Seriously CNN? You work for Hillary now?

[CoffeeCat]

CNN Top Headline: "Poised, Passionate and in Command"
Subheadline: "Clinton Triumphs in Debate as Rivals Compete to Lose."

Compete to lose?

I listened to the debate and I actually thought Hillary and Sanders did a fine job. They both were able to elucidate their main points, and the debate was primarily civil.

All of the post-debate polls (which were self-selected, online polls) had Sanders as the runaway winner. Those polls aren't scientific, but they do illustrate that Sanders did very well--at least as well as Clinton.

Today, I peruse the headlines and I am shocked at what I see. The mainstream, corporate media has decided that they are the Public Relations wing of Hillary Clinton's campaign. To summarize the entire debate with the headline, "Poised, Passionate and in Command" about Hillary isn't journalism. It's egregious kow towing to one candidate.

And the subhead, "Clinton Triumps in Debate as Rivals Compete to Lose." I mean...seriously. CNN has all ready called the race, I guess--because everyone up there--including Sanders, is just competing to lose. This is crazy.

And this...THIS is why I can't support Hillary. She is so entrenched with corporate interests who are salivating like wolves on their haunches for a Clinton victory.

Time Warner owns CNN, and they are one of Hillary Clinton's top ten donors. And now they write headlines leveraging her as if she walked on water--and denigrate her competitors as fools who are "competing to lose."

Who really knows who won the debate--it's very subjective. Sanders and Clinton both did very well. However, the prize for horrendously corrupting the political process with big, corporate money goes to Hillary Clinton.

Shameful.

[hrmjustin]

1. Damn them, damn them!

[daleanime]

3. Be nice....

they just doing what they're payed to do.

[CoffeeCat]

10. I'm paid? LOL!

Ha! I wish!

Hillary Clinton is the one who got paid--by Time Warner.

[daleanime]

13. Not you, the media.....

they're not working for free and they want to keep their jobs. Kind of influences their actions.

[ProgressiveJarhead]

67. Did Clinton Take $$$ From the Prison Lobby?

The private prisons that also detain "illegals?"

[fadedrose]

105. I think I heard that Bill owns some "private" prisons

Gotta fill them up. How much do owners get "per head"?

[CoffeeCat]

22. Who knew corporate corruption of our political system was so hilarious!

Wow! What a knee slapper!

Hillary's know towing to the big banks throughout her career--now that's comedy gold!

And here's another punchline--while doing NOTHING meaningful about those abusive banks--while Elizabeth Warren fought on the front lines--Hillary was amassing millions in campaign donations from Citibank ($824,000) , Goldman Sachs ($760,000), JP Morgan ($696,000) and Morgan Stanley ($636,000).

Hilarity--it's everywhere with Hillary. Who knew!

And those abusive banks <wipes laughter tears from eyes> who own our elections and political system??? All four are listed in the top five of Hillary Clinton donors!!

Oh stop! My sides! Please! I can't breath!!

[hrmjustin]

24. Do you need a hug?

[Gore1FL]

27. No. Just honesty. n/t

[hrmjustin]

35. Honesty is she won the debate.

[AlbertCat]

63. Honesty is she won the debate....

..... according to her donors ....and fan boys.


Meanwhile, those of us who actually live in the real world.... honestly, she's bought and paid for.

[hrmjustin]

64. Enjoy your real world.

[CoffeeCat]

100. In my state of Iowa...

...Hillary has face planted--losing 40 points in the polls--since May. That's the real world.

When the inevitability wears off, and people start paying attention and listening to the candidates--they gravitate to Sanders. It's happening now in my state (we vote first in the primaries) and it's also happening in NH (the second state to vote) where Sanders leads by double digits.

This is exactly what happened to Obama. He had to deal with Clinton's "inevitability" and the corporate media shilling for her. But he won.

Sanders is doing better against Hillary--than Obama was. She actually won NH. She's not going to win either Iowa or NH. Sanders will have two wins under his belt, at the onset of that process.

Let that sink in for a while. Being the darling of the corporate media can only take you so far. The American people are sick of her Republican-lite-corporatist-warmongering bull puckey.

[Duckfan]

124. And according to Huffington Post

Saw headline after debate with HUGE font claiming Hillary Rolls or Victory, or something like that. And I've trusted Huff Po.

[zeemike]

69. No, honesty would be that CNN said she won.

And of course the MSM is always right about everything right?

