Latest poll of African Americans: Hillary 82%, Sanders 6%, Webb 3%

[Cali_Democrat]

Since everyone seems to be talking about how #BlackLivesMatter will impact the race for the Democratic nomination, I decided to take a look at the latest poll numbers from PPP, the most accurate pollster from the 2012 presidential election cycle.

Here's where the candidates stand when it comes to the black vote:

Clinton may be up by 35 points instead of 56 this month, but she's still pretty dominant
across demographic lines. She is polling over 60% with liberals and seniors, and over
5o% with moderates, men, women, whites, and younger voters. Her area of greatest
strength though is with African Americans, where she gets 82% to 6% for Sanders and
3% for Webb

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_72215.pdf

[artislife]

1. It isn't looking good

That's a shame.





I hope we can turn it around.

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. Well ...

I hope we can turn it around.

I suspect the "WE" part (i.e., his most ardent supports) is Bernie's biggest problem with African-American.

[artislife]

8. I am not disagreeing about the state of things

Kind of eye opening for this Latina.


Still, he is my first choice.

[DCBob]

2. Thise are like Hillary vs a Republican numbers.

Bernie simply doesn't connect with AA voters.

[ibegurpard]

3. long way to go to February

[artislife]

9. This is what gives me hope! nt

[ananda]

16. Maybe it's because Clinton has a history.

When Bill Clinton was president life was good for so many more people
than it is today, including Black people.

[spqr78]

69. life seemed better.

Many people long for the days of ponzi schemes, deregulation, and manipulation of appointments to regulatory agencies that facilitated the theft of the collected wealth of an entire generation of Americans.

Many people long for heroin.

The number of victims of domestic abuse victims who stay with their abusers until they die is pretty high.
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result each time.

[ananda]

75. The economy really was good under Bill Clinton.

I used to visit with people during my political activism work in Houston
after Bush got elected, and all the Black people remembered Clinton
fondly, saying the economy was so much better then. That was true,
he did preside over a good, healthy economy.

I agree that Clinton had some serious faults, and presided over some
very harmful policies and practices.

But life for many Black people really was better then.

[spqr78]

79. life was better then,

in the same way that a heroin addict's life was better when they first started doing heroin. More accurately, it was better in the same way that life is better when a gambling addict is winning.

The Clinton economy was three bubbles and a ponzi scheme. The tech bubble deflated enough before it burst that it didn't do much harm, but the other two bubbles (mortgage, trading) didn't burst until 2008. The repeal of Glass-Steagall and neutering the commodity futures trading commission (CFTC) combined with the systematic, intentional firing of effective regulators and hiring of wall street insiders as wall street regulators all happened during the Clinton administration under the watchful eye of Allen Greenspan and his acolytes Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, Ben Bernanke, and the rest of his Ayn Rand worshipping sociopaths.

The economy wasn't better.

It had been boobytrapped. It was set up to seem like all was well, but it wasn't.

[MADem]

4. Who in hell is voting for Jim "Confederacy/Heritage" Webb?

JC Watts, Uncle Ruckus and Herman Cain?

Good grief!

[dsc]

6. maybe military people

He is our only candidate with a military record.

[MADem]

22. Maybe they thought the pollster meant songwriter Jimmy Webb!!!

James Layne "Jimmy" Webb[1] (born August 15, 1946) is an American songwriter, composer, and singer. He has written numerous platinum-selling songs, including "Up, Up and Away", "By the Time I Get to Phoenix", "Wichita Lineman", "Galveston", "The Worst That Could Happen", "All I Know", and "MacArthur Park".[2] He has had successful collaborations with The 5th Dimension, Glen Campbell, Richard Harris, and Art Garfunkel. In addition, his compositions have been performed by many popular contemporary artists, including Linda Ronstadt, The Supremes, Johnny Maestro & the Brooklyn Bridge, Rod McKuen, Frank Sinatra, Thelma Houston, The Temptations, Barbra Streisand, Joe Cocker, Judy Collins, Donna Summer, America, Amy Grant, Dionne Warwick, John Denver, Johnny Cash, James Taylor, Billy Joel, Tom Jones, Michael Feinstein, Rosemary Clooney, R.E.M., Cassandra Wilson, and Carly Simon.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Webb

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. Yeah ... I saw that and wondered, too. n/t

[MADem]

30. If they weren't thinking of the songwriter, maybe they were thinking of the NASA guy!!

He died a decade or so ago....I also found a doctor of the same name who deals with gifted children, and a lawyer in NC who got in some legal trouble...!

