It's not complicated: if you don't think Obama's administration has been a disaster --

[pnwmom]

if, in fact, you think he's been doing an excellent job in the face of the recalcitrant Congress -- then you should consider voting for the candidate who served as Obama's secretary of state and who strongly supports the work he's done as President: Hillary Clinton.

[jfern]

1. You mean the one who said "don't do stupid stuff isn't an organizing principle"

and wants a no fly zone where Russian planes are flying in Syria?

No thanks, I side with Bernie and Obama.

Also, John Kerry has accomplished a lot more than Hillary as SoS.

[AtomicKitten]

36. The one that blamed Pres Obama for the rise of ISIS.

Yes siree Bob, that's the one: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/

[Armstead]

2. Obama's not running.

For 35 years we have been sliding further and further into a New Golded Age dur to rotten policies of the GOP which have eitehr been echoed or unchallenged by the Cor[orate Wing of the Democratic Party.

Obama has done the best he could in a really bad situation that resulted from those policies. He could've done better but he had an impossible situatiton handed to him.

Most importantly, Obama is not running for office this time.

[pnwmom]

3. And without major changes in Congress why is there any reason to think

any Democratic President would do better than Obama?

And yet we have DUers arguing that we should cut off support to the DNC -- which helps support candidates in key races.

[jkbRN]

5. they [DNC] only support the candidate the establishment wants,

of course we should oppose them, because that is NOT the basis of being democratic

[pnwmom]

9. They support candidates who can win in the district they're in. In conservative districts,

a more moderate or centrist Democrat has a better chance.

When we lost most of our "DINOs" we lost our Senate and House majorities.

[jkbRN]

12. who does?

You mean the superdelegates that DO NOT have to represent the popular vote in their districts? Get a grip.

Superdelegates are not bound to represent the popular vote of a region at the Democratic National Convention; they are free to support any candidate for the nomination. The Republican Party does not have superdelegates.

Source: http://www.infoplease.com/us/government/superdelegates.html

Didn't know I would ever see the day where republicans are more democratic than the democrats.

[pnwmom]

14. When did I talk about super-delegates? I'm talking about the DNC supporting

Democrats running for Congress.

[jkbRN]

19. Really? Have you read your own post?

It's not complicated: if you don't think Obama's administration has been a disaster --

if, in fact, you think he's been doing an excellent job in the face of the recalcitrant Congress -- then you should consider voting for the candidate who served as Obama's secretary of state and who strongly supports the work he's done as President: Hillary Clinton.

Per your comment;

Good for the DNC supporting democratic congress members or people who run--I am talking about is that the DNC nomination process is corrupt and that goes downstream to congress, who they elect, and therefore effects who is a superdelegate and how/why they effect presidential elections.

So yes, it is connected.

[leveymg]

28. You seem to be unaware that Obama graciously accepted her resignation

Petraeus, on the other hand, was prosecuted. It's only a matter of time for her. The depth of the CIA and State Dept. policy failures across the Mideast are only now beginning to be publicly understood.

There is no future for her in American government after such a failure.

[brooklynite]

16. Thats why Bernie Sanders comes to DSCC events?

[jkbRN]

17. Um, yeah he's running for the party nomination

.................. still waiting for your point

Just because he is running for the nomination and therefore attending events doesn't mean that the electoral system is not COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY CORRUPT.

[brooklynite]

44. He's been working with DSCC for years...

...long before running for President came up,

[Armstead]

8. You are correct. But that is a (somewhat) seperate issue.

Need more Democrats in Congress (and in state offices) no matter who is elected President. I agree.

[jkbRN]

13. Totally agree

[jkbRN]

4. oh god

[stevenleser]

35. See post #23. nt

[beam me up scottie]

6. Why continue to veer right with Clinton? Do you think that's a good thing?

And since Republicans have blocked everything Obama tried to do why do you believe they'd do anything different with Hillary in office?

Obama did the best he could but why should we keep turning to the right instead of the left?

Do you have any valid reasons why we should vote for Hillary?

[questionseverything]

7. one of obamas biggest accomplishments is letting the middle class keep the lower tax rate

from the bush era while raising taxes on the 1%ers

the tax rates from the clinton years for middle class people was much higher,too darn high,,,,,i do not want the clintons back in office taxing the wrong people again

[dsc]

31. apparently you didn't live in the 1990's nor do you have a history book

Clinton didn't increase taxes on the middle class, not the rates or in any other way. He did famously promise a middle class tax cut which he didn't implement but he didn't raise the taxes of the middle class.

[doc03]

38. Yes he did he raised the taxable amount of SS from 50% to

85% of your benefit.

