What is Hillary saying when she announces that she is putting the white house

[cali]

on notice? Who is she to do that? What does she mean? It comes off as not only arrogant but as some sort of weird threat. Is she hinting that she's going to do an about face and after vociferously supporting it, she's going to oppose it?

[daleanime]

1. I think she's mostly looking....

to provide some cover for herself.

[global1]

2. In What Context Was This Said?.....nt

[PoliticAverse]

10. This ABC News article has details...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-putting-white-house-notice-keystone-pipeline/story?id=33847806

[HassleCat]

3. Two possibilities occur

1. (my interpretation) Come on, already. I have a campaign to run here, and this pipeline crap is getting in the way of my ascendency to the throne.

2. (a kinder interpretation) This is an issue in which I invested a lot of time and energy. It would be in the best interests of the nation to have a decision sooner rather than later.

[elehhhhna]

81. Make the decision so I don't have to admit that I'm owned.

Thats what she means


triangulation ring a bell?

[Renew Deal]

4. She is doing the correct thing. Don't know why it needs to be public but

She has said that she would withhold judgement until they made a decision.

[sabrina 1]

8. Why? Isn't she asking us to elect her to be a LEADER? Since when

do candidates for the WH have to wait for a current administration to make decisions before THEY tell the voters what their positions are?

I don't remember ever hearing this before.

[Renew Deal]

15. Because there is a conflict of interest

I don't know if you work, but if you do, do you publicly proclaim that your boss is right or wrong about something? It's an unusual situation, but it looks like it will be cleared up soon.

[cali]

17. there is absolutely no conflict of interest, no matter how one tries

to spin it. He is not her boss.

[Renew Deal]

19. He is her former boss and there is a conflict if your most respected adviser takes a stand.

She is letting the WH know that she will announce a position soon. This gives them the opportunity to go first. It's basic courtesy.


Your OP is another example of the anti-Hillary brigade looking for anything to attack her on. If she drank a Pepsi some people here would be worked up that it wasn't a Coke.

[cali]

25. you said he was her boss. present tense. And who says she was his most

trusted advisor? Why not just say that out of respect for Obama she's waiting until he makes a decision instead of employing the tough talk and tough attitude toward the President?

[Renew Deal]

26. Whatever makes you feel better is OK with me.

It is a non-issue.

[Fuddnik]

44. Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein are her current bosses.

[Renew Deal]

47. You're so witty.

Thanks for that contribution.

[Unknown Beatle]

57. With everything that's out there involving Hillary,

all the baggage, her friendship with wall st. and big banks, her flip flopping on issues, her lies, after all that and you still believe anything she has to say?

Before you say what lies? She said she and Bill were flat broke when they left the white house. Wow! What a whopper.

[Depaysement]

101. 54 percent disapproval rating

Time to pile on and look tough. Good politics.

[ieoeja]

45. Didn't stop her from being highly critical of this administration on foreign policy. n/t

[daleanime]

46. Maybe they mean the conflict of her interest......

in being elected? Just my guess.

[roguevalley]

60. don't worry about what she means. She'll tell us when she's elected.

[daleanime]

80. Yeah, that kind of pokes me raw too.....

[jeff47]

23. Why does that not apply to foreign policy questions? (nt)

[Renew Deal]

27. Don't know other than those questions have already been answered one way or another.

[jeff47]

29. Except they haven't "been answered". They are questions about on-going situations.

Yet Clinton happily said what she'd do about these ongoing situations.

If it is terrible to undermine her former boss via giving a Keystone XL answer, why is it not terrible to undermine her boss on other foreign policy issues?

[Renew Deal]

31. Because one is settled and the other isn't.

That's her point.

[jeff47]

33. Syria and Iran are not settled. Ukraine is not settled.

And there's several other "not settled" situations where Clinton has not backed the Obama administration.

So if she can answer those not-settled questions, why can't she answer this not-settled question?

[Renew Deal]

35. She didn't say she wasn't going to answer it

She was going to let Obama go first.

Policy wise, the other matters are settled. There is a strategy right or wrong.

[jeff47]

37. Again, they are not settled. Those situations are constantly changing

requiring a constantly changing strategy. Russia just sent troops to Syria, for example. That makes it a drastically different situation. Yet Clinton is not letting Obama "go first" on anything other than Keystone XL.

[Renew Deal]

48. They are settled in terms of strategy

Things constantly change. That doesn't relate to her previous job.

[jeff47]

53. Foreign policy doesn't relate to her previous job.

Really. Did you think she worked at a Starbucks or something?

Again, there's only one issue where she lets Obama go first: Keystone XL. She is not doing that on any other subject.

