Why doesn't the Clinton camp and Democratic Party elites attack

[mmonk]

Bernie on the issues he raises and some of his proposals instead of using sketchy insinuations or attacking his supporters? Or counter them with specifics instead of flowery me too speeches without any details? There seems to be too little in real debating.

[Scuba]

1. Because they know if it comes down to issues, they're toast.

[daleanime]

26. +1

The last thing they want to do is remind people about the issues and Hillary's continuing evolution on them.

[JackInGreen]

2. Imo

They've got little else to hit him on.

[mmonk]

4. I suppose. I would love to see more details though.

I'm sure there are others out there in the public that would love more details from all our candidates actually. I know today's media doesn't lend itself much to those things anymore.

[Vinca]

3. Because they know Bernie is right.

[Thinkingabout]

5. Why attack Hillary and her supporters? Spending time talking about how great the candidate is on

The issues and the plan to implement the agenda would be better. As a Hillary supporter reading attack after attack and many are the same talking points I hear on FOX and simply not true. Yes, I respond.

[mmonk]

8. I'm not. Wouldn't you like to hear more details as well?

More details by O'Malley as well (I think he has tried at detail at times).

[Thinkingabout]

45. This would be much more productive, we don't have to have a Clown Car and show, leave this to

the Republicans, they already have reservations on all the gigs.

[mmonk]

47. Amen to that. We aren't the crazy train.

[daleanime]

29. Yes, I would love to hear about a "plan to implement the agenda"

from Hillary.

[Thinkingabout]

46. Listen, she is giving it, some in different speeches.

[daleanime]

49. That's strange, could you provide a link....

because I've heard nothing about how she plans on working with/against a republican congress.

[AgingAmerican]

50. She implies she will work with them

To 'Get things done' AKA more grand bargains in which they get permanent concessions and we get a few token band-aids.

[Thinkingabout]

52. Glad you ask, I hopes this helps

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campus-sexual-assault/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/disability-rights/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/early-childhood-education/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/plan-raise-american-incomes/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/k-12-education/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/labor/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/lgbt-equality/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/national-security/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/rural-communities/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/small-business/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/social-security-and-medicare/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/addiction/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/voting-rights/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/wall-street/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/womens-rights-and-opportunity/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/workforce-and-skills/

[LuvNewcastle]

6. This is just how the Clintons roll.

If they can't win the debate on the issues, they're going to use every sleazy tactic they have to smear shit on their opponent. Rumor and innuendo is their thing. I've got no respect at all for either of them. They have only cared about money and power their entire lives, and they'll crank up the Wurlitzer to drown out anyone who gets in their way.

[Thinkingabout]

48. Are you talking about sleazy tactics like Sanders is claiming is going to happen?

[Recursion]

7. Because their areas of disagreement with him are miniscule?

I'm struggling to come up with a real substantive difference.

[mmonk]

9. Me either on what's real or could be effective in real world usage.

[Armstead]

37. They are small this month. Wait til the General when Clinton no longer has to....

worry about placating and bamboozling the pesky liberal/progressives in the base.

Then it'll all be about personal responsibility, family values and how it's just a matter of rolling up your sleeves and playing by the rules to get ahead in the Greatest Country on Earth. . And of course, how we will have to initiate austerity measures to tame that awful deficit,

[mmonk]

43. +1

[jeff47]

51. They're actually pretty large.

Minimum wage, free college, "too big to fail", the next steps in healthcare reform, interventionism in the middle east, and others.

[Gman]

10. You're known by the company you keep

And Sanders has a lot of unsavory friends. His friends refuse to see it. They refuse to fix it. They are taking Sanders down.

[mmonk]

11. List them and show how they affect policy in the United States and Bernie's positions then.

Otherwise, sketchy and obscure as they say.

[LuvNewcastle]

13. Everybody knows who Hillary's

"unsavory friends" are. Nobody would even have to ask who they were if I mentioned that she had "unsavory friends." Anyway, what are people supposed to do if someone on the internet who claims to be a Bernie supporter says something ugly? Do we report them to Bernie? This is foolishness.

