this black man will not do everything in his power to help the Democrats do what is best for our country? Where we need to go is to every state in the U.S. with the Democratic message and give fuel to our ideas by relating them to the voters. Especially in the Southern states. In my state of TN we have two Republican senators--the good old boys type who wear their red shirts and ride in their pick-up trucks to let the people know they are just like them. We have a Republican governor who probably keeps to himself he only went to 6th grade. Listen to him and you will believe it. Our state legislature is full of low-education creeps. And people who think they are gods. One for my county who got elected in spite of his having many mistresses and had some of them keep their mouths shut, can get people to vote for him by being one of the good old boys who tells them crap and is believed. That is the biggest rock to climb during any election. Democrats from every states need to make many trips throughout their state to tell the voters what we can do FOR them. Don't just ask about their hay harvest or their wives making pinto beans and cornbread. I truly believe this may be our last chance to survive. How many more 5-4 decisions from SCOTUS will we be able to digest?

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
34. Democrats MUST talk JOBS
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:35 PM
Apr 2014

JOBS JOBS JOBS

Jobs for the young. Jobs for the middle-aged. Jobs for the elderly (my 80 year old friend is working because the stock market ate her retirement IRA).

Jobs for the experienced. Jobs for the inexperienced. Jobs for the educated. Jobs for the not-so-educated.

JOBS JOBS JOBS


the Democrat who talks jobs gets my vote.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
35. I think elected Democrats have little confidence in liberal politics.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:39 PM
Apr 2014

This is why Obama was compelled to declare that his idealogy is that of a moderate Republican.

Personally, I think Democrats have a lot to gain by refusing to buy the message of the Right Wing Noise Machine (i.e. that Liberal is a dirty word) and to take a bold stand for liberal issues. So many people are just itching for the gloves to come off.

on point

(2,506 posts)
38. Way past time for leadership to grow a spine and take the fight to the right
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:57 PM
Apr 2014

except I think they are afraid of their corporate masters.

JackHughes

(166 posts)
42. Democrats must win the propaganda war
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:09 PM
Apr 2014

America's plutocracy has embraced a relatively new radical social Darwinist ideology coupled with technical advances for 24/7/365/4D propaganda saturation -- such as Fox News and coast-to-coast right-wing AM radio -- that resembles a psychological warfare operation more than a political campaign.

This tightly disciplined, lavishly funded, brainwashing operation has resulted in an electorally significant number of the peasants supporting their feudal lords' economic interests instead of their own, which has kept Republicans politically competitive despite their disastrous (for all but the wealthy) policies

Democrats have the advantage in traditional GOTV while Republicans have excelled at propaganda, using massive ad buys and via rigid party message discipline. For Democrats to neutralize the Republican propaganda advantage begins by simply establishing a coordinated media strategy and message discipline using common rhetoric -- which amplifies the message's penetration power. Far from mounting a coordinated propaganda counter-attack, Democratic candidates often run as "independent" freelancers -- frequently contradicting established Democratic principles -- making the Democratic Party seem incoherent and weakening the Democratic "brand."

This propaganda war can only be won when Democrats begin to aggressively counter and refute Republican propaganda -- an action for which the Dems have been pathetically out-gunned to date. To win elections, voters must be given more compelling reasons to vote for Democrats other than the fact that they're "not Republicans."

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
56. Dems are less likely to want to trick people with propaganda. But, sadly, it works. And if the Rs
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 04:54 PM
Apr 2014

are doing it, we need to, and do it better. Unless they show me they can do it in a different way, I say they need to go full out with it.

JackHughes

(166 posts)
65. The truth
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 08:01 PM
Apr 2014

All the Dems have to do is tell the truth -- and aggressively show the voters that Republicans are crazy liars.

Democrats seem too polite to brand theses liars as liars. Democrats continue to treat Republicans with the old courtesies instead of the dishonest lunatics bent on destroying the country that they are.

Democratic timidity is losing elections.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
80. Sadly, no. People who believe strongly in something are practically impervious to the truth.
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:45 PM
Apr 2014

Read Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts by social psychologists Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson, to see what I mean.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
71. propaganda, as origianlly defined, isn't meant as derogatory;
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:38 AM
Apr 2014

"While the term propaganda has acquired a strongly negative connotation by association with its most manipulative and jingoistic examples (e.g. Nazi propaganda used to justify the Holocaust), propaganda in its original sense was neutral, and could refer to uses that were generally benign or innocuous, such as public health recommendations, signs encouraging citizens to participate in a census or election, or messages encouraging persons to report crimes to law enforcement, among others."

