2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI really want Mr. Biden to run for President!
Mrs. Clinton is not viable! Am not against a woman president but she is not the one!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)There's this:
and this:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-bush-vs-clinton
and this:
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016president
trueblue2007
(17,217 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The argument on the right was that if we agreed to a nuclear freeze we were locking in our inferiority. The demurrer was always asking the person making that argument if he would rather have the Soviet Union's hand (nuclear arsenal) or ours .
I rather have our hand than the GOP's hand by a substantial but not absolute magnitude. Holding the White House three times in a row is hard!
Skittles
(153,160 posts)you've told us MANY, MANY TIMES
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)QED
still_one
(92,187 posts)bin laden.
On most issues he is definitely progressive, but taking your assertion that Hillary is not viable, you do realize in the current polls Biden trails Hillary by a large margin. I understand he has not declared, and that may change, but your statement that Hillary is not viable at this point in time makes no sense
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He also benefits from being above the political fray and enjoying slightly higher favorables than Hillary...It should be pointed out Hillary had favorable in the high 60s when she was SOS. Once she entered the political fray they went down precipitously.
still_one
(92,187 posts)selection process. I don't think Sanders or O'Malley supporters would shift over to Biden, I am not sure if some Hillary supporters would jump over to Biden
The one advantage that Biden could use is run as a continuation of Most of President Obama's policies
jfern
(5,204 posts)which Hillary voted for. But true, why vote for either when Sanders is actually good on the issues.
still_one
(92,187 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Especially the ones who remember how nasty things got in '08.
Besides, if you like the Obama Era than Biden is the way to continue his legacy.
Biden would keep a lot of Obama's crew on in his own cabinet.
still_one
(92,187 posts)for him. Right now however, his poll numbers are dismal against Hillary in the primaries, and he comes in behind Bernie also. I understand much of that could be due to that he hasn't declared yet, but he has enough name recognition visibility that I would think he would at least come in higher in the polls.
This is not his first run at trying to be president. Joe has tried to run for President two times before, and this would be his third time. One has to question if he has the popularity within the party. This would be his third time at trying to run, and maybe third time is a charm, but I am pretty skeptical.
I know some folks will disagree with me, but I don't see much difference between Hillary and Joe as far as the issues are concerned.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They would always be the ones he would be working for.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)not a whole freight car going back to the 90's.....
And the republicans aren't going to stop with emails and Benghazi...they will go all the way back to both of the Clintons' early days in Arkansas and what effect they could have had on Mrs. Clinton. I don't want us to lose the presidency and the choice of the next Supreme to be appointed.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Fuck him
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #12)
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VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Doubled over..
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I'd support Clinton before I'd support Biden, and that says quite a bit, since I'd have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to the polls for HRC.