Clinton Campaign Calls Bernie Sanders Sexist for Doing Same Thing Every Campaign Does

[Uncle Joe]

Floating your rival's name as a potential veep is a classic messaging trick that can be found in any competitive presidential campaign. Scott Walker did it (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/why-scott-walker-keeps-mentioning-marco-rubio-as-a-running-mate/2015/07/08/720be62e-23f4-11e5-aae2-6c4f59b050aa_story.html) with Marco Rubio.

Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich did it to each other (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/santorum-gingrich-runningmate-alabama/2012/03/08/id/431942/?s=al&promo_code=E610-1) (ew) in 2012.

Hillary Clinton did it in 2008 (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/10/dems.campaign/index.html?iref=topnews) with Barack Obama. It’s a sufficiently well-established ritual that long-shot candidates do it ironically to the front-runners. It’s a way of subtly undermining your competition and wooing his or her supporters to your side.

But when Bernie Sanders did it to Hillary Clinton, Clinton’s surrogates began flipping out and calling him sexist (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-sexism-bernie-sanders-215375) . Christine Quinn (a member of Clinton’s New York Leadership Council and a fund-raiser for her campaign) says, “Seriously? Seriously? The absurdity of that statement almost merits no response. How arrogant and sexist can you be? It’s not OK to let people with a long progressive record get away with being sexist.” EMILY’s List president Stephanie Schriock called it “condescending insults by a team who knows better.”

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/10/clinton-campaign-calls-bernie-sanders-sexist.html

CNN) - Sen. Barack Obama Monday flatly rejected suggestions that he would be a vice presidential running mate for Sen. Hillary Clinton.

Both Clinton, Obama's rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, and her husband, former President Clinton, have suggested a joint Clinton-Obama ticket - with Obama in the second slot.

"Senator Clinton is fighting hard. She's tenacious. I respect her for that. She is working hard to win the nomination. But I want everybody to be absolutely clear. I'm not running for vice president. I'm running for president of the United States of America," Obama told supporters during a rally in Columbus, Mississippi

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/10/obama-rejects-being-clintons-no-2/comment-page-10/

I believe CNN scrubbed the video perhaps because Time Warner owns them?

But here it is on YouTube.

[portlander23]

1. In Mrs. Clinton's defense

Mr. Sanders was talking about the issues. Can't have that.

[Thinkingabout]

2. Oh, I had almot forgotten Sanders called Secretary Clinton and said shouting about gun control,

Is Sanders ready to take ownership of his comment?

[Uncle Joe]

3. Perhaps you forgot when Bernie used "screaming" and "yelling" when speaking to Jake Tapper about

gun control?

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[Thinkingabout]

5. Yes, especially when gun manufacture has immunity to lawsuits, only allowed to this group.

In this statement he did not say Secretary Clinton before giving the rest of the statement.

[Uncle Joe]

7. That's because Jake Tapper wasn't running for President and the not shouting remark that Bernie

made to Hillary was the first of two gifts (a wise piece of advice which fell on deaf ears) that he gave her during the debate.

If a President Hillary Clinton wishes to one not only win the nomination, but have an increased chance of winning the election and improving the down ticket races at the state and congressional level, thereby reducing the stranglehold that Republicans from sparsely populated states have in the Senate so that productive gun control measures could succeed, she would've listened to Bernie instead of smearing him.

Of course the second gift was the "misogynist" Bernie Sanders shielding Hillary from the e-mail controversy.

[Thinkingabout]

11. Wouldn't it just be easier to drop this and move on, as a supporter of Clinton I am not dwelling on

This and for Sanders sake he would probably like to see this fade into the sunset, the constant reminders are hurting Sanders, the Clinton camp has moved on.

On the gun issue, I am open to sensible laws to keep guns out of the hands of those who do not have the capability of proper use. I own guns but don't take them to churches, theatres, schools, shopping centers with the purpose of killing people. This should be simple. In fact I dont hunt anymore but enjoy game food, my nephews have been taught the proper use and safety and do not need a large capacity magazine since they pride themselves in one shot and you are done hunting.

[Uncle Joe]

13. I would love this, but it's not going to drop until Hillary grows enough integrity to say that

Bernie is not a sexist and I would wager that every time the gun issue comes up when Hillary is giving a speech she wil tie "shouting" and "woman" or "women" to it, Hillary is keeping it alive, just as this video illustrates.

Hillary has not moved on.

[Thinkingabout]

15. Okay, since Hillary did not make the remark in the debate, Sanders needs to show integrity and admit

His remark was not nice and he is truly sorry he made the remark, furthermore since Hillary has not said Sanders was sexists she does not have anything to apologize for, it is not integrity on her part. Keep it going and continue reminding everyone of this terrible remark made by Bernie Sanders. It is your call.

