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pa28

(6,145 posts)
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:17 PM Nov 2015

In '08 Hillary advocated stronger urban gun laws and locally weaker laws in rural areas.

In 2016 she now claims that position means you have a "black problem". A charge apparently directed at Bernie Sanders but almost exactly her own position during the 2008 campaign.

Here is Clinton at the April 16 2008 debate:

SENATOR CLINTON: What I favor is what works in New York. You know, we have a set of rules in New York City and we have a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in New York City is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of, you know, blanket rules that they're going to try to impose, I think doesn't make sense.

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In '08 Hillary advocated stronger urban gun laws and locally weaker laws in rural areas. (Original Post) pa28 Nov 2015 OP
Apparently she evolved ibegurpard Nov 2015 #1
Indignantly condemning your own "black problem" in front of the NAACP like it never happened. pa28 Nov 2015 #9
It's almost as if she'll say just about anything. arcane1 Nov 2015 #2
smells like desperation saturnsring Nov 2015 #3
Would you mind squaring those two positions for me? pa28 Nov 2015 #6
im refering to all fervent posting of negative ads by dems about dems saturnsring Nov 2015 #12
And by "negative ads" you mean the uncut debate footage I provided? pa28 Nov 2015 #20
little bernistas scouring the internet going back years trying to find any little thing that seems saturnsring Nov 2015 #21
Strange how some Hillary supporters think examining her actual record is an act of vandalism. pa28 Nov 2015 #22
yea go post it in freeperville leave the tearing down of dems to them they dont need your help saturnsring Nov 2015 #23
and yet here you are, tearing down the candidate you don't like and insulting other Democrats who Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #30
i dont see where i said anything about bernie - i like bernie i'd be happy with bernie provided saturnsring Nov 2015 #31
I get it. You can't defend the hypocrisy or her record. pa28 Nov 2015 #35
it isnt our job to find faults in dem canidates you want to see that you can go to free republic saturnsring Nov 2015 #36
You sound like a very angry person. pa28 Nov 2015 #37
me? angry? saturnsring Nov 2015 #39
Heh. pa28 Nov 2015 #41
I'm sorry, do you think that Clinton's record should be expunged and forgotten? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #26
i dont think it's up to us to opposition research for the gop saturnsring Nov 2015 #32
So yes, you feel that clinton's record should be expunged and forgotten. Gotcha. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #38
i said it's not our job to do that not that it shouldnt be done - are u familiar with free republic saturnsring Nov 2015 #40
It IS, actually. It's part of what's called a 'vetting process" Scootaloo Nov 2015 #42
no it's opposition research and dems shouldnt be doing it that's the con's job saturnsring Nov 2015 #43
Good luck with your calls for information blackout about our candidates, saturnsring n/t Scootaloo Nov 2015 #44
From Hillary? Yes. frylock Nov 2015 #8
wow that is so funny and original. saturnsring Nov 2015 #11
Granted, it wasn't as fresh as this take.. frylock Nov 2015 #13
again hilarious and original saturnsring Nov 2015 #15
I'm here all week. frylock Nov 2015 #16
lol saturnsring Nov 2015 #18
Yeah there is desperation all right VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #4
wow Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #5
Well, up until now it's been a discussion of current issues. pa28 Nov 2015 #29
What might work in New York City is certainly not going to work in Montana. frylock Nov 2015 #7
She is a joke. azmom Nov 2015 #10
LOL UglyGreed Nov 2015 #14
Why is 2008 Hillary attacking 2015 Hillary? frylock Nov 2015 #17
I don't know UglyGreed Nov 2015 #25
she's really pathetic Doctor_J Nov 2015 #19
It's impossible to know what she really stands for on gun control and so many other issues. Vattel Nov 2015 #24
She stands for whatever is advantageous at the moment Scootaloo Nov 2015 #27
knr ... Sanders and Clinton agree on many points ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #28
Damn you Bernie folks go to extreme lengths...and then end up with disinformation. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #33
By disinformation you mean the completely uncut debate film with her own words on it? pa28 Nov 2015 #34
Bernie needs to bring this up in the next debate HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #45

pa28

(6,145 posts)
9. Indignantly condemning your own "black problem" in front of the NAACP like it never happened.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:12 PM
Nov 2015

That is some serious evolution.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
20. And by "negative ads" you mean the uncut debate footage I provided?
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:50 PM
Nov 2015

The "black problems" issue was raised by Clinton's campaign so I don't see how it's desperation. I was hoping one of Hillary's supporters could reconcile the huge discrepancy in her position.

