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Bernie's D- rating from the NRA is the lowest of any recent major Vermont politician (Original Post) jfern Oct 2015 OP
Ok. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #1
Let them clutch their pearls AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #2
This might explain why gun deaths outpaced auto deaths in Vermont in 2011. stone space Oct 2015 #3
Or they are very safe drivers....nt artislife Oct 2015 #17
That's a political rating, we all know that. He was once the NRAs "candidate of choice" and uponit7771 Oct 2015 #4
That's a misleading comment jfern Oct 2015 #6
That one thing MAY BE misleading but Sanders overall record on guns isn't, voted against the uponit7771 Oct 2015 #9
He has a D-, so yes he's voted occasionally for guns jfern Oct 2015 #12
More for than not, overall... I'm surprised this is an issue, it's like Hillary trying to run from uponit7771 Oct 2015 #20
LOL, no jfern Oct 2015 #24
Yeah, that's why he has a D- rating. cui bono Oct 2015 #31
Sigh, he was once the NRA "candidate of choice" when the NRA wasn't ran by assholes and the D uponit7771 Oct 2015 #32
Where did he say he "likes guns"? Link please? Tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #35
He said it through his record of being the NRAs "Candidate Of Choice" and voting against the Brday uponit7771 Oct 2015 #42
So he never said that? Did he ever brag about shootin him some ducks like Hillary? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #43
Come to think of it he better like guns instead of overtly pandering and I don't care what... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #46
So Hillary is a hunter who likes guns and you still call Bernie the pandering gun nut? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #48
No, I'm NOT calling Sanders a stone thrower... . He can't throw a stone no matter... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #51
You claimed he likes guns but he never said that - Hillary is the one who likes them. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #53
I changed it to he better like guns either than or he's pandering and taking a position just for uponit7771 Oct 2015 #55
So he's somehow worse than Hillary who both likes guns and panders to other gun likers? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #61
Or ... he better like guns or he's pandering for the sake of votes... he's human, like Hillary uponit7771 Oct 2015 #62
Except he never said he likes guns and he does represent Vermonters who do. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #64
His deeds speak louder than words... and so do his votes... I'm sure Sanders votes 100% on his... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #66
You're going to need a bigger shovel. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #67
I wouldn't vote against the Brady Bill so no I don't uponit7771 Oct 2015 #69
You're right, you need something that can handle that load: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #70
Sigh, that is another talking point. That the NRA likes Sanders. cui bono Oct 2015 #36
Sure did in 1990... facts are facts people, it's public record uponit7771 Oct 2015 #52
And yet you don't post the facts. cui bono Oct 2015 #71
this is false uponit7771 Oct 2015 #72
Oh, sorry then. I guess I missed them. Can you point me to that post? cui bono Oct 2015 #73
Yes it is: Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #15
Questions about Hillary's past relationship with guns: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #19
Hillary can do no more wrong, cause she's already done it all... She's not holding herself up as uponit7771 Oct 2015 #21
LOL! What a great slogan: Hillary 2016: because she's already done everything wrong! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #22
Yes, cause she's doing something... and in doing something she'd going to get some crap wrong.. uponit7771 Oct 2015 #23
My goodness you sound bitter, so much hatred for the progressive Senator from Vermont. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #25
Criticism isn't hatred :-) uponit7771 Oct 2015 #34
Calling a pro-gun control Senator a "gumper" and a "gun nut" isn't criticism. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #37
I agree, it's calling him what he is... You don't get to be the NRA's "Candidate Of Choice" by being uponit7771 Oct 2015 #40
I disagree, anyone who thinks Bernie fits one of those definitions is either ignorant or a moron. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #41
Whatever, his record on guns is public and so is the NRA "Candidate of Choice" designation.... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #44
When did the NRA call him their "Candidate of Choice"? Link please. Tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #45
1990 when they helped him get elected over the Republican because of the republicans uponit7771 Oct 2015 #49
Where does it say the NRA called him their "Candidate of Choice"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #50
Word smithing is aother indicator of a weak position, they supported the guy in 1990 who cares what uponit7771 Oct 2015 #54
So they never called him that, you made it up in other words. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #56
I paraphrased, would it be better to say Sanders was "Their Guy"!?!? REALLY!?!?! uponit7771 Oct 2015 #57
What's ridiculous is trying to pretend he's the NRA's "guy" "Candidate of Choice" a "gun nut" etc. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #58
NRA Supported Sanders in 1990, everything else is syntax. Sanders voting record overall has been uponit7771 Oct 2015 #59
His overall record is pro-gun control but keep shoveling that er... dirt! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #68
Now you are citing the American Conservative? Bjorn Against Oct 2015 #10
Ok, I'll change it a left wing source would that have you address the post more or obfuscate uponit7771 Oct 2015 #11
Bernie voted for an assault weapons ban Bjorn Against Oct 2015 #13
I'll save you the trouble: Bernie's Gun Control Critics Are Wrong—His Stance Has Been Consistent beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #14
Another: Bernie Sanders’ critics misfire: The Vermont senator’s gun record is better than it looks beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #16
Are you perfectly happy with Annie Oakley's history? nt artislife Oct 2015 #18
No of course not but I don't distrust her changes no more than I distrust Sanders. I honestly think uponit7771 Oct 2015 #30
Misogyny...got it artislife Oct 2015 #33
Unfortunately you don't run the US media, they're overtly misogynistic assholes uponit7771 Oct 2015 #38
of course she can't be treated the same as any guy Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #60
I wouldn't call a whole political parties agenda on an investigation just to drag her numbers down.. uponit7771 Oct 2015 #65
Wait, I read on DU that the NRA gives an F to "anyone who hasn't personally shot up a school". beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #5
Howard Dean killed half of Iowa schoolchildren after his scream jfern Oct 2015 #7
It must be true, I read it here! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #8
He was able to sneak up on them because the scream popped their eardrums! cui bono Oct 2015 #28
here you go Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #63
Why did he get a D rating? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #29
There are not that many politicians in Vermont shenmue Oct 2015 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #47
Hm... Dean had an A and when he endorsed Hillary there was much rejoicing. cui bono Oct 2015 #27
Comparative truths are seldom around during the political season. mmonk Oct 2015 #74
kick jfern Oct 2015 #75

