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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:41 PM Sep 2015

Hillary Clinton: 'I Can't Wait Too Much Longer' On Keystone Pipeline Stance

Hillary Clinton: 'I Can't Wait Too Much Longer' On Keystone Pipeline Stance

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Thursday the Obama administration's decision on whether to approve the Keystone XL pipeline oil pipeline was overdue and she "can't wait too much longer" to say where she stands on the issue.

"I worked in the administration, I started the process that was supposed to lead to a decision, I can't wait too much longer and I'm putting the White House on notice. I'm going to tell you what I think soon, because I can't wait," Clinton told a town hall-style campaign event in New Hampshire.

Clinton, the former secretary of state, has not stated whether she favors approval of the pipeline.


Mrs. Clinton's previous statement on Keystone XL:



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Hillary Clinton: 'I Can't Wait Too Much Longer' On Keystone Pipeline Stance (Original Post) portlander23 Sep 2015 OP
I guess she wants it approved HassleCat Sep 2015 #1
Oil prices have collapsed Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #2
Wow, three anti-Clinton posts today, two back to back...you are on a roll, new poster! Must be fun to be so popular!? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #3
Bashing? This was posted without commentary.. frylock Sep 2015 #4
Yes, the most common way Clinton gets bashed is accurately quoting her statements. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #6
Well it's just awful and it needs to stop! frylock Sep 2015 #13
! merrily Sep 2015 #48
........ daleanime Sep 2015 #53
haha, yes! Hillary is a complete phoney...every word out of her mouth is calculated and poll tested. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #60
That's just dirty politics to have her bash herself with her own words. Autumn Sep 2015 #18
Does it upset you when people take pictures of grass being green? How about showing the sky to be TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #8
What was "anti Clinton" about the OP? Fumesucker Sep 2015 #10
Specific? Read the comments in the thread! Specific enough? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #12
What part of "the OP" did you fail to understand? Fumesucker Sep 2015 #14
Good luck there. You'll get dodge, deny and shift. morningfog Sep 2015 #19
The OP is not responsible for the replies. Absolutely nothing is wrong with the OP. merrily Sep 2015 #39
Other than quoting the chosen one. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2015 #58
On a touchy subject. Guess that's what happens when you run for POTUS. merrily Sep 2015 #59
Paranoia... 99Forever Sep 2015 #17
........ daleanime Sep 2015 #55
... 99Forever Sep 2015 #56
Guess she's bashing herself. 840high Sep 2015 #21
Makes sense. NPR said she's running against herself. merrily Sep 2015 #40
Words fail me. hedgehog Sep 2015 #54
good new pic for bashers randys1 Sep 2015 #51
sorry, mrs clinton not buying restorefreedom Sep 2015 #5
Oh the suspense. Just give your position. morningfog Sep 2015 #7
She's waiting to see what position the focus group comes up with dorkzilla Sep 2015 #16
You have no idea how hard it is kenfrequed Sep 2015 #24
Does the Empress realize we can see she’s stark naked? dorkzilla Sep 2015 #30
Another factor for me in choosing a candidate GitRDun Sep 2015 #9
It should not be a close one for anyone. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #11
she won't lie! MisterP Sep 2015 #15
I'm putting the White House on notice. azmom Sep 2015 #20
I saw that, too. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #23
Hillary just wants an answer. It has nothing to do with being the boss. riversedge Sep 2015 #27
she doesn't need an answer to simply state her position cali Sep 2015 #32
seems you know nothing about undermining another person's yet-to be made decison. riversedge Sep 2015 #36
LOL! merrily Sep 2015 #41
what a crock cali Sep 2015 #45
You mean like undermining Obama's middle east foreign policy? jeff47 Sep 2015 #50
I'm putting Ms Clinton on notice that if she doesn't remove her head from her ass soon tularetom Sep 2015 #29
ROFL CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #47
She needs to know which stance is politically safe to take. JRLeft Sep 2015 #22
Hillary does not want to undermine her friend the President. riversedge Sep 2015 #28
baloney. if that were the reason she wouldn't have criticized him on foreign policy cali Sep 2015 #34
One big difference--This decision has not been made yet. riversedge Sep 2015 #35
bull she's just being her dodgy self cali Sep 2015 #46
No way you believe that. JRLeft Sep 2015 #61
She does know, which is why she's not talking. She's hoping to be able to make it to the general merrily Sep 2015 #42
Which way is she evolving this time? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #25
I'll take a wild guess: center right. merrily Sep 2015 #43
TPP is going to permit Keystone XL anyway. Nt HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #26
TPP through ISDS courts will seek to force congress to pass it again later... cascadiance Sep 2015 #37
Make her squirm, Mr President! tularetom Sep 2015 #31
So she expects to be President soon? Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #33
WTF. Why can't she tell us her stance NOW?? Avalux Sep 2015 #38
What makes you think you should be able to know the positions of someone running for POTUS? merrily Sep 2015 #44
Yoo Hoo! Barack, I need to know which way to lean in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #49
So now it's another..... daleanime Sep 2015 #52
She thinks it's 1988, and that the public is as inquisitive as Arkansans were then. sorechasm Sep 2015 #57
I will my answer, when I can think of an answer that will please everyone. JRLeft Sep 2015 #62
Time for Hillary to make some Hard Choices©. frylock Sep 2015 #63
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. I guess she wants it approved
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:43 PM
Sep 2015