[hrmjustin]

70. No but they are right that she won.

[zeemike]

79. Well what was the score?

And who did the scoreing?...and how did she score the points?

It blows me away that we allow the MSM to tell us how to think and who won in something like this.
And for me it is kind of chilling how this is being framed like a slam dunk clear cut victory for HRC...when they do that I tend to think the fix is in.
And if it is get ready for a GOP presidency...probably another Bush.

[hrmjustin]

80. I can think for myself and I don't need the media to tell me how to think.

[zeemike]

84. Well you accepted their win call without even a score.

So at best it is confirmational bias.

[hrmjustin]

85. I am done addressing you because of your condescending attitude.

I watched the whole debate and made my own opinion.


Bye!

[Joey Joe Joe]

107. Sour grapes, I see..

[hrmjustin]

109. Welcome to DU.

[frylock]

110. "I am done addressing you because of your condescending attitude."

Do you need a hug?

Enjoy your real world.

[sgtbenobo]

133. Now I just feel stupid...

.... I thought I was going to get a hug.

Fuck.... now what am I going to do?

[RiverLover]

134. Thank you! Hypocrisy exposed.

[RedCappedBandit]

136. Perfect. nt

[highprincipleswork]

155. So the actual fact is that you think she "won".

Perhaps both sides should be a little less sure about their opinion. Most reasonable people would probably say they both did very well, and possibly gained politically from the result. The news for several days now says as much. Bernie obviously won the Internet polls, by large margins. What that means? Well, it certainly doesn't mean everything. Hillary has gotten better ratings and headlines and reviews from pundits. Surely that is valuable. Of course, not all pundits or news authorities said she won, just some of them, perhaps more than a majority of them.

In the end, we're going to have to find a way to come together, in order to win this election. Let's be a little bit careful what we say about each other.

But I do wish that we had a process in place where all candidates could get a public forum that is as open as it can be to show what they really represent and who they really are as candidates. I am totally in favor of more debates, and can't believe that the number is dictated to us by one person who simply has some kind of agenda.

When I hear Debbie Wasserman Schultz tell me how busy she is planning the convention, I am incredulous. How about getting busy making sure we have the right candidate? That is more important than any convention niceties.

The fear is that she has an agenda towards a particular candidate. And of those of you who support that candidate, that must feel really great. But I promise you, if that candidate wins through what seems like trickery or rigging the system, the joy in Mudville could be very short-lived. People are not in the mood to be cheated this year. There is no reason that Hillary supporters should be cheated out of having the first woman President. But if she honestly is not chosen as the best candidate, that is something they should be able to live with. And I would hope they would fight for a fair process that delivers the best candidate, because the proof is going to be in the pudding. It's going to be in the results. If you really want to win in November, then you should let the process play out freely and fairly and see who the most people actually prefer. I would simply say, what are the highest principles for the most people? Those are the principles we should be trying to live by. And having the first female President, while important, is simply not the most important concern for the most people.

[DianeK]

116. of course the fix is in..

if you fit into the definition of 'major corporation' it would be in your best interest to sabotage the good senator from vermont who is onto them all!

[Gore1FL]

94. That is opinion rather than fact. The headline forwarded opinion as fact.

We can discuss this further if necessary, but if it isn't clear by now, I doubt I can improve upon it.

[billhicks76]

131. What Planet Do You Live On

She was aggressive yes but she clearly lost.

[pocoloco]

139. Fuming Bernie supporters: Why is CNN deleting our comments?

http://mediaequalizer.com/brian-maloney/2015/10/fuming-bernie-supporters-why-is-cnn-deleting-our-comments

[GoneFishin]

30. Thanks for data. Good to know.

[lewebley3]

46. You did not listen to the debate: Hillary was stronger against the Banks

[frylock]

111. To paraphrase Bernie: hahaha... uhhhhh..... no.

[Duckfan]

125. Hillary was .....

what??

[lewebley3]

143. HIllary was great!

[JDPriestly]

129. Hillary is funded in part by the banks. She is not stronger against them. No way.

She cannot be trusted against the banks.

Obama hasn't done a good job of limiting them.

As Bernie pointed out, they are bigger now than they were in 2008.

Hillary had some good ideas, but actually implementing them. She will not be able to do it anymore than Obama has. And for the same reason. The banks have invested in Hillary. That's what campaign finance is about. It is an investment in a candidate. And when Wall Street invests in a candidate, it expects a return.