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
4. That's a political rating, we all know that. He was once the NRAs "candidate of choice" and
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 06:56 PM
Oct 2015

...

Sanders’s record on gun legislation is somewhat mixed. He used to be a National Rifle Association candidate of choice, but these days, given his support for tepid gun-control measures, he’s persona non grata with the NRA. Even so, Sanders has been opposed for the most part to greater government oversight of ownership and sale of firearms. During his long tenure in Congress—for 16 years in the House of Representatives before being elected to the Senate in 2006—Sanders opposed universal background checks, and after the Sandy Hook killings in 2012 he said that even the strongest gun-control law would not have prevented a massacre of innocents.


http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/bernie-sanders-gets-his-gun/

jfern

(5,204 posts)
6. That's a misleading comment
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:01 PM
Oct 2015

It make you think he opposed background checks since Sandy Hook, which is certainly false.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
9. That one thing MAY BE misleading but Sanders overall record on guns isn't, voted against the
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:06 PM
Oct 2015

... Brady bill and hold gun manufacturers responsible for making a dangerous item more dangerous.

Sanders stance on guns is well known

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
20. More for than not, overall... I'm surprised this is an issue, it's like Hillary trying to run from
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

her Iraq war vote.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
32. Sigh, he was once the NRA "candidate of choice" when the NRA wasn't ran by assholes and the D
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:08 PM
Oct 2015

... rating was political not one that they gave because he earned it.

Sanders likes guns, like his constituents ... running from that stance is out of character

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
42. He said it through his record of being the NRAs "Candidate Of Choice" and voting against the Brday
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:18 PM
Oct 2015

... bill.

