2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo here is a question for many of you
I was a Vietnam protester, protested the Iraq war, took part
in the OWS movement and now work for Bernie.
In all those protests there were always infiltrators,
provocateurs, and secret police agitators.
How do any of us know, who is a honest protester,
or any of the other?
I have become an extreme sceptic about so-called
protesters, if they are not willing to listen as much
as they require it from others. Convince me that
I am wrong in my skepticism.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Activities in open meetings with a lot of witnesses. In short they are too stupid to actually accomplish any real activity.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And now we know that those who 'dared to question' turned out to be right.
Same thing with OWS, right from the beginning occupiers noticed people who didn't fit in. I remember one incident when a few occupiers noticed two guys getting out of a van. They were tweeting what they were seeing. They followed the two guys who ended up going into a Federal Bldg, they were able to let themselves in. Lol, sometimes they're not too smart.
Same thing with this whole mess, they were not very smart.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)for the purposes of TPTB have been much better trained by now
than they used to be.
i know this may sound paranoid, but if I did not hear
Bernie for years and years, I would not support him now.
Dirty tricks are not only part of the GOP, but also of
a lot of other groups, who hide in the shadows.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Because the nation didn't hear about him for years and years before he got the nomination and won the election. Please don't take that as me being confrontational; I am just using that to illustrate a point.
I'm not putting too much concern into the fact that many people are just becoming familiar with Bernie Sanders. What I put faith in is that when people *DO* hear about Bernie Sanders and his message, they almost invariably agree with him.
You don't get crowds of 15K, 28K, 27K, etc. with practically no coverage by the MSM if you aren't doing something right and energizing people.
I'm glad you support him now. I support him, too, and honestly, I didn't know too much about him other than what I have learned from DU over the years before he decided to run. What I have learned since then only solidified my opinion that he is the person we need to have as President.
I hope that the vast majority of Americans come to that conclusion, too, and I think ultimately, he will be our President.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The grandstanders wanted the personal status of being a leader (often self appointed) without being that committed to the cause.
I share your skepticism. In Seattle it appears, the disruptors are using BLM as a front to push another agenda.
Sad but true.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...on that. They look at their chances, evaluate how many voters they can confuse, plus how many votes they can steal (they're already on that) and know they just might pull-up a win. We're not dealing with honorable people here. They know how to cheat in the same way an experienced magician can cheat if he/she wants to. They know the plan and the score.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)In my experience, anyone who doesn't want to actually work are verbally ignored. But do pay attention to their actions and when they are seen making a mistake, nail them. They will expose themselves eventually.
We are blessed in that Bernie is so strong and is not a hard sell. The hard part is getting people to pay attention, and then they're hooked. So, our work is just getting people to tune in. Easy and fun.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)They might be plants, they might be genuinely angry, but if they can't ever focus on accomplishing things, they're a disaster waiting to happen.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)That means Seattle BLM are not infiltrators.
(This fact should be "moderated" by the fact that BLM is a loosely-coupled group that doesn't really have formal leadership)
olddots
(10,237 posts)Its an easy way to find out who your freinds are .