2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy I want Hillary Rodham Clinton to be President
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I have supported Hillary Clinton ever since she first appeared on the national stage several decades ago. As a woman growing up in the 60s and 70s I found in her someone I could look up to.
Many younger Americans don't often understand how she shook up the status quo when her husband entered the White House and she was not content to chose new china plates and give tours of the Rose Garden. Here was a First Lady who could actually make a difference rather than just be a hostess.
She came from a middle class background. She went to top schools by virtue of her hard work, study and determination. She was not born with a silver spoon in her mouth and everything she achieved, she worked damned hard for. She became Senior Class President of Wellesley, becoming the first student ever to give a Commencement speech and graduated from Yale Law School with Honors.
She was a key player in getting Bill Clinton elected to the White House both times. Under his Presidency, all of America prospered like never before. Jobs were created, the middle class prospered and the blueprint for health care for everyone was first formed.
Her entire adult life she has championed the cause of a better world for women and children. She has been an advocate around the world for both.
I think she is the best qualified candidate running from either party in this election. She served for 8 years in the US Senate, where she soon developed a reputation for being able to reach across the aisle and work with members of both parties. She also had the very difficult job of becoming Secretary of State after the George Bush years, which had virtually destroyed America's reputation abroad. The damages wrought by the Bush administration were expected to take years to repair. Hillary managed to not only repair and heal the damage in less than 4 years, but she strengthened ties with our allies and created a footprint to follow in the years ahead.
As a professional woman who has worked in a 'man's world' for most of my career, I am here to tell you that being a woman in a workplace dominated by men is not an easy task. A feminist once said that: Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good." Hillary and other women have lived with that reality their entire lives and live with it on a daily basis.
I don't support Hillary Clinton just because she is a woman. I support her because she is the best qualified candidate for the office of President. The fact that she is a woman, tells me she is better qualified times two from her nearest competition.
I leave you with Hillary's own words that sum a lot up for me:
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liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)K&R
Thanks Boo.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)It's the things you left unsaid that constrain my opinion of Senator Clinton. Either her judgement or her ethics are questionable, or both. She voted to invade Iraq and kill a million innocent Iraqi citizens, either because she didn't understand what she was doing or-- worse-- because she thought their blood would further her own career. Ask all the dead Iraqi women and children what they think of Senator Clinton's compassion. A war of aggression is the crime against humanity against which all other international crimes are measured. Her IWR vote alone makes her unfit for office, in my view.
I firmly believe that she will start another useless war of aggression somewhere else if elected.
She is way too cozy with establishment politics and corporate domination of the political process. She is, in fact, the perfect establishment politician. I think that establishment must be swept out of power, the sooner the better. Senator Clinton has not offered any alternative visions for America's political future-- it's clear that she seeks to entrench the politics of power, money, and influence that has been her family's path to wealth and celebrity. Her support is largely dependent upon big corporate donors who support her because she will maintain the status quo that they enjoy today.
She supports the TPP, at least tacitly, a trade agreement that is so hostile to working people that it has to be negotiated under a rock, out of the sun. She has expressed support for the Keystone XL pipeline, a project that will hasten global climate change by providing easy shipment of tar sands petroleum, which is an ongoing environmental disaster in Canada, and will inevitably result in severe pollution in places along its route through the U.S.
I won't continue to list all of the reasons I cannot support Senator Clinton. My first paragraph is sufficient, at least for me. I will never vote for Senator Clinton, under any circumstances.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)You certainly have every right to vote or not to vote. I think Hillary will win it with or without your vote. No one is forcing you to vote for her.
I myself plan on voting for the Democratic Nominee.
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)That is all we need ask of one another.
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)Not voting is not an option.
jkbRN
(850 posts)Your post was positive and I totally respected it, until I read your comment.
"I think Hillary will win it with or without your vote. No one is forcing you to vote for her"
I feel like your divisive response in that comment totally negates the genuineness as well as the effectiveness of your post/argument for your primary decision to support HRC.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Which made the statement they would not vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. I replied that was certainly their right, but that I would be voting for the nominee.
