Here's the transcript, decide for yourself:

[boston bean]

COOPER: Secretary Clinton, is Bernie Sanders tough enough on guns?

CLINTON: No, not at all. I think that we have to look at the fact that we lose 90 people a day from gun violence. This has gone on too long and it's time the entire country stood up against the NRA. The majority of our country...

(APPLAUSE)

... supports background checks, and even the majority of gun owners do.

Senator Sanders did vote five times against the Brady bill. Since it was passed, more than 2 million prohibited purchases have been prevented. He also did vote, as he said, for this immunity provision. I voted against it. I was in the Senate at the same time. It wasn't that complicated to me. It was pretty straightforward to me that he was going to give immunity to the only industry in America. Everybody else has to be accountable, but not the gun manufacturers. And we need to stand up and say: Enough of that. We're not going to let it continue.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: We're going to bring you all in on this. But, Senator Sanders, you have to give a response.

SANDERS: As a senator from a rural state, what I can tell Secretary Clinton, that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want, and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence that we are seeing.

I believe that there is a consensus in this country. A consensus has said we need to strengthen and expand instant background checks, do away with
this gun show loophole, that we have to address the issue of mental health, that we have to deal with the strawman purchasing issue, and that when we develop that consensus, we can finally, finally do something to address this issue.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/10/13/cnn-democratic-debate-full-transcript/

He was speaking directly to her and of her. Maybe he ought to be a bit more careful about accusing another candidate of yelling, when it is he who in fact yelled throughout most of the debate!

[lunamagica]

1. Crystal clear. And yes, he yelled throughout the debate. But he is a man, it's OK

Don't you understand that?

[boston bean]

2. You would think the teacher just came in the room and told everyone to be quiet...

it's awfully quiet in here aint it?

[lunamagica]

3. Not even the sound of crickets. Which surprises me. I'm always amazed by their ability

to spin, spin, spin, and deny, deny, deny...

[boston bean]

4. maybe I should get ready for the onslaught. They might be in re-grouping mode!

LOL

[lunamagica]

5. LOL, got to give them some time!

This is a hard one to crack!

[leftofcool]

6. LOL

[RobertEarl]

73. Left out Lame?

this whole "he shouted at me" business is lame.

And the whole "I am not shouting" is even lamer.

Everybody has been shouting out against the gun violence, and where has it gotten us?

Bernie says time for the shouting to end, and lets work to keep the guns out of the hands of people who would use guns to create the mass killings.

Of course, the only ones opposed to Bernie's idea that we sit down and get it done, are the gun nuts.

[boston bean]

7. ten to one it will be an edited video snip of his debate response, cutting him out saying her name.

Then ask for links of proof to what he said will demanded forcefully, and if I don't provide a link they will state it didn't happen! And they WIN the argument!

[appal_jack]

54. Sanders had been saying the exact same thing about the gun issue for months before the debate.

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/898782633545195/

"We can't continue to shout at each other..."

This video was made in AUGUST 2015.

It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Hillary, or gender.

-app

[boston bean]

56. He was characterizing her as shouting. You know how you can tell that?

When he mentions her name and directs his response to her.

[Fawke Em]

133. He was talking to her, not about her.

As in: "Boston Bean, we need to stop throwing up gender cards. It doesn't make good policy."

YOU didn't throw up the gender card. Hillary did.

[cui bono]

156. Exactly.

The feigned outrage and grasping for a Bernie Dean Scream is unreal.

[BeanMusical]

167. +1000

[HerbChestnut]

29. Gender card on the first comment. Nice.

I've heard Bernie explain his position on the gun issue many times, and he always talks about both sides 'shouting' at each other. This was not an attack on Hillary.

[JaneyVee]

39. Yup. If she yells she's "bitchy". If she's mild she's "non enthusiastic".

[mcar]

80. If she shows emotion she's weak

If she doesn't she's phony, poll driven and frigid.

[svpadgham]

105. Even if she shows emotion she's still phony.

At least generally. Sometimes she seems genuine, but for the most part she comes across as phony.

[mcar]

110. She really doesn't

Her demeanor is really no different from the men on the hustings.

[svpadgham]

112. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to learn a new word.

Hustings. Now I know.

[mcar]

114. My pleasure

I love vocabulary.

[BeanMusical]

168. I believe that she was genuine when she said with a big smile: "Thank you Bernie!" when he

talked about the American people being sick of the media blabbering about her damn emails during the debate. She was genuinely astonished because it's not something that she would do. That's about it. The rest, like you said, comes across as phony.

[Fawke Em]

134. No.

This wasn't a gender issue.

