Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:04 AM

I really want Mr. Biden to run for President!

Mrs. Clinton is not viable! Am not against a woman president but she is not the one!

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I really want Mr. Biden to run for President! (Original post)	akbacchus_BC	Aug 2015	OP
She seems plenty viable to me.	DemocratSinceBirth	Aug 2015	#1
hillary is certainly viable.	trueblue2007	Aug 2015	#2
It reminds me of the debates over a 'nuclear freeze' in the 80s...	DemocratSinceBirth	Aug 2015	#5
yes, we know you hate her	Skittles	Aug 2015	#3
Anyone who opposes Hillary Clinton's rightful ascent to the presidency is a misogynist	RufusTFirefly	Aug 2015	#4
Just to point out that Biden voted for the IWR, Patriot Act, and was opposed to the raid against	still_one	Aug 2015	#6
Love Joe but I don't see him being to the left of HRC....	DemocratSinceBirth	Aug 2015	#7
I think your analysis is right on. It would definitely create more suspense in the Democratic	still_one	Aug 2015	#8
He did vote against Kyl-Lieberman	jfern	Aug 2015	#9
I think Bernie supporters definitely would not move over to Biden.	still_one	Aug 2015	#10
No, but Obama fans who are now Hillary supporters might....	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2015	#13
I agree that Biden could say he will continue the policies of Obama, and that would be a positive	still_one	Aug 2015	#14
I think Joe would make a good president because he relates to the common folk.....	Spitfire of ATJ	Aug 2015	#18
His baggage would fit in an overnight bag	fadedrose	Aug 2015	#20
Biden voted for the Iraq War	NobodyHere	Aug 2015	#11
Now she is "not viable"?	VanillaRhapsody	Aug 2015	#12
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2015	#16
Again	VanillaRhapsody	Aug 2015	#17
Neither is he.	LWolf	Aug 2015	#15
I actually prefer her to him. If I have to choose.	CharlotteVale	Aug 2015	#19

Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:11 AM

DemocratSinceBirth (95,921 posts)

1. She seems plenty viable to me.

There's this:

and this:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-bush-vs-clinton

and this:

http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016president

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:12 AM

trueblue2007 (13,123 posts)

2. hillary is certainly viable.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:17 AM

DemocratSinceBirth (95,921 posts)

5. It reminds me of the debates over a 'nuclear freeze' in the 80s...

The argument on the right was that if we agreed to a nuclear freeze we were locking in our inferiority. The demurrer was always asking the person making that argument if he would rather have the Soviet Union's hand (nuclear arsenal) or ours .

I rather have our hand than the GOP's hand by a substantial but not absolute magnitude. Holding the White House three times in a row is hard!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:12 AM

Skittles (133,039 posts)

3. yes, we know you hate her

you've told us MANY, MANY TIMES

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:13 AM

RufusTFirefly (8,812 posts)

4. Anyone who opposes Hillary Clinton's rightful ascent to the presidency is a misogynist

QED

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:20 AM

still_one (76,053 posts)

6. Just to point out that Biden voted for the IWR, Patriot Act, and was opposed to the raid against

bin laden.

On most issues he is definitely progressive, but taking your assertion that Hillary is not viable, you do realize in the current polls Biden trails Hillary by a large margin. I understand he has not declared, and that may change, but your statement that Hillary is not viable at this point in time makes no sense

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Response to still_one (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:26 AM

DemocratSinceBirth (95,921 posts)

7. Love Joe but I don't see him being to the left of HRC....

He also benefits from being above the political fray and enjoying slightly higher favorables than Hillary...It should be pointed out Hillary had favorable in the high 60s when she was SOS. Once she entered the political fray they went down precipitously.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:36 AM

still_one (76,053 posts)

8. I think your analysis is right on. It would definitely create more suspense in the Democratic

selection process. I don't think Sanders or O'Malley supporters would shift over to Biden, I am not sure if some Hillary supporters would jump over to Biden

The one advantage that Biden could use is run as a continuation of Most of President Obama's policies

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Response to still_one (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:37 AM

jfern (5,204 posts)

9. He did vote against Kyl-Lieberman

which Hillary voted for. But true, why vote for either when Sanders is actually good on the issues.

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Response to jfern (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:40 AM

still_one (76,053 posts)

10. I think Bernie supporters definitely would not move over to Biden.

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Response to still_one (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:32 AM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

13. No, but Obama fans who are now Hillary supporters might....

Especially the ones who remember how nasty things got in '08.

Besides, if you like the Obama Era than Biden is the way to continue his legacy.

Biden would keep a lot of Obama's crew on in his own cabinet.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:00 AM

still_one (76,053 posts)

14. I agree that Biden could say he will continue the policies of Obama, and that would be a positive

for him. Right now however, his poll numbers are dismal against Hillary in the primaries, and he comes in behind Bernie also. I understand much of that could be due to that he hasn't declared yet, but he has enough name recognition visibility that I would think he would at least come in higher in the polls.

This is not his first run at trying to be president. Joe has tried to run for President two times before, and this would be his third time. One has to question if he has the popularity within the party. This would be his third time at trying to run, and maybe third time is a charm, but I am pretty skeptical.

I know some folks will disagree with me, but I don't see much difference between Hillary and Joe as far as the issues are concerned.

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Response to still_one (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:39 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

18. I think Joe would make a good president because he relates to the common folk.....

They would always be the ones he would be working for.

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Response to still_one (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:50 PM

fadedrose (10,044 posts)

20. His baggage would fit in an overnight bag

not a whole freight car going back to the 90's.....

And the republicans aren't going to stop with emails and Benghazi...they will go all the way back to both of the Clintons' early days in Arkansas and what effect they could have had on Mrs. Clinton. I don't want us to lose the presidency and the choice of the next Supreme to be appointed.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:12 AM

NobodyHere (2,810 posts)