Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:18 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
Two new polls this afternoon - Georgia and Florida:
Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Bay News 9/News 13:
Clinton 66, Sanders 24, Biden, O'Malley 3, Webb, Chafee Clinton +42 Georgia Democratic Presidential Primary WXIA-TV/SurveyUSA: Clinton 73, Sanders 16, O'Malley 4 Clinton +57 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
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George II | Nov 2015 | OP |
sufrommich | Nov 2015 | #1 | |
Sheepshank | Nov 2015 | #6 | |
Liberal_in_LA | Nov 2015 | #36 | |
YOHABLO | Nov 2015 | #60 | |
MineralMan | Nov 2015 | #2 | |
upaloopa | Nov 2015 | #5 | |
blackspade | Nov 2015 | #87 | |
upaloopa | Nov 2015 | #92 | |
blackspade | Nov 2015 | #93 | |
workinclasszero | Nov 2015 | #74 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #3 | |
MineralMan | Nov 2015 | #7 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #10 | |
MineralMan | Nov 2015 | #19 | |
Adrahil | Nov 2015 | #22 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #25 | |
Adrahil | Nov 2015 | #27 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #38 | |
NanceGreggs | Nov 2015 | #46 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #72 | |
CheshireDog | Nov 2015 | #30 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #91 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #108 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #112 | |
Godhumor | Nov 2015 | #8 | |
DCBob | Nov 2015 | #11 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #13 | |
MrWendel | Nov 2015 | #80 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #83 | |
sufrommich | Nov 2015 | #16 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #40 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #12 | |
Godhumor | Nov 2015 | #15 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #18 | |
Godhumor | Nov 2015 | #32 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #33 | |
Godhumor | Nov 2015 | #34 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #43 | |
Godhumor | Nov 2015 | #58 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #63 | |
Godhumor | Nov 2015 | #67 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #73 | |
Godhumor | Nov 2015 | #79 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #86 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #111 | |
1StrongBlackMan | Nov 2015 | #69 | |
Godhumor | Nov 2015 | #85 | |
MineralMan | Nov 2015 | #21 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #41 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #44 | |
upaloopa | Nov 2015 | #9 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #14 | |
sufrommich | Nov 2015 | #17 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #20 | |
sufrommich | Nov 2015 | #26 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #29 | |
upaloopa | Nov 2015 | #37 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #39 | |
upaloopa | Nov 2015 | #54 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #56 | |
upaloopa | Nov 2015 | #61 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #78 | |
OilemFirchen | Nov 2015 | #88 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #89 | |
Agschmid | Nov 2015 | #24 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #48 | |
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Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #53 | |
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oasis | Nov 2015 | #35 | |
Cha | Nov 2015 | #97 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #47 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #49 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #75 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #77 | |
RandySF | Nov 2015 | #64 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #66 | |
Cha | Nov 2015 | #98 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #70 | |
Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #76 | |
Cha | Nov 2015 | #99 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #107 | |
Cha | Nov 2015 | #113 | |
yeoman6987 | Nov 2015 | #81 | |
riversedge | Nov 2015 | #82 | |
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Cha | Nov 2015 | #100 | |
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Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #50 | |
Cali_Democrat | Nov 2015 | #62 | |
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CheshireDog | Nov 2015 | #95 | |
Cha | Nov 2015 | #101 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #68 | |
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Cosmic Kitten | Nov 2015 | #55 | |
George II | Nov 2015 | #110 | |
Cha | Nov 2015 | #102 | |
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Cha | Nov 2015 | #105 | |
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Cha | Nov 2015 | #114 | |
RandySF | Nov 2015 | #59 | |
workinclasszero | Nov 2015 | #71 | |
blackspade | Nov 2015 | #84 | |
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Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:21 PM
sufrommich (22,871 posts)
1. Georgia...holy cow!
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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:50 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
6. I was about to say the same thing...Holy cow Georgia n/t
Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:16 PM
YOHABLO (7,358 posts)
60. I will tell you why, she has the African American vote!
Bernie down here is more or less unknown.
This is the DU member formerly known as YOHABLO.