[leftofcool]

181. Yes it was. But thanks for playing

[Uncle Joe]

8. You missed this part of the transcript.

Now, to try to transform their grief, they went to court, where sometimes progress does happen when you file in court, but in this case, you want to talk about a - a rigged game, Senator? The game was rigged. A man had sold 4,000 rounds of military ammunition to this - this person that killed their daughter, riddled her body with five bullets, and he didn't even ask where it was going.
And not only did their case get thrown out of court, they were slapped with $200,000 in court fees because of the way that the NRA gets its way in our Congress and we take a backseat. It's time to stand up and pass comprehensive gun safety legislation as a nation.
(APPLAUSE)
COOPER: Senator Sanders, I want you to be able to respond, 30 seconds.
SANDERS: I think the governor gave a very good example about the weaknesses in that law and I think we have to take another look at it. But here is the point, Governor. We can raise our voices, but I come from a rural state, and the views on gun control in rural states are different than in urban states, whether we like it or not.
Our job is to bring people together around strong, commonsense gun legislation. I think there is a vast majority in this country who want to do the right thing, and I intend to lead the country in bringing our people together.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/10/13/cnn-democratic-debate-full-transcript/

Unless O'Malley is actually a woman, Bernie was speaking toward both genders and the entire nation.

raise one's voice

Talk louder, either to be heard more clearly or in anger, as in You'll have to raise your voice if you expect the audience to hear you, or Don't you raise your voice at me! [Late 1300s ]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/raise-one-s-voice

Thanks for the thread, boston bean.

[boston bean]

11. For real, now it will be he was talking about O'Malley, when he is directly responding to Clinton.

I love this stuff! LMFAO!

And he was so deferential to O'Malley, ok for the mens to raise their voices... but but but

[Uncle Joe]

16. Didn't you read your own transcript? Bernie was addressing O'Malley in the exchange which I posted.

[boston bean]

19. It has nothing to do with the point of the post, nor Hillary's comments nor Bernies.

You know the point at hand here, the one people have been pounding on all day here in GDP?

[cui bono]

26. It has everything to do with it. It shows he wasn't speaking to gender when he said that.

It wasn't about Hillary 'shouting' it was about the people/politicians in general shouting. It was not gender specific as it was not about Hillary.

I know you'll just come back with a nuh-uh, so I doubt I'll respond, but anyone without an agenda can see that.

Please proceed.

[msrizzo]

71. If not Hillary then who specifically has been shouting?

Last edited Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Wasn't he referring to somebody? Is he saying that gun control advocates are shouting? Then who? Gabby Giffords? The Sandy Hook parents? Barack Obama? Or was he just constructing a straw man or woman? I have been following the gun control movement for a long, long time and I don't know who he is talking about. Enlighten me please.

[thesquanderer]

121. He says that people on both sides of the gun issue shout instead of working to find common ground

from
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/hillary_clinton_is_smearing_bernie_sanders_as_a_sexist_it_s_an_insult_to.html (including links)

Let’s be clear: This isn’t what happened. During the debate exchange, Sanders answered O’Malley with the same point about “raising our voices.” Sanders has been giving this answer for years. He did it in July, after an O’Malley super PAC ad attacked him (“We have been yelling and screaming at each other about guns for decades,” said Sanders). He did it again in August, after a male surrogate for Clinton attacked him (“I can get beyond the noise and all of these arguments and people shouting at each other”). He did it again in October, after the mass shooting in Roseburg, Oregon (“People on both sides of this issue cannot simply continue shouting at each other”). Sanders gives this answer to everyone.

[msrizzo]

129. So a strawman then,

Since he is referring to no one in particular.

[Fawke Em]

137. No. We all know everyone has been shouting on the issue

instead of working together.

Most of us just want sensible gun control.

I have no problem with people who hunt PROPERLY even though I'm an animal rights activist. I have no problem with reasonable people owning reasonable guns putting them in reasonable places (away from children, for example) in their home, but I do think we need to close the loophole, check people and provide mental health services so that once reasonable people who have issues don't still have their guns (there are communities who have a "gun check" in place for those instances).

[cui bono]

155. Hillary is using it as a strawman, yes, if that's what you mean.

How the hell would Bernie saying that be a strawman?

[msrizzo]

157. I asked who Bernie says is shouting.....

He's the one who said it. Only answer I'm getting is just random people and politicians. If he doesn't mean anyone in particular it's a strawman because it's a diversion. That is my opinion and you are free to disagree.

[cui bono]

159. That's what Bernie said though, so what is it a diversion from?

Why is he trying to cause a diversion?