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
81. Good point. I meant to say that the Rs use propaganda in a negative way in that they
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:50 PM
Apr 2014

use it to promote lies, philosophies, and policies that are harmful to most Americans. I think the Dems need to rev up their propaganda machine to promote the truth, along with philosophies and policies that would be helpful to most Americans.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
48. Your post was so low-key and sleepy, I almost went cross-eyed. Anyway, here's why I agree
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:40 PM
Apr 2014

and why I disagree.

You're right. We need to take the nation back from its Nazi, right-wing Neo-Con wet dreams, which are the result of billions of dollars of right wing propaganda that has come crushing down for over 33 years upon a people (Americans) all too naive and all too willing to believe in fairy tales.

You're right. We need to take our country back from the Neo-Cons. They've infected our country for 33 years, and they have had for over 33 years, the corporations and the mega-billionaires financing all the right wing propaganda, right wing websites, right wing "think tanks," right wing churches, right wing moles that inhabit even DU, and keeps the country thinking that Nazi Neo-Con ideology is Jesus-like, good for families, and oh so holy.

I disagree on Obama and I'm going to give you an analogy. The other day a friend of mine said she's never taking her family to Disneyworld again. Why? Everything she tried to do, there was always someone whining, "NO! I don't want to do that!" "No! I want to do this other thing first!" "I'm disappointed - I thought this was going to turn out like this and that!" As a result, she was the ONLY ONE trying to please the whole group of whiners, and she finally gave up. Now she says that "over her dead body" are they ever returning to Disneyworld again.

Likewise, unless the libs are together on this, we can't expect 1 sole individual to keep cheerleading the half-dead slugs on. We libs are the ones that need to do the work, rather than being a bunch of baby whiners.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
57. Huh?
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 04:55 PM
Apr 2014

Why did you bother to criticize my writing? Did you just want to find a way to insult me? Perhaps, because then you go on to refer to the people we need as "half dead slugs." Boy, you ought to do a little self reflection! Obama is in the best position to build an emotional connection between the voters and the upcoming election. He commands the socalled bully pulpit, and from there he can begin to generate the kind of excitement and anger that will motivate the electorate to vote the Tea Party out of power.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
59. By himself, right? With the Dems sitting around whining, and the Repukes playing with billions in
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:00 PM
Apr 2014

anti-Obama propaganda?

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
49. As a straight white man
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:48 PM
Apr 2014

This attitude
"A lot of straight white men are angry that they now have to compete on a more equal playing field with women, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, and even gays."
Might have a little to do with it.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans-mostly-white.aspx
Alienating 60 percent of your base is stupid, obnoxious, and hurts the party.
The Democrats should be promoting the following:
Public paid post secondary education
Infrastructure
Jobs
Environment
The New Apollo (energy independence)
Privacy rights
Getting money out of politics

That will excite the base and the rest of the independent electorate.
All the rest is complicity and sabotage.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
58. That's not what I said
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 04:58 PM
Apr 2014

There are plenty of liberal, progressive, non-bigoted straight white men, but the Tea Party gets its power from primarily straight white men. There are many surveys that prove that. The way you interpreted my post I would have expected in a forum like this, but would have expected had I posted this in a forum frequented by conservatives.

ecstatic

(32,718 posts)
61. history repeating itself... I hope there's a plan in the works
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:38 PM
Apr 2014

I think voter disenfranchisement and women's access to birth control and abortion would be a great start. F what repubs think about it. Those issues were a huge hit at the convention. Also, dems could focus on people who are still uninsured due to their governors rejecting Medicaid expansion.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
62. so many excuses - don't get in the mud with them, take the high road,
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:20 PM
Apr 2014

"They're overplaying their hand", don't act like an angry black man, . This is the reason the repukes have been winning for a generation. The president and the rest of the democrats should be screaming about death panels and the Koch brothers and Roberts and Fat Bastard...

So discouraging

Kablooie

(18,635 posts)
64. Problem is that messaging takes big money.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:24 PM
Apr 2014

And the majority of the big bucks go to Republicans because they support more of the policies that give away more big bucks to the big buckers.
That's on top of the conservative TV and radio that flood the airwaves without diluting the Republican pile of cash at all.