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Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:40 PM
MineralMan (136,516 posts)
2. Florida delivers 246 delegates to the Democratic
National Convention. Clinton leads there by 57 percentage points! That's more than all four February states combined, and Sanders might win one of them - NH.
How can anyone look at polls like this one and continue to insist that Bernie Sanders will be the nominee with a straight face. Georgia has 112 delegates. Texas, which will also be heavily in Clinton's camp, has 252 delegates. Reality is reality. http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/ |
Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:50 PM
upaloopa (11,417 posts)
5. All you need to do is read the OP's here about any
person or position to the right of Bernie. They have painted themselves in a corner.
The Democratic party has much more diverse opinions than Bernie supporters have. People are not going to join a group that despises them. Bernie's campaign is full if negative energy. It gives off vibes that say our way or nothing, No compromising. That is what the tea party does. It just doesn't inspire people. The negativity on this board alone is generating it's own bad Karma. |
Response to upaloopa (Reply #5)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:49 PM
blackspade (10,056 posts)
87. That is some classic projection given the vitriol over at the Clinton side site.
Response to blackspade (Reply #87)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:16 PM
upaloopa (11,417 posts)
92. Nothing like what is posted here
Response to upaloopa (Reply #92)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:43 PM
blackspade (10,056 posts)
93. That's like, your opinion, man.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:36 PM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
74. Math is hard
When Bernie is on the losing end of it.
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Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:46 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
3. Florida poll is a crap salad sample
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/11/3/florida_decides_poll_2016_election.html#2
This research was conducted using blended sample, mixed mode: respondents reachable on their home telephone (69% of registered voters) were interviewed on their home telephone in the recorded voice of a professional announcer. Respondents not reachable on a home telephone (31% of registered voters) were shown a questionnaire on their smartphone, tablet or other electronic device. Barack Obama carried Florida (the state was "blue" ![]() Talk about an unreliable poll. BWAHAHAHAHA ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #3)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:53 PM
MineralMan (136,516 posts)
7. Very graphic. I never order the crap salad when I dine out.
I have been known to order a "garbage" pizza, though.
In fact, this poll looks fairly well designed and did reach people on mobile devices. |
Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:57 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
10. Fairly well designed... lulz
I hope no one pays you for
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #10)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:11 PM
MineralMan (136,516 posts)
19. They don't. I'm not in that business.
That's not what I do.
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #10)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:12 PM
Adrahil (13,340 posts)
22. While you're fake laughing...
Are there any polls showing Bernie leading Florida? Even close?
No? OK. |
Response to Adrahil (Reply #22)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:15 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
25. Polls are for changing perception not predicting outcomes
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #25)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:16 PM
Adrahil (13,340 posts)
27. You keep telling yourself that, Dick Morris. nt
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #25)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:47 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
38. Sanders supporters don't say that in the few polls where he's ahead.
Response to George II (Reply #38)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:56 PM
NanceGreggs (26,123 posts)
46. But, but, but ...
... those polls are dead-on accurate. It's just the ones showing Hill in the lead that are completely wrong.
And the further ahead she is, the more inaccurate the poll. Get it now? |
Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #46)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:35 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
72. Yes, got it. Thanks for that major dose of "reality"...........
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #10)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:18 PM
CheshireDog (63 posts)
30. Cosmic kitten...
How many poll threads will you post on attacking the polls as unreliable or skewed?
Apparently you think every poll is wrong. We get it. |
Response to CheshireDog (Reply #30)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:08 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
91. I don't think you do "get it"
We need to be discussing the ISSUES.
This poll cheer leading is a big distraction, or worse, a smokescreen to hide the fact that a candidate is on the wrong side of the public interest. Cheering polls is juvenile, but enjoyable. And makes as much sense as yelling at your teevee during a football game. Polling is a BUSINESS. Political races spend hundreds of millions on polling, why? Two reasons: 1. To know how best pander to demographics 2. To persuade voters and create the bandwagon effect. It's a sad joke and it needs to be confronted, not embraced. Now if you understand what I'm saying you might start to "get it" |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #91)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:13 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
108. There has been a lot of discussion about the issues by both candidates. The difference has been...
...that Clinton presents solutions to the problems of the country, Sanders just says "we have to fix that".