[msrizzo]

160. Never mind. nt

[BeanMusical]

169. It makes no sense whatsoever.

[cui bono]

152. People and politicians in general. Where did he specifically say Hillary was shouting?

Enlighten me please.

[msrizzo]

154. I'm not the one who said he said Hillary

I just want to know who specifically he meant? Who's been shouting? Can't you or he name anyone in particular? Just random people on the street?

[Jim Lane]

170. It's pretty clear if you approach it to try to understand rather than to try play victim

Sanders was expressing the opinion that people on both sides of the debate have been too absolutist and having chosen stridency in expressing their views when they should have chosen an attempt to find common ground. (I don't know if he's used that exact phrase. I think Clinton used it in talking about working with Republicans.)

As others have noted, he's expressed that opinion before. So he was talking about the "Obama is trying to grab your gun" crowd. On that stage, yes, he was talking about Clinton, and also about O'Malley, in response to whom he made the same point.

Think what you will of Sanders's position on guns -- I personally am to his left on this subject -- but it's little short of deliberate dishonesty to try to twist his turn of phrase as being a sexist putdown directed at Clinton solely because of her gender.

[Rilgin]

177. It is not short of deliberate dishonesty

It is deliberately dishonest in the way this OP and some of the posters are twisting a common expression about supporters of issues talking past each other and not acting together.

I have used this expression. I have used this expression analyzing from the outside deadlocked groups and have used this expression when it applied to my own side in a political debate.

I am sure that Hillary has used this type of expression in the past. It is that common an expression

I realize you were being generous in declaring it short of deliberate dishonesy. However, this case is pretty clear. It is deliberate dishonesty to try to make it a gender issue. The OP by implication and all those others directly should be ashamed of themselves.

[Rilgin]

106. It is disgusting

It is disgusting how they are using a figure of speech such as All the shouting in the world will not change X. I use this figure of speech often. Transcripts show Bernie does as well. I am sure Hillary has in the past since it is actually pretty common when one is trying to say that 2 sides are not hearing each other and something else is needed.


In fact, I think Bernie is slightly on the wrong side of the Gun Issue. I personally am a Gun Grabber but my wife is from the Midwest and her family are all gun owners so I have seen the rural political view first hand and realize there are at least some nuances to our gun problem.


The transcript of Hillary does not note she was shouting. I assume she was not. Anyone who does not want to twist words to make bad political points can read Bernie's words correctly in that he was not talking to one person but different sides of a political issues. Especially since people have posted that he says essentially the same thing in his stump speeches when he talks about gun issues.


Some of the DU posters who use such arguments should be ashamed of themselves if they could look at themselves from outside.

[cui bono]

158. Agree completely.

[Uncle Joe]

27. If your point was to cast Bernie's responses as sexist then you failed, in both exchanges between

Bernie vs Hillary and Bernie vs O'Malley, his response was nearly identical.

Clearly Bernie was speaking about the nation as a whole coming together on the gun issue, too much shouting or raising our voices in anger on both sides prevented meaningful common sense compromise on a very contentious issue.

[boston bean]

42. His responses were identical? Really?

[Uncle Joe]

53. Yes do I need to post the entirety of both responses?

[boston bean]

58. In on he is saying to the other man on stage it is OK to raise his voice.

In the other it is SHOUTING will not change a thing.

That's the basic gist.

[bravenak]

66. This is amusing.

[boston bean]

75. It can be fun sometimes.

[Uncle Joe]

87. Yes because men don't shout and women don't RAISE THEIR VOICE, is that what you're implying? n/t

[boston bean]

88. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm sayin..

[Uncle Joe]

92. Then you would be wrong. n/t

[boston bean]

95. Do you feel like you've won a prize or something?

[Uncle Joe]

97. Not particularly just in exposing an attempted smear against Bernie. n/t

[boston bean]

99. There was no attempted smear, it was a transcript.

You know an OP posting FACTS.

[Uncle Joe]

104. A heavily edited PORTION of the transcript taken out of context from the entire debate while

using a common English term in the worst possible demeaning light.

[boston bean]

107. ummmm, it was the relevant portions. Also, I provided you a whole link

to the entire transcript, which you used to make a point that actually bolstered the point I was making.

[Uncle Joe]

108. I did use your own link against your attempted smear but it didn't "bolster your point." n/t

[boston bean]

109. It surely did. So, thanks! nt

[retrowire]

119. As a dispassionate observer I must give

the win to Uncle Joe here.

[boston bean]

123. You owe me a keyboard!

[Uncle Joe]

124. Here's Bernie's interview from July and he used the terms yelling and screaming to describe

the American Nation on both sides of the divide.

