2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Debbie Wasserman Schultz and DNC oppose voter suppression strategies...
then, why Hillary?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Needs every vote they can muster to remain in power.
That the voters are mere pawns in this process is of no consequence to those with power trying to keep their power.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)That's the part that bothers me about the limited number of debates.
Even if Bernie wins the first 4 debates, there is so much time between the 4th debate and the 5th debate, that it would seem that the votes in the primaries in the states between the 4th debate and 5th debate would wind up being more or less split between those two major candidates, and cause a longer Democratic primary election season.
Seems to me that is the only likely outcome that would benefit the Republicans in 2016.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Control of the Democratic Party.
By limiting debates, they remain in power by ensuring the process is rigged in favor of HRC - the establishment candidate.
Whether HRC wins the election or not is irrelevant; the establishment minions and power brokers keep their jobs or influence or fat consulting contracts.
With Bernie, all of that is in Jeopardy of changing since he may decide to clean the DNC DLC Third Way DWS house.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Please supply a link to this, thank you.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)By limiting access to the ideas of other Democratic candidate. She is doing so by manipulating the debate schedule.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)AgingAmerican
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Keep it up and the GOP will be doing the same -- pointing out ou rdebate schedules and making voter suppression seem as little and nothing as you are.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Nope... no hyperbole here!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but in addition I was particularly referring to joining the GOP in propagandizing not just against our party, but in making light of voter suppression.
Elections are extremely serious business, with potentially uplifting or destructive consequences, not just an opportunity for zealots to flame.
brooklynite
(94,520 posts)The campaign has been running for four months. He's been traveling the country, showing up on TV and getting written about in the papers. His supporters are happy to talk about how he's increasing in the polls, so how is information being suppressed?
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Hillary Clinton's speech at the Texas Southern back in May was an amazing speech on the protection of the right to vote http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/05/opinion/hillary-clinton-voting-rights-and-the-2016-election.html?_r=0
That alarming statistic is the backdrop to efforts by Republicans in recent years to pass state laws that restrict ballot access, a recent Democratic campaign to push back against those laws, and a bold set of proposals that Hillary Rodham Clinton laid out Thursday afternoon in a speech at Texas Southern University, a historically black college in Houston.
In addition to pushing needed and long-overdue reforms, the speech highlighted the yawning gulf on voting rights between Mrs. Clinton and the Republican candidates for the White House, many of whom have been cynically committed to making voting harder for the most vulnerable citizens. What part of democracy are they afraid of? Mrs. Clinton asked.
Most significantly, Mrs. Clinton called for universal and automatic voter registration, which would register every American citizen at 18. This would be a transformative step toward modernizing the nations archaic, error-filled approach to registering voters.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Her record speaks for itself.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)by telling them that the vote was meaningless so many did not turn out.
Then, after leaving her name on the ballot when Obama and others took their names off (as she should have done) she flip flops and claims that the voters of Michigan must be counted.
She lied and manipulated voters for her own personal gain. She has no credibility on this issue.
P.S. I voted Uncommitted on that ballot just because I knew she was planning on pulling that shit. She is not trustworthy in the least. She should not be our nominee.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)History and the facts do not back up your claim. Clinton did initially commit not to campaign in Michigan but then did campaign. It was Clinton who fought to have the Michigan delegates seated even though Michigan violated DNC rules. Eventually, all of the Michigan delegation was seated. I was supporting Obama at the time and I remember how hard the Clinton camp fought to get Florida and Michigan seated.
It was my understanding that Obama did not campaign at all in Michigan and it was the Obama camp who resisted the seating of the Michigan delegation.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Why would anyone believe anything the establishment says? They've lied about pretty much everything to date. We are where we are because BOTH parties allowed everything that got us here to happen. It wasn't an accident.
Talk about naive.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Someone said the first debate is actually after the deadline to register to vote in NY state.
The establishment want high turnout when it benefits them, but are willing to suppress the vote to hold power.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Democratic Debate is held on Oct. 13th.
September 2015 Dates
Primary: Last day to apply personally for Military ballot for Primary if previously registered. September 9, 2015
Primary: Last day to postmark ballot. Must be received by the County Board no later than Sept 17, 2015 September 9, 2015
Primary: Last day to postmark Military/Special Federal ballot for Primary. Date it must be received by the Board of Elections is September 17,2015. September 9, 2015 -
Primary Election Day September 10, 2015
Primary: Last day to deliver Primary ballot in person to County Board, by close of polls. September 10, 2015 -
October 2015 Dates
General: Change of Party Enrollment:Last day to accept a change of enrollment. Election October 9, 2015 -
General: In Person Registration for General:Last day application must be received by Board of Elections to be eligible to vote in General Election. October 9, 2015
General: Mail Registration for General: Last day to postmark application for General Election and last day it must be received by Board of Elections by Oct.14, 2015. October 9, 2015 -
http://elections.mytimetovote.com/dates/new_york.html
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Debate suppression as a way of keeping people disinterested so they don't vote.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)... you know the rest.
The stench of political corruption is palpable.