No matter who you vote for, Won't you please join Bernie's revolution?

[hootinholler]

Seriously, I think I've had an epiphany.

Bernie is building an amazing grass roots organization. Without regard to what happens in the primary we will represent a large nationwide progressive voting bloc.

Obviously I support Bernie and I think he will gain the white house, but the Bernie I've come to know would not let a little thing like losing a primary election to dismantle what is being built.

I think it actually could be as formidable as the evangelicals were in the 80's, and that we can actually change what we as a country are all about. If we allow it to fall apart, there is no hope of solving the problems we face.

No matter what happens or who you vote for, we need to use this opportunity to create the structure that will ensure the movement's survival so we can work towards our goals of a better world for our children.

[arcane1]

1. There will be no significant change unless we all get of our asses and become engaged and involved.

Great post

[Beartracks]

50. ... and working hand-in-hand. n/t

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

51. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

Been fighting for this for over 55 years now.

[J_J_]

2. I'm there

It's already happening and the corrupt corporate media can't stop it!

Great post!

[Left coast liberal]

3. Love this! :-)

[libdem4life]

4. Onward to the unsanctioned debates !

[elleng]

11. Promoted first by Martin O'Malley!

Martin O’Malley’s campaign has reached out privately to Bernie Sanders about arranging debates outside the six contests allowed by the Democratic National Committee, risking the ire of the Democratic party in a bid to gain traction for his candidacy.

Dave Hamrick, the manager of O’Malley’s campaign, called Sanders’ campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, an O’Malley spokeswoman confirmed. The top managers for the two Democratic candidates discussed the DNC’s authority to determine the number of debates.

The DNC has sanctioned six debates before the Iowa caucus next year, the same number as in previous election cycles, but mandated that the candidates do not participate in any outside debates.

O’Malley and Sanders have both protested the limited number of debates this cycle.

http://time.com/4001669/martin-omalley-bernie-sanders-debates/


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12812434

[libdem4life]

16. Indeed...he does have the most to gain, Bernie too, but certainly not Hillary

I can see how it could work either way at this point. If Hillary "stays above it all" and lets them debate each other, it might be to her advantage as the "frontrunner". I can't see her, under any circumstances, go along with it.

[elleng]

19. If she 'lets' them debate 'eachother,'

Governor O'Malley wins (Bernie does well too,) and imo hrc loses 'frontrunner' status as the electorate recognizes the huge assets of the Governor and good stuff of the Senator whom they already 'know' pretty well, and see they easily replace her/address all of her negatives. (SORRY for such a sentence!)

[libdem4life]

20. Meaning not going along with it...she has a lot to lose...and I agree with

you about the possible outcome. (Politics makes for long sentences, sometimes....LOL)

[artislife]

27. Great, O'Malley has moxy! nt

[elleng]

28. Yes he has.

Let's see if it gets him anywhere.

[sabrina 1]

44. I hope that Sanders and O'Malley and Chafee do have debates regardless of the DNC's 'rule'

If the DNC then bars then from their debates, it won't hurt either of them, it will only hurt Hillary.

[PATRICK]

45. Vuilnerability of the "Sacrosanct"

sanctioned big party debates. Since the League of Women Voters left them they have ceased to be legitimate in format. They only boast power: media show, candidate control, monopoly. So when they dial back MORE legitimacy to benefit any of their power they risk losing popular support and effect.

Why not have candidates conduct more legitimate debates outside the circus? Trump has pretty much dragged the MSM media unfairness through the dirt even if it is only FOX a now totally undisguised GOP machine. There are other strong venues and critical ones.

Simply restoring the LWV and more substantive debates minus the quips, put downs sound bites and two word flags would help bury the nauseating pablum, posturing and superficiality of the enshrined party controlled rituals. Now, when there are many CRITICAL issues that can barely surface the game?

In fact, there should be outside debates. Let's do something first for a change before the GOP crazies co-opt a natural good idea.

[elleng]

46. Right Right Right.

Seems like so long ago, even BEFORE we questioned accuracy of our vote COUNTS! and people were ALLOWED to vote!

[seabeyond]

5. this is an interesting perspective. and a little thought, if sanders doesnt get nominee

then i can easily see sanders organizing and taking up a movement. and i think he really really likes doing crowds. he might really excel and might be like a calling for him. just playing in thought, off what you said.

interesting.

[cyberswede]

22. +1

Though I'm going to caucus for Sanders, I expect Hillary to be our nominee.

It would be great if Sanders could keep his ideas in the forefront & build a movement beyond the primaries.

[GitRDun]

6. cali won't let me in..

perhaps if i hired cherokee progressive as my counsel for the preliminary hearing...

[Fearless]

7. You mean after he wins he won't disband the organization and pretend it didn't matter?

Like someone I seem to remember...

[hootinholler]

9. Not quite,

I mean that even if he doesn't win he won't disband the coalition.

I feel your pain on the opportunities lost. I blame Rahm.

[Fearless]

10. I blame him for quite a bit.

That notwithstanding.

[kenfrequed]

32. Yup

President Obama had great intentions and ran a pretty progressive campaign, but Rahm sort of dampened or destroyed a lot of the energy that went into getting the president elected.