[Uncle Joe]

18. That remark during the debate had no malevolent intent, Hillary's actions afterward have been.

That wasn't a "terrible remark" we do need to stop shouting at each other if we're going to make progress on the contentious gun issue.

Bernie has been using the same message for months if not years, there is no logical reason to change it now.

[Thinkingabout]

20. As far as I am concerned Sanders used her name when he made the statement, Clinton was not shouting,

Sanders in call her name Secretary Clinton all the shouting ...... I would take this as a sexists remark, a false accusation, perhaps he did not mean for this to come out as he said it but it did. To demand Clinton to apologize for his unintended message is wrong, I heard him when he made the statement, thought it was wrong at the time, the person who needs to apologize is Sanders, if Clinton went out the next day believing she had been told to stop shouting, she was right to say this, Sanders had not apologized. Sanders owns his remark. I tried to get this dropped and move on, others has to make the decision to move on.

[Uncle Joe]

22. That's because Bernie was speaking to Hillary but Bernie was referring to the American People

on both sides of the gun divide.

If Hillary took offense about his remark, she made this clear in her subsequent speeches when she implied with half-truths regarding "women" and "shouting" that Bernie was sexist, while the former may be true, the latter isn't

Hillary never said a word about being offended during the debate, this in my mind was just cynical political calculation on Hillary's part.

Hilary knows that Bernie isn't sexist but she can't bring herself to admit it to the media, because she wants to milk it for all its political worth.

[passiveporcupine]

29. Sanders used her name when he made the statement

because he was trying to clarify/identify who he was responding to (not about) with his comment. He didn't need to say Jake's name in the above clip, because Jake was not one of several people on a stage he was debating with...so just like he wasn't accusing Jake of screaming and shouting, he was also not accusing Hillary of screaming and shouting. Now, maybe if she had been screaming and shouting before he said that, she might have had a point...but she wasn't.

He did not say to Hillary...all of your screaming and shouting will not make a difference. He has used that same language on a number of occasions.

Anyone who tries to make more out of that than he meant is trying really really hard to find a way to fling poo at Sanders.

Sorry...fail!

But I do have to give you guys a gold star for consistency!

[JDPriestly]

31. Normally the manufacturer of a product is not held liable when someone misuses the product.

If someone gets drunk on vodka, drives a car and kills someone, the manufacturer of the vodka is not usually liable. A bartender who serves drinks to a clearly drunk person might under certain circumstances in certain states have a legal problem, but even that is rare.

Please provide a link to a case in which a product manufacturer is liable fpr a product that functions as intended but is misused by a person not the manufacturer.

Thanks.

Gun manufacturers are treated like other product manufacturers in this respect I believe.

[emulatorloo]

4. Please point to actual quote from Clinton campaign "Calling Sanders a Sexist" over staffs vp comment

Joe, this shit is getting on my last nerve.

Just because some ratings-obsessed headline writer wrote it doesn't make it true.

I have no idea how belaboring this tempest in a teapot helps convince undecided voters to vote for Bernie.

I do not know why DU is obsessing over what is basically a media-driven horse-race fabricated bullshit controversy with main purpose of driving up media ratings so they can charge more money for ad space!

Bernie is issues based and already put the dumb comments of his staff's comments behind him.

[Uncle Joe]

9. When asked point blank whether Bernie is a sexist in this interview, do you see Hillary deny it?

If Hillary actually answered the question that Bernie is not a sexist instead of changing the subject, all those "ratings-obsessed headline writers" wouldn't have anything to write about.

[emulatorloo]

14. The challenge remains. Produce something besides a headline writer's fabricated claim

That the campaign said "Bernie is a Sexist" over those silly ill-advised statements Bernie's staff made in that Bloomberg article. Statements which, btw, Bernie quickly disavowed.

I personally admire the intellectual honesty that Bernie has, and I would like DU'ers to focus on getting Bernie the nomination instead of focusing on media distractions and promoting sensationalistic headline writers who lie.

Have a great night, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

16. Many other campaigns have done it, including Hillary's the only reason that made a splash was

because of the sexist meme, which Hillary has been implying since after the debate.

That sexist meme wil bleed over in to multiple actions by Bernie's campaign and if you have to apologize for such a "slight" every time it happens, Bernie's campaign will be hamstrung.

Bernie's message won't reach the people because of all the corporate media preoccupation with trivial pursuit.

You can wish it would go away and ignore it, but the damage will keep piling up, Hillary must be challenged on her spurious smear at every corner until the political price of her using it becomes too steep.

Those headlines are being fed by Hillary's campaign as illustrated in the video which I just posted, she's just letting them do the dirty work.

[emulatorloo]

17. Joe, the headline is a bold-faced lie

That's the bottom line for me. I don't like MSM headlines that are lies.


The honest thing to do is to talk about implications.

