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DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:48 PM Aug 2015

colin powel used personal e-mail account

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell says he doesn’t have any emails to turn over to the State Department.

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Appearing on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday, Powell responded to revelations that he used a personal email account, rather than a government one, when he was in charge of the State Department. Questions about his email use arose last week when it was disclosed that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a personal email account during her tenure.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email-state-department-115870.html#ixzz3jOl7SV5Z

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colin powel used personal e-mail account (Original Post) DesertFlower Aug 2015 OP
Yea butt .. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #1
not even a little ok. And the "he/she did it too" defense is just pathetix cali Aug 2015 #4
Clearly it was ok. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #8
If he were running for president it wouldn't be ok yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #51
Was it hosted on a personal server in his private home? HappyPlace Aug 2015 #2
Really? BooScout Aug 2015 #10
and it was and still is a big issue nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #26
And that little fact is not a good example as God only knows what they jwirr Aug 2015 #30
Were they hosted on personal servers in their private homes? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #36
It doesn't matter because George Bush white house staffers did it too! HappyPlace Aug 2015 #56
Tell you what... some of the worst whoopin's I got as a child were when I pointed at my Sister cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #57
I'm no happier with Powell placing government communications in "The Cloud" HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #50
Definitely not good, either one. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #52
No it doesn't uponit7771 Aug 2015 #55
When he runs for president, I'm sure it will be brought up tularetom Aug 2015 #3
Who cares? HassleCat Aug 2015 #5
There is a difference between a private account and a private server n/t retrowire Aug 2015 #6
Condi Rice had a private server.... BooScout Aug 2015 #12
I've no opinion on Condoleeza. n/t retrowire Aug 2015 #13
Then don't vote for her. frylock Aug 2015 #17
...? Ok? n/t retrowire Aug 2015 #23
You sure about that? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #38
Private servers are more secure. leftofcool Aug 2015 #20
Her e-mails on Private Server were discovered by Hackers.. KoKo Aug 2015 #31
soooo BENGHAZI is a big deal then? BooScout Aug 2015 #34
No...Sid Blumenthal's Hacked E-Mail correspondence was a Big Deal KoKo Aug 2015 #42
"no way it can be hacked" cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #41
private accounts are stored on servers outside of govt control GitRDun Aug 2015 #27
tell that to wiki leaks BooScout Aug 2015 #39
Huh? GitRDun Aug 2015 #40
No. leftofcool Aug 2015 #47
ugh, not what I said GitRDun Aug 2015 #48
So did Jeb Bush, Jindal, Perry, and a lot of other politicians for personal use. Doesn't make it still_one Aug 2015 #7
What makes it wrong ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #11
+ one gadzillion leftofcool Aug 2015 #21
make that +one gadzillion times two ericson00 Aug 2015 #22
How many times can I rec this? mcar Aug 2015 #24
You don't know if info was lost, you don't know if info was leaked nor do you know that Snowden Purveyor Aug 2015 #29
I have two personal E-Mail Accounts. But, I don't have a server in my home KoKo Aug 2015 #33
None of those three had access to anything nearly as classified as Clinton did Reter Aug 2015 #35
So he claims he has no clue where they are. Thor_MN Aug 2015 #9
Colin Powell was also a member of the most corrupt administration in history Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #14
Tell it to the FBI ibegurpard Aug 2015 #15
It's settled. He won't get my vote for president. frylock Aug 2015 #16
Did he delete half of the server without any oversight? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #18
He's not running for president. Autumn Aug 2015 #19
So it's OK as long as you kacekwl Aug 2015 #25
He's a republican and what he does is irrelevant to me in terms of my vote. Autumn Aug 2015 #28
Having also shown horrible judgment wrt that and the Iraq War in the same way as Hillary at least Bonobo Aug 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2015 #37
It appears that it's very easy to sell the delrem Aug 2015 #44
i'm not trying to defend her. i'm DesertFlower Aug 2015 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2015 #46
I too take my lead from Republicans. delrem Aug 2015 #43
Are you trying to argue it is best practice for officials to act as their own information gatekeeper TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #49
i wasn't trying to argue anything. i was just DesertFlower Aug 2015 #53
If you don't see how the push for zero oversight of officials while tolerating and even TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #58
gopropaganda machine cares nothing about him. It's Hillary they want to bring down with EGhazi! Cha Aug 2015 #54
Well . . . we know how poor Colin Powell's judgement was so maybe . . . Vinca Aug 2015 #59

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
8. Clearly it was ok.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:02 PM
Aug 2015

No info was leaked by Powell and no one cares.

