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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:47 PM Nov 2015

10-DAYS! How long it takes Hillary to parrot Sanders, again. Now on marijuana

Hillary Clinton Calls for Easing Federal Restrictions on Marijuana
by ALEX SEITZ-WALD * NOV 7 2015, 4:58 PM ET * NBC

ORANGEBURG, S.C. — Hillary Clinton called for lowering the federal restrictions on marijuana research at a town hall meeting Saturday on the campus of Claflin University, a historically black university.

The Democratic presidential front-runner called for reclassifying the drug from Schedule 1, the most restrictive class that includes heroin, to Schedule 2.

"I do support the use of medical marijuana," she said. "And I think even there we need to do a lot more research so that we know exactly how we're going to help people for whom medical marijuana provides relief."

"I want to move from Schedule 1 to Schedule 2 so researchers can research what's the best way to use it, dosage, how does it work with other medications," she added.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-calls-easing-federal-restrictions-marijuana-n459286

Here's Bernie's announcement on 10/28, 10-days ago, calling for legalization of weed:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-end-marijuana-prohibition

That is EXACTLY how many days it took Hillary to suddenly "evolve" on Exxon .. unbelievable.
Bernie Calls for Fed. Probe on Exxon, 10-DAYS later, Hillary Parrots Bernie & Makes a Big Splash????
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128068140
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10-DAYS! How long it takes Hillary to parrot Sanders, again. Now on marijuana (Original Post) 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 OP
And her supporters wonder why we aren't enthralled with her. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #1
hmm it took bernie sanders 73 years lol and now hillary 67 yrs 10 days. hillary wins again nt msongs Nov 2015 #2
Hillary wins the 2016 "ME TOO" Award, hands down. -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #3
Kudos for finding a new way to spin...nt artislife Nov 2015 #24
10 days? winter is coming Nov 2015 #4
No shit. 99Forever Nov 2015 #6
10 days from yesterday.... Schema Thing Nov 2015 #5
Amazing, isn't it? Hillary ran for President in 2008... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #51
lmaooo Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #7
Glad I'm not the only one to notice. -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #8
If Bernie quit the race tomorrow, lob1 Nov 2015 #33
LOL passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #34
. Autumn Nov 2015 #49
Bernie wants much more than what Hillary is supporting. He wants regulation Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #9
I know there are differences & nuances 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #11
+1 There is still a big policy difference between the candidates on this issue Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #12
Xerox Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #13
I've been advocating for a guaranteed income for 35 years. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #15
You are correct Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #16
Me too. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #46
Not even trying to hide it is she... HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #10
Um, this is not the same as Sanders, this is common policy. joshcryer Nov 2015 #14
As I've said up string, yes it's NOT the same, but it's pretending to be 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #17
She already suggested she'd make that position. joshcryer Nov 2015 #57
Then why was it being ballyhooed by Clintonistas as a big 'announcement' 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #59
OK, so what research has been done since she had no position on MJ? Opposition research maybe! nt thereismore Nov 2015 #20
She's been for medical marijuana. joshcryer Nov 2015 #56
Every time she does this, she is admitting she is not the one AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #18
She is really running for Bernie's spokeswoman. nt thereismore Nov 2015 #19
She doesn't want it legalized. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #21
The sociology of recreational drug use is interesting Fumesucker Nov 2015 #22
We know. She wants it kept where cocaine is now. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #53
If voters are asking for candidates to listen and respond to their needs and complaints, procon Nov 2015 #23
I understand why it's bothersome to be reminded, yet again 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #25
I am unaligned and will remain so until closer to my states's primary. procon Nov 2015 #40
It isn't about being first, it's about consistency over time, and questionable tactics. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #42
I seem to recall that girls back in middle school procon Nov 2015 #45
I already stated my observations, re timing, etc. and don't want to repeat myself 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #60
Since it has taken some people here more than a year to write about Clinton's stand on this issue, Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #26
Huh? 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #28
Why did Sanders talk about this a year later? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #29
Oh Please. They are actually taking very different positions on weed. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #32
Yes she did, why say Clinton talked about MJ 10 days later? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #41
If it's not news, then why this? Why now? 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #43
Let me ask this question, have you ever heard Sanders say the same things about issues he thinks Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #44
Bernie on drug laws in 1972: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #38
You just love destroying narratives Krytan11c Nov 2015 #61
What do you call it when a politician fields or tests a new idea on the public passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #27
Test, like following Clinton on voter suppression? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #30
Really? passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #31
BOOM BABY! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #36
And now crickets! passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #37
Of course! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #39
+1000 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #47
She wants to give her corporate friends time tinkerbelle Nov 2015 #35
Like Lockheed Martin, we know who gives time to Lockheed Martin, oh, forgot votes also. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #58
this is nothing but a windfall for big pharma restorefreedom Nov 2015 #48
She must figure that if she waits long enough, Hepburn Nov 2015 #50
You made this? Catherina Nov 2015 #52
The timing is pretty suspect as well. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #54
Is 10 days how long it takes to focus group test something? jfern Nov 2015 #55

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
4. 10 days?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:58 PM
Nov 2015

For the amount of money her campaign is shelling out, you'd think they could get better turnaround time on their focus groups...

