"African Americans for Hillary" headed by Rep. John Lewis, is the event BLM protested.

[stevenleser]

The crowd that shouted them down was overwhelmingly African American as one might surmise by the name of the event.

Hillary was introduced by the person who launched African Americans for Hillary, Representative John Lewis.

Hillary did not get huffy or throw a tantrum or try to ignore their issues. In fact, at the event, she was speaking to the exact issues BLM is about.

That's why it is different from the situation with Sanders a few months ago. Also, you won't see the disrespect of BLM on Twitter or the internet you saw from Sanders supporters.

[Luminous Animal]

1. And?

[stevenleser]

2. Anyone responding to me should also see these comments by Number23.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=748108

[Armstead]

7. Racial divisiveness sucks no matter where it comes from

That's been my core belief for 50 years and I'm sticking to it.

[Cha]

3. Exactly, Steven.. Hill supporters aren't dissing #BLM.. The BS fans who did that need to take

a few lessons here.

I am so proud of Hillary and #BlackLivesMatter!

[arcane1]

5. Is Hillary still morally corrupt, in your opinion?

[Cha]

8. You sound desperate.

[Scootaloo]

69. No, THIS is what desperation sounds like

[romanic]

130. lmao

"mahalo"

[IMG][/IMG]

At least she's consistent.

[ismnotwasm]

152. You'll notice I rarely respond to you, for instance.

. Broke my own rule here, and no, I'm not desperate.

[Vattel]

4. Sanders was calm and respectful. Clinton should learn from him.

[stevenleser]

6. Sanders was huffy and appeared annoyed and put out. Hillary did not. nt

[BootinUp]

12. He was probably tired, what is he 74

years old?

[Agschmid]

15. Ageism isn't going to get you ahead here.

[BootinUp]

22. I have serious doubts about

whether he is young enough for a 4 to 8 year contract.

[Agschmid]

27. And how old is Hillary?

Not a "winning" or valid topic really, if you're worried about age/health go with O'Malley.

[BootinUp]

29. Maybe its not

but that doesn't change my opinion. Hillary is a spritely 67 fresh off an 11 hour marathon hearing.

[Flying Squirrel]

97. 68. nt

[iandhr]

144. Isn't Hillary almost 70 herself?

[MrMickeysMom]

153. In fact, she is...

So, I guess Bernie needs to go blond to impress those who think they have more fun!

[Vattel]

13. I could respond, but these comparisons are beyond silly.

[stevenleser]

28. Want to know what's really silly? Link to your criticisms of Sanders' supporters here 4 months ago

when they viciously attacked BLM.

Otherwise, I find this sudden interest in BLM issues very, well, interesting.

[Vattel]

35. Pffft. More silliness.

[stevenleser]

40. Yeah, I thought so. That's as far as your support of BLM goes. Nowhere. nt

[Vattel]

43. Now you're just being an ass.

[stevenleser]

53. It's a very simple request and point. What were you doing four months ago when Sanders supporters

were viciously attacking BLM here?

Were you doing it as well?

Were you secretly not in agreement with them but saying nothing?

Or did you stand up to them and tell them to stop?

It makes a big difference in terms of how your cheering on of BLM appears now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

143. Once you call your opponent names you have ceded the moral high ground, just saying.

eom

[MrMickeysMom]

154. You know, for someone who wishes to be taken seriously on Fox News, you take the cake...

... beginning with the kind of threads better off meant for cheerleaders...

Unless you want to be a cheerleader, in which case, just bang the corporate gong with the DLC, Steve...

[stevenleser]

163. Bernie also appears on Fox News so you can hang up that old canard.

And it's plain to see who the cheerleaders are. The same folks who called BLM every name in the book four months ago are now trying to claim they supported them all along.

I supported BLM then, and I support them now. I'll just bet you were one of those folks calling them shills and hillary plants and all that other nonsense just a few months ago.

That's how serious you and the point you are trying to make is.