[Renew Deal]

63. I'm sure you didn't mean to say that.

"The Secretary of State is a senior official of the federal government of the United States of America heading the U.S. Department of State, principally concerned with foreign affairs and is considered to be the U.S. government's equivalent of a Minister for Foreign Affairs."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State

[jeff47]

72. You are the one claiming foreign policy does not relate to her previous job.

Also, obvious sarcasm is obvious. To anyone who isn't desperately spinning.

[Renew Deal]

74. Show me where I made that claim

[jeff47]

76. Well, I'm talking about the foreign policy situation and

how she still was happy to comment.

You responded:

Things constantly change. That doesn't relate to her previous job.

So....how exactly does foreign policy and its changing nature not relate to her previous job?

[Renew Deal]

85. You misunderstood

Things change and the current state of things doesn't relate directly to her previous job. They relate to the job she wants.

[jeff47]

87. Except that makes utterly no sense in the context.

We were talking about foreign policy, and how she happily comments on the current state of things in foreign policy.

And then you claimed that didn't relate to her previous job.

Which makes absolutely zero sense. Especially since the entire point of commenting or not commenting is her previous job.

[frylock]

38. You don't know why policy issues should be made public?

hunh....

[Renew Deal]

40. No. I don't know why she has to make a statement saying that she is going to make a statement

But I guess it puts the WH the chance to go first. Avoids the breathless headlines about "what is Obama going to do now that Hillary made a statement".

[99th_Monkey]

55. She could just as well have put Obama 'on notice' via private channels

instead of making a point of doing it publicly.

I think came across to me as a lame attempt to look 'presidential', by calling-out
Obama on it; implying they are 'equals' i.e. that she'll BE the next POTUS.

[roguevalley]

61. she is reacting to public pressure for an answer to what she would do on an

issue and she's turning to Obama to be the bad guy. She's dumping it on him without having a public position that will displease her masters.

[Renew Deal]

69. Not necesarily

The popular opinion is to oppose it. She could easily do that herself. This makes more sense if she's going to take a different stance. There is really no bad guy here unless one of them comes out for it.

[Renew Deal]

67. My first thought was that it could be handled privately

But then there would be the dramatic questions about whether she consulted Obama. At least now everyone knows what's going on. There is no implication of being equals or presumption of victory. But the great thing about Hillary is that her opponents will always find something to criticize her about.

[99th_Monkey]

88. Hillary "putting Obama on notice" publicly still strikes me as a little odd.

But maybe it's just me.

[Major Hogwash]

105. Do you mean like using e-mails?

I don't think she is going to use e-mail to do anything like that for a long, long time, if ever again.

[840high]

98. I would like to know

where a candidate stands.

[Android3.14]

75. Sorry. had to chuckle.

I applaud your naivete.

[morningfog]

5. It was such a bizarre construct. Why she can't just give her position is beyond me.

What is it with her?

But you raise a good point with the threat aimed at the WH. It's almost as if she was saying, "Barack, if you don't step up, I am going to start running this party and this country. There will be no lame duck between now when I officially move into the White House."

The arrogance paired with the refusal to take positions is a horrible combination for a candidate or a president.

[snooper2]

9. She is pissed off that she hasn't just been crowned for the nomination

I was thinking she might fake it and be "above the fray" Hillary but I think we may get angry Hillary at the first debate-

Should be GREATNESS!

If you thought you had the nomination in the bag 10 years ago would you be a little miffed

[hifiguy]

30. LOL for truth.

She's been running for president since Bubba's first term. Not even Richard Nixon ran for POTUS that long.

[roguevalley]

62. she's putting it on obama so she doesn't have to make one. She's tossed him in the ditch.

[hifiguy]

68. That is what has always happened to

ANYONE who stands between a Clinton, ANY Clinton, and what they think is theirs.

[unblock]

6. meh. it's just a colorful way of expressing a position.

in an alpha sort of way.

[Zorra]

7. She is a US citizen, and has every right to say she is putting the WH on notice. As for what she

means, you'll have to check the weather vane below every 10 minutes or so to determine that at any given time.

[Bubzer]

58. lol

[hifiguy]

70. That is going to be the Official Meme of campaign season.

And justifiably so.

Though I kinda like this one too:

[Mass]

11. This is a way to avoid stating way to avoid stating her position on Keystone while still looking

tough.

[global1]

13. I Agree - It's A Deflection So She Doesn't Have To Make A Committment Either Way.....nt

[azmom]

16. It's not working. N/t

[TwilightGardener]

12. Got to shake it up a little, probably more bad FBI/email news coming out soon.

I read that her attorney, Kendall, was ordered by the State Dept. to delete emails that held classified info, which may have been an illegal order, especially since Kendall had been told by investigators NOT to delete or destroy anything on the thumb drive he held.

[Darb]

14. She has withheld comment to allow the White House to make policy without

her getting in the middle of it. But she would appreciate it if they would make an announcement because she keeps getting badgered by both the teabag types and the Bernie people.

