Is the Hillary loyalty pledge real?

[Cosmic Kitten]

I saw a video on the intertube
that says Hillary is forcing attendees
of her events to sign a "Loyalty Pledge"?!?!

WTF?

It was horrible optics when the repubs
did it, and now Hillary is doing it too?

Is this REAL?

[Autumn]

1. I wouldn't think so. There would be no better way to turn Democrats off a candidate

than doing something that stupid.

[Cosmic Kitten]

5. Agreed, it is a bad idea...

but is her campaign actually doing it?

[99Forever]

9. Unforced errors are SOP for Camp Clinton.

That doing something is stupid, doesn't seem to stop them.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. If there are any good ways to turn Democrats off a candidate

rest assured Hillary's crack team of high-priced beltway experts are all over them.

[RiverLover]

30. "Hillary loyalty pledge backfires at Millennial-focused event"

Hillary loyalty pledge backfires at Millennial-focused event
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6784

Hillary misses mark with millennials
Clinton spoke for 30 minutes on voter suppression, gun control, women's reproductive rights; she called Republicans “terrorists” and championed foster care. The only time she caught the audience's attention was with a brief mention of college affordability.

It was as if time had passed her by.

This trip was billed as a grassroots support mechanism, with every attendee required to sign a pledge of support before entering the field.

What it showed was a campaign staff that is underachieving at best or failing their candidate at worst, and a candidate trapped by that staff's arrogance and her own insecurity as a campaigner.

Yet, despite standing in all of this political quicksand, Clinton remains the favorite among her party's elite.

Bellwethers are funny things; pretty much anyone can make the argument that an event, a state, a gathering or a moment is a microcosm of larger events, and pretty much they'd be wrong.

Is what happened in Cleveland also happening at other Clinton events? If so, it is a peek into one of the least talked about aspects of populism: not showing up to vote.

If voters are angry, uninspired, tired of the status quo, and not buying their party's nominee, they usually throw up their hands and stay home.

That is a prospect strategists and reporters often miss, but it could be a very real possibility in 2016 for both parties.

http://triblive.com/opinion/salena/9029352-74/clinton-ohio-audience

[liberal_at_heart]

35. not showing up to vote is a real possibility. Only the party establishment won't see it as

a fault of the candidate or the party. They simply blame the voter and keep doing exactly what they did before.

[RiverLover]

37. Yep. Passive resistance, Passive protest.

This is a nightmare, what the DNC is doing. And at the worst possible time, a time when the populace is finally waking up to corporate bought politicians and wanting true representation....

[virtualobserver]

2. not demanding it, but it is a psychological ploy

making a commitment in writing makes it stronger

when it comes time to vote....the person from the campaign
will know that they signed the pledge when they call....
they can remind them of their pledge.

[HereSince1628]

20. Yep.

It's a classic sales technique, get people to agree to something, anything, and they become more and more agreeable. But it's not limited to used car salesmen.

[MineralMan]

3. How about a link to that video?

I'd be interested in its source and want to check its accuracy. Thanks very much.

I've seen pledges like that, but have never seen them as mandatory to attend any event. There's a pledge that delegates to DFL conventions in Minnesota sign, but it says that the signer supports the DFL and its platform. If you don't sign it, you can't serve as a delegate at the convention. That's a different kind of pledge, though, and is intended to keep Republicans out of our conventions.

In the meantime, you might want to look at this link:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252882-clinton-campaign-pushes-back-on-commitment-pledge-repor

Sounds like some sort of false claim to me.

[Cosmic Kitten]

7. Here ya go

[AtomicKitten]

32. Too funny.

They poached "Fired up. Ready to Go." ... and the crowd yawned.

Thanked millennials for their support in 2008 ... when they were 12.

Made attendees sign a "pledge of support" to enter the rally, then claimed it was grassroots support.

And on and on and on.

[frylock]

33. Amateur hour

[riversedge]

40. the image the OP is the exact same one from your link--folds with the blotch on it.

Thanks for YOUR link. I do recall this story.

I looked up the reporter--Selena Zito from your link. She was tweeting the GOP debate (talking of Trump in this tweet). Does not seem to have a good opine of Obama either.




SalenaZito Verified account ?@SalenaZitoTrib Sep 15 Mount Lebanon, PA

SalenaZito retweeted Eric Phillips

No substance. I never thought it was possible for a candidate to use I and me more than Obama

[ibegurpard]

4. this is pretty common

Issue campaigns do this all the time. It's not legally binding. I don't have a problem with it. What would look really bad for them is if they didn't let people in who wouldn't sign it.

[MineralMan]

12. Nobody was required to sign that pledge to attend

the event. See the link below. This is just another attempt to plant false information about the Clinton campaign. People who wanted to sign it could, but it was not required for attendance:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252882-clinton-campaign-pushes-back-on-commitment-pledge-repor

[oldandhappy]

6. I am reading 'The Residence'

which is about the staff at the White House and covers people who have worked in the WH from Truman forward. The maids, chefs, florists, ushers, etc == fascinating book. Got it at the library. The Clintons were very concerned about loyalty then. I am sure she has some kind of loyalty commitment in place for staff. Seems a little unwieldy for attendees but I really do not know.