[Gman]

18. Don't need to

Everyone sees it and are tired of putting up with it. It's Sanders' problem to ID them. Not mine.

If he really does want to be prez, that is.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. In 08 the internet was full of people claiming to be 'Obama supporters who would say horrible

things about LGBT people, Obama was 'against marriage equality' to the rat fuckers would post 'Come election night when Barack wins, West Hollywood goes down in flames, burn it to the ground!'
Now, being a person with a brain I understood that even is such rat fuckers were 'real Obama supporters' they were also just bigoted assholes who did not represent Barack Obama nor the feelings of most of his supporters. In Obama's case he was in fact saying he was opposed to our rights and he was holding rallies with anti gay evangelists, so there was 'actual evidence of his bigotry'. One could in fact look at Obama's own actions and say 'that is anti gay'.
Bernie is not doing anything similar to holding rallies with anti gay evangelists. And yet all it takes for some people is to read a Tweet from a twit and they rearrange their world to suit the twit. In my view anyone who does that is a chump.

Anyone can say anything on the internet and they do. Persons of agency do not yield to the will of nameless pixels on a screen.

I can't think of anything stupider than taking internet comments at face value and then taking action motivated by those comments. It's on the same level of stupid as voting for Republicans. It is an action exclusive to chumps.

[Scootaloo]

32. So you got nothin'. Just throwing shit at a wall and hoping it sticks

[Gman]

53. It appears the media is latching onto the issue

And if it's not fixed soon, Sanders is done. Of course those in denial will invoke the media conspiracy stuff. But then, they re in denial of the problem.

[Armstead]

38. You know....Those sinister Ben and Jerry Guys

[Le Taz Hot]

19. I believe there's several pictures of Hillary getting all BFFy

with the likes of Donald Trump and Henry Kissinger, the latter should be in the Hague for war crimes.

[Gman]

20. So that excuses Sanders supporters?

Sorry that dog don't hunt.

[Le Taz Hot]

22. And I quote:

"You're known by the company you keep"

[upaloopa]

12. There isn't much difference between the Dem candidates on the issues.

Hillary is running her campaign and doing a damn good job at it. Just as she will run her administration.

It seems a bit odd to me that the ones losing the argument want the one winning to play according to their plan.

on edit:

Just look at the Bernie supporters posts on this board. Are they telling us what Bernie's plans for the country are? No they are a litany of lies about Hillary. They are constant Hillary bashing posts.

Why should we play to that kind of game plan? It's what right wingers do. They throw out bogus talking points then want you to defend against them. So much of what Bernie supporters do is right out of the wing nut's play book. Then they complain that we are attacking Bernie's Supporters. Sorry we just aren't going to take the bait. You are losing we are winning. Losers don't get to make the rules.

[mmonk]

14. What argument are we losing?

[upaloopa]

17. The argument that Bernie should be the next President.

[Scootaloo]

33. I'm sorry, but someone who will vote for Trump if Clinton isn't the nominee doesn't get to say that

[Capn Sunshine]

54. That's just crazy talk. Seriously

If someone said that, they are out of their fucking minds. That's not even of this earth.

Show me those statements, I need to be aware of these nutjobs.

[NurseJackie]

15. Yes, it is odd. But it's also what I'd expect.

[kenfrequed]

39. Actually there are huge differences

Mostly in how things are paid for and in the differences between structural change versus embroidering around the existing structure.

Bernie wants a higher minimum wage at $15 an hour on the federal level. Hillary has been a lot less specific on this score. Hillary wants a bonus sharing plan that would refund a company at half the rate of bomuses they offer in some kind of tax incentive up to a certain total rate.

Bernie wants all public colleges to be tuition free. Hillary wants a complicated program that doesn't specifically lock the banks out of they system, states that families should have to pay something for the education, has an unspecified work program, and seems to be more interested in tax credits.

Bernie wants single payer universal healthcare as a right for all and Hillary wants to eliminate the "Accord tax" (I refuse to call it a Cadillac tax). I will give Hillary a tiny amount of credit on this score, but it is clear where the vision is on this score.