If Hillary is elected, as with Obama, the top financial posts will be filled by people chosen or recommended by the financial sector including Wall Street and the banks.

It is naive to expect anything else.

Bernie is the only one who will actually act to regulate the banks properly. He is the only one who is free to do that. O'Malley might, but I don't know about him.

[lewebley3]

142. Hillary's plans was much stronger and more workable than Bernie

[lewebley3]

146. Hillary in debate backed Warren, and her plan was much stronger

[truedelphi]

151. And never ever forget that for many Top Notch Political Families, one big payoff is the

way family members never need to worry about unemployment, as jobs at top notch firms are guaranteed.

Look at Chelsea Clinton, now a hedge fund manager.

In the old days of corrupt politicians, the pols met with the mob payoff bosses in the back alleys after dark and took home sacks of nickels dimes and quarters.

These days, the pols don't need to meet anyone in a back alley - they simply do as they "should" and know their family members will always be guaranteed a plush job.

[lewebley3]

57. Anderson did a good job: He at least asked follow up questions

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[AlbertCat]

60. Was that the "scientific" poll you were waiting for, Justin?

[hrmjustin]

62. My name is Justin.

[rhett o rick]

122. Wasn't it you just the other day whining that the media hated HRC? Funny how you change your

tune. Looks like they worship her. And a number of big donors for her are mega-media-corps. The problem you have is that the people get to vote and they loved Sen Sanders.

[JaneyVee]

2. Oh yeah, the corporate media is totally in the tank for Hillary!

Totally.

[daleanime]

4. I agree.....

[Scootaloo]

8. All publicity is good publicity.

And the media only talks about clinton, Biden, and Trump.

[1StrongBlackMan]

86. That is not true ...

Granted ... the media devotes much of its coverage to clinton, Biden, and Trump; but, it has been "all Clinton/all bad" since before she announced. While the few media mentions of Bernie is about his surge/unexpected competitiveness.

[Scootaloo]

95. How is it not true, when you just agreed with me?

Negative coverage is still coverage - and when we consider that Sadners is right, everyone is sick of the goddamned email garbage? All the constant hectoring on this non-issue actually serves to boost her. Sort of like how the media frenzy over Lewinsky actually resulted in Bill's popularity going up.

[HooptieWagon]

16. Time-Warner one of her big donors.

They own CNN.

[lewebley3]

48. Bernie people can not lose with Class. Hillary won fair an square!

[HooptieWagon]

52. She did fairly well.

But Sanders did more to help his campaign than she did hers. The best she could do, as a well-known figure and poll leader, was just not blow it. She accomplished that. Sanders needed to introduce himself to a national audience, and show them he's not a fringe candidate with crazy ideas. He did that in spades. The media and pundits may not be impressed...Bernie wasn't adressing them, he was adressing millions of 99%ers. Mission accomplished.

[lewebley3]

54. Sanders dosen't even put his counrty 1st: He was thinking about Demark

[HooptieWagon]

58. Clinton said she represented Wall St in Congress.

Doesn't sound like she puts Country first. And "vote for me, I'm a girl!" was exceptionally lame and face-palming.

[lewebley3]

71. She did! She was the New York Senator:She repped for all the New Yorker!

Most people on Wall Street don't make millions of dollars, most
people income is about 30, 50,000.: or even less: A bank
job doesn't pay much.

, CEO's on Wall Street don't share there wealth with their employees,
the employees often the first victims the CEO's fraudulent activity.

(Remember Enrun CEO's were just fine: their employees lost everything)

Hillary is correct in being concerned about her voters that work on Wall
Street. (they are Americans too!)

[AlbertCat]

66. He was thinking about Demark

While Clinton championed runaway capitalism.... which has done the USA so much good...especially in the eyes of the rest of the world.

[lewebley3]

82. Hillary has never championed runaway capitalism that's the GOP

Hillary like most Dem's want regulated capitalism: That
is one of the many reason she is a Dem: If you were listening
to the Debate she said so!

[AlbertCat]

90. Hillary has never championed runaway capitalism

That's why she's using Citizens United and doesn't want Glass-Steagall.

