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Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:07 PM

Keeping us in ignorance is no accident. The primary 'horse race' is nothing more than a shiny

object, meant to draw our attention and interest away from the fact that the establishment wings of both parties support Wall Street bankers, the military industrial complex, and the neoliberal capitalist model.

The happy thing, the only thing that is saving us, I think, is social media. The people are always going to be at a disadvantage against these monied interests. And we must remember that they are smart, powerful and relentless. They put out their propaganda message 24/7 through all the corporate-owned mass media.

What do we have? Our minds, and our native curiosity. And, we have the internet, which places the knowledge of the world at our fingertips. And the only real 'freedom' we have? Our ability to think things through for ourselves.

I'm not sure where I got this advice, but it is very good advice: When someone says, 'well we need to do THIS,' follow the money. If you understand where the money to make THIS happen comes from and where it goes, then no matter what the propaganda organs SAY, you will understand who benefits and how it will affect you and your family.

An everyday example: in my state there is a huge pent-up demand for condominiums as growing numbers of Baby Boomers are downsizing from their suburban homes. Developers are going to the state legislature under the guise of 'removing onerous regulation.' What this actually means is that the developers want to remove liability regulations on the quality of their work. So, if they build a condo complex and it falls down around the ears of the residents because of shoddy construction practices, what they want is to NOT be held liable for this. But the media never TELLS you this; it never even mentions it. You must find out for yourself.

This, then - finding out for yourself and then thinking it through, is yours, mine and everyone's responsibility as citizens of a republic. We supposedly have a representative democracy where those we elect ostensibly look out for our interests, but the American people have become lazy and ignorant, partly - or mostly - because of this constant propaganda. So we sit around saying, 'well, the media should tell us this,' while at the same time forgetting who the media actually serves.

To find out what the candidates want, where they stand on issues, and what specific policies they want to implement is hard, true, but it is possible.
1. First, look at their websites. Look at where they say they stand on these issues.
2. Then look at their records in office. How have they voted? What have they done?
3. Compare their actions with their words. If the actions and words match, then you're in business.
4. If the actions and words don't match, toss out the words and look only at the actions.
5. Ask yourself if you agree with the actions; how did they benefit you? And if not you, whom did they ACTUALLY benefit?
6. Then look at where the candidates are getting their money. This will tell you what you need to know about each candidate.

A quick recommendation from me? www.berniesanders.com. Speaking personally, my own opinion, I agree with what Bernie says he wants to do. Bernie has a pretty successful 40 year record of trying to put those things in place. And, his money is coming only from small donations from supporters, NOT super PACS. That's why I have chosen to support Bernie.

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Reply Keeping us in ignorance is no accident. The primary 'horse race' is nothing more than a shiny (Original post)
PatrickforO Oct 2015 OP
elleng Oct 2015 #1
PatrickforO Oct 2015 #2
delrem Oct 2015 #45
daleanime Oct 2015 #3
guillaumeb Oct 2015 #4
Doctor_J Oct 2015 #5
JaneyVee Oct 2015 #6
retrowire Oct 2015 #10
shenmue Oct 2015 #13
Post removed Oct 2015 #15
shenmue Oct 2015 #16
ProgressiveJarhead Oct 2015 #18
azurnoir Oct 2015 #20
BeanMusical Oct 2015 #24
heads up Oct 2015 #29
Mnpaul Oct 2015 #32
ThoughtCriminal Oct 2015 #42
uponit7771 Oct 2015 #28
stupidicus Oct 2015 #35
GoneFishin Oct 2015 #7
Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #8
brooklynite Oct 2015 #9
retrowire Oct 2015 #11
ProgressiveJarhead Oct 2015 #17
Plucketeer Oct 2015 #12
senz Oct 2015 #30
Armstead Oct 2015 #31
ErikJ Oct 2015 #14
sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #21
ErikJ Oct 2015 #25
liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #19
sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #22
PatrickforO Oct 2015 #23
slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #26
Maineman Oct 2015 #40
azmom Oct 2015 #27
LineReply .
MohRokTah Oct 2015 #33
JRLeft Oct 2015 #34
LuvLoogie Oct 2015 #36
Thespian2 Oct 2015 #37
Maineman Oct 2015 #41
Thespian2 Oct 2015 #44
silverweb Oct 2015 #38
Enthusiast Oct 2015 #39
WillyT Oct 2015 #43

Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:15 PM

1. Yes, its true now, and has been for a long time.

Repugs have benefited from the ignorance they promote, inadequate and failing schools among other attributes, and the rest of the MIC beneficiaries follow suit.

For ME, Martin O'Malley has the policies, plans, and experience to move things. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

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Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:20 PM

2. O'Malley is a good candidate also. No doubt there.

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Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 07:25 PM

45. Only the supporters of one candidate are taking offense, or deriding,

the simple common sense of the OP.
And ALL of that candidates supporters that have responded - read downthread - either take offence at or deride the OP.