[thesquanderer]

127. His responses to the two of them were essentially the same

To O'Malley, he is saying: we can raise our voices, but it won't accomplish anything.
To Clinton he is saying: all the shouting in the world won't accomplish anything,

You aren't going to seriously say that that gives one permission to shout and not the other, are you?

His point was simply that we need to get past the shouting from all sides and find common ground.

Also, see my post #121.

[BeanMusical]

172. She doesn't care.

It's a lousy smear attempt, it failed but she'll never admit it.

[Jim Lane]

171. I'll charitably assume that this is total reading comprehension fail on your part.

Did you notice the word "but" in the transcript?

You're trying to twist Sanders's words into what fits your Waaambulance: "Well, Governor, since you're a man, I'm certainly fine with you raising your voice, a privilege we naturally deny to this woman." That's pretty obviously not what he meant.

O'Malley had just pointed out an adverse consequence of a law that Sanders had voted for. Sanders responded:

I think the governor gave a very good example about the weaknesses in that law and I think we have to take another look at it. But here is the point, Governor. We can raise our voices, but I come from a rural state, and the views on gun control in rural states are different than in urban states, whether we like it or not.

Our job is to bring people together around strong, commonsense gun legislation. I think there is a vast majority in this country who want to do the right thing, and I intend to lead the country in bringing our people together.

In this context, it's obvious that "We can raise our voices" doesn't mean "It's perfectly OK for all of us (or at least all of us with Y chromosomes) to raise our voices." No. It means "We have the ability to raise our voices but that doesn't accomplish anything, so it's a bad idea, and instead we should bring people together."

In other words, he was making to "the man on stage" the same point that he had made to the woman on stage -- and, as others in this thread have noted, the same point that he had made in contexts where he was not on stage with any woman.

Women do, all too frequently, get disrespected when they speak forcefully. Many women are angry about it. That's justifiable. What's not justifiable is Clinton's attempt to exploit that anger by falsely imputing sexism where it doesn't exist.

She'll probably get some short-term bounce from it (although the major gain will be increased enthusiasm of people who were already committed to her). In the long run, though, this tactic may well end up hurting her. She's exacerbating one of her biggest weaknesses -- the widespread perception that she's too political and will just say anything to get an advantage.

[BeanMusical]

175. Very good post.

[cui bono]

18. Thanks for keeping it real Uncle Joe.

Someone has to do it.

[beam me up scottie]

51. OOPS. Thread over, thanks Uncle Joe!

[arcane1]

55. There you go, ruining a perfectly lame attempt at a smear.

[floriduck]

72. To paraphrase Hillary in Benghazi hearing,

I'm sorry this does not fit (Hillary snipers) narrative. But Uncle Joe is just stating the facts. Grow up children.

[ucrdem]

145. So Sanders used "shout" for Hillary and "raise our voices" for O'Malley?

Isn't that the point here?

[Agschmid]

149. Yes it appears to be.

I don't think there is anything to be gained by making this point, or pushing it. But yeah the people who jumped in to do "BOOM thread over" apprenty didn't really read it.

Go figure.

[ucrdem]

150. Thank you!

[Uncle Joe]

164. In July Sanders used "yelling and screaming" in this interview and just as in his rebuttals against

Hillary and O'Malley, in all cases Bernie was clearly speaking about the American People on both sides of the gun issue.

Pretending otherwise is just being disingenuous.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Be careful

I got a hide for quoting Bernie word-for-word.

[sheshe2]

14. Are you serious????

[Cali_Democrat]

38. I got two actually.

I posted no commentary, only quotes.

Sometimes posting exact quotes from Bernie is not tolerated if they make him look bad.

Check you mail box.

[sheshe2]

10. Ha!

You rock~ Thank you for the transcript, it dynamite.

[BeanMusical]

176. Lol, more like a wet firecracker.

[restorefreedom]

12. she did shout at him

but don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative

[boston bean]

17. She did? Are you one of those persons who think a woman voicing an opinion is yelling?

Wouldn't be the first.

[restorefreedom]

35. no, i am someone who can recognize the sound of a raised voice

its called empirical evidence.

[boston bean]

63. A transcript is evidence, a video is evidence.

How you recognize something is not empirical evidence.

[restorefreedom]

86. fine. call it an interpretation. i don't care

i watched the debate and that was my take. but really, we have much bigger tofu chunks to fry than who is yelling at who. i hope they ALL jump up and down and stomp their feet. this country is in big trouble.

[Fawke Em]

143. That was everybody's take, no matter their gender.

This is Hillary bullshit.

[restorefreedom]

180. :) nt

[BlueMTexpat]

28. LOL - you have a very strange definition

of "shouting" - and yes, I watched the entire debate.