Duh.

[cali]

18. really? link to any evidence that she's been 'beleagured' by tea party types over

her dodging this issue. And as for your transparent and clumsy attempts to link tea partiers to Sanders supporters?

pfft.

[Renew Deal]

21. You're right. They're are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

And as we've seen from Liberty, there is common ground to be found.

[jeff47]

24. And that doesn't apply to foreign policy questions because.........? (nt)

[karynnj]

34. Except, she already played a big role in it at the beggining

Note that - as Obama works to defeat ISIS - HRC did not hesitate in teh J.J. Goldberg Atlantic interview, argue that Obama was wrong not to have taken the more aggressive plane of arming rebels that she and Petraeus argued for -- even arguing that doing that would have meant that ISIS would not have been created. (Ignoring that a large proportion of them were Iraqi Sunnis (or Syrian Sunnis) who were part of Saddam Hussein's forces. )

Note when the Obama administration makes at statement, she will still either agree or disagree. (This question of approving or not approving really has no split the difference answer.) This is just pushing that point off. Oddly, a weird but interesting strategy is to take the OPPOSITE side. You never know what would have happened had the other choice been made -- thus you can argue that it clearly would not have had any down sides of the side taken.

[nichomachus]

83. Teabag types = "Bernie people" -- Really?

And here we have it. Another smear from a Hillary surrogate helping her in her dirty tricks campaign. Dick Nixon had nothing on Hillary Rodham. She must have learned it while she was twirling her tassles as a Goldwater Girl.

[840high]

99. I don't think the White House cares

what she thinks or says.

[karynnj]

20. Complete guess - She is angry that John Kerry and President Obama did not play the roles she

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wanted them to. She created a process and assigned an industry leaning group to evaluate the environmental impact. Their task was DEFINED as assuming that pipeline or no pipeline, the same amount of dirty oil comes out of the earth -- thus that contribution to global warming "doesn't count". Right before she left office, that report came out -- and it -- no surprise - couldn't find an environmental impact! Kerry set up a process to get public opinion - and when a lot came in - extended the process -- again and again. (There was also a Nebraska case that both extended the time and changed the route.)

Clearly, what HRC likely intended to happen was that her successor would, given the SD environmental study, sign off on it - and that Obama (who had approved the construction of the lower piece) would use that as cover. This would have been nearly 3 years before a HRC run - and depending where the public was -- it would then either have been her good work lining up a comprehensive study that enabled this Job (yeah - all 5 of them) program to go forward --- or John Kerry's fault for enabling an environmental nightmare. (After all, unlike the Clintons since Arkansas days, he never thought of the environment.) (If needed - Kerry is a life long environmentalist. )

[cali]

28. excellent post, really shows what a bullshit bit of maneuvering

for political purposes a reversal of her support for it would be.

[MBS]

91. your analysis sounds right to me.

Plus IMHO uttering a PUBLIC statement adds an extra- bizarre (or tacky) twist.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. As usual, she's still evolving. The direction of her evolution is still undecided.

[SoapBox]

32. She doesn't know what the hell she's saying...

She's all over the planet, with stuff she says...that Weathervane is spinning like it's in a storm.

All this crap (what she says, all of her Attack Dogs spewing bullshit, all the private/invitation only money grubbing, lack of virtually any public appearances, etc.) has turned me off once and for all...period.

She would be a mess in the White House.

[GitRDun]

36. ugh the 1,001 ways I hate Hillary is back

It was a nice break while it lasted.

Maybe it would be best to just assume she supports Keystone unless she says so otherwise.

[AtomicKitten]

39. It's kabuki theater.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

49. You'll never guess which way I voted --

It's kabuki theater.
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[AtomicKitten]

51. Friends of the Earth is a rightwing source. Who knew?

Thanks for the heads-up and for your vote.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

54. "Friends of the Earth is a rightwing source."

Pretty much what I said in my comments.

Thanks for the heads-up and for your vote

You're an AtomicKitten. I'm a Nuclear Unicorn. We're practically blood relations.

[AtomicKitten]

56. in solidarity, cheers

[roguevalley]

64. Fuck. I'm a commie then. Sweet. :D

[hifiguy]

71. Wow. The more the alerts by the Hillionaires

the less success they have with them.

Someone's getting a 24 hour alert timeout.

[TheFarS1de]

96. lol

Truth hurts

[guillaumeb]

50. I was juror number 7.

The alert button is FAR too easy to push, in my opinion

[AtomicKitten]

52. thanks for your vote!

[RufusTFirefly]

73. Thanks for posting that amazing graphic. I've seen it before, but I never tire of it.

In fact, I even learned something new when I looked at it this time.