And *plonk*

[MrMickeysMom]

165. How silly can you be with what you've just put forth?

What... Are we in grade school? Jeebus H...

"I'll just bet you were one of those folks calling them shills and hillary plants and all that other nonsense just a few months ago."

What is this? It sounds like nothing but an "I, I, I.... I'm the one who's stood the test of time... me, me... look-look-look at who's said what-what-what!"

Something needs to be corrected in what you said. It is not easy to see who the cheerleaders are. But, you can sure tell who they are on this board. It appears that its easier for you to use the BLM movement like a piece on the checker board to make your criticism on how we've all been. There are no absolutes. The problem and solution about race is within every one of us. We are all responsible for the situation we are faced to see that race relations are still more than ever at stake. But, we VOTE like it doesn't matter what people do about it. If you don't like somebody, then the spin on them easily makes them the problem. I think you're smarter than that, but the emotional response is over the top.

Want to know who supports PoC? The ones who admit that they need a dialogue with everybody about race and economic disparity and endless wars and squashing of the working poor and middle class.... The ones who LISTEN when groups who are justifiably angry over institutional racism and being ignored and take over your podium support PoC. Want to know who is the better listener? It's the ones that don't have their people take care of media moments and otherwise push the dissenters out the door.

And the most ignorant thing out of that post of yours was thinking that your appearance on Fox News (something that you do in a serial way to be taken seriously as a talking head) and Bernie Sander's appearance being interviewed there is the same thing. No... pretty bad comparison. He's willing to speak to anyone and you're willing to speak.

You really pushed that thought out with that temper tantrum. And, *plonk*??? Is that you throwing the microphone down? If so, that's pretty hilarious!

[Armstead]

39. Racial divisiveness sucks no matter where it comes from

[artislife]

95. I am loving how

the twitter universe is attacking Hillary.

As it should.

Or is it not the time for it?

[stevenleser]

98. This post just kicked up to the top of my "My Posts" list, so someone on my ignore list responded.

Sorry ignored, I can't read what you wrote.

[polly7]

103. Sheesh ......... you've said this how many times already tonight?

So you've got a lot of people on ignore, is that supposed to make what they say unimportant for others to read???

[Uncle Joe]

18. Bernie gave them the podium, stood behind them for some time and let them speak, he wasn't huffy and

he acknowledged their concerns with reporters as he was leaving.

[azurnoir]

58. and what would have happened if #BLM had run up on stage and literally grabbed the mic

and for fun shoved Hillary Clinton? oh wait Bernie dared to look annoyed

[stevenleser]

72. And what if my aunt was really my uncle? We can speculate all we want and make suppositions

of Hillary doing either the greatest or worst thing possible but it's still idle speculation.

[azurnoir]

79. and we can continue to compare apples to oranges

but Hillary's experience(s) wth #BLM were far more ah 'controlled' than Bernie's and that's the point

[stevenleser]

92. Nope, the point is Hillary was actually discussing African American issues and not trying to

discount them as a subset of the other issues that she really wants to talk about.

Oh yeah, and the point also is that Sanders supporters were just eviscerating BLM here four months ago.

Speaking of which, what were you doing during that debacle? Were you taking fellow Sanders supporters to task for that?

[Luminous Animal]

126. Oh really? Because that video you are responding to is Bernie speaking at

an event organized around social security. Even so, he yielded the stage. Humbly and graciously.

Hillary, dismissed, talked over, and the event security pushed out those who had specific criticism against Hillary and her support for policies that harm black lives.

What are you doing to protest executing black men.

[stevenleser]

131. I'm not responding to a video. There was no video in the post.

What I am doing about the death penalty? Hmm, well, I've talked about it at least two dozen times on my am radio show to include highlighting how its unfairly applied to people of color. What have you done about it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026176592

[artislife]

96. Something far more sinister might have happened. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

145. What bullshit that is...

"appeared huffy and annoyed"... more like a subjective spin...