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
5. 10 days from yesterday....
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:00 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary:

"Those Republicans who try to limit voting are COWARDS. Cowards, I tells ya!".

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
51. Amazing, isn't it? Hillary ran for President in 2008...
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:41 AM
Nov 2015

...and spent countless hours campaigning and touting her opinions, beliefs, policies and ideas for the future.

Not once, during the tens of thousands of hours campaigning--Did I ever hear her mention any of the issues that she now seems to care about so deeply.

She's worse than a flip flopper. She's a parrot.

And the worst part...she's only saying these things to win the nomination. These are not her closely held beliefs or policies. She just wants to win, because it's "her time."

Pathetic.


Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
9. Bernie wants much more than what Hillary is supporting. He wants regulation
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:21 PM
Nov 2015

left entirely to the states… removing it from Federal regulations altogether.

Hillary wants to downgrade it to schedule 2, use of which can still get one arrested and incarcerated. Especially if one is black or brown.

Bernie's stance has evolved from his conversations with the black lives matter activists from Campaign Zero.

Hillary's stance has evolved from her conversations with pharmaceutical companies.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
11. I know there are differences & nuances
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:25 PM
Nov 2015

and they are definitely worth noting. Thanks for pointing them out.

Hillary = Bernie-lite, maybe (if she doesn't change her mind again)

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
13. Xerox
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:30 PM
Nov 2015

If I'm Sanders camp I would come out in favor for :

1. Guaranteed Income - follow up on Dr. King economic plan to help bring poverty down.

see how fast HRC copy's that lol

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
15. I've been advocating for a guaranteed income for 35 years.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:39 PM
Nov 2015

Nixon came close, believe it or not.

That coupled with universal health care and tuition free college and much of the poverty pimp industry would come crashing down.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
16. You are correct
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:43 PM
Nov 2015

I agree that if we have guaranteed income + universal care + tuition free college = America we need to live in

If we have billions upon billions to fight war than we can support our citizens

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
14. Um, this is not the same as Sanders, this is common policy.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:32 PM
Nov 2015

Clinton has always said "wait and see" and "do more research." This squares fully with that.

And I've been predicting marijuana for well over two years, there are enough states that will send delegates to the convention it is almost sure to be in the platform.

What Clinton is doing is not controversial, as usual. Not that there's anything wrong with following the polls.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
17. As I've said up string, yes it's NOT the same, but it's pretending to be
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:46 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary = Bernie-lite, maybe (if she doesn't change her mind yet again).

Her 10-day gestation period, for parroting something "like" Sanders latest position
announcement, just kind of blew my mind, twice-over .

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
57. She already suggested she'd make that position.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:17 AM
Nov 2015

When she was asked in person by someone who was using mmj to treat their kids illness.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
59. Then why was it being ballyhooed by Clintonistas as a big 'announcement'
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:55 AM
Nov 2015
Hillary Clinton Calls for Easing Federal Restrictions on Marijuana
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110725735

Can't have it both ways.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
22. The sociology of recreational drug use is interesting
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:43 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/19/forget_the_war_on_drugs_alcohol_ruins_more_lives_than_all_other_drugs_combined_partner/


In big picture terms, the wealthiest and most educated people are most likely to drink. A Gallup poll released earlier this year confirmed that more affluent Americans drank more often than their poorer peers. “Whereas eight in 10 adults in these socio-economic status groups say they drink, only about half of lower-income Americans and those with a high school diploma or less say they drink.” (There was a racial component as well: 69 percent of non-Hispanic whites say they drink alcohol, compared with just 52 percent of nonwhites.)


 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
53. We know. She wants it kept where cocaine is now.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:09 AM
Nov 2015

I wonder if she wants offenders to be charged like powder, or like rock, though? HMMMMM. I wonder what Correctional Corporations of America would prefer...

procon

(15,805 posts)
23. If voters are asking for candidates to listen and respond to their needs and complaints,
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:43 PM
Nov 2015

it would be really foolhardy for any politician to brush aside the people's demands and ignore key issues just because they weren't the first to mention it. We did we become so petty?

People have asked for marriage equality and more efforts to reduce global warming, and the Dem candidates responded accordingly. The majority of people demand stronger gun controls, a higher minimum wage, prison reform, fair immigration, and yes, decriminalization of marijuana, and our Democrats have stepped forward with those policies. And good on them all!

None of these important public issues belong exclusively any one candidate. Asserting that the politician who first speaks on any given subject owns the proprietary rights that issue in perteputary is illogical and demeaning to the candidates and voters.

Just stop this petulant and juvenile wailing about "he said it first". It doesn't matter. What's important is that we have really good Democratic candidates who aren't afraid to take on these critical problems and offer the public their plans to resolve the complex issues.