[lewebley3]

93. Hillary doesn't want to risk the White House being in GOP hands!

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Hillary has put forward a plan much stronger than
an old 1920's bank law. Hillary works and lives in the real
world, Citizens United is the law of the land, she should
not disarm the Dem's, and hand over the White House to the
GOP. What Bernie is doing is nice but he would lose the
White House. (with out money).


Hillary will do whatever it takes to keep the White House in
Dem hands. The GOP want to bomb Iran, there is to
much on line to support Sanders, a nice ideologue

[AlbertCat]

101. Hillary works and lives in the real world,

Uh huh.

"What Bernie is doing is nice but he would lose the
White House. (with out money). "


Okee dokee.

"Hillary will do whatever it takes...."


How Machiavellian of her.

[lewebley3]

145. Hillary has center Machiavellian didn't: He played for himself:

Hillary is playing for the Dem's and the American people, as I
keep saying.: If, Hillary were self centered she could have easily
joined the GOP, and probably gotten rich and also Presidency.

Hillary's only reason to serve is the welfare of the American people

[Duckfan]

126. You mean in Dem Corporate hands. Right?

[lewebley3]

141. If Dem's were in corporate hands, they wouldn't be out begging for money!

[billhicks76]

132. Really? Thats A Laugh

Her husband made sure to exonerate the Bush administration after IranContra which paved the way for GW Bush. Hillary has the rare title of honorary Bush Family member. By their own admission she is one of them. Its a monumental scam.

[lewebley3]

147. Clinton exnonerate anyone: those your made up ideas

[billhicks76]

158. Were You Even Paying Attention During IranContra?

[1StrongBlackMan]

83. Yes ... That explains all the love that they have been showing her ...

with one fake scandal after another.

[lewebley3]

99. Corporate media are the ones pushing attacks on HIllary

[JoePhilly]

115. Well ...

... they are using the email scandal to distract everyone!!

And more

[JRLeft]

5. Clinton News Network CNN

[elehhhhna]

6. She works for THEM, not the other way around.

[lewebley3]

49. Hillary proved she was her own person at the debate:

Hillary proved she was smart, and can
lead this country: CNN had nothing to do with
that:

[AlbertCat]

68. Hillary proved she was her own person at the debate:

by reciting her corporate script.

[lewebley3]

73. You are just a sore loser: Hillary won the Debate: Hillary was Great!

[pinebox]

75. Please

Hillary is a corporate shill who can't even tell America what she believes in. Last night she calls herself "progressive" and just 2 weeks ago also on CNN she called herself a moderate. She flip flops more than Walmart sells them.

[lewebley3]

98. If Hillary was a corporate shill she could have joined the GOP

She told a great many American's what she believes
in the Debate, and most Dem's already know where
where she stands that is why she has so much support.

Hillary was liberal before is was cool to call liberals progressives!

I am sorry, but Hillary is way out in front of Bernie
in most issues, she doesn't just talk about ideas, she
has put her ideas in to action.

All Bernie has done is talk! Hillary career didn't start
the day Bernie decided to run for President, she was
already in the game for 30 years.

[AlbertCat]

104. Hillary was liberal before is was cool to call liberals progressives!

"All Bernie has done is talk!"

Must be why VT is such a horrible place.

Also...from GovTrack.us

"357 bills matched your search for sponsor: Sanders, Bernard “Bernie” (Sen.) [I-VT]."

Recent Bills

Some of Sanders’s most recently sponsored bills include...

S. 2142: Workplace Democracy Act
S. 2054: Justice is Not For Sale Act of 2015
S. 2023: Prescription Drug Affordability Act of 2015
S. 1970: Raising Enrollment with a Government Initiated System for Timely Electoral Registration (REGISTER) Act ...
S. 1969: Democracy Day Act of 2015
S. 1832: Pay Workers a Living Wage Act
S. 1713: Low-Income Solar Act

**********

"Hillary career didn't start the day Bernie decided to run for President," Sanders didn't start that day either.

"she was
already in the game for 30 years."

From Wiki:
"Sanders began his political career in 1971 as a member of the Liberty Union Party, which originated in the anti-war and people's party movement."

He's been "in the game" for 44 years.



Is there ANYTHING you know about Sanders?

Hillary was a lawyer until (and after, I suppose) she became 1st lady of Arkansas in 1983. She was a "young Republican" in college in the 60's but changed after the civil right issue became mainstream. (evolving, y'know). I think Nixon made her give up even thinking about the Repugs.