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Response to CheshireDog (Reply #30)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:20 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
112. It's only wrong NOW, with Sanders plummeting and Clinton soaring. Back in May and June, even..
...into July they were accurate.
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #3)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:56 PM
Godhumor (6,437 posts)
8. Why is a blended sample a crap salad?
Would love to know, since you seem to have the science of polling figured out.
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Response to Godhumor (Reply #8)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:58 PM
DCBob (24,689 posts)
11. She has no idea.. just throwing shit on the wall...
as usual.
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Response to DCBob (Reply #11)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:02 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
13. Throwing crap on the wall is pretending polls predict outcomes
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #13)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:43 PM
MrWendel (1,881 posts)
80. Or that Black people have no free will or can think for themselves.
Response to MrWendel (Reply #80)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:47 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
83. You trollin me bro?
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Response to DCBob (Reply #11)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:48 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
40. And none of it sticks.
Response to Godhumor (Reply #8)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:01 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
12. What is a *blended* sample?
And why are the percentages
of those reached by phone versus mobile nearly identical in Florida and Georgia? Who (what demographic) responds to "recorded voice" interviews? Not playing unless you can at least demonstrate fundamental grasp of polling and stats. |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #12)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:05 PM
Godhumor (6,437 posts)
15. I'm sure you've seen my background here, as I talk about it frequently
I am a statistical analyst. I post primers on polling, aggregation, sample bias, etc all the time.
Now I have the bona fides, feel free to search my history, and I want to know what makes you think this sample is crap. You feel strongly about it, as you posted about it in two separate posts complete with emojis. So, you've made the claim. Can you back it up? |
Response to Godhumor (Reply #15)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:08 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
18. What is a *blended sample*?
And why use a blended sample
rather than haphazard or random? |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #18)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:19 PM
Godhumor (6,437 posts)
32. Sure. A blended sample means that responses come from more than one source type
In this case automated phone calls to home lines and surveys to mobile devices. The sample is then "blended" by including the responses from each type into one aggregation. The sample can still be and should be random
And blended sampling does carry risk that single source sampling does not. Pollsters have to establish how each type of information is weighted when putting together the complete sample. In this case an automated phone call and survey, neither of which are my favorite sources, are a good match. Both sources are removed from talking to a real person, which diminishes inherent and subtle answering ques for each question. |
Response to Godhumor (Reply #32)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:21 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
33. IOW, unrelaible and no benchmarks
Hence, crap salad sample
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #33)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:22 PM
Godhumor (6,437 posts)
34. No, that is not what it means at all
Have absolutely no idea how you reach that conclusion.
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Response to Godhumor (Reply #34)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:54 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
43. Blended sampls are unreliable, uncontrolable and heavily biased in weighting
Its about as much witch doctoring
a survey can withstand without being unquestionably invalid. What are the benchmarks? How much weight is given to a phone survey vs a mobile response? What is the refusal rates for each? Where are the crosstabs for phone vs mobile? |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #43)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:07 PM
Godhumor (6,437 posts)
58. You're making some incorrect assumptions on how blended samples work
The weightings are dependent on the population parameters. The caution in a blended sample is around how to identify the parts of the population that use which method. In other words, something like would weighing more of the mobile survey overcount the youth demographic for the population? That is what I mean about weights of response type. Blended samples generally do not include crosstabs by response type, outside of the % who responded in each manner, because it is considered one sample.
The survey and automated voice would "ask" the same questions so neither version would be deemed witch doctoring. And, out of curiosity, what would refusal rate mean to you? If, theoretically, I said respondents finished the survey 10% of the time over the phone and 20% on mobile devices, how would you interpret that in terms of the validity of the poll? |
Response to Godhumor (Reply #58)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:21 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
63. Weighting is a polling bias
In other words, something like would weighing more of the mobile survey overcount the youth demographic for the population?
That is the witch doctoring I mentioned. Those supposed population parameters are best guesses based on past guesses. This type of sampling is unreliable for many reasons and the weighting is high falutin' guesses or worse As to refusal rates... phone refusal rates are roughly 90% Mobile rates may be the same or vastly smaller. If vastly smaller, are they being over weighted or under weighted? What are the benchmarks? What reliable predictive results could be drawn from such shaky design? Are you really making the case that blended samples of 2000 people can determine the pulse of several million people? |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #63)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:30 PM
Godhumor (6,437 posts)
67. Establishing population parameters is at the heart of scientific polling
And when done properly, a sample can absolutely predict a population's movement within an acceptable margin of error.