Otherwise, why bring it up? If she was against the pipeline, there would be no rush.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Wow, three anti-Clinton posts today, two back to back...you are on a roll, new poster! Must be fun to be so popular!?
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:46 PM
Sep 2015

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
60. haha, yes! Hillary is a complete phoney...every word out of her mouth is calculated and poll tested.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:36 PM
Sep 2015

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
8. Does it upset you when people take pictures of grass being green? How about showing the sky to be
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 10:41 PM
Sep 2015

unflatteringly blue?

What is "anti Clinton" about her own statements and if the statement is an issue why don't you express your concerns to the person making them?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
40. Makes sense. NPR said she's running against herself.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:13 PM
Sep 2015

I just hope she keeps it classy and doesn't run a smear campaign against her self.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
51. good new pic for bashers
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:14 PM
Sep 2015


we could use this here, probably see it a few thousand times a week here if we posted it each and every time someone attacked her

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
5. sorry, mrs clinton not buying
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:55 PM
Sep 2015

1. she is no longer sos. she is not bound to any loyalty to keep her mouth shut
2. there is free speech in this country
3. she is a major candidate for president of the u.s. she has every right RIGHT NOW to say what she thinks.

this is just another dodge to put off saying that she really supports it cuz she knows it will not go over well.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
16. She's waiting to see what position the focus group comes up with
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:01 PM
Sep 2015

Such hogwash. Embarrassing to say the least.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
24. You have no idea how hard it is
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:50 AM
Sep 2015

To sound like you care about something you don't, while straddling the fence to maximize support for your position, while not actually straddling the fence and clearly deciding to be on the side of industry.

Can you imagine how much messaging, creative writing, and focus group testing something like that would take???

Give the Clinton campaign a break.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
30. Does the Empress realize we can see she’s stark naked?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:11 AM
Sep 2015

She’s either lazy or feels like its in the bag, but she is increasingly “phoning it in”.

It may also be that she knows her goose is cooked and doesn’t want to keep this up, but the high-priced consultants need to suck the last drop of blood out of her. I actually feel sorry for her, because I believe that is the case.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
9. Another factor for me in choosing a candidate
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 10:42 PM
Sep 2015

For anyone that has not researched this topic, here is a 5 minute primer on why the Keystone pipeline should never be approved:

There are few tangible benefits to the US as the pipeline will not connect to Midwest refineries and the crude will ultimately be exported:

Rather than providing the US with more Canadian oil, Keystone XL will simply shift oil from the Midwest to the Gulf Coast, where much of it can be exported to international buyers – decreasing US energy supply and increasing the cost of oil in the American Midwest,” concludes a new study by the Natural Resources Defense Council, a New York-based environmental advocacy non-profit group, citing numerous TransCanada studies and the transcripts of Canadian federal hearings.


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0309/Inside-the-Keystone-pipeline-How-much-would-it-really-help-US-consumers

So those of us in the Midwest will pay more for gasoline as the crude from Alberta currently being railed into Midwest refineries evaporates.

OK, so we lose a little crude in the Midwest. Pipeline is safer than rail, so that's good, right? Well, no:

In 2012, former TransCanada engineer Evan Vokes blew the whistle on his employer as he raised concerns about the competency of some pipeline inspectors and the company's lack of compliance with welding regulations set by the NEB.