If Dems don't have an equivalent amount of cash to throw around, (or even more to counteract the conservative media), they won't be able to push their message as strongly.

In other words, we're pretty well screwed.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,416 posts)
73. Ummmm.....sure
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 08:34 AM
Apr 2014

Harry Reid is no doubt eager to become Minority Leader and Alison Grimes is surely just a token effort against Mitch McConnell in KY. Also, Dems are surely not trying in Georgia either.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,416 posts)
72. +1000
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 07:41 AM
Apr 2014

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The primaries haven't even been held in most states. Also disagree with the premise of the OP. Just because Democrats are not foaming-at-the-mouth crazy about their causes like the righties are about their insane "causes" doesn't make them "emotionally disconnected" or "trying to lose". Enough of this nonsense. There will be plenty of time for recriminations IF the election doesn't go well but why should we automatically assume that it will be bad? That's just buying into the corporate media line. Yeah, traditionally, Democratic voters don't get out much to vote during the midterms but that doesn't mean that that's how it always has to be. As long as we GOTV, we can at least hold the line in the Senate. If you don't feel like the Dems are pushing things the way you think they should, well, get thee down to the local campaign office and/or DNC and TELL THEM! Don't know that the DNC is spending time reading our posts for ideas. And if you think that you need more from the Dems for them to "earn your vote", well I don't know what to say. You've no doubt been paying attention to what President Obama and the Dems in the Senate have been trying to do and what the Republicans have been pushing in the House. Which agenda do you want to support and/or see enacted into law? That should help make up your mind quick enough, shouldn't it?

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
74. The facts
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 08:55 AM
Apr 2014

Don't be like a climate change denier and ignore the facts. The facts are that multiple polls show Democrats less motivated, less likely to go to the polls, and independents slowly drifting towards the Republicans. Further, midterm elections historically are bad for the party that occupies the presidency. Further, many states are passing laws that are reducing access to voters in ways that will affect the poor (disproportionately minorities) more than other groups. In addition, the Supreme Court has given the Republicans an advantage by allowing unlimited money into elections. Lastly, the campaign has begun. Republicans are out there swinging at Obamcare, gay marriage, climate change, the deficit, etc. Because some of their swings are wild, they get a lot of media attention, and even bad media attention gets their message out there.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,416 posts)
75. I don't dispute most of those facts per se
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:44 AM
Apr 2014

but it doesn't mean that any of those indicators can't change or that a negative outcome is inevitable. Back in 2010, the Republicans had a lot of anti-Obama energy from the newly formed "Tea Party" groups and ACA had just been signed into law and not implemented yet and Republicans were able to scare enough people into believing their lies about it and fool enough people into thinkin that they cared more about jobs and the economy than President Obama and the Dems (ha!). People now actually have insurance under ACA, the polling for ACA is improving, the sky hasn't fallen since 2010 because of the ACA or because of President Obama's policies, and the economy, while still sluggish, is doing much better than it was back in 2010. Here's another thing to consider: One of the reasons that Republicans' chances of winning the Senate- per Nate Silver- are better this year than in 2010 and 2012 is that the Tea Party candidates aren't doing as well in terms of winning primaries, which indicates a drop in strength among Tea Party groups in the Republican Party and could also help depress enthusiasm for voting among Tea Party groups since their candidates aren't winning primaries, which could benefit Democrats or at least create a "washout" in terms of voting strength. It's not looking great for us to be sure but the Republicans will still be limited in what they can do even if they win both chambers in 2014 and they will have a large number of seats from 2010 to have to defend plus a Presidential campaign in 2016 that will bring out more Democratic voters.

AllIN54

(1 post)
82. Being blindsided
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 09:42 PM
Apr 2014

I have found, many are so busy trying to work two jobs, just to make the rent. The education of what is taking place should be where emotions run high, the churches. Many great movements, was organized in the places of worship. During the Bush administration, many received Faith Base Payments and came up with this separation of Church and State movement. It seems Dems are keeping it divided, when the Republicans are running and trying to push, what their beliefs on the masses. Many in the Urban areas, are not aware of the Republicans 2014 agenda. The young is what the target is. Grass roots is what is needed. Speaking the language of the youth.

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