Do Sanders supporters just want to present the guy as the perfect?!

Or that he can throw a stone!?

He can't, in this area Sanders doesn't get the highest marks... so what... I don't expect perfection

This is why he's being set up for failure, shit... if people are defending his obvious negatives what are they going to do with the rest of them!?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
46. Come to think of it he better like guns instead of overtly pandering and I don't care what...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:23 PM
Oct 2015

... Hillary says she shoots or if she wears pants suites or if her hair is blonde one day and brunette the other.

Small shit that doesn't matter....

Sanders life stance on guns does matter to me

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
48. So Hillary is a hunter who likes guns and you still call Bernie the pandering gun nut?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:25 PM
Oct 2015
Clinton's Hunting History

WAUSAU, WIS. -- At a campaign stop this afternoon, Hillary Clinton's focus was on the economy and health care but some in the crowd had other things on their minds. Clinton was asked to discuss gun control which prompted Clinton to talk about her days holding a rifle in the cold, shallow waters in backwoods Arkansas.

"I've hunted. My father taught me how to hunt. I went duck hunting in Arkansas. I remember standing in that cold water, so cold, at first light. I was with a bunch of my friends, all men. The sun's up, the ducks are flying and they are playing a trick on me. They said, 'we're not going to shoot, you shoot.' They wanted to embarrass me. The pressure was on. So I shot, and I shot a banded duck and they were surprised as I was," Clinton said drawing laughter from the crowd.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clintons-hunting-history/

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
51. No, I'm NOT calling Sanders a stone thrower... . He can't throw a stone no matter...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:39 PM
Oct 2015

... what comes out of his mouth in the areas he's criticized others in.

I don't see the difference that's worth the risk

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
53. You claimed he likes guns but he never said that - Hillary is the one who likes them.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:41 PM
Oct 2015

Seems to me you're the one throwing stones at Bernie from Hillary's glass shooting range.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
55. I changed it to he better like guns either than or he's pandering and taking a position just for
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:43 PM
Oct 2015

.... votes something that's a negative for Hillary

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
61. So he's somehow worse than Hillary who both likes guns and panders to other gun likers?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:56 PM
Oct 2015


Or it could be that he was representing his constituents because that's his fucking job?





beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
64. Except he never said he likes guns and he does represent Vermonters who do.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:58 PM
Oct 2015

Keep digging, this is hillaryous!


uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
66. His deeds speak louder than words... and so do his votes... I'm sure Sanders votes 100% on his...
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:01 AM
Oct 2015

... convictions.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
36. Sigh, that is another talking point. That the NRA likes Sanders.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:13 PM
Oct 2015

And yeah, where did he say he likes guns?

He is voted in to represent his constituency. Vermont is mostly country area, gun ownership there is not the same as gun ownership in a metropolitan area. So considering his constituency probably has a lot of hunters in it it's pretty good that he got a D- from the NRA.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. Yes it is: Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:21 PM
Oct 2015
Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban

WASHINGTON, April 17 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today voted for expanded background checks on gun buyers and for a ban on assault weapons but the Senate rejected those central planks of legislation inspired by the shootings of 20 first-grade students and six teachers in Newtown, Conn.

“Nobody believes that gun control by itself is going to end the horrors we have seen in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., Tucson, Ariz. and other American communities,” Sanders said. “There is a growing consensus, however, in Vermont and across America that we have got to do as much as we can to end the cold-blooded, mass murders of innocent people. I believe very strongly that we also have got to address the mental health crisis in our country and make certain that help is available for people who may be a danger to themselves and others,” Sanders added.

The amendment on expanded background checks needed 60 votes to pass but only 54 senators voted for it. “To my mind it makes common sense to keep these weapons out of the hands of people with criminal records or mental health histories,” Sanders said.

Under current federal law, background checks are not performed for tens of thousands of sales – up to 40 percent of all gun transfers – at gun shows or over the Internet. The amendment would have required background checks for all gun sales in commercial settings regardless of whether the seller is a licensed dealer. The compromise proposal would have exempted sales between “family, friends, and neighbors.”