[lewebley3]

148. Any congressman can write a Bill, what matters are how many votes there are for it!

[pinebox]

150. Debunking your silliness

First off,

A liberal dem doesn't send us to war. Obama voted no.Bernie voted no.

A liberal dem isn't in the pockets of the private prison industry https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/ …

A liberal dem doesn't get their biggest donations from banks and wall street http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/07/facebook-posts/meme-says-hillary-clintons-top-donors-are-banks-an/

A liberal dem doesn't defend kxl, DADT, DOMA, NAFTA and the TPP.

Hillary is out in front on the issues? Yet she can't even explain much of the time where she stands. See her "we need more research before we legalize marijuana". Because 50 years isn't enough? She hasn't even said any details at all on what she plans to replace Glass-Stegall with.

Your last paragraph is bullshit. Utterly. If she's been in the game for 30 years then why has she gotten so little done?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=63762
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=694049

Yet Bernie? Well here you go. But he hasn't gotten anything done, right? lol

Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

[lewebley3]

152. George Bush made the decision for war: He said so!: FDR sent this nation to war!

[pinebox]

154. Hillary sided with W

And FDR is a non issue in current times.

[lewebley3]

157. The Clintons made a dfferent choice for Iraqi: Bush had the power to make war not Hillary

[lewebley3]

149. There progessives that are not crazy like Sanders supporters: So there are moderates!

I would count myself a moderate progressive, and
I would include my congress in a moderate Jan Jawoski

[AlbertCat]

91. You are just a sore loser

along with 37,600 "sore losers" I guess.


"The campaign said the Vermont independent received more than 37,600 individual donations during that period and the average contribution was $34.58."

Does anyone know anything new about Clinton after this debate?

[frylock]

112. We know that she's a woman..

Nothing new, but nice to have her reiterate that several times throughout the debate, you know, in case there was any confusion.

[cprise]

7. The Info-tainment complex has its own psychology

Even CNN's own fact-check page after the debate showed-up Clinton as a liar. But they crave a performer who will put a nice face on their corporate agenda.

Average Americans probably saw something in Clinton than corporate media did.

[lewebley3]

51. You are toting GOP talking points: I don't even think you are a Sanders supporter

[Fred Sanders]

78. Lot of GOP water-carriers newly arrived at DU to carry the burden of Get Hillary...to no avail.

Forgetting totally that CNN has given tens of millions of free advertising to the GOP frontbabbler.

[cprise]

97. Hahaha. Lets see I joined this site TWELVE years before you

And thirteen years before GP.

And here you are calling me GOP because I labeled CNN as corporatist and I attack Hillary's record from a progressive standpoint. Yet I have scarcely even mentioned the email scandal to date.

I think some Hillary supporters have developed a Hillary persecution complex and see any criticism of her as having some Republican source. My answer to that situation is: Her husband de-regulated the media in the mid-90s... that's when they said "thanks, sucker!" and began to work with Republicans to pistol-whip the Clintons. Beyond that, they also do give their opponents some ammunition. It is a bad situation for the country when we have center-right and far-right factions dominating the national discourse with their quarrels, and huge numbers of people have left both parties as a result.

Yes, I do detest Hillary's record but probably not as much as Clintonistas are emotionally attached to their favorite dynasty. That's too bad some prefer ad homs over issues.


Re: The debate --

There are no progressive commentators on CNN's Dem panel, while the Repub panel has a conservative commentator asking questions. HUGE favor for Hillary right there.

They could have run right back to the email issue after Sanders' comment, but it was only touched on lightly... another favor.

They could have pointed out hypocrisy in her stance on Snowden vs herself.

They could have cornered her near the beginning when she implied Sanders was un-American, a seriously nasty McCarthyist tactic, but they let it slide.

Even so, she gave their fact-checker too much dishonesty to ignore. Their chief editor obviously doesn't care: Huge favor, but their slip is showing.

[closeupready]

81. lol "into-tainment complex" - luv it!

So true, though.

[Jester Messiah]

9. Duh. MSNBC too.

Was watching Chris Matthews the other night while making dinner, he was obviously in the tank for Her Inevitableness. Couldn't wait to belt out "Socialist" as many times as he could when talking about Bernie.

But hey, if we can't take some flak from our own (supposed) side, we'll never be able to stand up to the onslaught of the general election.