No info was leaked by Clinton, and it a BFD.

It's another scandal in which nothing actually happened.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
10. Really?
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:03 PM
Aug 2015

Nearly 90 White House staffers in the Bush administration used private emails supplied by the RNC....of course the press seldom mentions that little fact these days.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
30. And that little fact is not a good example as God only knows what they
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:57 PM
Aug 2015

did with their private email accounts. No one has even looked into it have they?

The press is not going to attack their handlers.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
36. Were they hosted on personal servers in their private homes?
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:56 PM
Aug 2015

Or did you simply choose to ignore that question?

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
56. It doesn't matter because George Bush white house staffers did it too!
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:37 PM
Aug 2015

So there. They're just like little secretaries of state and if they did it why are we picking on Hillary, huh?

I like this graphic by the way, it's a bit of fun in the candidate.



 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
57. Tell you what... some of the worst whoopin's I got as a child were when I pointed at my Sister
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:48 PM
Aug 2015

and said "She did it too!".

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
50. I'm no happier with Powell placing government communications in "The Cloud"
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:11 AM
Aug 2015

I can't speak for others, but I'm not sure having a personal server in a garage or upstairs bathroom would be worse than putting government communications onto borrowed server capacity in an unknown country.

Might any special problems exist if that cloud space was in a GRU server farm in Moscow, or Pyongyang?




 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
52. Definitely not good, either one.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:00 PM
Aug 2015

The difference is that having your own server on your own private property offers an opportunity to completely destroy it, not something that can be done in the cloud.

From a public's right to know perspective, the cloud is preferred.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
3. When he runs for president, I'm sure it will be brought up
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:54 PM
Aug 2015

Possibly he will have a better story than Hillary.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
12. Condi Rice had a private server....
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:05 PM
Aug 2015

...of course she says she rarely used it. We all trust her now don't we.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
20. Private servers are more secure.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:38 PM
Aug 2015

Note that Hillary's emails did not go out to wikileaks. My husband uses a private server for some government business through his company and there is no way it can be hacked. Mine on the other hand is not private and hackers try to get to me on a weekly basis.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
31. Her e-mails on Private Server were discovered by Hackers..
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:11 PM
Aug 2015

A Hacker named "Guccifer" released e-mails discussing Libya written by Sid Blumenthal to Hillary a couple of years ago. The Bengazi Committee investigated and that's how the Private Server was discovered.

The e-mails were printed in News Media at the time. It was a big deal.. So, if her server was hacked by one hacker then it was vulnerable to other hackers. That's why the E-Mail issue hasn't died.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
42. No...Sid Blumenthal's Hacked E-Mail correspondence was a Big Deal
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:18 PM
Aug 2015

Since Obama had banned Hillary from allowing Sid to serve in the State Department because of his past behavior.

For those of us who followed Sid through his adventures years before...it WAS a big deal and that Hillary had a Private Server in her home Chappaqua for her E-Mail correspondence which Sid communicated with her on. The hacking was what led to Hillary's Private Server being discovered.

pffft on Benghazi. I was always more concerned that Libya was invaded on her watch. If Libya hadn't been invaded there wouldn't have been a Benghazi but the Repub/NeoCon War Machine wanted it. So...since Libya is a mess they attack Hillary blaming Benghazi on her to cover their own mistakes in promoting policies that led to the invasion.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
27. private accounts are stored on servers outside of govt control
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:33 PM
Aug 2015

gmail, yahoo, all have servers that store our emails.

IMO private email accounts are less secure.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
48. ugh, not what I said
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 05:44 AM
Aug 2015

I said using private account (gmail, yahoo) is less secure because servers re NOT private.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
7. So did Jeb Bush, Jindal, Perry, and a lot of other politicians for personal use. Doesn't make it
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:59 PM
Aug 2015

right, which is why in 2014 and 2015 they have setup specific policies

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
11. What makes it wrong ...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:04 PM
Aug 2015

... is Hillary did it.

No info lost. None leaked. Nothing happened.

But Hillary "did it" so it must be bad.

Shame Snowden didn't get it all and leak it.