[restorefreedom]

37. so did i

and her sexist accusation against him is bullshit imo

just another way of her avoiding real issues

[cui bono]

41. That's not what Bernie was talking about and I'm not sure you are correct.

But honestly, you're not helping him. His point was not about Clinton, it was about people/politicians in general.

[restorefreedom]

43. i know. but i don't think the inaccurate smears should stand imo. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

44. When did she shout at him? nt

[restorefreedom]

46. she answered the gun question with a pretty loud voice

considering he was standing right next to her.

i don't really think we need to get into the details of what constitues shouting. its a judgement call. in the ear of the beholder imo. there will not be a consensus.

[boston bean]

48. You think so, huh? I just watched it again and I didn't hear her "shouting".

And isn't it funny that in the same exchange but with O'Malley, Bernie give his permission to raise his voice.

[restorefreedom]

60. i am willing to acknowledge that at one point or other

the three remaining candidates ALL shouted/raised voice during the debate.

and fwiw, i don't know what the issue is. sometimes voices get raised while discussing important issues. its not a bad thing.

[boston bean]

62. You would have to ask Bernie why he felt it important to address Clinton in that manner

and why he chose to be deferential to Martin O'Malley.

[restorefreedom]

82. perhaps he was responding to the energy they were sending his way

i truly don't know and i don't care. we are in serious danger of losing our democracy for good. the fact that people are shouting and fighting gives me hope that people still give a shit. so they can all yell for all i care. just fricking DO something to go with the damn yelling is all.

[boston bean]

85. Martin O'Mally was ripping him a new one on it.

So, the guy gets respect, the woman, gets scolded for "shouting".

[restorefreedom]

90. and if bernie did not respond in kind then he should have

but if you seriously think bernie is a misogynist sexist whatever, you need to refresh yourself on his record.

[boston bean]

98. I think he was being sexist. Do I think he is a sexist, no.

It is so ingrained in our culture, many times it needs to be pointed out.

[restorefreedom]

103. i don't dispute that. much is unconscious, even from women at times.

but having studied his record even before he ran, i think i would tend to attribute it to heat of the moment debate energy. also i wonder if the geography made a difference. hillary was right next to him. any interaction would feel magnified. martin was a couple of people away. just a thought.

[cherokeeprogressive]

147. I thought she raised her voice above that which was necessary.

[restorefreedom]

183. seemed so. nt

[sadoldgirl]

13. This just proves that you have never heard

him say that before. Yes, he has without anyone
debating him.I heard it from him at least 3 times.

It does not matter, her insistence on serious gun
control will allow her to lose the election in many states.
Unless, of course, she switches her position again.

[zappaman]

15. I like him but he always reminds me of this...

[boston bean]

23. But as per the transcript posted above by a Bernie supporter

Bernie was quite deferential to Martin O'Malley.

[cui bono]

32. Oh my....

What big filters you have.

[boston bean]

34. Is that a compliment?

[cui bono]

36. I'm sure you can spin it however you like to make yourself feel right.

[cui bono]

30. So why is it okay for you to post that pic? What if someone did that about Hillary?

Should you really be posting something like that while complaining that Sanders is sexist?

[zappaman]

68. Sanders is sexist?

Where did I say that?

[cui bono]

151. lol... I worded that wrong! But what if someone posted that about Hillary?

Don't you think that would be wrong? That would be considered sexist on here. And in an OP which is trying to smear Sanders as sexist.

So why is it okay to post that about Sanders? I will take it that it's okay to post similar pics of old women yelling and no one should complain, right?

[Bread and Circus]

20. I demand you retract this OP and offer Sanders an apology

For it.

Sanders has frequently used the "shouting at each" speech many times almost word for word PRIOR to the debate.

This was not a personal statement about Clinton alone but I do admit he is aiming it at the group she is part of. Those he believes can't be reasonable and see both sides of the issue.

The fairness of that is debatable.

But to act like that is personally about Clinton is just wrong to anyone with impartial reason.

Just look at the history of his statements.

It is easy just google sanders shouting at each other and watch the videos prior to the debate.

And then to claim this is sexism is pure cynical dishonest spin from the Clinton campaign.

I expect you to modify your OP and print an a correction.

[boston bean]

21. ROFLMAO! I will not issue a retraction of a debate transcript. LOL

[Bread and Circus]

24. Right. I mean the stupid statements you made or linked at the end.

You know what I mean. Don't be a jerk.

[cui bono]

33. ...

EDITED

[JTFrog]

74. That is such a slimy tactic...

Why not just delete what you wrote instead?

She can't help it.
She's a Clinton Caver.