The following year, the watchdog group Public Citizen reported that dozens of anomalies, including dents and welds, had been identified along a 60-mile stretch of the southern segment of the Keystone XL pipeline, north of the Sabine River in Texas.


http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/03/19/transcanada-whistleblower-spurs-new-probe-pipeline-giants-safety-record

And then there's this report on their professionalism in TX where the southern portion is already being built:

Vokes says TransCanada prioritizes staying on schedule over quality. In a 28-page complaint filed last year with the Canadian government’s pipeline regulator, he describes rampant code violations on other TransCanada projects. He claims that the repair work in Texas proves the company is still ignoring the engineering codes and regulations that guide pipeline construction and warns that Keystone XL will likely leak.


http://www.treehugger.com/energy-disasters/transcanada-whistleblower-keystone-xl-texas-will-leak.html

This is what it does to people who live where it leaks or spills:

Diluted bitumen spills

Large quantities of diluted bitumen were spilled following pipeline ruptures in Marshall, Michigan, in 2010 and Mayflower, Arkansas in 2013. These spills, of at least 1.15 million gallons and 210,000 gallons, respectively, have proved extremely difficult to clean up. The tar sands oil that spilled in Michigan entered the Kalamazoo River, leading to the most expensive oil pipeline cleanup in U.S. history (now totaling more than $1 billion). After the spill in Michigan, the state Department of Public Health set up a broad surveillance effort that determined 320 people suffered adverse health effects, including cardiovascular, dermal, gastrointestinal, neurological, ocular, renal, and respiratory impacts. Similarly, following the Arkansas spill, air monitoring data showed significantly increased levels of benzene in the ambient air, and residents living close to the spill reported increased headaches, nausea, and respiratory problems. Despite these health concerns, the federal government has failed to promulgate guidelines for dealing with chemical exposure at oil spills and has not commissioned any studies regarding the long-term human health impacts of these spills.


http://www.nrdc.org/energy/tar-sands-health-effects.asp

This should not be a close one for HRC.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
23. I saw that, too.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:20 AM
Sep 2015

She's not the boss of Obama.

In fact, last I checked, it was the other way around when she worked there.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
50. You mean like undermining Obama's middle east foreign policy?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:57 PM
Sep 2015

'Cause Clinton was happy to talk about that, despite the many yet-to-be-made decisions.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
29. I'm putting Ms Clinton on notice that if she doesn't remove her head from her ass soon
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:11 AM
Sep 2015

I will decide whether or not to support her candidacy. I can't wait much longer.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
42. She does know, which is why she's not talking. She's hoping to be able to make it to the general
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:18 PM
Sep 2015

before she has to say, whereupon, she'll find reasons to be in favor of it. Her State Department approved it while she was Secretary.

Same with the TPP. She called it "the gold standard."

Suddenly, though, she doesn't know what to say about either issue, which are hot buttons for the base.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
37. TPP through ISDS courts will seek to force congress to pass it again later...
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:36 AM
Sep 2015

... to avoid huge fines for Transcanada's "lost profits". She's probably worried that this process won't happen until election time (since she's assuming she's the "anointed nominee&quot and put pressure on her to commit to signing such a bill to avoid the U.S. getting their debt increased substantially if they have to pay these TPP fines, and Obama looking to pass the buck to have a bill signed to her, or the prospect of her "friends" complaining that a Democratic congress will prevent such a bill from being passed in 2017 if it lasts that long, and then to keep them happy she'd be forced to use executive action to implement Keystone rather than waiting for congress to pass a bill for it.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
31. Make her squirm, Mr President!
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:16 AM
Sep 2015

She's dying for him to support it and take the heat off her, but I think he's a better poker player than she is.

Since she's now starting to panic about the thing, he should just sit back and wait her out.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
38. WTF. Why can't she tell us her stance NOW??
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:57 AM
Sep 2015

It's mind-boggling to me that she'd say this and use such strong language, while she's the one running for president and is obligated to tell voters whether she supports it or not. Take a fucking stand Hillary.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
44. What makes you think you should be able to know the positions of someone running for POTUS?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:21 PM
Sep 2015

Cheeky!

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
52. So now it's another.....
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:16 PM
Sep 2015

it's not my fault statement? Oh, I would love some more debates, but the DNC.... Gee, I wish I could talk about the XL pipeline, but the White House....

sorechasm

(631 posts)
57. She thinks it's 1988, and that the public is as inquisitive as Arkansans were then.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:25 PM
Sep 2015

She doesn't seem to know how transparently condescending she is. Just say it: "I am in favor of TPP because....100 jobs for 4 years?...I don't give a damn about harm to the nation's largest aquifer?...my investors won't let me say what I really think?...I'm not a scientist so I really don't understand all that science stuff about climate change and the tar sands?

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