Folks would want a parade in his honor.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
29. You don't know if info was lost, you don't know if info was leaked nor do you know that Snowden
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:52 PM
Aug 2015

didn't in fact 'get it all'.

IF it was captured by Snowden/foreign intel, why would they hurry to release it when it could most certainly come in handy should she, in the unlikely event, become POTUS.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
33. I have two personal E-Mail Accounts. But, I don't have a server in my home
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:20 PM
Aug 2015

run by a Private Company. And, I'm not the SOS who has no business doing Personal State Department Business (as a Government Employee) stored on a server in her home in Chappaqua NY and run by a Private Company that (as far as we know) was not cleared for security by the Government that pays her.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
35. None of those three had access to anything nearly as classified as Clinton did
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:54 PM
Aug 2015

SoS's know all the juicy things that governors don't.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
9. So he claims he has no clue where they are.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:02 PM
Aug 2015

He doesn't know if his account was secure or not and making the same claim, that there was no secure info in the emails, if he had any fucking clue where they were. Given his WMD puppet show performance, I'm not surprised.

Seems if things were not biased, we should spend a couple million dollars finding out what he was doing.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
14. Colin Powell was also a member of the most corrupt administration in history
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:23 PM
Aug 2015

I think we may want to hold people to a bit higher standard than what we saw from the Bush Administration.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
18. Did he delete half of the server without any oversight?
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:31 PM
Aug 2015

If not, then these things are not really comparable....are they?


Autumn

(45,076 posts)
28. He's a republican and what he does is irrelevant to me in terms of my vote.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:36 PM
Aug 2015

Hillary is running for the nomination in the Democratic party what she does matters to me.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
32. Having also shown horrible judgment wrt that and the Iraq War in the same way as Hillary at least
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:15 PM
Aug 2015

he has the good sense to know his political boat has way too many holes in it.

The sinking HSS Hillary will take down Dem hopes for 4 or 8 years I am afraid.

Response to DesertFlower (Original post)

delrem

(9,688 posts)
44. It appears that it's very easy to sell the
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:38 PM
Aug 2015

idea that if Republicans do it, then it's justified, to a fairly large and homogeneous faction on DU.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
45. i'm not trying to defend her. i'm
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:40 PM
Aug 2015

supporting bernie. just trying to be fair. didn't realize till tonight that hillary had the e-mail server in her home. i think she has some explaining to do.

i don't want a republican to be president. if hillary is the nominee she'll get my vote.

Response to DesertFlower (Reply #45)

delrem

(9,688 posts)
43. I too take my lead from Republicans.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:33 PM
Aug 2015

Esp. honest brokers like condoleezza rice "But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." and Colin Powell, "Saddam Hussein could have produced 25,000 liters (of anthrax)".
So naturally I also take my lead from Hillary Clinton "We came. We saw. He died. (hahaha)".

Because these are all so similar, they are true leaders, the creme de la creme.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
49. Are you trying to argue it is best practice for officials to act as their own information gatekeeper
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 05:45 AM
Aug 2015

Where the fuck was all the opposition to transparency and oversight for officials when we not that long ago tightened up all these shifty ass practices?

Is Colin Powell supposed to be some model of good governance and accountability to the public?

What type or banana republic are we aspiring to here?

I can't help it is also the same friends and fans of the dragnet surveillance state for us but literally demanding lack of accountability and oversight for supposed to be public servants either.

Sorry, I oppose your anti democratic paradigm. Why the fuck would folks demand to be subjects? That is what such an arrangement works out to mean.
To not even be able to admit that maybe this wasn't the best idea ever is illustrative of a car with no breaks, the wagons are on full auto circle) and drivers nor passengers have much in the way of give a damn about the right thing.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
53. i wasn't trying to argue anything. i was just
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 07:35 PM
Aug 2015

trying to be fair to hillary.

how dare you say i'm anti democratic. i've been a democrat my entire life. i'm 74 years old.

there's no reason to get nasty and use foul language.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
58. If you don't see how the push for zero oversight of officials while tolerating and even
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:54 AM
Aug 2015

encouraging and supporting dragnet surveillance doesn't short circuit any real self governance.

Vinca

(50,270 posts)
59. Well . . . we know how poor Colin Powell's judgement was so maybe . . .
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:18 PM
Aug 2015

it's not in Hillary's best interest to say "but he did it, too."

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