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Cal33

(7,018 posts)
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:26 PM Nov 2014

NBC poll: 29% of Americans view the GOP positively. Yet they can win elections! How come?

Saw on Al Sharpton's TV program just now that according to an NBC poll,
only 29% of the people have a positive view of the GOP. If that figure
is even half-way accurate, it would be impossible for them to win any
political elections without MASSIVE CHEATING nationwide.

I can't see how Democrats can prevent this massive cheating, especially
in the Republican-dominated states.

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NBC poll: 29% of Americans view the GOP positively. Yet they can win elections! How come? (Original Post) Cal33 Nov 2014 OP
because that means there are still 71 percent who don't view them that way JI7 Nov 2014 #1
Sorry, I made a mistake, which I corrected just now. Cal33 Nov 2014 #4
ok, on your edit, it's because the people that vote are just within certain districts or states JI7 Nov 2014 #11
It would also show how racist they really are..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #2
Sorry, I made a mistake, which I corrected just now. Please re-read the post Cal33 Nov 2014 #7
I don't know what you mean....but I stand by what I said....there are a lot of White people that VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #14
The theory that Republicans are racist yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #28
baloney.....that will Never happen. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #33
Obama has been a smashing success given the circumstances, but will you see ANY randys1 Nov 2014 #26
Those 29% vote? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #3
I think that's the problem right there. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #6
Sorry, I corrected the error I made, and which I corrected just now. Please re-read my post. Cal33 Nov 2014 #8
I had figured out your mistake & was replying to Erich, not you. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #13
They're the Palins of the country too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #10
Yes, the teaparty morons vote and vote and vote, look at that completely insane randys1 Nov 2014 #27
because the other 71% don't vote pstokely Nov 2014 #5
Precisely. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #15
...because Democrats don't campaign Roselma Nov 2014 #9
Because that 29% includes the people with 90% of the money, their own tv stations, their own world wide wally Nov 2014 #12
Because their side does the same thing ours does: Maedhros Nov 2014 #16
Masochism n/t Duer 157099 Nov 2014 #17
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ CanonRay Nov 2014 #18
Yes, I think this and all of the above play a role. And Dems. mostly don't bother to fight back Cal33 Nov 2014 #19
Dems- particularly in red states- run from their party/President Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #22
We would have to know what percentage views the Democrats positively. totodeinhere Nov 2014 #20
True. Nothing was said about the Democratic Party, although I'm sure that the favorable Cal33 Nov 2014 #21
The Democrats have relativity better ratings but not by much. totodeinhere Nov 2014 #32
You don't have to view the party positively to vote for it. Butterbean Nov 2014 #23
I suppose you are correct, but I also think these people are in the minority. Cal33 Nov 2014 #24
Not in Florida this year yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #30
Because the numbers aren't that great for Democrats either onenote Nov 2014 #25
Voter suppression thru legal loopholes, Voter ID laws, Gerrymandered districts, Citizens United, & think Nov 2014 #29
Because people are in an "out with the bums" mood. Beacool Nov 2014 #31

JI7

(89,249 posts)
1. because that means there are still 71 percent who don't view them that way
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:28 PM
Nov 2014

and the only need about 50 percent and sometimes less than that to win an election.

the numbers might be similar for democrats .

JI7

(89,249 posts)
11. ok, on your edit, it's because the people that vote are just within certain districts or states
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:42 PM
Nov 2014

many who view them negatively would be people in places like california, new york etc .

they don't need the votes of all people just those within their own place.

there is also a tendency for people to view the whole as a negative but they will support their own because of the pork they bring back. or some other district matter.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
2. It would also show how racist they really are.....
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:30 PM
Nov 2014

and that we just didn't show up to support our side yet again.....when WE vote WE win...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
14. I don't know what you mean....but I stand by what I said....there are a lot of White people that
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:48 PM
Nov 2014

are just not sophisticated enough not to be visceral in their reactions to candidates and react with thier guts noth their heads, they are just afraid of not voting with "their tribe" for fear of reprisal....and others that are outright racist....neither group would ever make a single vote that might look the least bit like they support "that Black guy". These are people that have no real understanding of how govt even works..they "do do nuance"....if you get my drift. Many don't even know that Republicans control Congress....they think its all about who won the Presidency....and that at that point that person's party runs the entire govt.....

I would guess the floor for the above described group....at least 30%.....so there you go....in the Midterms....we the Democrats are slack...we don't always show up for those....and considering all we have to do is counter the paragraph above....their base....the racists and those that are fearful OF the racists...will vote Republican JUST to stick a finger in the eye of the "Black guy in their White House".

