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Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:05 AM

Why do your electoral process take so long?

Is it a mandate in your constitution?

Am curious, here in Canada, we had three months and voters were complaining it was too long! Mind you, within the three months, we got to know more about Mr. Justin Trudeau's policies and we even got to know who Mr. Tom Mulcair policies were. Well, Mr. Trudeau won as we all know!

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Reply Why do your electoral process take so long? (Original post)
akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 OP
msongs Oct 2015 #1
akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #4
HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #9
akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #12
HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #23
Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #2
akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #10
liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #3
akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #5
liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #7
akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #15
liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #17
newfie11 Oct 2015 #18
WillyT Oct 2015 #8
akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #11
akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #6
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #20
Ron Green Oct 2015 #13
liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #14
akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #16
Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #19
liberal N proud Oct 2015 #21
brooklynite Oct 2015 #22
NCTraveler Oct 2015 #24

Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:09 AM

1. too much $$ gets made by corporations & it benefits the people not much nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:13 AM

4. There has to be some kind of electoral reform where the bankers cannot control

who wins in an election. That is the problem, the candidates preach they are for mainstream people but in the end, they bail out the bankers! I have no idea whom to trust anymore.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:22 AM

9. There is, but good luck getting candidates to support it.

 

Turns out one of Bernie Sanders' main talking points is getting money out of politics. He wants to overturn the Citizen's United Supreme Court decision, which allowed for SuperPACs, and he wants to move to public funding of elections. Those two steps would make it virtually impossible for people to buy the elections. As you might guess, not all of the candidates agree on that platform.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:30 AM

12. I understand what Mr. Sanders mean, the thing is, there has to be some kind of

electoral reform where Candidates do not have to rely on super pacs to fund their campaign. If the superpacs fund your campaign, then you have to give them what they want if you win the elections. Mr. Sanders is against superpac and there is where I think he will lose to Mrs. Clinton. She has all the money bags in her corner.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:26 AM

23. It's a difficult fight for sure.

 

But at the end of the day, SuperPACs just need to be abolished. Period. Candidates will always need money to run a campaign, but we can limit the amount of money available to them and where it comes from.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:09 AM

2. Because there are billions of dollars to take.

That can't happen overnight.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:23 AM

10. You mean the super pac with money to spare to get their lackey elected?

I cannot see Mr. Sanders being elected, so it will be Mrs. Clinton and to tell you the truth, I prefer her than Trump!

If trump gets elected, have no idea what his infantile behaviour will result in!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:13 AM

3. Elections are big business. Lots of companies profit from the election process especially

the media. There really is no limit on how much money can be spent on elections anymore much like war, so drawing the process out as long as possible means more money for those who profit off of it. Funny how we have all the money in the world to buy elections or go to war but we have to cut disability benefits and even Democrats ask just how is Bernie going to pay for single payer health care and tuition free college. Well that is pretty damn simple. You increase taxes on the wealthy and spend less on war. Funny how we can't even get Democrats to support taxing the rich and spending less on war. We are lost. We no longer have a democracy here in the US. We have an oligarchy.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:15 AM

5. You are making me sick to my stomach. The world looks up to America for guidance and leadership.

How the hell the media is now speaking for the US?

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:19 AM

7. We are nothing to look up to, and believe me it makes us sick to our stomachs as well.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:40 AM

15. That is not true, worldwide, people respect America but of late, those

teabaggers in office are the world's worst nightmare. Those dimwits have no clue about foreign policy and they are dismissive. Do you really think that when people across the world see the republican line out, they are even remotely interested in one of them being the President of the US? Trump, hell no, Rubio, hell no, Cruz, hell no, another bush, well he cannot gain traction. The two clowns will never ever get any leverage during the general election against Mrs. Clinton.
I rest my case!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:46 AM

17. We lost most of the world's respect with Iraq and unfortunately we are continuing our war

with the Middle East. I doubt Clinton will do much to restore the world's faith in us.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:27 AM

18. So very true nt

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:20 AM

8. I'm Afraid Those Days Are Waning... Money In Politics.

 

Sorry.

But you can help... even from Canada: http://www.wolf-pac.com/

We already have 4 or 5 states on the board.



Check us out.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:26 AM

11. I will check the site out. Don't despair yet.

We have overcome a lot of adversities, the road ahead is not that smooth, but according to Martin Luther King, we will see the promised land.

Hang in there, things will change.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:19 AM

6. I understand, but big business do not vote, people vote. How come these people are able to

manipulate the electoral process. Does not make sense to me!

In 2008, people in the US were voting for the lesser of two evils and come 2016, you are still voting for the lesser of two evils.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:37 AM

20. As long as people are willing to vote for the lesser of two evils, that's all you'll ever be offered

We have to get to a place where enough people refuse to vote even for lesser evils to turn things around.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:32 AM

13. We're not really citizens any more so much as consumers.

Our political process has very little to do with issues and ideas, it's most about whether we "like" a candidate. There's a very long period for marketing and image-making.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:33 AM

14. marketing. Yes, that is exactly what it is.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:44 AM

16. I will have to disagree with you. How about protesting and writing to your Senator?

You just cannot accept the status quo and live with it! How do you think Civil Rights got traction, people protested, lots of people died for the cause. And in these modern times, god help you if you black and your car break down, nothing has changed! Sorry, am pissed at that incident and needed to get it off my chest.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:32 AM

19. because some things are meant to be savored sloooooooooowly

...like a root canal.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:57 AM

21. If you shorten it up, there is less money exchanged

The candidates want as long as they can to collect as much money as they can and the media wants as much money as they can get out of ratings and advertising.

It also gives the media lots of things they can hype they can use to divert people attention.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:12 AM

22. How about a serious answer?

First, no, there's no legal requirement on the length of an Election. Unlike Canada, Federal Elections are held on the 2nd Tuesday of each even numbered year (with 2-4-6 year terms).

There are two reasons for the length of the campaigns and neither of them are "to make money". The first is that, unlike Canada, we have a nomination process for our individual candidates, rather than a Party designated nomination or list. The second is, because candidates feel that to get nominated, they need extra time to win the Primary. Part of that is campaigning, part of that is raising the funds needed to campaign because one's opponent has decided to. For better or worse, Buckley Vs. Valeo (a Supreme Court decision from the 70s) determined that you couldn't limit campaign spending, so candidates spend the early phase of their campaigns fundraising.

Could you "order" the campaign to not start until a later date? Yes, but what difference does it make? When I went to the Democratic Convention in 2012, I saw Martin O'Malley address the Ohio delegation and Brian Schweitzer address the New Hampshire delegation. Neither had "announced" a campaign; neither had campaign staff. Were they campaigning? Of course they were.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:32 AM

24. Very large country with....

 

With populations center spread out everywhere. It's impossible for our candidates to meet the people in a short amount of time. Many issues are vastly different from state to state. While I don't personally like the length of the campaign season, I can find no fault in it. Politicians meeting the people and being fully vetted is a good thing, not a bad thing. Most countries can get this done in a quicker time period.

While Canada is spread out, it has the population of California, with many of its residents in a few major "hubs."

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