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
21. little bernistas scouring the internet going back years trying to find any little thing that seems
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:01 PM
Nov 2015

to reflect badly on a democratic candidate. you know the stuff that republicans usually do but now they don't have to because they got democrats to do it for them. your candidate isn't doing so well so you trying to take down the leading dem buy posting any little thing you can find. it is that that smells of desperation and this op is a part of that

pa28

(6,145 posts)
22. Strange how some Hillary supporters think examining her actual record is an act of vandalism.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:08 PM
Nov 2015

They get mad and call us names like "Berniebaggers" and "Little Bernistas". Asking to reconcile what appears to be a very cynical use of race from just seven years ago doesn't seem like a big demand.

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
23. yea go post it in freeperville leave the tearing down of dems to them they dont need your help
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:11 PM
Nov 2015

you helping them is the desperation. if you candidate is so wonderful you shouldn't need to do this but he's losing and your getting desperate

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
30. and yet here you are, tearing down the candidate you don't like and insulting other Democrats who
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:05 AM
Nov 2015

do like him. Hugely hypocritical standards you have. You are berating rank and file Democrats for having a different primary choice.

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
31. i dont see where i said anything about bernie - i like bernie i'd be happy with bernie provided
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:33 AM
Nov 2015

he can win the white house. - and the rank and file dems can vote for whomever they want in the primary - and if they want to post good news abut Bernie, good! but Hillary supporters shouldn't be posting negative articles about Bernie and the Bernie supporters shouldn't be posting negative posts about Hillary leave that for the gop and freeperland.

like I said im referring to all fervent posting of negative ads by dems about dems

pa28

(6,145 posts)
35. I get it. You can't defend the hypocrisy or her record.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:59 AM
Nov 2015

Remember, your candidate started this line of attack and now you seem to have taken great offense at the factual response.

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
36. it isnt our job to find faults in dem canidates you want to see that you can go to free republic
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:04 PM
Nov 2015

and you and the freepers can get off on all the negative press you like.
got a kick out of " she started it" as if we were on a playground somewhere.

btw "my candidate" is whoever wins the primary

pa28

(6,145 posts)
37. You sound like a very angry person.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:08 PM
Nov 2015

Why not try breathing into a paper bag or take a nice hot bath. Listen to some Sibelius.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
38. So yes, you feel that clinton's record should be expunged and forgotten. Gotcha.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:10 PM
Nov 2015

Hate to tell ya, but it doesn't work that way. You want a queen, move to the UK.

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
40. i said it's not our job to do that not that it shouldnt be done - are u familiar with free republic
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:14 PM
Nov 2015

you might be happier there at this time they seem to have what you want.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
42. It IS, actually. It's part of what's called a 'vetting process"
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:19 PM
Nov 2015

You're of course deeply offended that Clinton wasn't simply handed the party nomination in 2013 or something, so I guess you don't understand. But the idea is to make sure our eventual nominee, whoever it is, has the best positions, the least baggage, and the tightest ship - or, at least, the ability to keep it all together anyway if they don't.

Further, Clinton's record is a matter of public, well, record. It's not our job to insulate, coddle, and protect her from herself.

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
43. no it's opposition research and dems shouldnt be doing it that's the con's job
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:24 PM
Nov 2015

and vetting isn't your responsibility either. you are not a vetter

btw "my candidate" is the one that wins the primary

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
4. Yeah there is desperation all right
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:28 PM
Nov 2015

But not from a candidate with a 30 to 57 point lead.....what is there to be desperate about?

pa28

(6,145 posts)
29. Well, up until now it's been a discussion of current issues.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:26 AM
Nov 2015

Now it looks we're going to be discussing Hillary's factual record on the issues as a result of the Clinton campaign decision to smear Bernie on race and sex. According to some of her supporters that means we're "going negative".

By discussing Hillary's factual record on the issues we're scraping the bottom of gutter politics. Seems to me that if your candidate is so bad that reminding voters of what she has actually done and said is "gutter politics" it might be time to find a new candidate.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
28. knr ... Sanders and Clinton agree on many points ...
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:47 AM
Nov 2015

as there are rural communities in both states and if we are going to bridge the gap we need to do so in a way where we can achieve meaningful reform.

Attacking Sanders on this issue and then going further to define it as racial problem is dishonest IMHO.

Thanks for the reminder.



 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
45. Bernie needs to bring this up in the next debate
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:31 PM
Nov 2015

Along with all of her other contradictions.

Actually on second thought, they only get a minute to answer questions so there probably wouldn't be enough time to list them all.

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