There's that spin cycle again. Where are we? A laundromat? I think SO!

[ucrdem]

9. Thanks steven . . . it takes a village

to figure out what happened sometimes

[MannyGoldstein]

10. So?

Black people shouldn't disrupt black events?

Hillary's actions have resulted in far more black people in poverty and in jail. That's a problem.

[LuvNewcastle]

136. You've very close to it, Manny.

Almost there.

[JI7]

11. i think the bigger problem was the conpsiracy theories, i think it was ok to disagree and not like

Sanders being protested.

but all that crap about being funded by Soros and going on black sites tell them what is good for them.

[stevenleser]

16. Those conspiracy theories were a subset of Sanders' supporters attacks on BLM in general.

And Sanders did nothing to stop his supporters from doing it. He let them rail on against BLM for what had to be at least a month.

Hell, even John McCain put a stop to his supporters calling Obama a Muslim.

All of a sudden, BLM are good folks now and not a conspiracy for Hillary.

[JI7]

21. i don't think these are Sanders supporters as much as people who hate Hillary

they would have attached themselves to anyone else and acted the same.

[stevenleser]

48. Well, I would love to believe that, but just see the Sanders supporters here under this OP.

I recognize many of the names who viciously attacked BLM just a few months ago in the name of defending Sanders.

Now look at them.

[JI7]

57. they would do the same if it was not Sanders

and someone else running. many first supported Warren . they got behind someone to stop hillary . but their main thing is more about stopping hillary . many of them are also the ones who say they wont support her if she is the nominee.

[stevenleser]

66. Ahh, I see your point now and it is an interesting one. I certainly cannot refute it.

It bears more inspection for sure.

[artislife]

100. That still has no bearing on what happened today, though.

Does it.

Go ahead and look at my posts from that time. I wasn't boo hooing about hurting Bernie and I was literally posting for them to "stop it." There were bad behaviors, but we are talking about this time and Hillary's reaction along with her peeps.

And they didn't behave as many h supporters said Bernie and the crowd should have behaved.

It is schadenfreunde for sure. 100%

[Agschmid]

17. Yup.

[Cha]

71. Exactly JI7.. the Soros/Hillary CT that were proposed right on this board about #BLM being in

league with them. It was disgusting.. any apologies for that?

[azmom]

14. BLM seem to have specific issues with Hillary

[link:|

[stevenleser]

20. BLM has excellent issues in general. But that's not what Sanders supporters were saying 4 months ago

and people notice the hypocrisy.

[azmom]

30. Hypocracy is pretending you didn't just

read what BLM said about Clinton's failure to put out a criminal justice platform, or her failure to properly explain why she supported Clinton's crime bil.

But, carry on.

[stevenleser]

33. I support BLM period. Not just when they attack the other guy. And I don't attack them when they

protest my candidate.

Carry on indeed.

[frylock]

47. This is your idea of support?

Tough love, Steven?

[R B Garr]

147. Exactly, Steven. Why should BLM endorse any

one candidate. I never saw endorsement or agreement as their goal, at least not for awhile. They are protestors and activists whose goal is to disrupt and make people uncomfortable to raise the profile of their issues. Who cares if politicians feel uncomfortable with their presence.

Whats hilarious is those squirming and forgetting that they blamed Hillary for disrupting Bernie as a conspiracy theory designed to damage BS. Total amnesia now, lol. So phony!

[Cha]

70. Hillary was very comfortable with #BlackLivesMatters Prostesting .. i'm so glad they did!

[artislife]

102. I think you are missing the big story here. nt

[oasis]

19. Isn't BLM's McKesson negotiating with the DNC for a BLM town hall?

[stevenleser]

23. Last I heard, BLM had turned it down. I am hoping they reconsider. It would be an excellent town

hall.

They are holding out for a full additional debate on BLM issues.