[questionseverything]

40. i did not say he raised them , i said the tax rates for the middle class were too darn high from the

clinton years

from 2000

0-26,250=15% now 0-9225=10%

26,250-63,550=28% now 9225-37,450=15%

63,550-132,600=31% now 37,450-90,750=25%

a single can make up to 90 grand now and pay a lower rate(25%) than a single making 26 to 63 grand a year did in the clinton years(28%)

and this is after everyone pays ss

i stand by what i said before, one of the best things obama has done for the middle class is let us keep the tax cuts for lower incomes while raising taxes on the higher incomes

[wyldwolf]

10. Bernie Sanders is, in fact, running against Barack Obama...

... or you'd get that impression if DU was your only source of information.

[Stellar]

11. I'm only going to support...

the person that will show strong support for the BLM movement. Too bad Senator Elizabeth Warren is not running for President because she would be the ONE.

[artislife]

15. It is possible to be a Sanders and Obama supporter

I support the best candidate each election.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. The fact that she's taking money from private prison lobbyists doesn't reassure me regarding

how she can be expected to handle the failed drug war.

But, yes, electing Hillary Clinton means most likely a status quo Democrat administration. Which is fine, but not exactly super-inspiring.

The primaries are the time to hash out who we are and what we stand for, as a party. Some of us think we could do better.

If she's the nominee, I'll support her. But she's not the nominee, yet.

[one_voice]

20. I will miss Obama when he leaves office...

I didn't agree with some of his policies and decisions he made; but I really like him and I think he's been a very good president.

[artislife]

27. Me too!

I am very interested in the next chapter of his life. I see it as a man without bounds. He could be unfettered and in charge!

[HooptieWagon]

22. It's been a disaster for many people.

The poor and working classes, the middle class that have been losing economic ground, students who can't afford college, people who have been spied on by NSA, whistleblowers who've been harassed and arrested, people who's shorelines and land has been polluted, people dying in war, people being killed by out of control cops.
The 1% don't have to worry about any of that, and they've gotten the entire wealth restored in the economic recovery. If you support the 1%, and think they deserve more, then by all means vote for HRH.

[OilemFirchen]

23. At the risk of repeating myself...

I'll repeat myself:

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. I look at Libya and Syria and think... yup; disaster.

I think those two places are a disaster that led to a worldwide refugee crisis.

[awoke_in_2003]

25. I don't think his administration has been a disaster...

and I will vote for HRC if she wins the primary.

[ucrdem]

26. Makes sense to me.

Add to that the fact that a vote for Bernie is, practically speaking, a vote for our second Catholic president, this one named Jeb not Jack, and the logic is rather inescapable. But logic doesn't count for a lot in the strange land of DU primary wars.

[Vinca]

29. I hope you realize the recalcitrant Congress would be the same and more so under Hillary.

In fact, I think the one thing the GOP hates more than Obama is Hillary.

[PowerToThePeople]

30. Translation: vote for more moderate Republicans

[Stellar]

33. I'm confused: Back in the 1980's Obama said he would have been considered a Moderate Republican in

Venezuela? Why did they pose the question on the screen and not let us hear the Question? They might have been asking a whole other question, it's hard for me to tell what he was responding to..

[SidDithers]

32. DU rec...

If I said what I thought about those who think Obama has been a "disaster", I'd surely get hidden.

So you'll just have to use your imagination.

Sid

[GoneOffShore]

34. Not a disaster on the scale of the Shrub, but a disappointment.

And certainly not the DOMA, NAFTA, Welfare "reform", etc, etc, legacy that Clinton gave us.
Sure, he's had a recalcitrant Congress, but had he encouraged the 50 state strategy he might have had a better half-term election result. And then, and then, a different Congress.

Essentially, it's taken him six years to "find his feet" on a lot of issues and also to realize that 'reaching across the aisle' to the TeaBaggers doesn't work.

But, unless she gets the nomination, which I'm seriously hoping, hoping, hoping she doesn't, I'm going to be supporting Bernie Sanders.

Better policies, better voting record, better all around candidate. And one who can win, and bring a Democratic Congress with him.

[aikoaiko]

37. What a sad comment to frame your candidate as "not a disaster."

But for what it's worth I don't see HRC ending up equal to or to the left of Obama.

I don't think she is nearly as liberal leaning as Obama.

[AgingAmerican]

39. I think he's good on some stuff and not so good on others

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. I considered voting for Hillary, then I laughed about it, then I put it on the No Way shelf.

[last1standing]

42. So if we want more bailouts for banks and foreclosures for people we should vote for Hillary?

I couldn't agree more.

[MineralMan]

43. Sadly, many do think it has been a disaster.

We've been seeing that here since his first day in office, and ever since.

That's no surprise to anyone who reads DU regularly.

I haven't looked at who has posted that sentiment to compare it to who supports Sanders and vilifies Clinton. It might be interesting, though, to do that.

I don't have time or interest, though. I'm supporting Hillary Clinton, because I think she is our best chance to keep Republicans from gaining control of all three branches of Federal Government. If we fail in doing that, pretty much all will be lost for decades, perhaps.

That is my primary concern.

[Motown_Johnny]

45. Because Hillary has nothing of her own to run on.. right?

Nice try, but 4 years as Sec. of State does not entitle her to the entire Obama legacy.


She is a terrible candidate.