2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNBC poll: 29% of Americans view the GOP positively. Yet they can win elections! How come?
Saw on Al Sharpton's TV program just now that according to an NBC poll,
only 29% of the people have a positive view of the GOP. If that figure
is even half-way accurate, it would be impossible for them to win any
political elections without MASSIVE CHEATING nationwide.
I can't see how Democrats can prevent this massive cheating, especially
in the Republican-dominated states.
JI7
(89,249 posts)and the only need about 50 percent and sometimes less than that to win an election.
the numbers might be similar for democrats .
Cal33
(7,018 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)many who view them negatively would be people in places like california, new york etc .
they don't need the votes of all people just those within their own place.
there is also a tendency for people to view the whole as a negative but they will support their own because of the pork they bring back. or some other district matter.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and that we just didn't show up to support our side yet again.....when WE vote WE win...
Cal33
(7,018 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)are just not sophisticated enough not to be visceral in their reactions to candidates and react with thier guts noth their heads, they are just afraid of not voting with "their tribe" for fear of reprisal....and others that are outright racist....neither group would ever make a single vote that might look the least bit like they support "that Black guy". These are people that have no real understanding of how govt even works..they "do do nuance"....if you get my drift. Many don't even know that Republicans control Congress....they think its all about who won the Presidency....and that at that point that person's party runs the entire govt.....
I would guess the floor for the above described group....at least 30%.....so there you go....in the Midterms....we the Democrats are slack...we don't always show up for those....and considering all we have to do is counter the paragraph above....their base....the racists and those that are fearful OF the racists...will vote Republican JUST to stick a finger in the eye of the "Black guy in their White House".
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Will only be answered when Allen West is the Republican nominee for President. If Republicans refuse to vote for him then we have concrete proof. I hope he runs. It would be an interesting study.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Do you think they stopped being sexist because they voted for Sarah Palin?
randys1
(16,286 posts)network person or for that matter Democratic candidate talking about his tremendous success in the face of the worst hate and obstruction in history?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)As opposed to the masses who have simply given up on politics entirely after getting screwed for so many decades?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Only about half the general public votes, but damn near 100% of that rabid 29% votes.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Given that the total vote is (say) 50% of those eligible, and almost 100% of the 29% vote, then only another 21% vote; that is, the vote consists of the 29% crazy Republicans and another 21% drawn from that 71%. The Republicans vote most of the time, and the Dems do not, thereby producing all those Republican victories. That's why Dems win when we get big vote turnouts but lose when too many people stay home. Come hell or high water, the Republican crazies don't stay home.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)They're doing it simply to troll the rest of us. They're so marinated in hate and fear that they're more than happy to screw themselves over too, as long as they can screw the rest of us.
randys1
(16,286 posts)dipshit Ernst in Iowa...
Literally not qualified to check names off of a list of voters in a polling place let alone Senator.
Complete moron, insane, has thoughts and ideas that we used to make fun of, we used to call people like this cuckoo...
America is badly broken, terrible breakdown in common sense while the criminals are stealing everything.
pstokely
(10,528 posts)nt
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Roselma
(540 posts)on their accomplishments. They don't brag. People tend to believe that if you don't tout your successes, you don't have successes worth touting. Also, Democrats tend to not on their run on ideas for improving people's future lives. Republicans always say, "we're going to cut your taxes." That is and always has been a winning promise whether it happens or not.
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)radio stations, and their own newspapers. Not to mention all those trailer park Teabaggers that get out the vote for their billionaire brothers.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)They vote for people they don't like, against their own self interest, because they are told to "or else the Other Side will win!"
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)CanonRay
(14,101 posts)And voting machines
Cal33
(7,018 posts)hard enough or with any consistency. Right now we need someone like Truman to fire up the
Dems. and give the Repubs. hell. Liz. Warren is like a gentler, more refined Truman, and she
gets her message across. That's why the Dems. love her, and her popularity shot up like a
shooting star. She isn't afraid to say what's on her mind.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Which doesn't help and makes it look like there IS something wrong with them.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Some surveys have shown that neither party is very well regarded.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)numbers are higher than the Republican ones.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)According to Pew the Democrats have a 79% unfavorable rating and the Republicans are at 82%.
http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/section-2-growing-partisan-antipathy/
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)I have seen it posted a ton of times here people saying they will "hold their nose" and vote for some candidate they horribly dislike, and how they will vote D even though they're horribly disappointed in the party, etc., etc.. Just because you don't agree with/approve of 100% of what a party does doesn't mean you won't vote for them.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I was sick to my stomach voting for Republican Crist this morning. Many others were too. Hugely disappointed in The Democratic Party in Florida for forcing him on the voters. But alas they don't care because voters like myself will hold our noses to vote for him regardless of the disaster he was as Governor before. In a state with so many Democratic politicians, he was the best we have? A Democratic person for two years??? Absurd.
onenote
(42,700 posts)and you have to factor in an enthusiasm gap (turnout) and the fact that elections are local and national polling numbers can be misleading in that regard (particularly where the Senate races tend to be centered around reddish states).
The NBC poll showed a 29/47 favorable/unfavorable view of Republicans
But it also showed a 36/43 favorable/unfavorable view of Democrats.
Those are actually pretty close numbers when margins of error are factored in and with midterm turnout traditionally higher among those who lean republican and with the specific states where control of the Senate will be decided also leaning reddish, its not that surprising an outcome.
think
(11,641 posts)Democratic candidates that won't run on issues and try to run to the right of Obama to name a couple things...
Beacool
(30,247 posts)So they'll vote against the one siting in power. The same mood they were in 2006 when the Democrats took control of the Senate. People were fed up with Bush. Now, going by the polls, they are fed up with Obama.