All of these differences illustrate serious and substantive differences between their policies. Hillary's plans sound like the 90's never ended. The problem with tax incentives is that they are far more easily removed later on down the road. A tax credit rarely has a serious constituency that will take to the streets like changing Social Security or eliminating 12th grade high school might.

From a negotiating stance starting where she is will result in something 3/4 closer to where the republicans are on an issue which in most case is nothing.

But the real problem is how strong the vision is in these changes and the desperation in trying to sound sort of populist while trying to appease her massive list of donors at the same time. No one really imagines that she is actually against the TPP or the Keystone pipeline but the way she makes noises about these will convince reporters not to bring them up which will diminish their position in the public consciousness.

[99Forever]

16. They haven't evolved to that level yet.

Shitslinging is a hard habit to break.

[FlatBaroque]

21. Because on the issues they lose every single f'ing time.

[NCTraveler]

24. Sanders isn't really being attacked by the Clinton campaign or the party elites.

This is just about the most polite primary I have ever seen. If one thinks these are serious attacks, one must be amazingly thin skinned or this it their first foray into politics.

And trying to paint a wealthy white man as a victim isn't going to go over very well as a strategy. Sanders can take this little back and forth. Much better than others, that's for sure. Try having a whole party make things up as they come after you. That's being attacked. Sanders attacked by Clinton and the party? It's becoming a joke at this point.

[Agschmid]

27. Yup.

Why would she attack she is 30 pts. ahead in national polling and up to +60 in some states.

[artislife]

36. First foray into politics

Tell me when your camp doesn't cry "Sexism" at the drop of a hat. No matter who it is aiming it at.

[NCTraveler]

40. ok. And here is some beautiful hold music to listen to while you wait for my reply.

[artislife]

42. She is

someone who tests the wind before she decides to hold a position, for whatever time allowed for it to work in her favor.

I see her and think "untrustworthy".

Here is some beautiful music and imagery. It may be too inspirational, though.
https://www.facebook.com/mongolianmusic/videos/10155991173680161/

[upaloopa]

28. There is no reason to attack Bernie

Why don't you recognize the effect you are having on other people?
It is really mean season around here.
On edit:
Just read the anti Hillary posts in this thread. We are not saying shit like that about Bernie.

[artislife]

35. You are angels, angels I say. nt

[quickesst]

30. Because...

... she is busy attacking Republicans who are wrong on everything. She has her priorities straight. No matter how one spins it, it's an undeniable fact.

[emulatorloo]

31. Because she is busy attacking Republicans like Trump, Bush and so on.

Despite the impression of some here, she has not gone hard negative on Bernie.

Nor has Bernie gone hard negative on her.

She has criticized his votes on gun bills, but Bernie can easily handle that

[artislife]

34. Because, they may be on the same side

of some of these issues at some point during the campaign season?

Even they don't know which issues the thrown dart will land on.

[Armstead]

41. Because the basic pretext is different, and awkward for the Democratic Establishment

Bernie is basically saying the country is hurting because there has been an unholy alliance between the Elites in the political and corporate world for 40 years. We have allowed the development of an Oligarchy akin to thhe Gilded Age. And that has to be changed, and the population has to start fighting back (politically) to bring some balance back into the system.

The Clinton Camp and the rest if the corporate faction of the Democratic Establishment will not say that. Their message is that things are fine as they are , if we could just take over from those Republicans., The system just needs a tweak here a tweak there, and people will be better off.

They will never acknowledge the depth and breadth of the problem, or advocate for Fundamental Reform.

So they'd rather co-opt the easy stuff (in a way that has plausible deniability later), and say "Pay no attention" to the larger problem or the power of the Oligarchy. Just beat the Republicans and there will be a chicken in every pot.

[kelliekat44]

44. I haven't heard any candidate say things are "fine as they are." More BS BS. nt

[UglyGreed]

55. We are a lot easier to attack

Bernie not so much since he acts like what a real democrat should act like.