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[aikoaiko]

1. Would it matter? Did MOM see a surge in black support?

[bravenak]

2. It would matter to the black folks being harassed!!!

[aikoaiko]

6. How is saying one thinks Bernie is the best choice harassing black folk?

I get it -- HRC fans, Bernie haters, and MOM fans don't want to hear it, but that's not harassment.

But getting letters in the mail like you did -- that was harassing.

[bravenak]

8. They flood any comment not positive about Bernie.

They harassed Rod for a month after netroots. Harassed many. Even John Lewis got some on his Facebook page. Then they pretend it never happened but the comments are still there.

[pnwmom]

108. No one is claiming that. Not everyone harasses. Just a loud, obnoxious, prominent group. n/t

[Ron Green]

3. It's pretty simple:

Bernie Sanders is asking everybody to get busy, to be citizens, to build community. He acknowledges he's not a cure-all or a savior. This is what I share with people of any color or background.

It's understandable that many of his supporters are unhappy and even obnoxious; their best hope is being buried under Hillary's juggernaut.

[bravenak]

4. They are smothering their chances with their harassment.

[Ron Green]

5. Nah - they're not out harassing likely voters,

they're annoying people on an anonymous internet site. Bernie's chances are being controlled by much larger forces.

[bravenak]

7. They harassed me. I am a LIKELY VOTER. Many of us victims are. That is why they find us discussing

POLITICS.

[Ron Green]

10. Have you decided your primary vote?

Were you influenced by anyone on these boards?

[bravenak]

12. I was influence by how nasty Bernie fans are to blacks, yes. And that letter in the mail sealed the

Deal.
Bernie says nothing. He does not care if they harass us, they are more important to him than us peons. He can't even tell them to knock it off. What leadership!!

[Ron Green]

16. I'm sorry for your experience and your hurt.

He's a good man and the best hope for 2016, in my view.

I wish you well.

[bravenak]

17. Thank you, sir! I was where you were before this.

Just wish he would say something. It would have kept me in the fold.

[JonLeibowitz]

18. Evidence that he has any knowledge of this occurring?

He doesn't use technology much I don't think.

[bravenak]

20. He hired Symone Sanders, right?

If she got the hell off of Facebook, she might could tell him. Otherwise if he and his team are not looking to see why they have issues with blacks? Then he is not ready for the white house. Period. Cannot win without us.

[JonLeibowitz]

21. True. Full stop.

Is there anything at this juncture that could make you change your mind? Somehow I doubt it. It is a shame you are choosing to not vote based on the issues; that makes me really disheartened and I am furious at those who treated you with such disdain and disregard.

Cheers.

[bravenak]

56. If people would stfu and just listen and stop this shit? YES.

I would GLADLY STFU too!

[jfern]

61. It's only a small number of people doing this

Most people got the message when Bernie said he plead guilty to not responding well to BLM.

[bravenak]

69. Then why do you guys not find them and check them instead of exoecting us to ignore them?

Onky a few so find them. Say something. Do not be complicit.

[JonLeibowitz]

71. Send me a PM when you find something. I'm a diehard Sanders fan but happy to tell someone to STFU

if they are harassing people on DU.

I'm serious.

[bravenak]

72. I will.

Go to prism's thread and read it as if you are black. Let me get the link.

[bravenak]

73. Read it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=788136

[JonLeibowitz]

78. Holy shit.

"If you fall for that, you deserve all you're about to get. Or not get. "

What a douchey comment.

The comments about "brown people" are offensive but not entirely off the mark and seem factually based. The remarks about the AA community are vile.

[bravenak]

79. Thank you. They do it so casually that it has become hell for us and normal for them.

It would take Bernie saying something to stop them.

[JonLeibowitz]

84. I responded. Pretty absurd.

I also just served on a jury allowing a dead picture of Gaddafi. I hate PC culture, but offensive is offensive.

[bravenak]

89. I was on that Jury!!

[pnwmom]

109. Bravenak used to be a strong Bernie supporter.

But his other supporters have been driving her away.

[Kentonio]

139. Not that strong apparently.

Given that since she flipped to Clinton she's happily been taking shots at Sanders any chance she gets. Not just at his supporters, but at the candidate himself who is now apparently deaf to AA concerns, just a grumpy old white guy who shouts at everyone and not a real Democrat anyway.