By the way, the blended sample in this case corrects for underrepresentation of under 50 respondents by introducing the mobile aspect. It doesn't look like it helped Sanders all that much. |
Response to Godhumor (Reply #67)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:36 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
73. Yes, generally landlines are elderly and wealthy people.
The relative weighting is at issue.
And when done properly, a sample can absolutely predict a population's movement within an acceptable margin of error.
And who and how is it determined if the parameters are correct? Can you link to any agencies that provide their parameters for public review? Or is it "proprietary"? Sausage making is a messy business, eh? |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #73)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:43 PM
Godhumor (6,437 posts)
79. Let's back up. Do you know what population parameters are and how they're used?
Honestly asking, because it will change my answer if I need to start with the whats instead of the whys.
And it will be awhile before I answer, as an FYI. Time to spend time with my young'un. |
Response to Godhumor (Reply #79)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:49 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
86. K, dinner/family time out
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #73)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:11 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
111. And poor people who can't afford cell phones or smart phones.
Response to Godhumor (Reply #58)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:32 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
69. LOL ...
that exchange is about what I would expect if I were to try and convince Stephen Hawking that I know something about Physics.
You are a patient soul. |
Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #69)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:48 PM
Godhumor (6,437 posts)
85. If there is an actual interest in learning, I don't mind doing it
If it is instead an exercise to disruptive scientific polling, I will cut it off. I think I will know shortly which way the conversation will go.
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #12)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:12 PM
MineralMan (136,516 posts)
21. I've responded to recorded voice interviews.
I actually answer polling calls and sit there patiently to answer all of the questions.
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #12)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:49 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
41. Maybe because the overall results are nearly identical?
Response to George II (Reply #41)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:55 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
44. And that seems statistically probable?
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #3)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:56 PM
upaloopa (11,417 posts)
9. Hillary's campaign is building a ground game in every
primary state and it shows.
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Response to upaloopa (Reply #9)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:04 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
14. A ground game with elderly women?
Because the majority is with Bernie.
Bernie's ground game is YUGE!!!!! |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #14)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:08 PM
sufrommich (22,871 posts)
17. "A ground game with elderly women"
What the fuck??
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Response to sufrommich (Reply #17)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:11 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
20. Nice language
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #20)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:16 PM
sufrommich (22,871 posts)
26. Your nasty post deserved nothing less. nt
Response to sufrommich (Reply #26)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:17 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
29. Why so judgemental about who deserves what...too personal for me
Camp Weathervane
is making this too personal. Try this mantra: "I am not my candidate" |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #29)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:36 PM
upaloopa (11,417 posts)
37. Why do you think that stuff will attract more support
for Betnie?
It is a turn off! |
Response to upaloopa (Reply #37)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:47 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
39. CAlling people names will help Hillary?
MAybe you should go check out
the Clinton Cave to see how her supporters are winning support ![]() |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #39)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:02 PM
upaloopa (11,417 posts)
54. We are winning
I can do smilies too
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Response to upaloopa (Reply #54)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:06 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
56. *Winning* for Hillary is... not tripping over her own record or lies
This is my fav emoji spread:
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #56)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:17 PM
upaloopa (11,417 posts)
61. That one is getting a little time worn
it's being used when there is nothing funny so it's losing it's impact.
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Response to upaloopa (Reply #61)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:42 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
78. Lather Rinse Repeat
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #29)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:50 PM
OilemFirchen (6,487 posts)
88. Crap Haiku.
Try this:
Camp Weathervane is making this too personal try "I am not my" |
Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #88)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:55 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
89. Vers Libre: Freedom, Baby
Response to sufrommich (Reply #17)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:15 PM
Agschmid (28,721 posts)
24. Oh I think it's become pretty clear just exactly "what the fuck" that is.
Response to Agschmid (Reply #24)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:56 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
48. Not a mind reader, spell it out
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #48)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:59 PM
Agschmid (28,721 posts)
51. Sorry I don't take the bait. Better luck next time.
Response to Agschmid (Reply #51)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:01 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
53. Yet here you are in the fray?
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #53)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:06 PM
Agschmid (28,721 posts)
57. Yup I'm here, just not going to take the bait.
Response to sufrommich (Reply #17)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:23 PM
oasis (46,836 posts)
35. A last gasp dig from those who see the end is near.
Expect more of this, leading up to, and after the concession speech.