It's a common name! I didn't realize how common until I started looking!

Hey, I might vote for the driftwood sculptor James Webb!!! This guy has some talent!!!



http://jamesdoranwebb.com/

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. Or, perhaps they were thinking about ...

this guy:

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[MADem]

47. Won't let me seeeeeee....!

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[artislife]

10. That made me laugh....nt

[JI7]

52. military types and those in industries which want less environmental

Regulations.

[MADem]

59. Or people messing with the pollster....?

Yeah, THE DONALD....THAT's the ticket!!!! Maybe Michele Bachmann could be his VEEP!

[whatchamacallit]

11. Obviously Bernie sucks

or something.

[Vattel]

12. Having the best record on issues of race should help to improve those numbers.

[zappaman]

14. Wait until they find out he marched with MLK once!

[whatchamacallit]

18. Yeah, you're right zappaman

Bernie ain't shit. <smh>

[zappaman]

23. Never said that and in fact, I disagree.

He's a good guy fighting the good fight and if he becomes President, I'm sure I'll be as happy with him as I am with Obama!
Take your negativity elsewhere, bub!

[whatchamacallit]

26. Uh huh... n/t

[zappaman]

27. Yup...n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

19. LOL ...

[whatchamacallit]

21. Why is this so much fun?

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. You lack self-awareneself-awareness ...

And, it gets amusing at times.

[whatchamacallit]

29. Interesting coming from you

So, I guess you're no longer "undecided" eh?

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. No ... My position has not changed regarding who I support in the Democratic primary ...

as I've said, I'm leaning toward O'Malley; but, since my state's primary is after Super Tuesday and most of the swing states and my job won't allow me to travel to a earlier primary state to campaign, I really don't have to choose.

[whatchamacallit]

37. Let's see if I have this straight...

After all your righteous indignation in defending the AA community's consensus that Hillary Clinton is the best, most intelligent choice for PoC, you may go against it?

Lol, there's definitely a dearth self-awareness happening somewhere.

[Vattel]

20. Weird reply.

Call me crazy, but my thinking is that a lot of AAs care a lot about issues of race and so, since Sanders has the best record on those issues, that gives me hope that his numbers with AAs will improve with time and increased familiarity.

[Stellar]

76. "a lot of AAs care a lot about issues of race "? WRONG!

No! A lot of AA's cares a hell of a lot about LIVING. That's what all the fuss is about.

[NanceGreggs]

41. Yeah, once THAT story gets out ...

... things will turn around!

[Stellar]

70. +1

[artislife]

15. I think this is the bottome

Sure...it is pretty much rock bottom....but...I think he is going to reach people who haven't even considered him.

(I like your photo!)


He has a good message and combined with his career, there are a lot of people who want what he aims to do.

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. So you are just going to stick with ...

"Black folks just don't know him yet" narrative? Right?

[zappaman]

24. Seems to be the play book.

Not sure how much longer it can be used though....

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. ...

"The Veer Offense ... it's just like NovoNovocaine. Just give it a little time and it'll work, just fine."

- Coach Boone: Remember the Titans

[whatchamacallit]

33. So, I guess you're no longer "undecided" then

[1StrongBlackMan]

45. How many times do I have to answer the same question ...

I've noticed that about Bernie's fans ... you make statements/ask questions; then, when corrected/answered, you ignore the correction/answer to re-make the statement/ask the same damn question.

[whatchamacallit]

46. Yeah, we're all the same

all look the same to.

[1StrongBlackMan]

56. I see what you did there! But no, though many of you .

Share a few commonalities ...

Loud ... arrogant ... egocentric ...

[whatchamacallit]

57. Why don't you give the inciting a rest

I see you.

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. Okay. How about we call a truce ...

I will stop posting "incitement(s)", if you stop following me around posting nonsense.

[whatchamacallit]

63. No deal

Nobody follows you, and when you post shit on DU expect it to get called.

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. Okay ... I will unilaterally stand down. You have gotten more than your share of my attention. n/t

[Bobbie Jo]

50. Isn't that the truth. nt

[whatchamacallit]

62. Is it?

How can the dim, unreasoned profiling of a group be the truth?

[Vattel]

25. Some know him well, some know a little about him, and some hardly know him at all.

Please let me have a little hope, lol.

[zappaman]

13. Sanders is catching up!

I have a feeling this is gonna come down to the wire!