[dorkzilla]

8. Apparently its “sorta” true...sorry, not sorry issued by campaign

They said people weren’t required to sign it to gain admittance but still...and it was directed at the youngins...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clinton-makes-voters-sign-loyalty-pledge-before-entering-event/


Also this:

From a distance, the visual of students lining up along Bellflower Road in this Rust Belt city's University Circle neighborhood was good B-roll for Hillary Clinton's campaign, seemingly showcasing her appeal to young people.

It also was an opportunity to claim she was building a firewall of supporters for Ohio's March primary, should Joe Biden step in or Bernie Sanders catch up in a meaningful way.

That initial impression was quickly dispelled.

What looked like a block-long line turned out to be a crowd that could barely fill one-fourth of a football field. And the students in attendance? Well, they weren't exactly there to support the former secretary of State.

“I am sort of a Bernie (Sanders) fan. I also had nothing else to do at 10 in the morning,” said Brian Miller, a chemical engineering student from Pittsburgh, waiting with more than a dozen friends for the event to start.

David Lituchy of Morgantown, W.Va., was there on the off-chance he'd see a different Clinton: “I am here for Bill. He would definitely liven things up here.”

He said he's leaning toward Sanders, too.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/06/hillary_misses_mark_with_millennials_127995.html

[demmiblue]

10. They just wanted to add them to their mail/e-mail database...

and what virtualobserver and ibegurpard said.

From what I understand, it was completely voluntary and those who did not wish to sign were allowed to attend the event.

[peacebird]

11. Yes, but there are much better ways to get the names & email, like simply asking for them

The whole pledge thing was an unforced error on their part

[Cosmic Kitten]

14. Agreed. Framing the request as a "Pledge" to vote...

is not only bad optics it reeks of subtle coercion.

I though only right-wingers demanded loyalty oaths.

From the Thx boxes to loyalty pledges...
her campaign is tone deaf

[demmiblue]

19. While I agree with you for the most part...

making it into something that it is not reflects poorly on the OP.

Click on some of the threads she linked to in post #13... clearly not even in the same ballpark.

[NCTraveler]

13. Ohhhh the horror!!!!!!!!!! nt.

[Cosmic Kitten]

15. A sample of right-wing "loyalty" pledges

Wow... They Really Do NOT Like Democracy... 'Loyalty Oath' Forbids GOP Support For Crist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8203803

Loyalty oaths in Kansas?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1541219

Virginia GOP Will Require Voters To Sign ‘Loyalty Oath’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101412866

Idaho GOP accepts platform with loyalty oath, call for repeal of 17th Amendment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8644963

[NCTraveler]

17. You think your op is a statement of right or left wing.

This is one of the reasons I love this place so much. While some of it is frustrating, some is outright hilarious. I love the influx of new people Sanders has brought into the party. Some are going to stick around. Thanks for this. lol.

The image in your op is a statement of right or left. I absolutely love this.

[JackInGreen]

18. This is why

This rightwing bullshit right here.
You might not be required to full it out but it's some of the shadyest shit since the repukes did it. What's next in the bag of tricks? Mailers with the wrong date and location for the election? or a "reregister NOW" mailer that makes you think there's no one else on the ballot?
I don't blame hill exactly but I wish she'd tell her people to bag this crap.

[Cheese Sandwich]

21. Probably real. I remember Obama had those in 2012

I remember refusing to sign one

[Daemonaquila]

22. If he did, he stopped using them.

I was never asked to sign anything to go to a rally.

[fadedrose]

23. Grover Norquist does this too? nt

[liberal_at_heart]

38. I remember Democrats being furious when Norquist did this. All of a sudden it's okay because

it's a Democrat doing it.

[youceyec]

24. its a marketing

thing. no one is held accountable to support her after signing it.

[Cosmic Kitten]

25. It seems her "brand" will suffer...

from such poor optics.

I'm sure her "marketing strategy"
looks great on paper, in real life, meh,
not so much.

The fact she needs to "sell" us her "brand"
and make faux pleas to allow her to be our
"champion", rather than stand on issues we
care about, speaks volumes about how uninspiring
she is as a candidate.

[HassleCat]

26. Fake. And that woud be illegal in some states. (eom)

[Cosmic Kitten]

27. Fake? Apparently the Hillary campaign acknowledged it?

From what was posted here
it seems the issue is whether
it was "required" to gain entry
to the event or if it was optional?

I'm interested in what is really going on here?

[HassleCat]

29. Yes, I was thinking of the compulsory part (eom)

[JustAnotherGen]

28. I just googled it an only found it on the first page

Places on the web with this 'story' -


The Bl*ze
W6D
Ab*ve T*p S*cr%t
Faux

etc. etc.

The 'punctuation' is so that we don't give track backs to those sites.

As an aside - an actuall FULL link was posted to red state here today and one was hidden and one was locked as off topic.

I'm thinking admin should lock this until a legit news source (faux) is not publishes the non-story?

[99Forever]

31. Consider this :

There are actually people on this thread defending this authoritarian shit.

Does that give a clue as to the kind of mentality that it takes to support Hillary Clinton?

[jkbRN]

34. Yeah, it's for real--

and it's really pathetic.

[AgingAmerican]

36. This is the kind of shit Bush McCain Palin and Romney did

nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

39. It's the way of the oligarchs

[hifiguy]

41. You have GOT to be kidding me.

Loyalty oaths?

Do you get a shiny little card with a membership number on it?