[oasis]

26. Thanks, let's hope so. (eom)

[JonLeibowitz]

67. DWS refused to have a BLM debate, only a forum. I will leave it to the reader to discern why n/t

[stevenleser]

68. Yeah, um, Bernie supporters were saying the same thing about wanting fewer debates in general.

That is right up until the time that Hillary cleaned Bernie's clock in the first one.

[frylock]

73. No, we still want more debates, Steven.

You're making up you're own reality here on all fronts.

[JonLeibowitz]

76. This Bernie supporter still want more debates. n/t

[stevenleser]

80. Most boxers who just got knocked out want rematches too. The only better thing for Hillary than more

debates would be for the select congressional committee on Benghazi to call her in for another hearing.

[JonLeibowitz]

84. Your post confuses me. First Bernie supporters don't want more debates and now we do? n/t

[stevenleser]

87. Nothing confusing about it. Before the 1st debate all Sanders supporters wanted more debates.

Now the smart Sanders supporters aren't saying anything about them.

[JonLeibowitz]

101. So the only reason i want more is because i am stupid? LOL! Debate is good for the party n/t

[stevenleser]

110. Hey, I am sure boxers have smart reasons for wanting to get back in the ring with someone

who just knocked them out too.

[JonLeibowitz]

116. LOL! Good one! Truly a dizzying display of thought in this post n/t

[stevenleser]

117. If it is dizzying, it is only because it's inspired by the level of your responses. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

118. Interesting

Let me try to get this straight. You said:

1) "Now the smart Sanders supporters aren't saying anything about them."

vs.

2) " Hey, I am sure boxers have smart reasons for wanting to get back in the ring"

Which is it?

[stevenleser]

119. Simple. In your #2, I employ a literary device known as sarcasm. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

122. ...

[stevenleser]

123. Exactly, and you are responding in the way I intended. It works! nt

[Blue_In_AK]

148. Another stupid Sanders supporter here.

I, too, would like more debates.

[Bluenorthwest]

141. Two candidates have called for more debates, Bernie and O'Malley, O'Malley has done so even

more than Sanders. Clinton has not called for more debates at all. BLM is asking for more debates, as are two of the three candidates.

[bravenak]

155. Thank you. I keep try to explain this. More debates help HILLARY.

[gwheezie]

31. I understand why a debate but....

A townhall may be more effective. Debates have become kinda scripted. Townhall can produce unfiltered questions.
I understand the desire for a debate because it would rightly place the issues of equality on a crucial level for this country. And I wonder if a townhall would get as much media coverage as a debate
But its not up to me, blm calls the shots on this.

[virtualobserver]

55. I'd like to see both....

the unfiltered questions are the best, as you say.

[Chathamization]

140. Yes: "I look forward to the Town Hall being planned, where presidential candidates will face real

questions from real people." I suggest reading what BLM leaders themselves are saying (McKesson's Twitter account is a good place to start) and ignoring the disinformation spread here by the people who are trying to speak for BLM, but who know little about it (and seem to have little interest in what the movement is actually doing/saying).

[sadoldgirl]

24. Do you have more white paint

to describe, what happened? You better get at least
a 5 gallon one for each of the "sweet escorts"who
got the BLM members out. And on whose orders
were they asked to leave.

Get more of that paint to white out all the twitters
from BLM afterwards.

[stevenleser]

25. Depends. Please link to your criticisms of Sanders supporters 4 months ago when they attacked BLM

here.

[frylock]

44. Tit for tat, Steven?

What are you hoping to prove, and to whom?

[azmom]

52. And for how much? N/ t

[frylock]

54. I'd like to say it's been an incredibly enlightening evening..

but I am really not at all surprised by some of the posts I've seen.

[azmom]

61. It's been crazy, but like you

I'm not surprised either.

[Luminous Animal]

32. So, how do explain the anger that the protesters felt and being pushed out?

How do you explain #Hillary4You?

How do you explain away the anger expressed towards Lewis for being complicit in shutting them down?