[NCTraveler]

32. I expect to see a small change in....

I expect to see a small change in those numbers over the months. Bernie will gain some of those currently supporting Clinton. There is a familiarity with Clinton. I think as many in the AA community start seeing Sanders in videos over that of reading about him, they will without a doubt like what they see. Don't think the outsider angle won't be attractive either.

The first state are pretty void of diversity. If Sanders can keep campaigning like this he might go into the early states closer than some think. If he were to pull out a victory, momentum could have an enormous effect. News in the following days as the go into the next states would be non stop David vs Goliath. It will be extremely favorable toward Sanders. As recent history shows us, momentum in this area can move beliefs and opinions. Sounds overstated but it really isn't. States like SC will be flooded with Sanders momentum. People who weren't that familiar with him are going to get a quick lesson. Ten percent can be huge.

Some are coming very close to touting these polls as if these votes are guaranteed. Rhetoric that can only be viewed as using the numbers themselves to say ha, told you the black community doesn't like him. It could be no further from the truth. They don't know him. Not talking about you and your op.

[nc4bo]

34. +1 nt

[Senator Tankerbell]

36. Can someone try to explain this to me?

I really don't understand why Hillary apparently has such overwhelming support from black voters. Are there particular policy positions she has or actions she has taken in her career that would warrant such strong support? I'm really trying to understand.

[DCBob]

39. Fairly or not, Hillary is seen as being sympathetic to the needs of the African American community.

Whereas Bernie is seen as old white Jewish guy from a pearly white rural state who cant possibly understand the plight of inner city black people. These perceptions will be hard to turn around by election day.

[Senator Tankerbell]

40. Right. I kind of understand

the skepticism of an older white guy from Vermont but I don't understand the inclination to assume that Hillary is any more sympathetic to the needs of African Americans than other democratic candidates. I mean, is there anything we can point to in her career that would lead someone to that conclusion? Did she pass legislation in the Senate or take action as Secretary of State?

[DCBob]

43. I think its mostly due to being associated with the "First Black President".

She is riding his coattails on this one, although she does have some creds on her own.

[oasis]

65. Tunnel vision perhaps. She's seen as the ONLY viable candidate for Democrats.

Makes sense to me.

[Maedhros]

42. She pushed "three strikes" laws and supports the prison-industrial complex.

Can't understand why she polls so high with black Americans.

[Recursion]

74. Occam's razor: people think she can win and doubt Bernie can

They may well be wrong in that (the new head-to-head polling is interesting), but I'd imagine that's a lot of people's biggest consideration.

[JI7]

54. It has more to do with being able to connect

Same goes for her popularity among gay men.

[iandhr]

67. Maybe because...

... Bernie's rallies and his supporters are whiter then a hockey game at the University of Vermont

[Senator Tankerbell]

68. What does that have to do with my question?

I'm trying to figure out why Hillary has such high levels of support from Black voters, not why Bernie doesn't.

[iandhr]

78. There are probably many reasons but this is my guess as to one of them.

After the BLM stuff at Netroots Nation it appeared that Sanders supporters were lecturing African Americans about how "good" Bernie was.


I am not black but Sanders supporters lecturing people on the internet I am guessing didn't sit well. (It wouldn't with me if I was) It appears that many of Sanders supporters are harming the candidates outreach to minority communities.

[Senator Tankerbell]

80. That doesn't really explain support for Clinton

The people responding to the polls are saying that they support Clinton. They aren't saying 'undecided' or 'anybody but Bernie'. The only explaination I can come up with is that Clinton is seen as more electable. So Bernie is going to need to come up with a way to demonstrate that he can win in the general. I think Obama faced the same problem and he was able to overcome it by getting endorsements from establishment dems like Ted Kennedy. I am worried that Bernie won't be able to get similar types of endorsements since he has always been critical of the party. Maybe an endorsement from Warren would help.

[gollygee]

72. She has more experience with this level of campaign.

She's made some major mistakes in the past and she's learned from them. She also has a huge staff with plenty of experienced and skilled advisors. None of this would make her a better president, only a better campaigner.

People listen to politicians to find out what's important to them. People of color are being killed at scary rates, so it makes sense that they want to hear in campaigns that the people they're voting for have racism as a top priority. Sanders has a great voting record and I think he figured that people could see that and know how he felt, but people didn't just want to hear about his voting record or civil rights record - they wanted to hear what his priorities were. The more a politican talks about an issue, the higher a priority it seems to be. I don't think he got that until very recently.

Sanders is talking about issues of racism more now though, and hopefully we'll see things change. This is the age of the internet, and public opinion can change quickly.

