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Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:26 AM Aug 2012

Should the president & Dems come out indisputably against benefit cuts?

Now running against SS recipient who outspokenly wants to destroy SS. Should Obama (and other Dems) go on the record against any benefit cuts (since both programs are healthy and desperately needed)? Or should they avoid the discussion like they always do?


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Yes - On the record for no benefit cuts or privatization
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No - Don't make any promises
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Should the president & Dems come out indisputably against benefit cuts? (Original Post) Doctor_J Aug 2012 OP
Yes, an assurance not a promise. orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #1
Ah, a "3rd Way" Dem I see Doctor_J Aug 2012 #2
You know what they say orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #3
Why should they? great white snark Aug 2012 #4
And after we are all convinced that America is completly broke Teamster Jeff Aug 2012 #6
Because, as I say in the OP, Doctor_J Aug 2012 #8
Yes they should Teamster Jeff Aug 2012 #5
Not Just Yes, Doctor, Fuck Yes.... The Magistrate Aug 2012 #7
Exactly. Doctor_J Aug 2012 #9
Yes (nt) bigwillq Aug 2012 #10
'avoid the discussion like they always do'? Whisp Aug 2012 #11
Ryan's plan calls for deep cuts to SS and Medicare. Doctor_J Aug 2012 #12
just use the google, it's on the intertubes... Whisp Aug 2012 #13
Sorry. You must have Doctor_J Aug 2012 #15
Sorry. You must have Whisp Aug 2012 #16
Kick Doctor_J Aug 2012 #14
Hell, yes. I'd go so far as to say that they should advocate for Medicare for all. n/t gkhouston Aug 2012 #17

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
4. Why should they?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:10 PM
Aug 2012

Democrats know they will be responsible about it if any cuts are needed and no proclamation would ever be indisputable enough for the disgruntled left.

Teamster Jeff

(1,598 posts)
6. And after we are all convinced that America is completly broke
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:18 PM
Aug 2012

then I guess "cuts are needed". Why not work for a way to raise and expand benefits?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
8. Because, as I say in the OP,
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:56 PM
Aug 2012

the programs are healthy, popular, and crucial. It would draw a stark line between the president and the Repukes. And it would also throw a bone to the real Dems, who were abandoned by the admin the week after they took office. Maybe for once Obama should try to rally his base instead of attracting a few "centrists" (right wingers).

Teamster Jeff

(1,598 posts)
5. Yes they should
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:12 PM
Aug 2012

However, I believe that Obama's "Grand Bargain" is still on the table. Even if they did come out against benefit cuts would you believe them? It's more likely that they will "save SS and Medicare" by cutting benefits

The Magistrate

(95,124 posts)
7. Not Just Yes, Doctor, Fuck Yes....
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:23 PM
Aug 2012

Romney is running for the office in order to raid and loot the largest pension fund in the country; the dynamics of opposing this require solid promises to the voting public.

"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
9. Exactly.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:57 PM
Aug 2012

The president should try draw a stark contrast between himself and the teabaggers, instead of positioning himself a hair to the left of them.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
11. 'avoid the discussion like they always do'?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 01:10 PM
Aug 2012

what bullshit.

I am sure that Obama already cut SS, didn't he? He put it on the table and chop chop chop - you could hear that chopping sound clear across the country he was so professionally butcherlike.
At least according to a couple of bullhorns here at DU a while back.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
12. Ryan's plan calls for deep cuts to SS and Medicare.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:20 PM
Aug 2012

Has any Dem made a campaign issue of this, by saying it won't happen if Dems are elected? No. So, as usual, they avoid the issue

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
13. just use the google, it's on the intertubes...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:39 PM
Aug 2012

Protecting & Strengthening Social Security

President Obama believes that all seniors should be able to retire with dignity, not just a privileged few. And, he believes that all Americans deserve to know that, if they become disabled or if they lose the breadwinner in the family, Social Security will be there to protect them. Today, nearly 54 million Americans receive Social Security benefits, including 38 million retirees and their family members, 10 million Americans with disabilities and their dependents, and 6 million survivors of deceased workers.

For many of these Americans, Social Security is a key source of income. In fact, for more than half of Social Security recipients aged 65 or over, the program provides over 50 percent of their family income and, because of its lifetime income protection and survivors benefits, Social Security is particularly important for elderly women. . Moreover, the program is not just for seniors. Because of features like survivors benefits, Social Security is one of the largest antipoverty programs for children, and disability benefits also help younger workers and their families and are particularly important to minority communities.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/seniors-and-social-security

is this avoiding the issue? or do you mean Obama hasn't made a new SS speech since Ryan has been named?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
15. Sorry. You must have
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 06:40 PM
Aug 2012

accidentally deleted the part where they pledge not to cut benefits. If you will reread the OP you will see that that was the question.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
16. Sorry. You must have
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:34 PM
Aug 2012

missed the many times the President did say that.

But I'm not your bloodhound googler, if you really are interested, you will find it.

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