2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJudging from an off-hand remark Elizabeth Warren made while speaking with People Magazine, she seems
to be reconsidering her previously firm statements about not running for the presidency. This ought to
give rise to the hopes of some Warren fans. I sure feel good about it. There ought to be others.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/would-warren-really-run_b_6051424.html?utm_hp_ref=elizabeth-warren
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Hillary has name recognition and bucks, but she doesn't appeal to a broad base.
Warren, OTOH, can speak to the middle class, the disenfranchised, people in both parties and, most importantly, to the independents and registered Republicans who are not happy with the status quo.
Warren has no baggage and has passion that's evident and appealing to the greatest number of voters.
Given the ground game and organization that Obama had, and some good ads, she'll take it from Clinton!
Cal33
(7,018 posts)$43 million when she was running for the Senate -- almost all from the grassroots.
This is the most money ever raised in senate-race history. She does appeal to
the masses because she is working for the middle-class and the have-nots.
It's about time somebody did. I feel that if she does become president, there is a
strong chance that she will reverse the political trend which has been going more
and more to the right since the past 40 - 50 years. If anyone can make the trend
turn left, she is the one to do it.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)communication skills than Ms. Clinton. And, her broad knowledge base gives here an edge.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)combination!! Many instinctively know that here, finally, is someone we can safely trust!
She is a winner.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It would be a trouncing, the real deal versus someone well-practiced in saying the right thing with very little authenticity to back it up.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)want to say negative things about Hillary -- after all, they're both members of the same party.
former9thward
(32,005 posts)In the same party...
Cal33
(7,018 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)So we will have to fight, I reckon!
former9thward
(32,005 posts)I do not favor people eligible for social security to run for president. I want some younger blood and younger ideas in the job.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)she does. Being young in spirit could be more relevant than being young in years.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Would be fantastic entertainment, especially if she was up against Warren and Sanders. I think I would pay my t.v. to watch that.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Of course that could go bad too depending on the questions asked.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Liked this from the article:
And unlike Clinton, Warren is a woman who made it in politics on her own, and not as half of a couple whose husband was president first.
Oh ZING!
Cal33
(7,018 posts)that few others would dare to do -- challenging and calling out the big bankers, making them
squirm during investigations.
It's quite possible that if she became president, the corporate big wigs on Wall Street would
hate her and treat her more badly than they are treating Obama now. She wouldn't hesitate
in going after those big gangsters.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)And the first thing she couldn't pull off because of obstruction or the many reasons that things don't always go well in Washington, many will turn on her and stab her in the back and call her names like piece of shit.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Some people already wrote off President Obama- in 2009- when the size and scope of the Republican obstruction machine was getting into gear and he had to start making compromises to get his agenda through (i.e. public option). The same people would write off/abandon Warren (or Hillary or whomever) the instant they have to shift from campaigning to governing and continue to stay home in midterms, thus keeping the cycle of Democratic Presidents and Republican-dominated Congresses (after the first 2 years) alive and well.
A Clinton / Warren ticket, with Clinton as President, and Warren a very active VP, like almost a co - presidency..
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Is it possible Clinton might ask Warren to consider running with her? It clears up the confusion over Warren's statement this week, words to the effect, "it is amazing the doors that might open...." People excitedly wondered if she was walking back the "I am not running for President" statement -- which she has uttered a myriad of times.
The next day, however, Warren made that same latter statement in an interview on MSNBC. One might think he or she could reconcile these two statements with the thinking that Clinton has asked Warren to consider running with her. What a stellar move if Hillary has done this! Two strong females running on the same ticket would excite many Americans. Additionally, Hillary would preempt the problem of Warren running as number two for someone like Bernie Sanders.
I am not fully a Hillary convert, but if this is in the works I would have to salute her political smarts in that maneuver.
What do you think?