Isn't that strange, about that candidate? And doesn't it tell us something of what kind of political atmosphere there'll be in the Democratic party, should that candidate win the primary - as seems likely?

It's like the Democratic party is absolutely split, with one side unable to deal with even simple advice like the OP's, as it contradicts their candidate's method, as critical thinking causes them stress.

As you show, Martin O'Malley has nothing to fear from critical observational skills. Hell, not even Chafee need fear critical examination of his words vs his actions, and so on as listed in the OP. It's just the one candidate that can't bear the light.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:28 PM

3. K&R.....

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:34 PM

4. Very well said.

The GOP defunds schools and complains when educational outcomes weaken.
The GOP defunds regulatory agencies and complains that the agencies do not work well.
The GOP tried to kill the US Postal Service and complains about reduced service standards.
The GOP defunded the VA prior to complaining about delays for veterans.

And 53% of GOP voters believe that President Obama is a Muslim. The party of ignorance and fear.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:34 PM

5. spot on pfo

 

Rec

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:46 PM

6. You're really going to come on a Democratic website and...

 

Try pulling the "both parties are the same" bullshit? This crap should be banned from DU.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:28 PM

10. Are you referring to the intro

in which the user stated the establishment wings from both parties are entrenched in Wall St and money corruption?

Because that much is true.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:35 PM

13. It was, once. But who gives a shit now? You shall not blaspheme the Holy Sanders

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Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:50 PM

16. Aww, cute

Did you forget Sanders is supported by the major corporation Ben and Jerry's?

But that doesn't count.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:52 PM

18. Citi Group Is Bigger

 

and corrupt. So now B & J is the same as Clinton's donors including CCA? Nothing like blind devotion.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:58 PM

20. I'll have to remember that one

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Response to shenmue (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:59 PM

24. Not true.

The two founders of the South Burlington-based ice cream company, Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, told The Telegraph (UK) that they’re backing the Vermont senator for the Democratic nomination for president.

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Greenfield said he and Cohen had noted $1,000 to Sanders’ campaign, plus a few hundred more in donated ice cream for campaign events. According to the Sanders campaign’s most recent filing, Cohen and Greenfield contributed $1,411.23 each.

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As the Telegraph pointed out, they made their donations as individuals. The holding company for Ben & Jerry’s, Dutch-based Unilever, does not participate in politics.

That hasn’t stopped the two ice cream magnates, however. Cohen and Greenfield have led the Stamp Stampede campaign against the influence of wealthy individuals and corporations in politics.


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2015/08/20/ben-jerry-founders-ben-and-jerry-endorse-bernie-sanders-for-president/OEuOlOHIDLouqvM7V7peMN/story.html

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Response to shenmue (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:41 AM

29. Oh no.

 

*shivers*

Ice cream. I should have known the Ice Cream Industry was behind this.

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Response to heads up (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 09:46 AM

32. Our economy will collapse!!!

with the ice cream lobby in charge.

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Response to heads up (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 06:51 PM

42. Who knows what flavors they may get in return?!

Ben-N-Jerryghazi!!!

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:34 AM

28. +1

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 03:27 PM

35. they are in the narrow way it was proposed

 

which is why you erupted and were covered in straw as opposed to addressing that in a substantive way.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:04 PM

7. Words are cheap. A politician's past record is the best indicator of their future actions.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:08 PM

8. Excellent advice.

Thanks for the thread, PatrickforO.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:14 PM

9. So you're saying that you're just much smarter than everyone else...

YOU were able to see through the evil corporate plot, but nobody else can.

Delighted to know you support Bernie Sanders, and you're welcome to do so. But the implication that other people (actually a majority) support Hillary Clinton through ignorance and misdirection is pretty lazy as far a conspiracy theories go.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:29 PM

11. I can't see where the user said they were smarter than everyone else.

Perhaps you're easily offended?

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Response to retrowire (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:50 PM

17. HRC Supporters Are Easily Offended

 

and seem to look down their noses at those who prefer democracy over continued corporate rule. Their devotion to HRC for no good reason is scary.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:33 PM

12. I have a better litmus test

 

Follow the money. Note it's source - note the recipient/beneficiary. Then conclude who that recipient will be beholden to once the ascend to office. IF you think they're gonna turn on their most significant source, I've got a bridge in the Sahara you could own cheap.

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:44 AM

30. Truly.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:45 AM

31. You think corporate monopllies and their ability to buy government is a good thing?

 

Or perhaps doesn't exist an is just a conspiracy theory?

We have -- through a combination of deregulation and lack of enforcement of "anti-trust" allowed a handful of corporations with no allegiance to anything but their bottom line to control the economy, stifle true competition and squeeze out small and mid sixed businesses. And they use the wealth and power they already have to feed their drive for even more.

