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HappyPlace

(568 posts)
3. "Hillary Fatigue" America haz it.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:15 PM
Aug 2015

The problem we are witnessing, I'm not sure if it's been suggested yet, could be called "Hillary Fatigue".

What gave her such high numbers originally, name recognition and familiarity, are turning against her.

Contrastingly, Sanders is a fresh face, with a fresh approach and as more see him more love him.

All this despite the MSM refusal to give him airtime.

Hillary's "strength" has become her weakness.

People have Hillary Fatigue.

Bernie has a cure...

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
15. NH is atypical
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:58 PM
Aug 2015

As is SC where Hillary will win by at least 2 to 1. Wouldn't read too much into either one.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
16. I don't think it's Hillary fatigue so much as status quo fatigue
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:01 PM
Aug 2015

If she ran an honest left platform, I think she'd be a shoe in. There are 3 problems with that:

1. She and her husband are now adopted Bush Family. There is DEFINITELY Bush fatigue after 35 years of it.
2. She's obviously not a lefty, nor does she like us
3. If she did run as a lefty, we couldn't believe her if she did. She's got a bad record for honesty, and Obama already pulled that one in 2008.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. It'd be interesting to know what the internal polls done by the H> campaign show
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:03 PM
Aug 2015

They are likely much more interested in things like people's reactions to Sanders positions.

If people's reactions to Trump's message is any indication, "taking it to Wall St" (aka H>'s donors) is polling very well this year.

That's got to be a bit uncomfortable.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
5. Thus far, her campaign seems to rely on the old standbys: kids, women, immigrants, etc.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:07 PM
Aug 2015

Standard stuff.

She's got the finger pointing and hand waving thing down pat.

And I always count the times she uses the work "I" in her stumps, I did this and I did that...

It's tiring, and I think that increasingly people are turned off by it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. You forgot the head-bobble...if you want to talk body-language that's a must
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:13 PM
Aug 2015

Her campaigns financial disclosures suggest big bucks spent on internal polling.

There isn't any reason to assume that polling always moves immediately to public talking points.

But, Clinton's body language has many 'tells' when she's pitching a line she has practiced...sudden big eyes, high eye-brows, cocky head bobble and the good old wave of the lecturing finger.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
7. All true.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:19 PM
Aug 2015

There are also certain inflections of voice (most politicians have these traits) that seem to be turned on or off but just don't come off as sincere, to me.

Is there such a thing as too much practice? I think so.

And I think America longs for authenticity.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. IMO, she doesn't have great command of subtlety, she might be very authentic
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:28 PM
Aug 2015

but her often exaggerated expressions come across something akin to over-acting. Seems to me that often happens when she plays with and then sets the hook on an otherwise good "gotcha" line.




 

arlington.mass

(41 posts)
10. Exactly - Authenticity
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:34 PM
Aug 2015

Hillary actually rails against Wall Street while they are financing her operation

She trumpets support of gay marriage when we know she voted against it

She claims to support minorities when we know her and Bill's policies resulted in millions of young black men in prison, as she rakes in money from for-profit prisons

She speaks as if she is against incessant war though she supported it with her votes

Too many times her public policy positions are at odds with her actions

Bernie says what he means and has the track record to prove it, that's what we crave

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
11. Anyone at this level who doesn't practice is a loser. Bernie practices, all of the good ones do.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:37 PM
Aug 2015

Authenticity doesn't come from how well you deliver your message. But if you screw up the delivery you may never get the chance to do anything else. Damn right they practice. But people sometimes forget what they are practicing for. The practice turns into the goal, they get out of balance.

Authenticity comes from the fact that Bernie has been practicing and giving this speech for his entire career.

The others are relatively new to being on the side of the people.

You can't practice that.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
17. I meant that...
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:15 PM
Aug 2015

In one graph Bernie is dark blue, in the other Hillary is dark blue... Why did they do that?

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