I want all of Dick Cheney emails released and punishment for the destruction and loss of emails

[UCmeNdc]

The same goes for Condi Rice, Colin Powell, etc.

[livetohike]

1. Definitely. Long overdue for this and make sure nothing is redacted.

Who will lead on this though?

[yeoman6987]

6. If they were running for President, it would be mandatory

Perhaps that is why they are not running for any office.

[UCmeNdc]

7. Either it is illegal or not. No double standards for one politician in high office and a different

standard for another politician.

[joshcryer]

2. Bush had a 30 day retention policy.

20 million emails deleted.

It's gone.

[former9thward]

8. Not true.

National Archives has all Bush administration emails. http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/access/bush-email-restoration.pdf

[joshcryer]

11. Not true, read the timeline:

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20080417/chron.htm

They settled but a lot of emails were missing, some of it due to the practice of recycling backup tapes, some of it due to retention policy, some of it due to moving from one exchange to the next. No one will ever know the extent at which the data was lost.

[former9thward]

16. Then why are no elected Democrats saying these things?

Because they know it is not true.

[UCmeNdc]

18. They are. The GOP is protecting Cheney and Bush

[former9thward]

21. Who?

[joshcryer]

19. They are. The question is why the media ignores it.

Which is obvious. The Republicans can get away with much more cronyism and corruption than the Democrats because the mass media has lowered the bar so much for Republicans, that it's not an "issue."

Republican incompetence = normal behavior.

Democratic mistakes = hair on fire conspiracy.

[former9thward]

22. Who are they?

[UCmeNdc]

23. Nancy Pelosi, Bernie Sanders

Cynthia McKinney



http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/06/new-documents-confirm-cheneys-office-lost-plame-emails








http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/the-emails-that-dick-cheney-deleted/

http://www.alternet.org/story/99909/how_dick_cheney%27s_zeal_for_warrantless_spying_nearly_brought_down_bush_presidency


http://www.mintpressnews.com/halliburton-case-eviscerate-shareholder-lawsuits/186100/

[former9thward]

24. Pelosi and Sanders are not mentioned in your first two links.

McKinney is a CTer who has no credibility. She believes we have sent men to Mars. I did not clink on the other two because they are websites full of CTs. And so no elected Democrat has said there are millions of lost emails. BTW why isn't the National Archives complaining about it?

[onecaliberal]

3. We heard about 30 million emails being deleted

Before bush left office. IOKIYAR. We haven't heard a peep about that. None of it was ever subject to FOIA, and if I recall correctly nothing was turned over for preservation or review.

[rock]

4. Why is it IOKIYAR?

Because no one (Democrat, repiggie, or Independent) expects better behavior from you!

[onecaliberal]

5. I have no idea why it's okay if you're a con.

They can commit any felony, torture, rip off trillions, kill innocent people on the street. You name it.
Dept of justice yawns. We are a nation of laws for the little people, and excess, do whatever you want for the 1% corporate owned.

[former9thward]

9. National Archives has all Bush emails.

None were deleted. http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/access/bush-email-restoration.pdf

[hughee99]

10. Don't let facts get in the way of attacking

Republicans or defending Hillary. If someone wasn't more familiar with your posts, they might accuse you of spouting "RW talking points" which sadly has come to often loosely translate to "don't bother us with your facts and logic".

[joshcryer]

12. Read this timeline:

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20080417/chron.htm

I know the cool kids like hating on Clinton, but Bush's incompetence is 100x worse than anything Clinton ever did.

It all boils down to "are we self-reporting" because that's literally all you can do when it comes to providing information to the archives. This is why the archives had to sue Bush to get the data. It's why $10 million was spent scouring every drive that the data could've been on.

I think Bush's retention policy and tape recycling policy was intentional.

I don't see any intentional deletion of data on behalf of Clinton.

[hughee99]

13. It kind of seems to boil down to the people running the project didn't really know what they were

doing, and were tasked with, after the fact, finding emails that they may have already lost. The backup recycling policy seems to have ended in 2003, and the rest of the timeline reads like the normal list of thing you'd see in a normal large-scale email transition (along with a lot of lawsuits and ruling). Given that years later, the IRS still had an archaic email system, I think your conclusion that it was "intentional" is a stretch, at least as far as I could see in the timeline, though "incompetence" doesn't seem like a stretch at all. I didn't see anything in this timeline about 30 million missing emails. I googled it and didn't find any story about "30 million" missing emails. I did find some stories about the Obama Administration locating some of "22 million missing emails", which would I guess would mean the Bush administration wasn't even competent at being nefarious, which isn't a shock either.

[joshcryer]

14. Not in a strategic sort of way.

Just that being incompetent favors them.

More like "fuck it, who cares if it's done right, pay people to do it, and see what happens." Intentional in that vein. They have an idea it's a piss poor transition so they pay some small firm $80k to do it. The company comes back and says they failed, then you let the archivist sue you and use taxpayer money to get the data back.

No one is going to call it "nefarious," it's just the "good old boys club," and "one would love to have a beer with Bush."

But in the end (intentional, forced, on purpose) incompetency favors them because they just lower the standard and throw out all sorts of inane excuses. If a Democrat, however, makes a misstep in what they say, all hell breaks loose.

[hughee99]

17. I agree. I think that sounds much more likely.

Their incompetence in so many other areas has been so well documented, if they actually did this with any competence, I'd be surprised. It really did seem like their goal was to lower the bar of expectations from the get go.

[joshcryer]

20. To clarify, I don't think they thought they were lowering the bar.

They didn't sit around saying "hey, let's lower the bar, lower expectations, and we'll get away with it."

They literally, in my opinion, went "who gives a fuck about government, let's do the least we can, and see what happens." Because government is mired in bureaucracy they get away with it. "Bureaucracy" is seen as a bad word but it really means thousands of everyday workers doing their job and following policy and procedure. They wake up, eat breakfast, go to work, and follow procedure set forth. The Republicans are kings at exploiting this. It doesn't matter the political persuasion of the person in particular, they're filing reports, doing studies, looking over materials. And they do what they learned to do (some on the left, some on the right, who cares; the bias at that level is minimal at best).

To me it's less about "let's lower the bar" than it is "let's do nothing and see what happens."

[blkmusclmachine]

15. +1000