The "EDITED" with the little winky smiley is the coward's way out; hoping to avoid a hidden post while making rude and over the top personal attacks. Why not just own up to what you posted or delete it?

That is of course a rhetorical question.

[cui bono]

153. You're right, it's immature.

I guess I get caught up in the drama here too much lately. But it is true that the posters on that site are so full of hatred for DUers. Maybe I should just post it in public like is done in the Hillary group where they write OPs calling other DUers unhinged.

But still, no matter, what I did was immature. DU brings out the best in me!

[JTFrog]

117. "Don't be a jerk."

Says the guy coming in a making demands like an internet tough guy.

[Bread and Circus]

161. :)

[bravenak]

69. Lolololololololol!!!

[Squinch]

111. AverageJoe90 is that you? Because, to be honest, you sound a lot like that loon.

I demand you give me a thousand dollars and kiss my feet.

See how asinine that is?

[JTFrog]

118. ..

[Bread and Circus]

162. Does "I strongly request you please stop lying" sound better?

[Squinch]

188. I demand you apologize for saying that. And then I demand that you buy me a car.

[Bread and Circus]

191. Haha :)

[bravenak]

194. And I demand soup and cracker for my cold!!

And you must chat with me while I eat and work to remote control!! I demand it!! My head hurts.

[Bread and Circus]

195. Alright alright point well made :)

You guys are killing me

[bravenak]

196. I hope you come tho.

[Squinch]

197. Poor baby! This sounds like a miserable one. Feel better.

[bravenak]

198. I think it's breaking. Thank you. Next week is going to be good.

[bravenak]

165. I miss Joe!!!

I remember him putting his collective foot down on me.

[Squinch]

187. I remember that too. I think he was a centipede.

How've you been, my dear?

[bravenak]

190. I have been good. Got a cold though and skipped class. Too burned out to go with this cough.

How have you been? Hopefully you don't catch this cold! Stay way far from the sickies. This hurts.

[Squinch]

192. I know you are on the other end of the country from me,

but that damn cold is all over the place here too. I hope you feel better soon. Take care of yourself. Let's demand that Bread and Circuses goes out and gets you some chicken soup and nice crackers to help you get well.

[bravenak]

193. I demand it. Let me go tell him.

[HerbChestnut]

22. Pretty clear he wasn't referring to her directly.

And having heard Bernie's stance on gun issues many times, it's painfully obvious that when he references 'shouting' he's talking about people on both sides and no one in particular.

[boston bean]

31. I think Uncle Joe's post above absolutely does show he was referring to her directly,

by way of giving Martin O'Malley permission to raise his voice,

Now, to try to transform their grief, they went to court, where sometimes progress does happen when you file in court, but in this case, you want to talk about a - a rigged game, Senator? The game was rigged. A man had sold 4,000 rounds of military ammunition to this - this person that killed their daughter, riddled her body with five bullets, and he didn't even ask where it was going.
And not only did their case get thrown out of court, they were slapped with $200,000 in court fees because of the way that the NRA gets its way in our Congress and we take a backseat. It's time to stand up and pass comprehensive gun safety legislation as a nation.
(APPLAUSE)
COOPER: Senator Sanders, I want you to be able to respond, 30 seconds.
SANDERS: I think the governor gave a very good example about the weaknesses in that law and I think we have to take another look at it. But here is the point, Governor. We can raise our voices, but I come from a rural state, and the views on gun control in rural states are different than in urban states, whether we like it or not.
Our job is to bring people together around strong, commonsense gun legislation. I think there is a vast majority in this country who want to do the right thing, and I intend to lead the country in bringing our people together.

[HerbChestnut]

49. No, sorry, that's just not the case.

I watched the debate, and I'm familiar with Bernie's messaging on this topic, and it's clear that he wasn't singling anyone out here.

[boston bean]

52. Well, you would have to admit he was quite deferential to the man on the stage

who was going after his throat regarding this topic. Giving him allowance to raise his voice.

[HerbChestnut]

64. I'm not really sure what you mean.

[WIProgressive88]

130. Oh, come on. You don't really believe this, do you?

[boston bean]

131. Yeah.

[cui bono]

45. It's extremely clear.

This is an OP by someone who simply hates Bernie (most likely because it's "her turn dammit&quot and posts as such over at the Bernie hate group, the Clinton Cave. Why they are allowed on DU any more at all is beyond me. Nothing but shit stirrers who have admitted to alert stalking and manipulating juries here.

[NCTraveler]

25. Oops. Nt

[portlander23]

40. Sure

Bernie Sanders: Here's how I differ from Mrs. Clinton

Hillary Clinton: Bernie hates women

Stay classy everyone!