 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
25. I understand why it's bothersome to be reminded, yet again
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:59 PM
Nov 2015

of this pattern of attempting to erase any differences between your candidate and Sander;
but this pattern is both striking & unmistakable, and I'm not the only one to notice it, by far.

I see you have nothing to contribute to the discussion except for name-calling and insisting
that "it doesn't matter". Fine.

Don't get me wrong. I am glad Hill's "seeing the light" on so many issue positions that Bernie is
well-known for having, or just came out with, whichever applies.

procon

(15,805 posts)
40. I am unaligned and will remain so until closer to my states's primary.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:56 PM
Nov 2015

I like Sanders.
I like Clinton.
I like O'malley.

Each for different reasons, and I see each with different strengths and weaknesses What I object to, is not the candidates, but their fans who are busily tarring them with unrealistic expectations, branding them as unrealistic caricatures, and chaining them down with the weight of their own petty assertions. You're right, I'm not going to "contribute" much of anything to a pep rally that tells me no one but Sanders has the right to support marijuana legalization. If being "first" is what really matters to you, "fine". I just don't see Sanders as being that shallow or birdbrained. So allow that my opinion is markedly different than yours if I see him as more focused on the pithy issues we face.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
42. It isn't about being first, it's about consistency over time, and questionable tactics.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:17 PM
Nov 2015

If you don't agree that Hillary's timing, on Exxon and Weed in particular, are
part of a deliberate strategy to attempt to erase any difference between her
and Sanders on issues that matter to Progressives, then fine. We disagree.

No problemo.

procon

(15,805 posts)
45. I seem to recall that girls back in middle school
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:46 PM
Nov 2015

got quite upset over the same such imaginary slights, although they were carrying about their dresses and not taking such a remarkably pugilistic stance over something as inconsequential as who was first to announce a given position. Be that as it may, there are clearly sufficient differences between the candidates to set them distinctly apart, and it confounds me why anyone would find it strange that Democrats share somewhat similar views.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
60. I already stated my observations, re timing, etc. and don't want to repeat myself
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:59 AM
Nov 2015

perhaps this is where we agree to disagree.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
26. Since it has taken some people here more than a year to write about Clinton's stand on this issue,
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:02 PM
Nov 2015

guess that is not a bad record, now who is parroting who?

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
28. Huh?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:09 PM
Nov 2015

I have no idea what you're talking about. Care to elaborate at least a little? Ok I'll
take a guess at it.

Perhaps you mean Hillary's had this same position she announced today, for the past year?
If so, then why is she repeating herself, 10-days after Sanders' announcement, with no
improvement or evolution?

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
32. Oh Please. They are actually taking very different positions on weed.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:29 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie's saying "to remove the federal prohibition on marijuana,” as in decriminalize.

Hillary only wants to make it less criminal, from schedule 1 to schedule 2.

It's Hill's uncanny timing that floors me. At least she's "consistent" about one thing,
running as Wall St-approved Bernie-lite, maybe, if she doesn't change her mind again.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
43. If it's not news, then why this? Why now?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:28 PM
Nov 2015
"ORANGEBURG, S.C. — Hillary Clinton called for lowering the federal
restrictions on marijuana research at a town hall meeting Saturday on the
campus of Claflin University, a historically black university.

The Democratic presidential front-runner called for reclassifying the drug from
Schedule 1, the most restrictive class that includes heroin, to Schedule 2."
~Hillary Clinton, NOV 7 2015, 4:58 PM ET

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
44. Let me ask this question, have you ever heard Sanders say the same things about issues he thinks
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:14 PM
Nov 2015

are important? Has he ever said the same statement over and over? I did not post this as news, she also gave information about refinancing student loans, candidates say the same issue time after time. Is there a problem with this happening?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
27. What do you call it when a politician fields or tests a new idea on the public
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:06 PM
Nov 2015

I can't recall the term, but maybe that is what Hillary is doing. She is letting Bernie test all the ideas, and if they get a good response, she picks them up and runs with them (not necessarily for actual use later). If they don't she goes in another direction.

Leadership, I tell you.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
39. Of course!
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:47 PM
Nov 2015

Most just the parrot talking points they read at their website.

They have no idea why Bernie was a DU darling until he challenged Hillary.

tinkerbelle

(38 posts)
35. She wants to give her corporate friends time
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:42 PM
Nov 2015

to figure out how to lock up the market. Gotta keep the hippies from making a buck.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
48. this is nothing but a windfall for big pharma
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:21 AM
Nov 2015

another way to encourage profiteering from a natural product while keeping her private prison owning friends happy.

this does NOTHING for the people

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
54. The timing is pretty suspect as well.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 04:30 AM
Nov 2015

The day after the forum this comes out. Bernie pretty unanimously came out as the winner of the forum so she releases this to bury that news. Politically I guess its a good strategy. I just wish if she was going to steal Bernie's platform, she'd go all in and not go halfway all the time.

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