[Uncle Joe]

19. If that's a bold faced lie, it only came about because Hillary has encouraged it with her

implications.

Do you value her implications, are they valid?

P.S. Do you think she will stop implying them?

[Uncle Joe]

21. P.S. If Hillary's implication is a half truth, that's worse than a lie.

A half-truth is usually less than half of that.

Bernard Williams

Partial truths or half-truths are often more insidious than total falsehoods.

Samuel P. Huntington

Half a truth is often a great lie.

Benjamin Franklin

A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies.

Alfred Lord Tennyson

[Uncle Joe]

23. Bear me with me for one more P.S. the headline is not a lie.

The once respectful Democratic primary has devolved into a slugfest about gender, with Hillary Clinton surrogates expressing outrage over how Bernie Sanders is conducting his campaign — even calling for him to fire his staff over alleged sexist remarks.

(snip)

“I’m stunned that a man like Bernie Sanders, who has clearly committed his life to making the country a better place, would get sucked into this very dangerous rhetoric, which perpetuates sexist and misogynistic stereotypes,” fumed Christine Quinn, the former New York City Council speaker who sits on Clinton’s New York Leadership Council and does fundraising for her campaign. “The candidate is supposed to set the tone, set the agenda. If Bernie Sanders does not want to be seen as someone who uses sexist language and perpetuates a dangerous sexist stereotype of strong women, then he should tell his people to stop. And if they don’t stop, he should fire them.”

Quinn, who ran for New York City mayor in 2013, said a recent Bloomberg Politics story that quoted Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver as joking that “we’re willing to consider her for vice president ... we’ll even interview her” was beyond the pale.

“Seriously? Seriously? The absurdity of that statement almost merits no response. How arrogant and sexist can you be? It’s not OK to let people with a long progressive record get away with being sexist.”


(snip)

For his part, Sanders has added that his “shouting” remark had nothing to do with Clinton being a woman. “I have been saying for months, well before that debate, that if we are going to go forward on sensible gun reform, people all over this country are going to have to stop shouting at each other,” he said on MSNBC.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-sexism-bernie-sanders-215375#ixzz3q6zFpn5q

Peace to you, emulatorloo.

[thesquanderer]

32. What am I missing?

It was silly, but what is Quinn seeing as sexist?

[Uncle Joe]

33. It beats me, thesqaunderer.

[emulatorloo]

43. Thanks, Uncle Joe

I do appreciate you giving me some more sources. Yes I agree, Quinn is really over-reaching.

I guess I should be more explicit about what was driving my more passionate posts last night.

I really worried after I logged off that you might think the heat in some of my posts was aimed at you.

You are one of my favorite posters around here, the several times we've interacted have been so great . . .we have the same goals, i feel like we can discuss things even if we hold diff opinions here and there.

So yeah, The heat was aimed at the media. I just get so tired of how they lie about Democrats.

I just have such a dim and cynical view of the current state advertiser-driven news and political opinion media.

Here's my most cynical version. Take network news or cable.

To the bosses, the most important thing is the advertisements. The 'news' is just filler around the commercials. Or more accurately the news is there to get ratings.

The goal is higher ratings. The higher the show's ratings, the more the bosses can charge for ad space.

The bottom line is $$$$$$, and what tactics to employ to make the most $$$$$$$$$.

The bosses they get the best ratings when they amp up drama and produce controversy. Make it all exciting so viewed will come

So they sensationalize things as much as possible. There is no nuance, no real concern with being accurate etc. with presidential politics, they report it as a horse-race , again to get ratings

Headlines, story-titles etc is where they really let loose with the sensationalism, overblown controversy, overhyped melodrama etc.

[Jim Lane]

35. Are you saying that one must use the word "sexist" to make a charge of sexism?

That seems to me to be an absurd position, but I'm at a loss to interpret your comment any other way.

[frylock]

37. Everyone knows how straight forward lawyers are, and Hillary's always been very upfront.

[emulatorloo]

44. No, I just have a very dim view of the MSM's sensationalist bullshit headlines

The headline is bullshit, they lie about Democrats constantly. The bottom line for them is $$$$ and boosting the amt they can charge for ads.


As to Bernie, he's handling add this perfectly IMHO

[frylock]

36. When asked point blank whether Obama is a Muslim in this interview, do you see Hillary deny it?

SSDD.

[snagglepuss]

10. Shrirock as well as Hillary supporters here have been framing it as condescension

and belittlement, both of which are hallmarks of male sexist pigs. No need to use the word sexist when the picture that has been painted is crystal clear.

[Scootaloo]

6. The Clinton campaign and its supporters have nothing but inciting hatred

Playing off identity politics, twisting everything said, all to cover policy and positions that look more at home on Donald Trump. "Yeah, I'm for it, now that i know you are too! What was it again?"

[HerbChestnut]

8. Agreed.

It's become more and more transparent too.