In a separate roll call, the Senate rejected a proposal to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. That proposal was defeated by a vote of 60 to 40.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. Questions about Hillary's past relationship with guns:
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:42 PM
Oct 2015

Is it safe to assume now that she has completely divested from Walmart to free herself so she can advocate for gun control?

Isn't Walmart now and weren't they when she sat on the BOD, this country's largest firearms and ammo retailer?

Have you ever asked yourself if any of the firearms or ammo sold by Walmart during her tenure and or while being a shareholder, had been used in mass shootings?

Did she have mixed feelings during the lead up to the Brady Bill vote knowing she was profiting from the sale of firearms as a shareholder?

Do you think it is in her best interest that her supporters are making such a big issue about Bernie Sanders position on whether firearms manufactures should be held liable for firearms deaths and not also focusing on all who are profiting or have profited from firearms sales, including Hillary Clinton herself?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
21. Hillary can do no more wrong, cause she's already done it all... She's not holding herself up as
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:35 PM
Oct 2015

... the standard of all progressivism and promising pink unicorns through congress like Sanders is.

Today on MTP he couldn't answer practically (except for some millions of people platitude) how he'd deal with congress who's gerrymandered and doesn't answer to the people.

Not worth taking a chance on right now

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
23. Yes, cause she's doing something... and in doing something she'd going to get some crap wrong..
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:43 PM
Oct 2015

... Sanders has been in congress or government for over 30 years and there are swaths of America who don't know who he is.

How is that?!!??!

Al Sharpton is more well known than Sanders...

Sanders hasn't been the person he wants Obama to be and that's what bothers me most about his Obama criticism ...

Sanders wasn't leading a million person march in favor of single payer even in his own damn state!!!!

and thinking 1234123 trillion people will persuade a republican isn't wishful thinking or naive, it's just talking shit.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
25. My goodness you sound bitter, so much hatred for the progressive Senator from Vermont.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:48 PM
Oct 2015

And all because he dared challenge Hillary on her way to the coronation.

Tsk.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
37. Calling a pro-gun control Senator a "gumper" and a "gun nut" isn't criticism.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:14 PM
Oct 2015
Gun nut

Gun nut is a snarl word referring to a person (often, but not always, male and Republican, and usually in the United States, though they exist elsewhere) who not only believes in the right to keep and bear arms, but makes a point of doing so with gusto.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gun_nut


gun nut

1. A person who takes a keen interest in firearms and ammunition, possibly including the study, peer discussion, ownership, bearing and use thereof - usually used playingly by oneself or by other firearms enthusiasts in this sense. Often associates with people with similar interests.

2. A person who takes seemingly morbid interest in firearms out of a belief that they provide protection, security and freedom while appearing scary to the uninitiated - usually used derogatively by non-gun people, particularly those who are scared of firearms.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gun+nut

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
40. I agree, it's calling him what he is... You don't get to be the NRA's "Candidate Of Choice" by being
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:15 PM
Oct 2015

... meily mouth about guns

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
41. I disagree, anyone who thinks Bernie fits one of those definitions is either ignorant or a moron.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:17 PM
Oct 2015

The Slate author who called him that is a tool.


uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
44. Whatever, his record on guns is public and so is the NRA "Candidate of Choice" designation....
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:20 PM
Oct 2015

... the rest of it is nicking at pits

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
49. 1990 when they helped him get elected over the Republican because of the republicans
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:34 PM
Oct 2015

... switch on assault weapons ban.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html

As a candidate in 1990, Sanders won over gun rights groups by promising to oppose one bill they hated — a measure that would establish a waiting period for handgun sales.


But lets continue this whole conversation as if Sanders has a stance on guns that's totally in line with the DNC.....

if that makes you feel better.

Grass is still green

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
50. Where does it say the NRA called him their "Candidate of Choice"?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:36 PM
Oct 2015

That's the talking point you've glommed onto and I have yet to see proof that they called him that.