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Response to sufrommich (Reply #17)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:15 AM
Cha (269,130 posts)
97. LOL.. now you've gone an offended the one who said "A ground game with elderly women"!! Have
you no shame?!!
ROFL.. they have no talent for self reflection. |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #14)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:56 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
47. "Yuge"? Sounds like Donald Trump.
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Response to George II (Reply #47)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:57 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
49. Is it spelled *lite weight* or *light weight*?
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #49)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:36 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
75. It's spelled "N O M I N E E"
Response to George II (Reply #75)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:41 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
77. U F U N N A Y
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #3)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:22 PM
RandySF (36,382 posts)
64. Yes, it's a rule on DU
Every poll in which Hillary leads is a crap poll. But internet polls that have Bernie winning all 50 states are valid.
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Response to RandySF (Reply #64)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:26 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
66. And every Hillary supporter became such because ...
of how horrible the Bernie supporters behave
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Response to RandySF (Reply #64)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:17 AM
Cha (269,130 posts)
98. "bernie winning in all 50 states.."?!!! WTF.. who believe such propaganda?!
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #3)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:33 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
70. Professional pollsters know what they're doing....
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Response to George II (Reply #70)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:37 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
76. Yeah, keeping the money rolling in hand over fist.
Do you have ANY clue as to how it's done?
MAybe you just trust the teevee news talkers? |
Response to George II (Reply #70)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:17 AM
Cha (269,130 posts)
99. Didn't the rebel bernie hire one?
Response to Cha (Reply #99)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:11 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
107. I think he or someone working for him might have, that's how they came up with him winning 50 states
Response to George II (Reply #107)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:05 PM
Cha (269,130 posts)
113. Oh.. that sounds like flying unicorns.
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #3)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:45 PM
yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)
81. Goodness. We can still give to 20 points and Hillary would still be running away with it
So much for your crap sandwich.
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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #3)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:45 PM
riversedge (60,046 posts)
82. SurveyUSA gets an A rating from
Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:49 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
4. Oh look, the Georgia Poll is also crap salad
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/politics/2015/11/02/exclusive-poll-georgia-wants-trump-president/74819370/
Poll details: 2,075 adults from the state of Georgia were interviewed 10/15/15 through 10/26/15. This research was conducted using blended sample, mixed mode. Respondents reachable on a home telephone (68% of registered voters) were interviewed on their home telephone in the recorded voice of a professional announcer. Respondents not reachable on a home telephone (32% of registered voters) were shown a questionnaire on their smartphone, tablet or other electronic device. |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #4)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:14 PM
Adrahil (13,340 posts)
23. You sound EXACTLY like the Republicans poo-pooing the polls in 2012.
You'll have exactly the same results. You are a victim of outcome-based thinking.
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Response to Adrahil (Reply #23)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:19 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
31. You can hardly avoid making this personal?
![]() Now you are judging others as "just like republicans" ![]() Keep calm and Clinton on ![]() |
Response to Adrahil (Reply #23)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:20 AM
Cha (269,130 posts)
100. Oh you mean the one where romney didn't make a concession speech bc he thought he was going
to win?!
The one where they all lived in their double insulated Bubble!? Until it popped on election night? And, President Obama was re-elected? ![]() |
Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:17 PM
mcar (35,641 posts)
28. Go Florida!
Not often I get good news about my state.
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Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:53 PM
fbc (1,668 posts)
42. Clinton winning the red states... big surprise.
And yes, Florida will be a red state if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination.
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Response to fbc (Reply #42)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:56 PM
sufrommich (22,871 posts)
45. Did you think democratic primaries were only held in
blue states?
