2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHRC must be polling like shit for Biden to come in off the bench...
He won't siphon votes from Bernie. The DNC fucked this up bad. Enter plan b.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)still_one
(92,187 posts)I wonder how well that will go over
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)still_one
(92,187 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Please define "like shit"...
still_one
(92,187 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Did he announce it today?
still_one
(92,187 posts)48 hours, plus or minus 300 days whether he will run or not
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Internal polling must be very, very bad OR something's about to drop on her from the private server investigation.
Biden has to get in TO SAVE THE OLIGARCHS FROM THE SOCIALIST!!!!!!1!11!!!!!
aspirant
(3,533 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Did Biden announce?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the next president. The GOP can never be counted out entirely, but their disarray this year and appalling lineup mean the Democratic Party nominee will almost certainly be our next president...
NOT viewing everything through a veil of anti-Hillary bias can open up, oh, just worlds of really obvious possibilities.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)I honestly think GOP voters would be likely to stay home for an "establishment" candidate if not for their hatred for HRC. Even as an Obama proxy, Biden wouldn't ignite that kind of furor.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Or Joe's lower negatives vs. Hillary's higher.
I do worry about a less-than-revved up Democratic turnout vs. an on-fire, anti-Clinton GOP turnout. Nothing burns as bright or as hard as GOP Clinton hate.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)A thought just thrown out there that Hillary must be polling like shit when she is an unchallenged front runner.
"The DNC fucked this up bad."
You might want to elaborate. Are they making the decisions for Biden? Are they why Hillary has such a commanding lead(or as you put it "polling like shit" ?
What is plan b? Again, are you saying they call the shots for Biden?
Really disjointed thoughts with no clear direction.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)After Cornel West and the debate failed to propel Sanders to the top, now you hope Biden will be the miracle worker
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Biden has massive political ambitions.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)must be telling them BOTH something. Public polls are one thing, but the candidates live and die by the polling THEY conduct themselves. If Biden enters, there is something telling him he has a serious shot.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)She's done:
NATIONAL: CLINTON HOLDS POST-DEBATE LEAD
Dem voters still have some interest in a Biden run
West Long Branch, NJ Hillary Clintons lead in the Democratic field has ticked up to 48% after
the first debate. When Joe Biden is removed from the equation, though, her support increases to a clear
majority. The latest national Monmouth University Poll of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters
suggests that the partys first presidential debate helped the front-runner.
Hillary Clinton currently has the support of 48% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters
nationwide, which is up from 42% last month. Bernie Sanders gets 21%, which is basically unchanged
from his 20% support in September. Undeclared candidate Joe Biden has 17% support, down from 22%
last month. Jim Webb and Larry Lessig each get 1%, while Martin OMalley and Lincoln Chafee each
earn less than 1%.
Biden supporters were asked who they would support if the Vice President does not enter the
race, and most swing toward Clinton, giving her a formidable 57% to 24% lead over Sanders.
Democratic voters continue to show some interest in having Biden enter the race, though. In addition to
the 17% who support him now, 10% say they would be very likely to switch their vote to Biden and
another 31% would be somewhat likely. Further analysis of these results indicates that even if all those
very likely to support Biden actually switch their vote, Clinton would maintain a lead of 42% to 27% for
Biden, with Sanders falling to third place at 20%.
http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/4f03d197-5cae-42a6-b47a-0c1a4aeb7b6f.pdf
LINK TO AGGREGATE POLLING TO PREEMPTIVELY REBUT THE ASSERTION I AM CHERRY PICKING:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Biden's people decided they'd leak his decision to Ed Henry?
I think I'll wait a little bit before I give this credibility.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:12 PM - Edit history (1)
supporters since he's to Clinton's left as (or more) often as he's to her right on social issues; he's someone people can imagine talking to them from the Oval Office, even without a positive policy "hook" like his infrastructure fixation--Sanders can be seen as a President in some alternate-history America where we're sane and the phrase "second Clinton Presidency" calls up jokes about her invading Brazil and England to distract from the 2-year Senate investigation into her hair color (every part of which is believable, unfortunately)
but Sanders is growing not just because he voted against IWR and Clarence Thomas and MBNA, not just because he sticks to the issues, but because he's attacking how politics has been conducted for nearly 30 years now; it's pretty apparent to anyone with a fleck of cynicism that he's a pinch hitter to save the party's reputation: he's being run (note the phrase) against Clinton more than Sanders; they're trying to recapture some Spirit of 2012--a third Obama term--but now we all remember that Obama was Emanuel's "icebreaker" against IL Dems that didn't play the game (or complained about tritium)
people will keep on aggregating to Sanders because he'd be the first step in trying to take back party and national politics from the ususal pay-to-play system, to break the walls and levers and veal-pen , where things that 70-90% of the country are literally dying for is banned from discussion because of a corporate liberum veto; that's why Sanders can sound like he's talking past the other candidates: he's laying out a bigger picture of politics rather that all the issues emerge from and operate within; the DNC's split has only meant that another Establishment candidate is being rotated in, like when you have someone wave at a baby so you can retrieve your car keys: Sanders is the candidate of people who want to be treated like goddamn adults for once
Biden and Clinton will appeal to conservatives by taking half their policies from the "lefty" bin and steal the other half from the GOP--thus and therefore they figure they'll have the Dems no matter how far they push them since we don't want to risk victory for the ever-further Right, and snap up a lot of Pub voters by showing the party hasn't "veered to the left" (as shown by that niche loony Sanders's run); Sanders appeals to Pubs and conservatives by giving the opportunity to make the political system work for them for once, to take care of business before their party can snow them with wedge social issues and class resentment as it's always done
and also now Brock's gross artillery will be pointed squarely at Biden, so be prepared for a lot of rumors about mixed-race kids or that he's secretly left-handed or something; he has little organization and missed one debate already; plus even if he gets Trumka's nod that's still the Old Politics of racking up endorsements and labor leaders knuckling to offshorers because "nobody else can win"
Quixote1818
(28,930 posts)Since she did okay he may have decided not to run. If he is running perhaps the internal polling doesn't look too good?
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Looks like DNC establishment is in panic mode.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
delrem
(9,688 posts)I think the aim is to make it race between Hillary and Biden - the other candidates being submerged.
Third-way plays to win, after all.
mr_liberal
(1,017 posts)If he gets in my guess is he wont try very hard and will only get serious if Hillary has to drop out. Then all the Hillary voters and the party will rally around him.
If Hillary was forced out then there is a chance Sanders could get the nomination, and the party is not going to allow that.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)that it means last chance.