[truebrit71]

84. LOL!! FTW!

Brilliant!

[dorkzilla]

96. Spot on!

Lol well done!

[iandhr]

138. No

"HRC: "Bernie voted against background check"

Bernie: "Don't shout at me"

The issue is that HRC called Bernie out on a matter of substance and he couldn't think of a response.

[portlander23]

144. Sure!

[Vattel]

47. He used the same expression when he responded to O'Malley:

SANDERS: I think the governor gave a very good example about the weaknesses in that law and I think we have to take another look at it. But here is the point, Governor. We can raise our voices, but I come from a rural state, and the views on gun control in rural states are different than in urban states, whether we like it or not. Our job is to bring people together around strong, commonsense gun legislation. I think there is a vast majority in this country who want to do the right thing, and I intend to lead the country in bringing our people together.

It is obviously just a way of making a point. It doesn't refer to any particular person's shouting. Duh!

[boston bean]

50. Yes, he was quite deferential to Martin, giving permission to the other man to raise his voice.

But told Hillary all the shouting in the world wasn't going to make a difference.

LOL

[arcane1]

59. LOL you are stretching this until it's one atom thick

"We can raise our voices, but..." is permission for the man, but not the woman?

[boston bean]

65. You got to look at who he is responding to.

It is quite clear in both instances.

[Vattel]

113. He was expressing the same basic idea to each of them

even if he used slightly different language. Surely you can see that.

[DrBulldog]

57. Please just stop spreading your nonsense.

The vast majority knew exactly what he meant from the get-go.

[boston bean]

61. It's a transcript for goodness sakes. It doesn't lie.

[Fred Sanders]

70. That is true, but trials are held in person for a reason and not by transcript. The video is better.

Tone of voice, expression, demeanour are vital to truth - all lacking in discussion boards with the predictsvle results. Not that it would change the conclusion in this example....Sanders was clearly addressing Clinton who was standing right beside her as he looked at her....so....verdict delivered.

As an aside, no one does yelling better than Sanders!

[frylock]

67. Keep misrepresenting that chicken

[cwydro]

76. I like both candidates, and I don't think his comment was in the least sexixt.

"All the shouting in the world" is a time worn comment.

Come on Hillary folks, drop this.

I'm a long time Hillary supporter...on the fence now, but probably will go for her.

She doesn't need this nonsense.

[V0ltairesGh0st]

77. Iv'e decided im not voting forthis MAIN STREET poser.

That only takes donations from WALL STREET if that's what you mean

[Comrade Grumpy]

78. Wait, what are we arguing over? Really?

There are important issues at hand in this primary.

[mcar]

79. K&R

For reality, what a concept!

[passiveporcupine]

81. HE was speaking directly to her, not about her

She was not shouting, so why would he accuse her of shouting. But across the nation a lot of people have been shouting. That is who he was referring to.

To try to make this "about her" is absurd and a move of desperation.

[boston bean]

83. You would have to ask Bernie why he phrased his response that way to her,

when he responded to O'Malley (who btw was ripping him a new asshole on the issue) he was quite deferential and saying that it was OK to raise voices.

[passiveporcupine]

100. Please self-delete...this is obnoxious

It's not right for a DU member to post insulting images of any democratic nominee.

[Persondem]

125. Kind of amazing that the other response to this post was hidden by a narrow 4-3 vote

That means that 3 DUers thought that pic was ok!!!!!!!!!!!

Those are 3 sad MF-ers

[Spitfire of ATJ]

89. "All the shouting in the world" is an EXPRESSION....

An no, It doesn't sound like it was directed at Hillary at all.

Hillary twists things into their worse possible implications which is something she admires about Republicans.

It's what they did to get people to support the invasion of Iraq.

[boston bean]

91. Then why did he tell O'Malley it was ok to raise voices over the same issue and points, actually?

He made the distinction.

[blackspade]

94. Still flogging this I see.....

The problem is that you are reading what you want to hear into it.
One could determine that he was speaking about himself in this context given the intensity of his speaking style from your quoted passage. Or the President. Or the grieving family members.

This is yet another ginned up 'controversy' by the M$M and their corporate masters to keep eyes on their networks so they can rake in more cash.
Don't buy into it anymore than you buy into Clinton's "e-mail controversy."

[forest444]

102. Well, they're both right:

When it comes to guns and ammo, we're not doing even the basic dilligence one would expect from any minimally civilized country. No effective regulations as to how and where guns can or cannot be used, no control as to who can buy and/or sell, no nationwide registration, nothing.

But make no mistake: the GOP has made sure that the politics in today's America - especially in rural America - make it all but impossible to enact even the mildest controls over guns.