Try again.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
54. Word smithing is aother indicator of a weak position, they supported the guy in 1990 who cares what
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:42 PM
Oct 2015

... the designation was.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
57. I paraphrased, would it be better to say Sanders was "Their Guy"!?!? REALLY!?!?!
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:48 PM
Oct 2015

... somehow that changes anything?!

Whatever man, 1990 he was supported by the Taliban ... er... uh the NRA because of his pro gun stances and now it's down to wording in regards to his overall stance on guns.

This is ridiculous.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
58. What's ridiculous is trying to pretend he's the NRA's "guy" "Candidate of Choice" a "gun nut" etc.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:51 PM
Oct 2015

when his pro-gun control record is right there for everyone to see.

You keep flinging feces but it's not sticking, time to find another meme, this one's dead.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
59. NRA Supported Sanders in 1990, everything else is syntax. Sanders voting record overall has been
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:55 PM
Oct 2015

... for gun manufacturers and guns... everything else is syntax.

His record is there for everyone to see, including his vote against the Brady Bill.

Everything is ...

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
11. Ok, I'll change it a left wing source would that have you address the post more or obfuscate
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:09 PM
Oct 2015

... with some other red herring about Sanders gun record no matter how factual the source (which you havne't stated where they're wrong)

tia

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
13. Bernie voted for an assault weapons ban
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:17 PM
Oct 2015

I have seen Bernie's record in which he has supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures, those who try to portray him as a gun nut are liars whether they are on the right or the left.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. I'll save you the trouble: Bernie's Gun Control Critics Are Wrong—His Stance Has Been Consistent
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:19 PM
Oct 2015
Alternet: Bernie's Gun Control Critics Are Wrong—His Stance Has Been Consistent for Decades

Next, the 1990 debate turned to gun control. The moderator, who clearly was a Second Amendment absolutist, went after Bernie—to test his mettle after Smith’s about-face.

“Do you support additional restrictions on firearms? Do you support additional restrictive firearms legislation?” he asked. “Bernie Sanders, explain yourself, yes or no?”

“Yes,” he replied. “Two years ago, I went before the Vermont Sportsman’s Federation and was asked exactly the same question. It was a controversial question. I know how they felt on the issue. And that was before the DiConcini Bill. That was before a lot of discussion about the Brady Bill. That was before New Jersey and California passed bills limiting assault weapons.

“I went before the sportsmen of Vermont and said that I have concerns about certain types of assault weapons that have nothing to do with hunting. I believe in hunting. I will not support any legislation that limits the rights of Vermonters or any other hunters to practice what they have enjoyed for decades. I do have concerns about certain types of assault weapons.”

That was not the end of his remarks. But it is worth noting that his separating the rights of traditional hunters from the concerns of police chiefs has been a constant thread in many subsequent votes he would take in Congress. It’s also noteworthy that Bernie consistently has opposed assault weapons from the late 1980s—before he was in Congress—which he reiterated to the moderator.

“I said that before the election,” he continued. “The Vermont sportspeople, as is their right, made their endorsement. The endorsed Peter Smith. They endorsed Paul Poirier. I lost that election by about three-and-one-half percentage points, a very close election. Was my failure to get that endorsement pivotal? It might have been. We don’t know. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn’t. All I can say is I told the sportspeople of Vermont what I believe before the election and I am going to say it again.

“I do believe we need to ban certain types of assault weapons. I have taked to police chiefs. I have talked to the police officers out on the street. I have read some of the literature all over this country. Police chiefs, police officers are concerned about the types of weapons which are ending up in the hands of drug dealers and other criminals and our police oficers are getting outgunned.