[Recursion]

73. Voters don't really vote on policy, most of the time

I mean, we aren't electing a set of ideas to the White House, we're electing a person.

[Historic NY]

38. Other news in the poll shows Clinton still strong actually going up a few points.

Clinton is in pretty good shape when it comes to potential general election match ups as well. She leads all of the potential Republican candidates by anywhere from 3 to 13 points, comparable to a month ago when her advantages over them ranged from 3 to 7
points. The Republican who comes closest to Clinton is Rand Paul, who trails by 3 at 45/42. Also coming close are Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Scott Walker all of whom trail by an identical 5 point margin at 46/41.

By far the worst performing Republican against Clinton is Donald Trump, who trails 50/37. The general electorate takes even greater issue with his comments about John McCain than the GOP one, with just 16% of the overall population agreeing with his comments while 60% say they disagree. Trump could definitely make a splash in the general running as an independent at this point though. He gets 23%, taking almost exclusively from Jeb Bush, and leaving Clinton with a 43/25 advantage. Independent voters are a three way tie in that scenario with Clinton and Trump each getting 29% and Bush at 28%. And it's a measure of Bush's difficulties on the right that with 'very conservative' voters Trump actually gets 44% to 41% for Bush and 6% for Clinton.

Rounding out the match ups with Clinton she leads Mike Huckabee (46/40) by 6, Ben Carson (47/39), Chris Christie (46/38), and
Ted Cruz (48/40) all by 8, and Carly Fiorina (47/37) by 10.

We also tested Bernie Sanders against the key Republicans and he trails all of them except Trump. His deficits are 7 points against Jeb Bush (44/37), 5 points against Marco Rubio (41/36), and 1 point against Scott Walker (40/39). Against Trump, Sanders leads 47/37. On average Sanders does 8 points worse than Clinton against the Republicans in these head to head match ups.

[jalan48]

48. Looks like Hillary vs. Jeb

My guess is that Hillary will serve eight years and then it will be Jeb's turn for eight. Will Chelsea be old enough to run in 2032?

[DCBob]

49. Hillary's VP will be next POTUS following her 8 years.

[betterdemsonly]

51. Does this poll general election voters or primary/caucus voters?

While it would be nice if Bernie were better known among blacks, and I do think blacks would like him better if they did, it is not a disaster if their loyalty to dlcer Barack Obama, encourages them to fall into line behind Clinton in the general. Most blacks live in deep red states anyway. Most blue states with high black populations heavily favor Bernie

It will be sad, and ironic, since the Clinton/DLC wing are the pro-prison industrial complex dems, but he can clear a path in other ways.

Unfortunately many of them favor the type of democrat that increases black incarceration rates. Yes, Obama attached himself to this wing.

[Stellar]

77. Did you come up with all of that by yourself?

Because you sound like the typical Bernie supporter that seem to be everywhere at once.

[GoneFishin]

53. I just vote how everyone else votes. Wait ... no I don't. GO BERNIE!

[bravenak]

55. HOW DID WEBB GET 3 PERCENT?!?!?

[betterdemsonly]

58. There are many blacks in the military. n/t

[marym625]

60. They were just sleepy and hit the wrong button

I don't buy this. It's very different than any other poll I have seen

[bravenak]

66. Damn. Cannot believe he got 3 percent. I'm mad at that.

[Stellar]

71. Things do change though...consider Senator Obama in 2007...

Poll: Dems favor Clinton over Obama

By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has significantly widened her lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination in the wake of a dispute over handling foreign policy, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds.
The survey, taken Friday through Sunday, puts Clinton at 48% — up 8 percentage points from three weeks ago — and Obama at 26%, down 2 points. Among Democrats and independents who "lean" Democratic, former North Carolina senator John Edwards is at 12%.

POLL RESULTS: The 2008 race
The 22-point gap between the two leaders is nearly double the margin found in the July 12-15 poll.

"People are seeing her as the one ready to be president," says Mark Penn, Clinton's chief strategist, a perception he says was "accelerated" by the recent debate.

Bill Burton, Obama's spokesman, dismisses the findings. "National polls may go up and down before people actually start voting, but their irrelevance will not," he says.

Among Republicans, the race was stable: Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani at 33%, former Tennessee senator Fred Thompson at 21%, Arizona Sen. John McCain at 16% and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney at 8%...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-08-06-poll_N.htm

If Sanders grabs hold to the #BLM organization, that could significantly help him poll better with AA's.