If me stating I will vote for the nominee in response to someone making a statement essentially saying they won't ... negates the 'genuineness and the effectiveness' of my op and makes me divisive, then we will have to agree to disagree. My op is why I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton. I believe I stated it pretty clearly.
Your divisiveness comes from your statement of presuming her as the nominee--and not just stating your opinion on why you think she is the best candidate to support.
One would hope that you can come to terms with the way you come off when you use that type of rhetoric.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)jkbRN
(850 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)And I keep >>>>
jkbRN
(850 posts)maybe one day you'll learn how to write without propagating a presumptive nominee--that's what the main stream media is for.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Authorization had already been given to use military force, there was only one NAY vote and this was by Barbara Lee. To say Hillary voted on IWR and this caused a terrible decision by Bush to rush in and invade before the inspections was complete, even ordered the inspectors out of Iraq needs to be shouldered by every yes vote on the 2001 AUMF but really falls on George W Bush.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Love the read!
cali
(114,904 posts)I'm happy to rec this op.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I don't support Hillary Clinton just because she is a woman. I support her because she is the best qualified candidate for the office of President. The fact that she is a woman, tells me she is better qualified times two from her nearest competition.
This sentiment accounts for good deal of her support. And, if you read it carefully, you'll see that it applies to (or will apply to) Susan Collins, Kay Bailey, Joni Ernst, and so on, as well as governors like Fallin, Brewer, and Haley. Dangerous criteria for choosing a president IMO.
Mrs. Clinton already believes in for-profit and charter schools, for-profit health "care", TPP and other job killing trade deals, XL pipeline, offshore drilling, and a poverty level minimum wage. If she "reaches across the aisle" to Boner and McTurtle on these issues, where will that put the nation?
I appreciate your passion, and your writing is good, but your preference is poorly reasoned.
ETA: See mike c's reply 4 for more.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)...because I wrote it. I understand that women in this world have to often work twice as hard as men do to get half the credit and recognition for our work. If this makes me dangerous or a woman dangerous for rising in the workplace, then I would question why this thought seems threatening to you.
I believe my reasoning is sound and honestly, at my age don't care if you think my reasoning is flawed....I've walked thousands of miles in my heels....I know where I have been and where I am going. I know that I am going to vote Hillary and watch her take the oath of office when she becomes our next President.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)but by the time voting came around to my state, it was clear Obama was the favorite, and he got my vote. He got my vote in two elections, as well.
For all of the things that he has done that I disagree with, I wouldn't change those votes. I'm critical of him - maybe too critical at times - but we know where Obama stands.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)There are many reasons why I do not support Hillary but you've given some great reasons why people might.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)Gothmog
(145,231 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)that women get an equal share of whatever is left over after taking care of the corporations and the rich.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)SunShine22
(47 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Cha
(297,220 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Just not this one.
jalan48
(13,865 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)bake cookies!
The nerve! The audacity! For a First Lady to do something more worthwhile than bake cookies . . .
Yes, she was an inspiration.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)This is a wonderful post and tells the story very well of women working in a male dominate job. I was right there myself, too many times I heard comments but did not let others know it bothered me. I was there to do a job, did my job well, pulled my weight and proved I was capable.
Having said this, I like Hillary a lot, have followed the Clintons through the '80's, liked Bill as president and I am supporting Hillary for president, not simply because she us a woman but because she has the skills. Her record can stand tall, she will be a great president.
okasha
(11,573 posts)She has them.
Her opposition doesn't.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)that was an excellent and heartfelt post.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)That is very telling.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Feel free to go through it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251486174
But thanks for admitting that there are no reasons to support her based on policy.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Sorry....I'm not biting.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Your inability to suggest one makes it obvious.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Right?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)It's like you went to that SuperPAC event where they taught Hillary supporters how to talk about her candidacy without mentioning a single thing that she would do.