As has been the case in Sanders’ 2016 presidential campaign, he was accused by Smith in 1990 of taking some positions held by the NRA—opposing some gun controls. He didn’t take that bait. Bernie stood by his defense the rights of rural hunters, and in his closing statement did what he always does—turn the conversation toward what he thinks is the most relevant and big picture issue.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernies-gun-control-critics-are-wrong-his-stance-has-been-consistent-decades

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. Another: Bernie Sanders’ critics misfire: The Vermont senator’s gun record is better than it looks
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:23 PM
Oct 2015
Bernie Sanders’ critics misfire: The Vermont senator’s gun record is better than it looks

....However, the Nation and the other reports like it don’t shed real light on where Sanders is coming from. They don’t explain why he supports some gun controls but not others. Nor do they ask if there’s a consistency to Sanders’ positions and votes over the years? They simply suggest that Bernie’s position is muddled and makes a good target for Hillary.

Yet there is an explanation. It’s consistent and simpler than many pundits think. And it’s in Bernie’s own words dating back to the campaign where he was first elected to the U.S. House—in 1990—where he was endorsed by the NRA, even after Sanders told them that he would ban assault rifles. That year, Bernie faced Republican incumbent Peter Smith, who beat him by less than 4 percentage points in a three-way race two years before.

In that 1988 race, Bernie told Vermont sportsmen that he backed an assault weapons ban. Smith told the same sportsmen’s groups that he opposed it, but midway through his first term he changed his mind and co-sponsored an assault rifle ban—even bringing an AK-47 to his press conference. That about-face was seen as a betrayal and is the background to a June 1990 debate sponsored by the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs.

I was at that debate with Smith and three other candidates—as the Sanders’ campaign press secretary—and recorded it. Bernie spoke at length three times and much of what he said is relevant today, and anticipates his congressional record on gun control ever since. Look at how Bernie describes what being a sportsperson is in a rural state, where he is quick to draw the line with weapons that threaten police and have no legitimate use in hunting—he previously was mayor of Vermont’s biggest city, and his record of being very clear with the gun lobby and rural people about where he stands. His approach, despite the Nation’s characterization, isn’t “open-minded.”

As you can see, Bernie—who moved to rural northeastern Vermont in the late 1960s—has an appreciation and feeling for where hunting and fishing fit into the lives of lower income rural people. He’s not a hunter or a fisherman. When he grew up in Brooklyn, he was a nerdy jock—being captivated by ideas and a high school miler who hoped for a track scholarship for college. But like many people who settled in Vermont for generations, he was drawn to its freer and greener pastures and respected its local culture.

“I went before the sportsmen of Vermont and said that I have concerns about certain types of assault weapons that have nothing to do with hunting. I believe in hunting. I will not support any legislation that limits the rights of Vermonters or any other hunters to practice what they have enjoyed for decades. I do have concerns about certain types of assault weapons.”

That was not the end of his remarks. But it is worth noting that his separating the rights of traditional hunters from the concerns of police chiefs has been a constant thread in many subsequent votes he would take in Congress. It’s also noteworthy that Bernie consistently has opposed assault weapons from the late 1980s—before he was in Congress—which he reiterated to the moderator.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/10/what_bernies_gun_control_critics_get_wrong_partner/

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
30. No of course not but I don't distrust her changes no more than I distrust Sanders. I honestly think
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:06 PM
Oct 2015

... her term as SOS has changed her character and a good portion of the criticism is because she's a woman seeing a good portion of her male counterparts haven't done any worse or better in some areas.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
33. Misogyny...got it
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:09 PM
Oct 2015

trust me, I don't think of her a woman first. Especially the way it was far too easy for her to the promote bombing of women and children.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
60. of course she can't be treated the same as any guy
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:56 PM
Oct 2015

she must be protected right? Are you saying she is to weak to take any criticism?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
65. I wouldn't call a whole political parties agenda on an investigation just to drag her numbers down..
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:59 PM
Oct 2015

... criticism.

Come to think of it, she's been doing damn good relative to the attacks against her.

To get her numbers down and Bernies up polls have to throw in someone who's not even running yet

we'll see

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. Wait, I read on DU that the NRA gives an F to "anyone who hasn't personally shot up a school".
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 06:58 PM
Oct 2015

You mean that poster was wrong???



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