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Response to fbc (Reply #42)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:59 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
50. She's not *winning* anything.
It's just bogus polling
designed to create an illusion |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #50)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:18 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
62. All the polls are bogus?
Bernie is ahead in all 50 states?
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #62)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:24 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
65. Bogus? Who knows, but they are not predictive of outcome.
Not trying to have it both ways.
People need to understand polling is largely a self-serving industry with a vested interest in satisfying whoever is paying for the results. Would you hire a polling agency that couldn't find you any positive results? Yeah, me neither. |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #65)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:26 PM
CheshireDog (63 posts)
95. If I understand correctly:
You believe:
1. All polls are completely unable to predict anything 2. Hillary has paid every pollster in America to show her winning 3. Bernie is actually secretly winning |
Response to CheshireDog (Reply #95)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:21 AM
Cha (269,130 posts)
101. Or something lol
Response to fbc (Reply #42)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:00 PM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
52. When Sanders attracts Republicans it's wonderful, and cause for celebration
But the mere thought that Hillary could attract Republicans gets reactions like yours.
Double standard much? |
Response to lunamagica (Reply #52)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:03 PM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
55. Hillary is NOT attracting republicans
She's coasting on name recognition
in low information voter states. |
Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #55)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:13 PM
George II (60,584 posts)
110. If she did the Sanders fans would be complaining she's too far right.
She just can't win, until we get to Philadelphia in July and November against whomever.
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Response to lunamagica (Reply #52)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:23 AM
Cha (269,130 posts)
102. I love it how they have to get on a Thread that shows Hillary gaining so much traction and spout
nonsense!
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Response to Cha (Reply #102)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:08 AM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
104. They are BURNING, cha. just pure anger and desperation at the realization that
Sanders won't be the nominee...they are just lashing out...
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Response to lunamagica (Reply #104)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:51 AM
Cha (269,130 posts)
105. Yes "lashing".. Too bad.. we have an election to win in 2016 and we need the best
candidate.. who is Hillary Clinton!
![]() ![]() A Major Labor Union Just Endorsed Hillary Clinton Over Bernie Sanders http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/machinists-union-endorses-hillary-clinton_55ce33d5e4b07addcb42e9a9 Machinists Union Endorses Hillary Clinton for President http://www.goiam.org/index.php/news/press-releases/14828-machinists-union-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president International Longshoremen's Association latest labor union to endorse Hillary Clinton http://www.startribune.com/longshoremen-latest-labor-group-endorsing-clinton-candidacy/339120121/ International Union of Painters and Allied Trades Endorses Hillary Clinton for President http://www.iupat.org/wp/hrcendorse/ Teachers Union Backs Clinton for President The National Education Association follows the American Federation of Teachers in endorsing the Democratic front-runner. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/03/powerful-nea-teachers-union-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president ![]() Hillary Clinton Gets Backing of Major Union of Government Workers http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-gets-backing-of-major-union-of-government-workers/ ![]() |
Response to Cha (Reply #105)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:41 AM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
106. Oh, but we know union endorsements don't matter. Or polls. It's all about Facebok, baby, Facebook!
Response to lunamagica (Reply #106)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:07 PM
Cha (269,130 posts)
114. Nah, I saw a post that said corporations were for Hill and unions were for BS.. so I'm going
with that. LOL
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Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:33 PM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
71. BOOM! X2!
Go Hillary!
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Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:48 PM
blackspade (10,056 posts)
84. Not surprising in two conservative states.
It will tighten, it always does.
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Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:00 PM
Orrex (59,609 posts)
90. I need. a Sanders supporter to tell me why this is great for Sanders
Clearly these polls are flawed, since they favor Clinton.
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Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:55 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (96,349 posts)
94. Have these polls been unskewed yet?
EOM
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Response to George II (Original post)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:26 PM
William769 (51,445 posts)
96. Kick & highly recommended!
Response to George II (Original post)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:20 AM
McCamy Taylor (19,237 posts)
103. K&R
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Response to George II (Original post)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:29 PM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
109. Its all over but the cryin
for Bernie fans.
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Response to George II (Original post)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 07:39 PM
madville (5,201 posts)
115. With super delegates
With the bulk of the super delegates and her probably winning Florida, Georgia, Texas, and California it's not looking good for Bernie.
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