Here's Johnetta Elzie ?@Nettaaaaaaaa 7h7 hours ago
Johnetta Elzie Retweeted Dan Merica
I'm sure someone said the same to you about Gov. George C. Wallace + President Lyndon B. Johnson @repjohnlewis.

[stevenleser]

37. Sure, as soon as you link to your criticisms of Sanders supporters here 4 months ago when they

viciously attacked BLM for protesting Sanders.

Here is the difference. I support BLM period. Not just when they are protesting the candidate I don't support. And I don't attack them when they are protesting my candidate.

You want to discuss their anger? Address what you were doing four months ago. And this time you can't post an eight year old article of mine as deflection.

[frylock]

49. There's a big world out there, Steven..

not everything is about DU.

[Luminous Animal]

59. Hahaha! What was *I* doing 4 months ago Mr. Leser?

What was I doing 8 years ago? I certainly was not blinking into the camera as feeding pablum to white America about how Black America needs to clean their own house.

My main objection to protest against O'Malley and Sanders (and Clinton) is talk first… formulate your response to that talk; then, if the response to your response is less than satisfactory… take action based on your target's response.

In part, today's protest was a response to Hillary's stated support for the the death penalty. A sentence that disproportionately targets black men.

Another part of this protest is her unwillingness to present a comprehensive racial justice platform.

Campaign Zero has quantified all of the candidates racial justice platforms and Hiilary gets a 2.

This far into the campaign, a 2 is not good enough.

[stevenleser]

63. Yes, what did you do when Sanders supporters attacked BLM. Did you join in? Were you silent?

Oh gee, you didn't like my no snitching article. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x276759 too bad. In terms of my commitment to the black community the National Association of Black Journalists cited one of my articles a few years back: https://web.archive.org/web/20060621161543/http://www.nabj.org/newsroom/commentary/deathpenalty/index.html and I will stand on my support for the black community 100%.

None of the rest of what you wrote answered the fundamental question. It's great to be for BLM now that they are getting after Hillary. What were you doing four months ago. It is a very simple question and your non-answer makes the truth obvious.

[frylock]

74. The mote, Steven. The mote.

[Luminous Animal]

75. Did I join in? You tell me. Do your own research journalist Leser.

[stevenleser]

78. You can't answer for yourself? I can do the research. Is that what you really want? nt

[Luminous Animal]

81. Yes.

[stevenleser]

83. Done. nt

[artislife]

105. That's what journalist do, research.

Look me up. I wasn't on the side of bashing BLM and I withstood some flames from fellow Bernie supporters during that time. But almost all came around.

[stevenleser]

82. Only posts by you in the time period were critical of BLM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=467691 and similar ones on the thread.

In other words, you are a fair-weather friend of BLM who attacked me for changing my mind eight years ago when you flip flopped in the last four months.

[Luminous Animal]

86. Oooh! I so totally attacked BLM! I knew that was the post that you were going to bring

up. And I stand by that post. And I stand by it because I expressed a wise tactic. A tactic that BLM activists used against Hillary.

They've met with her. They've asked her what her racial justice plan is… she'e not answered. She hasn't come up with one even though O'Malley and Sanders have..

So, time for protest.

[stevenleser]

89. Sure. AND you stood by while fellow Sanders supporters eviscerated BLM here. Only to reappear now

and portray yourself as a friend of BLM.

And your explanation for that is????

[Cha]

99. They will deny it.. just like they deny everything when busted. Glad they're not accusing #BLM

of being in league with Soros and Hillary anymore.

And, Harshing on #BLM because they had the nerve to interrupt BS when he started to speak at netroots nation and Seattle.

Or are they?

[stevenleser]

115. You called it. Check downthread how that person is trying to slither out of it. nt

[Luminous Animal]

104. I asked several people to just stop. I PMed people and asked them to stop.

But, I will tell you. I have never, in my entire life, thought or written anything as condescending as you have to any community or human being.

