2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Rattles Prison Stocks With a Single Tweet
Hillary Clinton may not be president, but she's moving the markets like she is one. For the second time in three weeks, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination wiped millions of dollars off the value of an industry with a single tweet.
On Friday, private prison stocks dropped sharply after Clinton's expression Friday of her opposition to the industry.
"We need to end private prisons. Protecting public safety...should never be outsourced or left to unaccountable corporations," she said in a tweet drawn from comments she made during a speech on the criminal justice system in Atlanta.
Corrections Corp. of America fell more than 6 percent, lopping off approximately $200 million in value, while GEO Group Inc. dropped 4.2%, losing about $100 million.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-30/hillary-clinton-rattles-prison-stocks-with-a-single-tweet
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Takes from Bernie and runs with it.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)The FCC put a cap on prison charges on phone calls. Private prisons were charging as much as 14 or 17 dollars per minute. The FCC is capping it at about $0.21. That is a massive lost of revenue and is probably the real reason for the drop in the market.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)But I am glad for the cap.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Private prisons were using it to soak a lot of poor people for a lot of money. I think it was announced earlier this week or late last week but the prison lobby and their cronies were hoping they could kill this action being taken somehow. I get the feeling that they found out that they weren't going to be able to stop it.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)is not serious enough to consider.
Quick, easy, and invalid ad hominem argument to take down a whole lot of stuff said in support of Bernie.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)because he is not indebted to corporate funders.
Bernie's positions serve the people.
So do some of Hillary's, of late. I don't fault her for coming around.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)That giant sucking sound is the protection she supplied being exposed by Bernie, and forcing her hand on the issue. That caused the market to drop.
That's not leading. That's called following.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I reserve my hate for the private prison industry, not personalities.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)BootinUp
(47,144 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)I first noticed it when she usurped the income inequality plank. For as long as I have been observing her, I have never heard her pounce on this issue like she has done recently. But this is how one disarms one's opponent -- make his or her pronounced issues yours so that the public sees no daylight between the two of you. In order to win an election, one has to differentiate himself or herself from his opponent. Bernie has done a remarkable job on this, and it seems plank by plank Hillary is making his platform her platform.
Of course, Bill Clinton was famous for this so it seems very possible he has pushed her in this direction. Personally, every time I see her do this, I just lose more respect for her. Why can't Hillary just be Hillary?
Sam
Cha
(297,205 posts)freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)It means Bernie's position wins even if Hillary wins the primary.
If she gets elected, we'll have to hold her to it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)She's right, of course.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Oh, by the way the real reason that private prisons stocks fell might be more related to recent FCC regulations.
Private prisons were previously allowed to charge upwards of 14 to 17 dollars per minute for phone calls once they were directed into the prison. This week the FCC announced that they would cap the per minute charges for incoming phone calls going into prisons. One of the numbers floated was a $0.21 cap on per minute charges from prisons. Going from $14 to $0.21 is huge and so is the loss of revenue.
We should really do our homework on this before attributing this drop to anybodies political campaign.
jkbRN
(850 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Inmate calling services are contracted by prisons. They're separate entities.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)You are talking about government run prisons. They use contracted calling services.
Private prisons actually manage their own inmate calling services. Corrective Corporations of America does make money off of phone calls to and from prisoners.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)by Bernie regarding MJ might just have pushed it further.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Again, I do not think it is likely the words of any politician so far from the actual election would cause a precipitous drop. If a candidate ran on that and Won the election, then I would possibly agree. Or if a sitting president said it in the state of the union. But this far out it is unlikely that a candidates word would cause a drop.
The reason is the FCC decision.
So no, despite my bias towards Bernie, it is unlikely he could have such an effect either, unless he was elected.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)riversedge
(70,214 posts)Hillary Clinton ?@HillaryClinton 2h2 hours ago
"We need to end private prisons. Protecting public safety...should never be outsourced or left to unaccountable corporations." Hillary
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)When Sanders said the exact same thing I do not recall private prison stocks dropping. And not twice, for sure!
If recent history is any guide, the "I do not trust Hillary" flames will be fanned shortly.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Of course, I liked them when Bernie had them earlier, too.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)I can't wait till @Hillary tweets "cut it out" to the banksters, because then they'll know she's super serial!
BootinUp
(47,144 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Hillary is showing the world that Twitter is how progressives who get things done get things done by progressives!
icuc
(39 posts)We are voting for @Hillary, right?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)BootinUp
(47,144 posts)Bernie made the stock market dive a little.
artislife
(9,497 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)leading from behind- nice RW talking points
artislife
(9,497 posts)You think the only ones who don't care for her are on the right.
She isn't progressive enough, she's a johnny come lately. A timid politician.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)No candidate this far out from the national primary, much less the election would have this kind of an effect.
It was the recent FCC decision and the expectation of losing a lot of money from scamming phone calls made into and out of Prison. We are talking a revenue drop of at bare minimum 95% from phone calls by the CCA. The absolute bargain basement minimum that people are being charged is $5 per minute and the FCC is capping it at $0.21 a minute. That is a substantial loss and I think they must have found out that they cannot fight the FCC on this.
BootinUp
(47,144 posts)At this point I am believing the news reports though. This is going to hurt some folks but its time they realize that Hillary is now the leader of this (the Democratic Party).
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)You are simply believing something because you want to regardless of any contrary data.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)Che'l have to wait & Sea..
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)It is just lost profits from CCA and other private prison companies leeching money from the families of prisoners. Come on, this is just as bad as the people trying to give Clinton the credit for this drop.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Of course Hillary has told her contributors not to worry, this is just razamatazz to set up the marks.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)It's so obvious and people continue to be fooled by the rhetoric. As if they're going to keep there word when up against Wallstreet, The Pentagon, and a Nut Case Rightwing Congress. It's all politics, and it's just a game. And we are fools.
BootinUp
(47,144 posts)from time to time on the tubes. I can tell you that in 2008 I was glued to the primary coverage (supporting Hillary) and for the life of me I can't figure out what certain lefties are talking about when they say Obama hasn't governed as he promised. So I would ask you to be more specific so that we could understand. Thanks in advance.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)I hope she means it. And not just saying that to get votes.
Also - "Corrections Corp. of America"? That is just so completely wrong and fucked up. I hope they become 100% obsolete.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Is she going to fire Richard Sullivan, Brian Popper and the rest of the prison industry lobbyist working for her campaign?
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/%C2%A0%E2%80%A6
As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.
Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests.
BootinUp
(47,144 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,003 posts)So it would be more correct to say Native American human rights lobbyists raising cash for Hillary.
Your disillusionment can only grow.
I heard a right wing host on a black community talk radio program once tell the audience that Jimmy Carter prevented African American-owned businesses from doing business with businesses in Africa. He was trying to slam Jimmy Carter, but the host never brought up the fact that what he was refering to was the sanctions Jimmy Carter pushed against Apartheid South Africa.
Edit to add: The sanctions apllied to all American business in South Africa.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)So long as they process gets reversed.
There is a high likelihood that since Clinton is the front runner and since Clinton has a hogh probability of pressing this issue and getting it done, the investors are totally freaking out
jfern
(5,204 posts)Then you know what happened.