2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCrooks & Liars and CNN: Romney's assets are NOT in a blind trust after all.
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/mitt-romneys-ethics-problem-blind-trust-ediWell, this is interesting news. It seems that Mittens hasn't really got his investments in a blind trust. What he has is about $250 million in trust accounts which are managed by his personal lawyer, and which continue to receive payments from Bain Capital which are classified as "carried interest."
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A blind trust is not a blind trust when there is direct or indirect control over investment decisions. While Romney has nominally placed his investments in a trust which is managed by someone else, the person he has chosen to manage those investments is his close associate and personal attorney. That is not a blind trust under federal law. It is a trust managed by a close personal friend and advisor.
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Under federal law, Mitt Romney has two options with regard to his assets. He can either create a blind trust which actually creates a firewall between Romney and his money by putting all of his assets under the management of a completely unrelated third party with no conflict of interest or relationship with Romney, or he can liquidate all of his investments and place them in neutral investments such as Treasury notes.
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So here's what we're being asked to believe. First, Romney's relationship with Bain ended in 1999 and there was no arrangement for any further consulting or other services with them. Second, Romney's retirement agreement expired in 2009 and with it, all preferred tax treatment on Bain Capital distributions, since Romney would ostensibly have provided no services to Bain to justify giving him a "piece of carry", which is how it's referred to. Third, suddenly two investments pop up out of nowhere with Bain which do not cause any prior year's tax returns to be amended or disclosures changed, but payments from them represent some sort of adjustment for prior services which are as yet undisclosed.
Isn't the simpler explanation that Romney still has an active, vibrant ongoing relationship with Bain Capital, and that his current investments are not being held in a trust with any sort of firewall standing between Romney and investment decisions for those trusts? And if that is the explanation, then we also have to understand that Mitt Romney has many, many conflicts of interest, that he should be accountable for Bain Capital's vulture capitalism activities, and most importantly, Mitt Romney wouldn't know the truth if it stood in front of him with a big sign painted on its chest.
http://economy.money.cnn.com/2012/07/10/romney-on-investments-nothing-hidden-there/
A not-so-blind trust
When asked about his finances, Romney often claims a certain level of ignorance about his holdings, saying that since 2003, his assets have been held in a "blind trust."
Public officials often place their assets in a trust in order to avoid conflicts of interest. And indeed, Romney created his blind trust before becoming the governor of Massachusetts.
But now, for a few different reasons, the trust is hardly blind.
For example, the trustee who manages the portfolio, Bradford Malt, is a friend of the candidate. A close personal relationship with the trustee, according to federal ethics rules, is most definitely out-of-bounds.
And the contents of the blind trust have been released via federal disclosure forms, which have been the subject of extensive media reports.
Romney has already pledged to dissolve his current blind trust if elected president. He will create a new one that complies with Office of Government Ethics rules, his campaign has said.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)information?
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Lugnut
(9,791 posts)So what else is new?
PDJane
(10,103 posts)I really hope that they don't manage to cheat or buy the way to power for this man. He'll be worse than Bush.
Rosanna Lopez
(308 posts)Millions of Americans vote Republican. Until they stop doing so, they have only themselves to blame when Republicans steal elections.
If 45-50% of the country didn't vote Republican, they wouldn't be in a position to steal elections.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)They admired the fact that they "knew how to play the game' and could "get away with things."
I'm not making this up.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)phenomena--Republicans are looking for candidates with no ethics, while they appeal to their constituency's tendency to follow someone who is 'smart enough to game the system' You are so right--they are proud to be corrupt, and wear it like a badge.
How else would a coke addicted frat boy make it into the WH?
Beartracks
(12,809 posts)... a majority of them felt it was necessary to lie and bend the rules in order to be successful.
Can't remember where that was; probably here on DU somewhere.
So, yeah, being a liar and cheat won't be a liability for Romney among the 1% at all. Most probably won't acknowledge it, or even notice it, because it's simply so "normal" at that level.
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Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)I read the same article on Yahoo Finance that was posted on DU.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-wall-st-execs-says-050334637.html
Not only is the 25% number alarming but we have to consider there were probably many who shared that view but didn't respond that way to the survey. And then there is the question of to what extent the polling sample is representative. Did they over poll the shysters or was their polling pool more akin to the altar boys?