That screed you wrote about how black folks need to step up and become rats for the police… clueless. *blink blink*

[stevenleser]

108. And you can't link to any of them when asked. You couldn't stand up in DU public to the nastiness

against BLM. You sent a few PMs. How brave. And now you play BLM ally.

Oh and you have plenty of criticism for me. Now that's funny.

[Luminous Animal]

112. Do your own research. Journalist Leser.

[stevenleser]

114. I did. The answer is you did zero. nt

[Luminous Animal]

127. You are a woefully inadequate journalist.

[stevenleser]

129. Link or slink. Your choice. nt

[stevenleser]

113. Oh and for the record, yes...

I absolutely believe that robbers, rapists and murderers should be turned into the police.

AND we have to hold the police accountable for their actions. But we also have the right to expect them to do their jobs.

[polly7]

124. What I get from all of this is that only 'certain' Black people's opinions matter,

and only when politically expedient. Issues that I've seen discussed here for years, with 99.9% of members here in complete support. Suddenly it's changed, and the only caring began during this campaign.

I haven't seen one single poster here attack BLM issues ........ only Bernie Sanders, for not having them thrown out and letting them have the mic, as opposed to what happened to them here. I've read tonight he's weak and unpresidential for those things.

Very strange, the way history is being rewritten. It's like all threads and posts on racial discrimination, civil rights, profiling, profit prisons, indiscriminate death penalty judgments, etc. etc. etc. before the last few months just didn't happen.



Also, I've seen many, many good topics and threads brought up (but probably by people on you and yours shit-list) that got absolutely no interest from you, even though they were issues that affected Black lives in very serious ways. Where were you?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

34. You're the guy who says up is down, black is white.

You may be telling the truth this time. You may not be. Did you not expect this?

[stevenleser]

38. Hey, if we can hold Sanders responsible for his past gun positions, you can complain about my

articles from 8 years ago all you want.

As far as up is down, you are another one of the folks that has repeatedly tried to criticize me for guest appearing on Fox and you try to ignore the fact that Sanders has done so too.

Talk about up is down?

[stevenleser]

46. I explained my reasons in my endorsement of Hillary. What are your reasons for flip flopping?

You want to hold me responsible for changing my mind and say I'm not trustworthy as a result, but it's OK for Bernie to change his mind on guns and we're not supposed to hold him responsible for his past positions we're supposed to take what he says now as his beliefs.

That's OK with you, but my change of position isnt.

And again we have your complaint that I appear as a guest on Fox News but it's perfectly OK for Bernie to do so.

Its not me that has the trustworthiness issue.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

50. This is a demonstration of your untrustworthiness.

I've said nothing at all about Sanders and you've made an accusation in that direction anyway. You're deep in Fox denial territory, and I don't believe you'd recognize the truth if it hit you in the head. I don't believe I wish to converse with you for the remainder of the weekend. Goodbye.

[stevenleser]

56. Nope, sorry. If you are going to damn someone to hell for changing their mind, you better carry

through with your candidate as well.

Let's see your criticism of Sanders for every-time he changed his mind.

Either that or apologize. I don't care either way, but you have nothing else to say to me.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

60. You're correct. I pointed out that your word is of no value. I'm done now.

[stevenleser]

64. If mine has no value, yours is in the negatives. nt

[stevenleser]

65. And by the way, I am not the one who alerted on you.

Someone else did, and another four DUers agree the crap you say to me is over the top.

[Cha]

134. Actually Steven's word has plenty of value where it counts.

[stevenleser]

135. Thank you Cha. The right folks are on my side. That's what matters to me.

And I enjoy, as Sid puts it "pissing off the right people" too!

[frylock]

77. Unbelievable that your previous post was hidden.

Bullcrap hide.

[artislife]

107. ^^ this nt

[artislife]

106. Everything but what happened at this event

Deflection, deflection

Kitchen sink.