[appalachiablue]

18. Matthews has really deteriorated. Don't know if it's his wife Kathleen running for Congress

in MD next year or that he's certainly the sole senior survivor on purge MSNBC. The soshalist crap is becoming his theme/fixation. In 2008 it was Hillary's pantsuits, total obsession.

[tishaLA]

153. Matthews said Sen. Sanders won the debate

He even argued the point with a democratic strategist who argued that Secretary Clinton won it.

[appalachiablue]

11. It's rotten and some here say the media prepared their stories in advance. Time and WaPo

however did determine Sanders the winner.

CNN, 'Clinton News Network', that's hilarious!

[workinclasszero]

17. It's rotten and some here say the media prepared their stories in advance.

OMG its...its..a...(conspiracy!!11!!)

Really? Is that where yall want to go?

[appalachiablue]

20. Not a conspiracy just evidence of their interest, call it what it is.

[workinclasszero]

21. Its not like the media has been out to get Hillary for years

and everybody knows it, including Bernie, who told them to lay off the email BS right?

[HubertHeaver]

40. Bernie did spike that question.

I'm guessing they will try to revive it but, it should stay spiked.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Here are links to Time and the Washington Post without comment:

Time and WaPo however did determine Sanders the winner.

Here are links to Time and the Washington Post without comment:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2015/10/13/c7bd324c-71cb-11e5-8d93-0af317ed58c9_story.html


http://time.com/4072784/democratic-debate-hillary-clinton-offense/?xid=homepage

It is my considered and dispassionate opinion that all our stellar candidates acquitted themselves admirably and struck a vivid contrast with our Republican opponents.

[Marty McGraw]

87. "....acquitted themselves admirably and...

...struck a vivid contrast with our Republican opponents."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

103. Thank you Mr. McGraw. Have a wonderful day.

eom

[Marty McGraw]

106. As to you as well

My Friend!

[workinclasszero]

12. "Clinton Triumphs in Debate as Rivals Compete to Lose."

Love that subheadline, thanks OP!

[HooptieWagon]

14. I was rotfl...

CNN stories didn't even acknowledge their own online poll, which went heavily for Sanders. And the host of the CNN focus group was stunned they went for Bernie...he kept asking "are you sure?" and "what about socialism?". Obviously it didn't go as planned. The people are speaking, and corporate America is getting nervous.

[Enthusiast]

118. Next debate CNN won't even have an online poll so as to avoid the confusion.

[HooptieWagon]

119. The poll and focus group sure threw a wrench in the story they were trying to spin.

Caught them a bit off guard. I imagine DWS has already sent out the emails..."no more polls or focus groups!" Could cause a problem if the truth gets in the way of the coronation.

[CrispyQ]

15. The media needs to be included in election reform. -nt

[Marty McGraw]

88. Starting with bringing back

The Fairness Doctrine!

[NCjack]

19. The CNN folks are 1%ers. They have a lot of cash riding on this horse race to White House.

They will do all they can to get HRC in and avoid taxes on their excessive wealth.

[CrispyQ]

113. They want this to be a red 1% vs. a blue 1% presidential campaign, not a 1% vs a 99% campaign.

I think they are surprised by the numbers turning out for Bernie.

[grasswire]

120. you ought to post that as an OP

that is an EXCELLENT point

[Enthusiast]

130. They ain't seen nothing yet.

[AgingAmerican]

25. Who owns CNN?

That should answer the question

[Zorra]

26. We have to elect Bernie so the people can wrest control of the media from

the super rich.

The MSM propaganda following this debate would be hilarious if it wasn't so deadly to democracy.

[stillwaiting]

44. It's very daunting and relentless. We have to get the hearts and minds of the less informed.

And, we'll be competing against a hell of a lot of money and an incredibly effective propaganda mechanism.

We can do it though! Social media is our way to counteract the fog that is heavily emanating from traditional media sources.

[itcfish]

28. Wow I got the impression

That CNN was working for the GOP, not Hillary

[99th_Monkey]

29. CNN's own focus group, after the debate, was roughly 75-80% for Bernie!!

.. to the visibly dour chagrin of the group's CNN female moderator.

[William769]

38. And what was the percentage of them that thought Hillary would win the nomination?

You were the one that brought up the focus group.