DLA Piper (about two thirds of the way down the graphic on the left side) just happens to be Hillary's No. 3 contributor. Only people from Citigroup (No. 1) and Goldman-Sachs (No. 2) have given her more money during her career.

Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

[questionseverything]

92. great graphic

[frylock]

41. Don't know, but I hope the WH makes her sweat it out..

the fucking arrogance of this candidate is breath taking.

[Gman]

42. Arrogant? You clearly don't get it

She's a former cabinet member. In the world of decent people you give your former boss some kind of notice so you don't end up making him look bad. It's called professional courtesy. You should look it up. For that matter, "courtesy" is there to be looked up too.

[cali]

43. what nonsense. she's criticised him on foreign policy.

That's nothing but an excuse, and there was nothing in her comment that reflected courtesy toward the President. Publicly announcing that you're putting the President on notice is far from courtesy.

[roguevalley]

66. she's using him as her excuse to make a position known. YOU DECIDE, OBAMA! THEN I WILL!

Actually, Bernie made his position clear without Obama being made the heavy or the bad guy. She won't because she's for it. Before she was against it. Depending of course on what the meaning of 'is' is. ibid. op sit. infinitum.

[restorefreedom]

59. that "notice" could have been given privately

she has a line to the president any time she wants to talk to him. The fact that she's doing this on purpose publicly is because she's posturing, and she's posturing because she's probably for Keystone but doesn't want to say so and is putting it off as long as possible, because she knows as soon as we all know she is for a major environmental polluting project that won't even bring jobs to this country her numbers will tank even more.

[frylock]

65. Did she give notice when she flexed her muscles at Brookings a couple weeks ago?

She may as well have come right out and called Obama and Kerry wimps.

[Skwmom]

93. In the world of DECENT people, you don't repay someone who appointed you to a high office by doing

what she and her husband did.

[randys1]

77. ...

[DisgustipatedinCA]

97. Beats the shit out of c-shell and Korn. nt

[people]

78. Still poll testing pipeline? Biden gave opinion in 2013!

VP Biden came out against the Keystone pipeline in 2013! I have no idea why Hillary is doing this, but it comes across really badly -- like posturing and almost coy. Very odd. I am sure she is very smart and is a good mom and grandma, but . . . . . She almost always sounds wooden and scripted. Her real opinions are just too close to Wall Street and too in favor of wars for me. Sanders is SUCH a breath of fresh air.

[magical thyme]

79. sounds like she's under the impression that the white house answers to her

agreed. comes across as arrogant and...wierd. Like she's tired of waiting on slowpoke Obama or something.

[Agnosticsherbet]

82. I think she would prefer that the Obama administration decides

And removes it from the policy discussion Asa done deal. She could either agree or disagree, depending on which choice works best politically.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

84. It's a threat.....

She's telling them they better make a decision on Keystone or she will have no choice but to give a direct answer.

The very idea that her position on ANYTHING will no long be unknown and be part of the record has the folks in the White House waking in a cold sweat in the wee hours of the night.

[tularetom]

86. Well Obama had better decide quick because SHE's getting tired of waiting

and we all know the whole fucking world revolves around HER!

I'm guessing the reaction in the WH is something like



Well, Im hoping that's the reaction anyway.

[CanadaexPat]

89. She is trying to sound decisive while not deciding anything.

[AgingAmerican]

90. She still has no position on Keystone

She is scared of upsetting Obama's base by publicly disagreeing with, or contradicting him.

How long has Keystone been an issue? And she still has 'no position' on it? I used to think she was tough, but lately she seems scared of her own shadow.

[Utopian Leftist]

94. Why should a front runner commit to any remotely-controversial position?

She doesn't have to. The American Public has demonstrated so far that they prefer Hillary by making her first in the polling. Even without her ever uttering hardly a single word about policy or issue.

Of course, that polling discounts the fact that half the country still has not had the opportunity to hear of Senator Sanders or his positions on the issues.

But Hillary is the big winner in the horse race so far . . . so why put the good of the country before her own self-interests?

[DonCoquixote]

95. Only white priviledge

allows a white candidature to inform a black president he is "ON Notice."

[840high]

100. That really was a strange statement from her.

[Doctor_J]

102. trying to sound forceful and tough while (as usual) refusing to express an opinion

What else?

[Samantha]

103. It is just a political maneuver to try to appear to be distancing hereself from President Obama

In reality it means nothing.

Sam

[delrem]

104. She's saying that she's not only already the Dem nominee,

but she's a hotshot who can put the white house and the current President of the US on notice, that they'd better get their act together because she's coming, and she's IMPORTANT. More important than they are.

And her focus groups have come up with a sound byte for her - that she can of course immediately ignore once she's rightfully elected President.

Because if anyone doesn't already know what Hillary Clinton represents - in terms of fracking, war, banking and economic and war pillaging, then they're brain dead.