[Juicy_Bellows]

8. Kick. Nt.

[WillyT]

12. You Had Me At...

"... but the Bernie I've come to know would not let a little thing like losing a primary election to dismantle what is being built."

& Rec !!!

[JoeOtterbein]

13. No need to...

....President Sanders will lead and America will follow. In one way he reminds me of Reagan, in that the young people love him the way they might love their grandad. A sure sign of of electoral success, and much earlier than Reagan as evidenced by his HUGE crowds this summer!

[RichVRichV]

48. I look at Bernie as our anti-Reagan.

He's drawing in Republicans to a progressive cause like Reagan drew in Democrats to a conservative cause. And Bernie is doing it by advocating to return the US to the way it was before trickle down economics introduced by Reagan.

This country is finally starting to wake up and realize they've been duped for the past 3+ decades.

[Go Vols]

52. +1

[navarth]

14. no danger of Bernie stopping.

or the rest of us either.

[Billsmile]

15. Bernie Has Introduced Legislation....

Every problem Sanders tackles includes a proposed solution: legislation introduced in the Senate to either deal with and/or resolve the problem.

The blueprint for turning the country around is there waiting for society to catch up.

[cyberswede]

24. Yep - maybe now people will get it & influence their congress people to support such legislation. nt

[libdem4life]

17. He has his own "bully pulpit" as a Senator introducing bills. He's working for

his current constituents daily in the Senate. It does give him a boost as he gets press for introducing bills in Congress and can refer to what he's actually doing, not just talking about.

[NuclearDem]

18. Yeah, because the revolution has been nothing but welcoming this last month.

[hootinholler]

29. Huh?

What do you mean?

[frylock]

34. Sanders supporters were mean and nasty by taking exception to being called..

delusional liberal white supremacists that live in a fantasy world.

[hootinholler]

37. Well we can't all be sensible woodchucks

Now can we.

[frylock]

38. I'm trying to be Very Serious here!

[NuclearDem]

41. No, certain Sanders supporters responded to someone confronting them with a real issue

about the dominance of white progressives in the progressive movement and the lack of attention given to AA issues by calling the protestors--and some AA Hillary supporters--brain damaged, immature fascist brownshirts, throwing the entirety of the BLM movement under the bus, and just to really drive the message home, whining about "apologizing for being white."

Whereas the person they claim to support responded by immediately adding a new plank to their platform and hiring an AA press secretary to address the community's needs.

[Beartracks]

53. Fortunately, it's the candidate you vote for, and not the supporters.

I'll point out that there are also certain DUers who claim that the "immediate" addition of an AA plank in Sanders' platform was "too slow" and proves that he's still not responsive to AA issues.

Personally, I'd like all the pot-shots, trolling, and in-fighting at DU to stop, for people to put away their wounded pride and chipped shoulders, and start remembering why we're involved here at all -- we've got a country to save.

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[passiveporcupine]

56. thank you

[840high]

21. Rec with great pleasure.

[killbotfactory]

23. I sincerely hope he does this. nt

[LovingA2andMI]

25. K/R!!!!

(And Voting for Bernie Here..BTW!!!)

[Tommy2Tone]

26. Nice try..

[Spitfire of ATJ]

30. But,...But,....But.....He's an "I"!!!!

(Sorry, dealing with PMs this morning.)

[bunnies]

31. Count me in.

[floriduck]

33. As long as we don't

Vote against our own interests, we will distinguish ourselves from Tea Partiers, Evangelicals and the family values crowds.

[Doctor_J]

35. I'm in, but the Hillarians don't seem that interested in a revolution

They want to continue with for-profit healthcare, phase-out of public education, TPP, XL, more drilling, and appeasement of the loony Republican congress.

[shenmue]

39. In what world?

[murielm99]

42. Do you have links to prove any of these fantastic

assertions about so-called "Hillarians?"

[brooklynite]

36. Except that - so far - he's not...

...building "an amazing grass roots network". He has a lot of professed supporters who will come to a rally. I'll wait to see if he can convince them, in an organized way, to do something important (vote, for example).

[Dont call me Shirley]

40. Bernie Revolution...

[passiveporcupine]

43. can there be one fucking positive thread in this group

that doesn't turn into a battle between Hillary and Bernie supporters? PLEASE!

One thing for sure I've seen is how easy it is to divide this country into splinters that cannot stand together to do any damn thing. Doesn't take any effort at all.

How about people read the message of this OP instead of dragging around their gunnysacks of hate and anger?

[hootinholler]

54. Actually I thought this was pretty mellow

Relative to other responses I've gotten from camp weathervane.

I'm not aware of any Hillary supporters who have rec'd this notion.

[passiveporcupine]

55. It was mellow compared to many

But there was absolutely nothing in your OP to bring out the negative posts. And of course it had to happen anyway. Because hate and winning just seems to be more important that working together, for so many people.

BTW, I hope Bernie is sitting in the oval office in 2017, but if not, I'm totally with you on this. It doesn't matter who wins in the long run (I mean it matters, but it won't be an end of the world event if our guy doesn't win)...what matters is that the people become involved and keep this movement going. Even if the GOP were to win. We do have a voice...a very powerful voice, when we decide to use it.

[ancianita]

47. Glad you're on board. This may be a hard won experience and a helluva political ride!

[tblue]

49. Amen and this is brilliant!