Beartracks
(12,809 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)will be to find out if Obama has any similar accounts. If they fail there, then it's on to finding any rich D of any stripe who has a situation similar to Romney's.
The meme of false equivalency must be preserved at all costs! It's the best way to neuter an argument being leveled against a conservative.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)-- they must be still researching Dems w/overseas bank accounts!
bleever
(20,616 posts)As referred to here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=53853
SEC docs when he was supposedly post-Bain.
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)They're certainly all burned down by now
MADem
(135,425 posts)Rosanna Lopez
(308 posts)"The blind trust is an age-old ruse, if you will, which is to say, you can always tell the blind trust what it can and can not do. You give a blind trust rules."
--Mitt Romney (1994)
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)I hope the MSM keeps hammering on this.
JBoy
(8,021 posts)Rosanna Lopez
(308 posts)Looks like the clip I posted of Romney in 94 talking about the blind trust, has been removed.
I hope someone on the Obama campaign has a copy.
lastone
(588 posts)Could be a coincidence - but follow the link below and what do you get, nada - a scrub job potentially?
[link:http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g_M_J5bZQ2pVLElE3p9KBmmAKftg?docId=64ee4887740449498082b3b2715e8214|
The article requested is no longer available.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)between a trust and a blind trust, and that his lie will be quickly parsed andd debated to death (literally to death) and he`ll get away with it. He`s probably right about this particular lie, but there`s no getting around the dressage horses and the car elevators. That`s where the real damage lies. Nobody can force him to release the tax returns, it`s not a prerequisite to run for President no matter whether or not a precedent has been set there.
DFW
(54,369 posts)EVERY U.S. citizen with a foreign bank account has to file a declaration for each account with the maximum balance it had in it over the past calendar year. In fact, they have to file a report even if it wasn't even their own account. If you had signature authority over a bank account in a foreign country, you have to file and declare that, too.
Therefore, Romney had to sign a declaration for each foreign account he owns. Even if he has them under another name, he has to file if he has signature authority over any such account.
If Romney wants the country to believe he signs declarations as important as this without even looking at what they are, what would he do as president? Sign a declaration of war against Iran without looking at it because some Cheney-clone told him to?
No wonder then need a billion dollars to sell this guy. It's like trying to sell e-coli bacteria to a hamburger stand.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Mitt Romney turned signature authority on his Bermuda holdings over to Ann Romney one day before being sworn in as Governor of Massachuttes. (Can you even do that on something held in a blind trust?)
marias23
(379 posts)We are now getting a glimpse of how American aristocracy gets richer. The problem is that so many poor schnooks think that one day they may have $250 million and they want the same opportunity to take advantage of their friends and neighbors too.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)husbands taxes and business practices and the media isn't demanding the same of Mittens!?
madashelltoo
(1,698 posts)Robme really thought he would prance his aristocratic ass into the presidential arena and be untouchable. Boy, is he in for a rude awakening. Couldn't happen to a more deserving (please fill in your choice of vulgar description).
grantcart
(53,061 posts)kick him in the shins
kick him in the balls
just keep kicking this thread alll night long.
Brewinblue
(392 posts)I am quite certain he is guilty of numerous SEC and Internal Revenue Code violations, plus who knows what else. However, he will never reveal his finances for just that reason, so he will get the benefit of the doubt from the MSM. But Ron Paul will be sure to make hay of this at the convention, which promises to be deliciously contentious.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)how in the hell can we trust him with our nation's financial purse strings?
just1voice
(1,362 posts)to have faith in him and every other repuke.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)His lips are moving. Old joke but even that doesn't even begin to describe what a pathological liar he is. If elected he will blah blah blah... Ethics only matter if he is elected? Why doesn't he just follow his money out of the country and spare us his presence.
Rosanna Lopez
(308 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)mucifer
(23,539 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)That SOB is the worst Presidential candidate that ever came over the pike. He puts people like Nixon and G W Bush to shame. Other than losing the race, I hope he pays a heavy price for lying to the American people.
Javaman
(62,521 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Sorry, couldn't resist.