Sam
Cal33
(7,018 posts)prolongation of the corruption that has been gradually increasing for the past
half-century. This nation is already in the gutter. We need to start trying to
get out of it, not go further in.
Actually, it would be hard to see either lady accepting second place. Their
views on how our country should go are so radically different -- they are
almost direct opposites. Cramming their differences into one sentence, Clinton
is for expanding Wall Street, while Warren is for reining the giant Al Capone in.
She has asked the question if there were any big bankers in jail, has she not?
And more than once.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)First of all, Hillary would never share the limelight and attention of being the first woman in that office with another woman as VP.
Sorry, but I think she's an egomaniac.
Second, their points of view are so divergent that it just wouldn't and couldn't work.
Warren as President, Clinton can be a Senator or something if she wants.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)I think things are different from 2008 as Hillary's tenure as SOS left people not obsessed with Benghazi largely thinking she did a good job. I'm not sure we here are totally reflective of all democrats. And certainly not independents. (No they can't vote in the primaries but they could contribute $ to her)
brooklynite
(94,552 posts)Remind me when Obama endorsed Hillary Clinton before running against her?
marlakay
(11,465 posts)Hillary folks as she well knows will be pulling out all the stops and going after any even slightly negative thing about her or anyone in her family.
I would love for her to run but would feel sorry for her and her family the whole time knowing what they would do to her.
And what about her husband? We never see him, he would have to get out there to make it work. The last few times we had candidate where you could tell their spouse was not into it, didn't do well in the end. Howard Dean comes to mind, I liked him and his wife but she held back wanting to keep her career. I don't blame her but it might have cost him.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts).....and elect Elizabeth Warren?
Dare I dream?
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JudyM
(29,241 posts)REHM: And, finally, Senator Warren, lots of Democrats still hoping you'll run for president. Are you thinking about it?
WARREN: I am not.
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2014-10-27/the_risks_of_income_inequality
demwing
(16,916 posts)Warren is done "thinking about it," and has decided to run.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)possibilities of changes in the political situation -- we still have 2 years to Nov. 2016 --
nobody can foresee what might happen between now and then.
demwing
(16,916 posts)but it's comical to see people wrestle with words to squeeze out meaning that isnt really there.
brooklynite
(94,552 posts)Do you seriously believe that Warren would pitch her change of heart to People Magazine?
I had lunch with her a few weeks ago. She wasn't inclined to reconsider then, and she's STILL on record encouraging that DLC-Third Way Neo-con Hillary Clinton to run.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)only with people like Warren, Sanders, Grayson.... They have the guts to oppose Wall Street's
kingmakers. But, I still prefer Hillary over any Republican. She would delay the fall of the ax
a little longer, at least.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)just because you ate lunch together.
brooklynite
(94,552 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)If I had lunch with Elizabeth I wouldn't expect to be privy to her plans for 2016 like I wouldn't expect her to give me her PIN number.
brooklynite
(94,552 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)This does not make them liars. It would be foolish suicide to announce too early and maybe she, Warren, hasn't made her final decision yet but is inching closer to a YES! Why does this frighten so many Hillary people?
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)That gave me renewed hope that Elizabeth is seriously mulling it over. Fingers crossed.
TeamPooka
(24,226 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)It always goes like this:
1. Take a Warren interview or quote where the question of her candidacy is asked.
2. After Warren answers in a way that usually sounds like "Haven't I already answered this? Yeah, whatever, give it a rest, I have other work to do" the writer parses the quote. "That wasn't a 'no!" or "Gee, that was vague, I can draw my own conclusions, anything she's said previously be damned."
3. Repeat the same talking points on Hillary Clinton.
3. Warren supporters: SHE'S RUNNING! I KNEW IT! WOO HOO!!!
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)I didn't think anyone has yet because it's just too early.
Wishing Warren runs is not so different from wishing Hillary runs, except to the folks that are Ready for Hillary and have her throne polished and ready and no interlopers and disturbances, please! lol