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
28. The theory that Republicans are racist
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:33 PM
Nov 2014

Will only be answered when Allen West is the Republican nominee for President. If Republicans refuse to vote for him then we have concrete proof. I hope he runs. It would be an interesting study.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
33. baloney.....that will Never happen.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 02:54 PM
Nov 2014

Do you think they stopped being sexist because they voted for Sarah Palin?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. Obama has been a smashing success given the circumstances, but will you see ANY
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:31 PM
Nov 2014

network person or for that matter Democratic candidate talking about his tremendous success in the face of the worst hate and obstruction in history?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. Those 29% vote?
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:34 PM
Nov 2014

As opposed to the masses who have simply given up on politics entirely after getting screwed for so many decades?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
6. I think that's the problem right there.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:37 PM
Nov 2014

Only about half the general public votes, but damn near 100% of that rabid 29% votes.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
13. I had figured out your mistake & was replying to Erich, not you.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:48 PM
Nov 2014

Given that the total vote is (say) 50% of those eligible, and almost 100% of the 29% vote, then only another 21% vote; that is, the vote consists of the 29% crazy Republicans and another 21% drawn from that 71%. The Republicans vote most of the time, and the Dems do not, thereby producing all those Republican victories. That's why Dems win when we get big vote turnouts but lose when too many people stay home. Come hell or high water, the Republican crazies don't stay home.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
10. They're the Palins of the country too.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:42 PM
Nov 2014

They're doing it simply to troll the rest of us. They're so marinated in hate and fear that they're more than happy to screw themselves over too, as long as they can screw the rest of us.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. Yes, the teaparty morons vote and vote and vote, look at that completely insane
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:33 PM
Nov 2014

dipshit Ernst in Iowa...

Literally not qualified to check names off of a list of voters in a polling place let alone Senator.

Complete moron, insane, has thoughts and ideas that we used to make fun of, we used to call people like this cuckoo...

America is badly broken, terrible breakdown in common sense while the criminals are stealing everything.

Roselma

(540 posts)
9. ...because Democrats don't campaign
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:40 PM
Nov 2014

on their accomplishments. They don't brag. People tend to believe that if you don't tout your successes, you don't have successes worth touting. Also, Democrats tend to not on their run on ideas for improving people's future lives. Republicans always say, "we're going to cut your taxes." That is and always has been a winning promise whether it happens or not.

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
12. Because that 29% includes the people with 90% of the money, their own tv stations, their own
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:45 PM
Nov 2014

radio stations, and their own newspapers. Not to mention all those trailer park Teabaggers that get out the vote for their billionaire brothers.


 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
16. Because their side does the same thing ours does:
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:50 PM
Nov 2014

They vote for people they don't like, against their own self interest, because they are told to "or else the Other Side will win!"

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
19. Yes, I think this and all of the above play a role. And Dems. mostly don't bother to fight back
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 09:14 PM
Nov 2014

hard enough or with any consistency. Right now we need someone like Truman to fire up the
Dems. and give the Repubs. hell. Liz. Warren is like a gentler, more refined Truman, and she
gets her message across. That's why the Dems. love her, and her popularity shot up like a
shooting star. She isn't afraid to say what's on her mind.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
22. Dems- particularly in red states- run from their party/President
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:12 AM
Nov 2014

Which doesn't help and makes it look like there IS something wrong with them.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
20. We would have to know what percentage views the Democrats positively.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 09:24 PM
Nov 2014

Some surveys have shown that neither party is very well regarded.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
21. True. Nothing was said about the Democratic Party, although I'm sure that the favorable
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 07:28 AM
Nov 2014

numbers are higher than the Republican ones.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
32. The Democrats have relativity better ratings but not by much.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 02:09 PM
Nov 2014

According to Pew the Democrats have a 79% unfavorable rating and the Republicans are at 82%.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/section-2-growing-partisan-antipathy/

Butterbean

(1,014 posts)
23. You don't have to view the party positively to vote for it.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:06 AM
Nov 2014

I have seen it posted a ton of times here people saying they will "hold their nose" and vote for some candidate they horribly dislike, and how they will vote D even though they're horribly disappointed in the party, etc., etc.. Just because you don't agree with/approve of 100% of what a party does doesn't mean you won't vote for them.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
30. Not in Florida this year
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:41 PM
Nov 2014

I was sick to my stomach voting for Republican Crist this morning. Many others were too. Hugely disappointed in The Democratic Party in Florida for forcing him on the voters. But alas they don't care because voters like myself will hold our noses to vote for him regardless of the disaster he was as Governor before. In a state with so many Democratic politicians, he was the best we have? A Democratic person for two years??? Absurd.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
25. Because the numbers aren't that great for Democrats either
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:25 PM
Nov 2014

and you have to factor in an enthusiasm gap (turnout) and the fact that elections are local and national polling numbers can be misleading in that regard (particularly where the Senate races tend to be centered around reddish states).

The NBC poll showed a 29/47 favorable/unfavorable view of Republicans
But it also showed a 36/43 favorable/unfavorable view of Democrats.
Those are actually pretty close numbers when margins of error are factored in and with midterm turnout traditionally higher among those who lean republican and with the specific states where control of the Senate will be decided also leaning reddish, its not that surprising an outcome.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
29. Voter suppression thru legal loopholes, Voter ID laws, Gerrymandered districts, Citizens United, &
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:40 PM
Nov 2014

Democratic candidates that won't run on issues and try to run to the right of Obama to name a couple things...

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
31. Because people are in an "out with the bums" mood.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 02:07 PM
Nov 2014

So they'll vote against the one siting in power. The same mood they were in 2006 when the Democrats took control of the Senate. People were fed up with Bush. Now, going by the polls, they are fed up with Obama.

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