[99th_Monkey]

43. Well, they just hadn't seen this toon yet.

[jalan48]

31. She's the corporate Democrat in the race. What else would they say?

[lewebley3]

53. Hillary won the Dem' over, and proved she could lead the Dem's

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[jalan48]

96. Depends on where you want to be led to.

At this point I don't see a lot of the common person in Hillary. She's part of the 1% and has got this far with their support. I don't see her turning on them once in office. I think she will have a tough time once she wins, she doesn't have the "I inherited a mess" that Obama had in 2008. Times are getting tougher for the average American and I think she's falling off on the wrong side of the fence.

[azmom]

32. The focus groups loved Bernie. He spoke the truth.

He was real, raw and unpolished, just the way we love him.

[SoapBox]

34. Unbiased media reporting!

Oh...NOT!

They had the books all pre-cooked for Hill...but it's not true.

Shameful is putting it mildly.

[WillyT]

36. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[thesquanderer]

37. OTOH, CNN helped Bernie as well, albeit probably unintentionally...

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/128061934

[Keep-Left]

39. You are so wrong

They Hillary won because she did.

CNN would rather have a heated and close battle between the two. They don't want her to run away from it.

Why do you think they talk about Biden all the time. They want a race to help their ratings.

[Cassiopeia]

41. Hillary delivers

No matter where she goes or what she does she delivers endless scandal and controversy.

Right or wrong, fictional or fact, it follows her like a loyal puppy.

The MSM is foaming at the mouth to have 4 years of Clinton front and center.

[lobodons]

42. Hillary was Great!! Bernie was Good, But.....

Overall winner: Democratic Party!!

[rladdi]

45. It was night and day, between the GOP debates and this debate last night. Last night the issues

were addressed. The GOP debates were just attacks against each other. But I really don't think the GOP has any issue to debate. They know what they will do, no matter who wins. I hope the voters are wise to the GOP.

[zappaman]

47. Yes, Hillary has been secretly paying them

She does get quite angry with them with the constant Benghazi/email bullshit.
But after she started buying bad coffee for the kitchen, those CNN employees came around pretty fast!
Plus, she had a few support staff beheaded in the parking lot which sent a pretty clear message!

[Marty McGraw]

89. I saw that!

It Looks like all of videos have been pulled from YouTube detailing 'Too Graphic' to be shown. You know where I can get a bootleg copy? Morbid curiosity & all, ya know... (⊙_◎ ) (⊙﹏⊙ ) (⊙﹏ ⊙ )

[SmittynMo]

50. I get it

The Corporate Media and all SuperPACS candidates are bought and paid for. So who would that be? CNN and Clinton, right? Believe me, CM big bucks supporters told the CM exactly what to say.

Any/all CM are bought and therefore control what we hear as news.

How can anyone deny what happened online last night? How? A 2 second mention in the hour of news? No really, how can they deny the true facts and not discuss it? They completely bypassed the facts and are all being told what to say by the $$. Think about it. Who ultimately puts those sentences on the teleprompters?

Before the debate, almost all of CM was ignoring Bernie. Now the truth is out there and Americans are talking about it big time. CM then decides to continue their ways, but bump it up a notch. They are freaked out about this, big time. So they continue to ignore him, and give the victory to Hilliary? Hmmm I'm telling you, the people with the money are trying to control it all. Bernie is totally freaking them out and will downplay everything he says.

Go, Bernie, Go!!!!

[frylock]

114. Let these fools continue to cling to the conventional wisdom..

it will make Bernie's victory all the sweeter.

[Gamecock Lefty]

55. Poor Bernie Supporters . . .

As soon as the debate was over they run to their safe zone, DU, and post how their guy won the debate per all the online polls and focus groups. Then they tell us how much money (which they hated just yesterday) their guy had accumulated in the hours following the debate.

They were so hoping everybody else would hate Hillary like they do and see what the (you fill in the blank – start with oligarchy, neo-lib or Wall Streeter) she is. But the truth is Hillary was personable, poised and confident and showed great leadership.

They were so hoping she would fall flat because remember we were told by them how horrible of a debater she was and how canned she was and how angry she was, yet we saw just the opposite and so did the rest of America.

Make America Even Greater - Elect Hillary!

[lewebley3]

59. Here! Here! Gamecock Lefty: Go Hillary!

[pinebox]

76. Poor Hillary supporters

Are mad about online polls and not a single one has called Hillary out when she flip flopped live on the stage last night when she called herself "progressive" It was what? 2 weeks ago on CNN when she called herself a "moderate"? lol

Now THAT is some pandering!