[houston_radical]

115. SHE IS NOT LIBERAL!!

She is a Centrist!!
this shouting issue is a deflection
stick to substance

[retrowire]

120. absolutely. A game of deflection from the issues.

Because SOMEONE....

Can't play the game with the issues, they've gotta use all the tricks of the trade.

Meanwhile, Hillary supporters will say, "How presidential! She's JUST like a politician!"

I'd rather vote for someone more real.

Bernie.

[retrowire]

116. Helping your candidate play the weak gender card eh?

"All the shouting" is not equal to "All of your shouting" so no, it wasn't directly towards any specific person.

Such a fine quality of a leader to play the victim. LOL

[George II]

122. When is the Senator from a "rural state" (and a tiny one at that) going to STOP legislating....

.....for URBAN states where people are getting slaughtered by the hundreds and thousands each year?

[Persondem]

126. Great post. Thank you. Sanders clearly has no people skills.

And I cannot recall anyone ever calling him "Presidential". You certainly don't get things done by talking that way. K & R

[Eric J in MN]

128. Sanders said the same thing previously

...with no reference to Hillary Clinton.

[Fawke Em]

132. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Go play with your polls.

This is NOT sexist.

[Fawke Em]

135. My husband is from Boston.

I thought Bostonians were more astute than this.

[iandhr]

139. The OP is a Bostonian who is very astute.

Most of them aren't though

[Fawke Em]

142. Well, we know sexism when we see it and this isn't it. eom

[Ed Suspicious]

136. This one has legs. Let it run! You're on to something this time!

[Juicy_Bellows]

140. Too many beans, and now we have a wicked pantload. nt.

[postatomic]

141. I had posted this before

Since it's just some words I watched that part of the video.... 3 times. Is Bernie being sexist? I don't know. At the very least he is exercising a little snark toward Hillary. I could see that Bernie was really very uncomfortable talking about this. He just pushed 'play' on his built-in 8 Track player.

I didn't realize just how bad Vermont was in terms of gun control.

Vermont is one of only three states in America that allows anyone to carry concealed weapons without a permit.

The other two states are Alaska and Arizona.

Additionally, Vermont is one of few states in the nation that allow citizens younger than the age of 21 to carry. In Vermont, anyone age 16 or older can carry handguns openly or concealed. For youths under the age of 16, parental consent is needed before a handgun can be carried.

Vermont has a firearms preemption law that prevents cities or counties from enacting gun laws that are more restrictive than state law. The state also has a range protection law that extends protection to gun firing ranges.

Restrictions

Gun bans: None.

Waiting periods for gun purchases: None.

License or permit to purchase guns: None.

Registration of guns: None.

[AgingAmerican]

146. Irrelevent nonsense

Bottom feeding

[Beausoir]

148. Certain men don't like it when a strong, smart woman speaks.

Bernie is threatened by Hillary.

Bernie is a joke and he deserves to be treated as such.

[Bread and Circus]

163. Do you not get the irony of your own "tagline" in this post? Seriously do you just not get it?

Your post:

Bernie is threatened by Hillary.

Bernie is a joke and he deserves to be treated as such.

^^^^what you are saying^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Be kind. Don't Judge." <<<<<<< Your tagline

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Hint: They don't got together

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Are you seriously implying Bernie Sanders is sexist and exhibiting some form of mysogyny....because....he is speaking out at a political debate about Americans "shouting" at each other regarding gun control? About something he has clearly said over and over prior to this debate that has no sexist connotation whatsoever...

I mean I can't even begin to fathom the illogic.

And this is our discourse in America these days.

Good grief.

[BeanMusical]

178. Illogical indeed.

[Warren DeMontague]

179. Yes, yes, that must be it.

[boston bean]

182. You are a great feminist. Taking concerns of feminists and calling it drama.

I don't know how the feminist movement could go on without such magnificent support like that.

[Warren DeMontague]

184. I think it's ridiculous to try to paint Sanders as "not liking it when a strong woman speaks" due to

that quote.

That's not "concerns", that's just making shit up.

[philosslayer]

185. Amen

Amazing how some here just do not get that.

[mhatrw]

166. Did Sanders say Clinton was shouting? No. He said that shouting would not solve the problem.

That's what he always says about gun control: that we need to stop shouting and start making some common sense consensus compromises on the issue in order to bridge the huge ideological divide between rural gun lovers and urban gun haters.

[Live and Learn]

173. And you could tell he was yelling because of the bold font? nt

[BainsBane]

186. Because he shouts a lot

That is why the comment was so surreal.

[LexVegas]

189. Sexism. nt