[frylock]

38. You'd have to be "Too stupid to be President" to not see it.

[ejbr]

12. I saw some woman

on MSNBC call Bernie's "shouting" comment a 7 out of 10 in sexist. What the living fuck? If he MEANT it to be sexist, maybe! Given her "inevitability", I find it astonishing the shit these people come up with.

[trumad]

24. Headline is bullshit

Starting to smell the desperation of the Bernie gang.

[Uncle Joe]

25. Who is this?

The once respectful Democratic primary has devolved into a slugfest about gender, with Hillary Clinton surrogates expressing outrage over how Bernie Sanders is conducting his campaign — even calling for him to fire his staff over alleged sexist remarks.

(snip)

“I’m stunned that a man like Bernie Sanders, who has clearly committed his life to making the country a better place, would get sucked into this very dangerous rhetoric, which perpetuates sexist and misogynistic stereotypes,” fumed Christine Quinn, the former New York City Council speaker who sits on Clinton’s New York Leadership Council and does fundraising for her campaign. “The candidate is supposed to set the tone, set the agenda. If Bernie Sanders does not want to be seen as someone who uses sexist language and perpetuates a dangerous sexist stereotype of strong women, then he should tell his people to stop. And if they don’t stop, he should fire them.”

Quinn, who ran for New York City mayor in 2013, said a recent Bloomberg Politics story that quoted Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver as joking that “we’re willing to consider her for vice president ... we’ll even interview her” was beyond the pale.

“Seriously? Seriously? The absurdity of that statement almost merits no response. How arrogant and sexist can you be? It’s not OK to let people with a long progressive record get away with being sexist.”


(snip)

For his part, Sanders has added that his “shouting” remark had nothing to do with Clinton being a woman. “I have been saying for months, well before that debate, that if we are going to go forward on sensible gun reform, people all over this country are going to have to stop shouting at each other,” he said on MSNBC.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-sexism-bernie-sanders-215375#ixzz3q6zFpn5q

[SoapBox]

26. I see we are still waiting for a response from the poster you are responding to...

Not surprised.

They hate facts and truth.

[frylock]

39. Still waiting 3 hours later.

[Scootaloo]

40. It burns! It burns us! It freezes! Nasty elves twisted it. Take it off us!

[trumad]

41. So this guy is an official part of the Clinton Campaign?

Well I guess that makes me one as well because I help fundraise?

The Bernie gang in full panic.

By the way--- Sorry I didn't respond quick enough for you and your gang members---I go to bed sometimes.

[Uncle Joe]

45. I believe this is a woman, are you also sitting on Clinton's New York Leadership Counci?

“I’m stunned that a man like Bernie Sanders, who has clearly committed his life to making the country a better place, would get sucked into this very dangerous rhetoric, which perpetuates sexist and misogynistic stereotypes,” fumed Christine Quinn, the former New York City Council speaker who sits on Clinton’s New York Leadership Council and does fundraising for her campaign. “The candidate is supposed to set the tone, set the agenda. If Bernie Sanders does not want to be seen as someone who uses sexist language and perpetuates a dangerous sexist stereotype of strong women, then he should tell his people to stop. And if they don’t stop, he should fire them.”

P.S. When asked point blank whether Hillary thought Bernie was a sexist, she didn't deny it changed the subject.

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For what it's worth I never pushed you on a timely answer, I went to bed as well.

[trumad]

46. Nice try...

[Uncle Joe]

47. I suppose it was a nice try in trying to get a straight answer from Hillary but

she would rather leave the spurious implication open, not having the integrity to either say yes or no, while leaving her underling supporters and the corporate media to do the dirty work.

It wasn't a rocket science question.

[trumad]

48. Now you're moving the goal posts Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

49. Is Hillary part of her campaign? The goal posts weren't moved until after the debate, trumad.

Hillary voiced no offense to Bernie's answer in real time during the debate, only in subsequent speeches days later did she try to cynically manipulate the gun issue into one of gender.

[trumad]

42. Almost two hours and no response.

Wow

[jfern]

27. If suggesting putting the woman at the bottom of the ticket is sexist

Then suggesting putting the black at the bottom of the ticket is racist.

[Uncle Joe]

28. Using their logic, you make a good point, jfern.

[TheKentuckian]

30. I also wonder who she looks down on so much that she'd make them her VP.

I hear a lot about picking Castro, she and her supporters must have a high level of disrespect for Latinos if that is the case.

The reality is if one is not fit and ready to be President then they are by definition not qualified to be President and if they are the pick for Vice President you are saying this is the next one up, capable and good to go day one to be President
William Henry Harrison made it all of a month, out time is not guaranteed.

This whining is stupid entitlement not honest insult.

[Maedhros]

34. There is no honesty or integrity to be found anywhere in the Clinton campaign.

They will say or do anything for political gain.