Gee, I feel kind of sad that you represent the Dems on tv. I think we could find a better "fighter" for our ideals.


But it is Fox anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.

[stevenleser]

109. This post just kicked up to the top of my "My Posts" list, so someone on my ignore list responded.

Sorry ignored, can't read your post.

[polly7]

111. I doubt they care. nt.

[Cha]

133. No, that's you.

[Fumesucker]

36. I love the smell of flop sweat in the morning

Or any time actually.

[SunSeeker]

41. K & R

[virtualobserver]

45. Those were Hillary supporters shouting down BLM activists

BLM activists were protesting her over her support of the death penalty, which is disproportionately applied to African-Americans.

As they were removed, there was a Hillary supporter yelling "you're ignorant","you're ignorant"

What you see on twitter tonight is BLM complaining about Hillary.

So cool it for once with your bad mouthing of Bernie supporters.

https://twitter.com/AUCShutItDown/status/660178339961954304

[frylock]

51. Seems legit.

[azurnoir]

62. The Soros meme didn't originate on DU it was from HuffPo and run by MSN

Are Anti-Bernie Sanders 'Black Lives Matter' Protests Soros-Funded Pro-Hillary Astroturf?

Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), a Democratic primary candidate for the 2016 Presidential election, has been protested, heckled, and prevented from speaking multiple times by "Black Lives Matter" (BLM) protesters during the recent weeks of his campaign. This includes at the progressive Netroots Nation conference in Phoenix, Arizona in July, and over the weekend in Seattle, Washington. Black Lives Matter is a movement which gained notoriety in the wake of multiple killings of unarmed black men by police officers in the US. The message of BLM is hugely important; I couldn't agree more with the underlying message of BLM. There are undeniable systemic inequalities in the US that disproportionately impact and affect black Americans. By working on and trying to solve these problems, life will improve for all Americans, regardless of race. This is beyond question.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/are-anti-bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter-protests-soros-funded-pro-hillary-astroturf/ar-BBlCcVM

[stevenleser]

85. It was a David Pakman article. Does that somehow excuse pro Sanders DUers for running with it?

Pakman should be ashamed for writing it and anyone who was taken in by it should have seen the right wing memes and discarded them.

Soros funded astroturf. That's an article that belongs on Free Republic.

[azurnoir]

88. in a sense yes do you automatically discount everything you read on HuffPo?

or is just David Pakman who has been posted here on numerous occasions on a variety of subjects

[stevenleser]

90. I discount anything anywhere that is rife with right wing memes like "Soros funded astroturf"

Attacks using Soros as a boogeyman are about as obvious a tell as it gets.

[azurnoir]

91. so now you're saying David Pakman is rightwinger-I guess he was covert huh?

but really IMO

[stevenleser]

93. No, he's not. But he sure as hell used right wing memes in this article.

Do you latch onto right wing memes if they happen to dovetail with what you would like to believe at the moment?

[azurnoir]

120. Nice try except I've never said I believed this and rightwing is subjective

[stevenleser]

121. No, it's not subjective. "Democrat party" is not subjective. "Hitlery" is not subjective.

And similarly, suggestions that Soros is behind some nefarious conspiracy is not subjective. These are all right wing memes.

[azurnoir]

125. where politics are concerned nearly everything is subjective IMO

[artislife]

94. Good try. nt

[Cassiopeia]

128. Phew, I feel so much better now.

[romanic]

132. Yawn

Another sneak-attack on those "racist white supremacist" Sanders supporters using BLM as pawns to protect Hillary (who had little patience for BLM, much like the mostly black audience who saw through their attention-seeking antics).

[NCTraveler]

137. A clear picture of professionalism...

In contrast with fear and paralysis.