[workinclasszero]

77. As soon as the debate was over they run to their safe zone, DU...

Then they tell us how much money (which they hated just yesterday) their guy had accumulated in the hours following the debate.

Word on the street is Bernie's millions are different because...reasons.

[RichVRichV]

128. Maybe because it's people making small donations to see Democracy work

and not big money trying to buy influence. If you can't see the difference between those two points then you're hopelessly lost. Maybe you actually think that average person making a $34 dollar donation is expecting political favors for what they give?

[frylock]

117. Safe zone on DU? The entire FUCKING internet is a safe zone for Sanders.

And it's not the money that Sanders supporters hate, it's WHERE the money is coming from, and Sanders' money ain't coming from some SuperPAC. You guys are going to be so blindsided come Super Tuesday.

[tritsofme]

56. Accepting reality can be difficult and frustrating for many people.

I believe the first step is denial...

[BeanMusical]

92. Then you should be careful while swimming in it.

That river is filled with crocodiles and have dangerous currents and rapids.

[chapdrum]

61. This is not a surprise

The corporate (they are now people too) media has to keep candidates like Bernie and Martin at bay. It is now, as then and forever, their job.

[LaydeeBug]

65. It's possible they think she won the debate...many agree with them. nt

[The Polack MSgt]

72. CNN Sucks at its job

and that's why you won't vote for Hillary.

Makes sense

[Chili Pepper]

74. News Should Be News

Why can't the news agencies just report the news (aka facts)? Somewhere along the line, the news agencies have morphed into creating the news and providing opinion. I guess facts are just too boring - no entertainment value.

Granted there has always been editorial comment, but that was always either on a special page (newspapers) or relegated to the end of a news broadcast (and clearly labeled as such).

I'll keep longing for my fantasy world to return

[KamaAina]

102. No, they work for the repukes

Anderson slammed HRC with questions about those pressing issues of the day , BENGHAZI!!11!!!1!!11! and the damn emails.

[tabasco]

108. The plutocracy that rules this country wants Clinton nominated

That has been clear for several months. The corporate mass media coronated Clinton more than a year ago.

I think the reasons for this are:

1. They believe Clinton will lose and they will have another stuffed-shirt republican puppet in office.
2. If Clinton wins, she has a track record of "playing ball" with the plutocrats.

[JackRiddler]

123. Actually, if you look at them daily...

They work for Trump. Totally. They certainly want Hillary on the other side, so they can talk about the e-mails for another year.

[ucrdem]

127. Maybe you had to see it, but it the best HRC performance I've ever seen.

And I've seen some good HRC moments, my favorite being a 90s news clip from the Capitol steps after Whitewater Hearing XXXXIII crashed and burned, HRC saying "I hope i was able to help them."



Well it's been a while since I've seen that HRC but she was back last night and looked terrific. So I think CNN is right, and they're far from being Clinton partisans. More like GOP hacks.

[RiverLover]

135. "performance" is the Key word here.

She was the most poised, during her 300th debate, so she should win the nomination? Are we casting a role in a movie?

[sgtbenobo]

137. Now River, don't be so mean to Hillary....

you know she has self-esteem issues.

[Logical]

138. Kick

[mythology]

140. I don't understand how so many people understand so little about polling

You can't use the unscientific poll to say if one candidate did better than another. You don't know the demographics of who answered the poll. Look at this board. The overwhelming majority of Sanders' supporters believe he won and the same for Clinton supporters believing that she won.

I doubt the debate really changed many minds.

I just wish people would learn more about how effective polling works and stop with these silly unfounded conspiracy theories.

[AlbertCat]

144. I doubt the debate really changed many minds.

On here.... no.


But now there is a whole lot of people, who didn't know Sanders as anything but some "socialist" who hated POC and was a gun nut, who now know better.

Clinton was Clinton.... the same ol' scripted "tell you what you want to hear".

Sanders is new and fresh and not the same ol' same ol'.

I wonder what the results would have been if more than 1/2 of registered Dems had known there was even a debate on the tube.

Coulda still gone either way. But saying this was a Clinton slam dunk is absurd. And now more people have seen the real Sanders.

The BEST thing about the debate was it wasn't the goofy hate-circus the GOP debates were.

[Fawke Em]

156. I love how the Atlanta for Bernie chapter handled this CNN crap.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251694204