This is not esoteric. All you have to do is read the financial news. And remember 2008.

Pointing that out is not an expression of intellectual superiority. Just pointing to the facts.

If you think that's a good thing, well....not much one can say in response.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:44 PM

14. Agreed, but on the west coast new housing is very superior to old.

 

Old houses and buildings in the PNW were built with no clue about earthquakes because there are so few. We now know a very big one is expected in the near future so the codes now have to withstand a EQ of 9 magnitude. Most of the people here whine about demolishing the old houses and buildings but they should all be replaced if that were possible. People hate change. But the big one is going to level 90% of the PNW cities if we dont hurry up.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:26 PM

21. I don't think that the OP was against

new housing. The problem is the cities want it too, BUT
the developers - knowing the need for it - are trying to
get out of any responsibility for shoddy and possible
work, which might cause serious faults in those new
buildings.
I know that this is a fight in my city as well. nobody
should support their effort. Then again they know how to
play the game and try to play the victim.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:15 PM

25. Yes,it probably also depends on the housing market

 

Here they are building high quality but theyre demolishing older houses and putting up big mc mansions in their place which dwarfs alot of the other medium size houses, pissing off the n'hood. Builders can charge almost twice as much for the bigger new houses though so they can make more profit.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:53 PM

19. That's why I don't watch cable news at all.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:36 PM

22. While I agree with your six points

will you, please, tell me how many people will
take the time to do this?

I wonder how many of the voters know the
name of the leader of the House. I don't think
that most of them realize who is representing
their local district in their legislature.

Forget for a moment the national election and
look at the state governances. That is where
a lot of it starts, if not even earlier at the school
board decisions. Most voters just go by the D or
the R in those elections, I am afraid.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #22)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:57 PM

23. It is true that sometimes I get really bummed out.

It just seems like the weight of the world - I mean, you KNOW these things, but things just keep getting worse.

Yet, there are many good things happening in many different places. More people are turning to slow money and slow food. Microlending has gotten huge and has unbelievably high payback rates. Some corporations are becoming 'benevolent' corporations and adjusting their charters so that their officers must consider labor, the customers, the communities and other stakeholders in running the business. More people are starting to see the value of all life, of the earth itself.

Seems sometimes as if we're in a race against destruction, the light against darkness.

Guess we'll see how it turns out. In the meantime, we all must keep fighting the good fight. Educating people when we can. Trying to reduce our carbon footprint. Trying to live more simply. Speaking out when we see injustice. That is all we can do, yet it may be enough to turn the tide - if we can get enough people doing it.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:32 PM

26. "3. Compare their actions with their words. If the actions and words match, then you're in business"

Totally agree and also the corporate media serves the corporate candidates.

Social media has helped Sanders, strange how the younger generation embraces the ideas of a slightly older guy than Hillary.

But they look at his record and decide.

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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 06:21 PM

40. I think younger persons can spot BS better. Older persons have heard BS for so long, they don't

even recognize it when it is obvious.

How about this: At the last debate, Hillary said she went to her local Wall Street constituent investment bankers in 2007 before the mega recession and told them to "cut it out." That has got to be a lie. She is in full partnership with them. She is sponsored by Wall Street banks, big oil, big media, etc. Does she want to get money out of politics? Hell no. Fund raising is her deal. Her husband is her mentor in this regard.

Is Hillary brilliant? Yes. Will she try to do good things in the area of civil rights? Yes. Will she try to make life better for women? Yes. Will she try to do something that would actually work to get money out of politics and break the control that big money has over government? No chance. The result will be a poorer and poorer middle class. Not a problem for her. She is sponsored by corporations and investment bankers.

Hillary is electable, right? Conservative women, for example "prolife" Republicans, will cross over and vote for her because she is a woman, right? Ha.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:46 PM

27. k&R

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:12 AM

33. .

 

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 11:52 AM

34. This is why the main focus is on Hillary and Republicans.

 

Either her or the cons keep the train headed in the same direction. The hope is if Hillary wins and there is an economic collapse while she's president, it will force her to actually be progressive, but I won't hold my breath.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 03:31 PM

36. All in for Hillary, here...

Just because...

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 03:48 PM

37. To keep corporations in power

vote for the 1%er or the RePuKKKian candidate, whoever that may be...corporations have already made that choice for you...

Bernie is the only answer...

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Response to Thespian2 (Reply #37)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 06:23 PM

41. I agree.

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Response to Maineman (Reply #41)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 07:09 PM

44. Welcome to DU...

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 06:04 PM

38. An excellent post.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Thank you!


[font color="purple"]Go, Bernie!
Ride the purple wave and join The Purple Revolution!

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 06:11 PM

39. Kicked and recommended!

Well done, PatrickforO.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 07:04 PM

43. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

 


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