[Truprogressive85]

138. now let get some tweets from young black activists

Da'Shaun Harrison ?@_iAmRoyal 15h15 hours ago
White man called me "ignorant" and "a n***er" as I was being "escorted" out.
#Hillary4Who

Da'Shaun Harrison
?@_iAmRoyal
One of Hillary's campaign managers said: "She was nervous to come here anyway, for this exact reason."
#Hillary4Who


Brittany Packnett ?@MsPackyetti 14h14 hours ago
Brittany Packnett Retweeted #AUCShutItDown
Heard at #AUCShutItDown: "We know black lives matter, but now is not the time."

@soLEXsaid
"Black lives do matter but this is not the time" If you can't talk about black lives at a Historically BLACK College where the hell can you?

@Nettaaaaaaaa
Hillary's baby steps towards addressing racial justice in a real way aren't working. She is lagging behind her competition, Sanders.

curlyheadRED
When the Democrats proclaim themselves to be "progressive" and throw Black activists out of their events, that says something

[tblue37]

158. I watched the video of the man insulting the protesters and calling them "ignorant."

As it happens, he is not white. He is black, though rather light skinned.

Don't forget, black leaders of his time also berated MLK, called him names, and said that he should be patient and cooperate with the white power structure rather than angering them by causing trouble. I think the man shouting in the video thinks about BLM the way those prominent black citizens thought about MLK--and they are similarly mistaken.

[Truprogressive85]

159. Deja vu

There is segment of black elite/establishment politicians that sold black people out for crumbs and its an issue rarely talked about out in the open .

Whoever on HRC campaign, told those activists" black lives matter,but now is not the time" needs to be fired or issue an apology

They put themselves on the line not just issue lip service from a podium .

[bahrbearian]

139. "Well, I'll just speak to White People then."

[Bluenorthwest]

142. DU has an ugly history around disruptive activism, most here denigrate any activist that is not

in their own pocket. Look up the history of comments about LGBT disruptive activists. DU HATES them. About 6 people on DU have a history of supporting such activists.

Back during the early AIDS days, ACT UP activists took much heat. To find out what they thought you had to ask THEM, not some other LGBT people who were not there. When it comes to activism, I ask the activists.

I urge the OP and others who wish to speak for the activists to screw up their courage and take part in one of those actions. Later in life you will be proud of yourself for doing so.

[Chitown Kev]

149. Probably gets ugly

when The Chosen One (be it Bill or Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or Bernie Sanders) gets criticized and protested.

[stevenleser]

156. I'm not speaking for the activists. I support them, whether it's my candidate or

The "other" candidate that they are protesting.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

146. It is my unvarnished opinion that Mr. Leser has acquitted himself admirably in this thread.

eom

[ChiciB1]

150. I Just Posted Something About JOHN LEWIS On Another Thread!

What he did and stood for, fought for and I thought still wanted... well so far for me HE is the deepest cut into my heart!

I'm a white woman who stood WITH him back then during the Civil Rights Movement!

Not going to repeat everything I said, other THAN WOW! Use YOUR imagination and maybe you'll understand WHY I don't recognize THIS Democratic Party anymore! Oh, what has happened to you JOHN?????

[ismnotwasm]

151. I support #BLM

No matter who they are protesting. And you are right--a different set of circumstances.

[riversedge]

157. The woman of the hour is here!! 😊👏🏾😘@HillaryClinton #AfricanAmericansForHillary

Tweet I found ( before the protest I assume. )


The woman of the hour is here!! 😊👏🏾😘@HillaryClinton #AfricanAmericansForHillary

[MisterP]

160. so you're saying expelling BLM was okay because ... it was done blackly?

is that even a thing?

[stevenleser]

162. Nope. Not what I said at all. nt

[Cha]

161. John Lewis.. My Hero! A message from him..

Pretty Foot ?@PrettyFootWoman
Congressman John Lewis
4:27 PM - 31 Oct 2015 26 26 Retweets
21 21 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/10/31/photos-of-the-week/#comments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110724562

[Matariki]

164. Do people understand the difference between "protesting an event" & interrupting an event

to get an important message across?