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Related: About this forumSanders Advisor: 'If Bernie's going to beat Clinton it's because people don't want a 3rd Obama term'
So, what does this comment mean??
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/26/1440084/-Sanders-Advisor-If-Bernie-s-going-to-beat-Clinton-it-s-because-people-don-t-want-a-3rd-Obama-term
Mon Oct 26, 2015 at 01:14 PM PDT
Sanders Advisor: 'If Bernie's going to beat Clinton it's because people don't want a 3rd Obama term'
by Armando
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'If Bernie's going to beat Clinton it's bc people don't want a 3rd Obama term.' -- Sanders strategist Tad Devine https://soundcloud.com/bostonherald/tad-devine-joins-herald-drive
This is a gaffe. This is the second time a Sanders connected person has made this type of statement. In August, the Executive Director of NNU, which has endorsed Sanders, said:
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #3)
Armstead This message was self-deleted by its author.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Low blow and DUMB.
I spend most of my time talking with PoC. Yeah, I'm white, but I'm raising a half PoC son, so don't give me that "you don't understand" crap. I do. I worry for my son in a way I would have never worried about myself.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)if you raise a PoC or you talk with PoC or you have a friend who is PoC. The thread is about Bernie not wanting a 3rd term. Does that mean what? Do people "Want their country back from him? The Banks? Foreign Policy? That's open to interpretation.
Please clarify for me, from a guy who wanted to primary Obama. What exactly is it about an Obama's America (given to Congress he and others will have to work with), does he think is so disastrous and he needs to change so badly?
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I guess the other 25% are Bernie's poll numbers.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)feel pretty comfortable with the devil they know. I can't wait for a time when they know Bernie.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Get to the root of problems.
Which is basically what Sanders is saying.
That would be preferable than a futile effort to revive the shiny surface of the 1990's.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)eom
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)eom
bravenak
(34,648 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,013 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)portlander23
(2,078 posts)riversedge
(70,413 posts)portlander23
(2,078 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I also think Sanders and some of his supporters do respect Obama and the job he has done. It isn't as absolute as is seems here sometimes. I believe building off the success of Obama will win the day. Sanders can't change any verbiage at this point so that mantle will go to Hillary.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the problem is the "IF" part, and that the current polling suggests people are speaking to that "IF", in both, President Obama's numbers and HRC's numbers.
elana i am
(814 posts)we're done with centerist, corporatist third way dinos. just done.
i said it before, i'll say it again. april 30th, 2015 a paradigm shift happened. something better came along that has rendered clinton, obama, pretty much the entirety of the dem congress wholly inadequate and second rate.
why? because i have standards.
see, sanders can't even claim 100% progressive cred, but he's in a different universe than any other dems, so if they want my money and my votes in the future there damn well better be a shit ton of endorsements of him and a stampede to his left forthwith.
i'm still waiting...
riversedge
(70,413 posts)Historic NY
(37,457 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Historic NY
(37,457 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Time for a new start for the people.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)"I'm not running for Bill's third term. I'm not running for President Obama's third term".
/end thread?
riversedge
(70,413 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Your ability to stand firmly by what you chose to post is noted.
A page out of h's game plan book.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Especially in the primary.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Unfortunately, some did not learn that in 2010 and 2012.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I think Hillary and Obama agree on the vast majority of issues.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)eom
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)President Obama for the millionth time.
But they can't figure out why they get no traction from base democratic party voters as they insult them just about every day.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)eom
frylock
(34,825 posts)what percentage of them would you consider to be the base?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That's simply a fact.
We CAN do better, and we must.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and i have no interest in a third bo term. more wars, more drones, more"ooops"'accidental bombings in countries where we don't belong, more crappy trade agreements...
no thank you
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The Berniebros just can't help it
FloridaBlues
(4,013 posts)Obama is very popular with the democratic base the one thing sanders will not get is their votes. Statements like this will make sure of it
Dumb move
frylock
(34,825 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I don't agree with that assessment. It's way too simplistic. But they say Obama should have fought harder for single payer, gun control, an update of Glass-Stiegel, etc. I'm no worried about a third term of Obama. I'm more concerned that Clinton will not be as progressive as Obama, will be more hawkish on foreign policy, etc. In other words, eight years of Obama-Minus. I guess we'll find out.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)They are more likely to elect a Republican.
Third terms for parties are very rare.
This fits the revolutionary rhetoric Sanders uses. It also means that Some of Sanders people wish to distance Sanders from the President.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Many don't want a 3rd term...
We want to fix what ails us.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I'll take a progressive over a centrist any day.
6chars
(3,967 posts)not the Clinton brand.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)And if huge voting blocks disliked Obama, this may have been a strategy. I think the Bernie campaign are off the rails with this negative strategy in trying to insult a very well loved President.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Clinton can say, Listen, Im my own person. As secretary of state I went against the president on some issues, and Im not running for a third Obama term, Im running for a first Clinton term, Dickinson said. Well, a first Hillary Clinton term.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/22/loyal-biden-embraces-president-obama-legacy-whats-hillarys-excuse
What Devine said "IF Bernie is going to beat Hillary it is going to be because people want not a 3rd Obama term, but a first Sander's term. They want some really fundamental change in this country. They want someone who is going to take on a rigged economy which is held in place by a corrupt system of campaign funding....."