Given that the only way his campaign has really changed has been to work harder to reach out to minority voters, this makes me wonder what exactly it was she found so appealing before Sanders supporters hurt her feelings so much she changed to a new candidate.

[bravenak]

140. Maybe if his fans stopped trashing me constantly, I'd stfu.

As it is, they come one by one to insult me then pretend I AM BULLYING THEM ALL. One me. Bullying the entirety of bernie du. Alone. Crazy huh? I must be POWERFUL. Jeeze.

[Kentonio]

142. Perhaps if you didn't write a dozen posts a day

Insulting their candidate and about a hundred more directly attacking them, they might not feel like they have to respond in kind?

I'm sure you've had nasty posts from people in the past, and that's really horrible, but you've made more than a few yourself. People tend to get really angry when you insinuate they're a bunch of out of touch racists just because they support a different candidate to you. Considering you also used to support that candidate, it also comes across as more than a little hypocritical.

[bravenak]

144. He deserves my insults for that 'urban crime' thing he said about guns.

[Kentonio]

145. Except it had absolutely nothing to do with race, and Clinton had previously said exactly the same?

[bravenak]

147. Yeah right. Tell that on the mountain!

[Kentonio]

148. Which part?

If you'd like to hear Clinton saying exactly the same with your own ears..

It's at around 0:34.

As for whether or not it has anything to do with race, in this context no it doesn't. It's completely understandable why it could be misconstrued as such given how often urban really has been used in that way, but that doesn't mean the underlying issue has no merit.

It's a simple fact that guns in a densely occupied urban space are far more of a danger to the public good than guns in a sparsely occupied rural area. The simple fact that crime rates in cities are naturally far higher than in rural areas shows the truth in that. It's not unreasonable to take a position that a one size fits all solution to gun crime isn't going to gather the support it needs from both rural and urban communities.

It was a reasonable point when Sanders made it recently, and it was a reasonable point when Clinton made it back in 2008. For her to twist it into an accusation of racism was disgusting.

[bravenak]

149. He is still saying it. She is NOT.

You trying to tell me that urban does not mean black? It has been a republican dog whistle for years.

[Kentonio]

150. Look, I'm not arguining with that at all

It certainly has been used as a republican dog whistle for a long time, and that is absolutely disgusting.

Despite that though, urban most certainly does NOT mean black. Urban vs Rural is used as a comparison used constantly in research papers and studies. To reference an issue where they are relevant and not use the word urban basically means you're deliberately avoiding using it. Perhaps he should have avoided it to ensure it couldn't be used against him, but I doubt the thought ever crossed his mind. He's a progressive Democrat who needs the AA vote to win the nomination, why the hell would he be using racist dog whistles?

[ismnotwasm]

22. Presumably, the assumption was made, using good old fashioned white-splainin'

That Black folk (politically naive don't you know--insert sarcasm tag here) had never heard of Sanders and would love him once they knew him. Once that didn't happen, there was more in your face confrontation snd harassment all the way up to using the phase "race naggers" and implying PoC had Stockholm syndrome (not trying to whitesplain here--just give a synopses as I see it)

It continues to be a problem, my understanding is that while Sanders HAS picked up AA support, it's not a whole lot, between Sanders lukewarm outreach and the Internet wide general obnoxiousness of a few Sanders supporters. (I honestly believe that most are good people, it's the OOT few making all the noise, and sadly, now I am NOT talking about just DU)

[bravenak]

23. +1. Fuck yeah!

[ismnotwasm]

25. I just finished that article and it gave me chills

As well as Deja Vu. So spot on..

[bravenak]

38. Everything I have brought up is right there. Like they stole my mind.

[betsuni]

42. As I read it, I thought you could have written it. nt

[bravenak]

105. Me too. I should write one with links galore!

[betsuni]

124. You really should. Pretty please! Cathartic to write for you and beneficial for the rest of us.

[Kentonio]

141. Maybe you should put that sarcasm tag somewhere else.

As of June 14th, Sanders had 1% name recognition among African American voters. If you're going to try and accuse people of being racists, perhaps you might consider checking your facts first.

[72DejaVu]

152. I think his name has been in the news a time or two since June 14

[2pooped2pop]

34. ain't that the truth. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

9. K&R

[bravenak]

14. Thank you.

[Starry Messenger]

66. I just found this...!

[bravenak]

68. Lololol!!

Monochromatic and male.

[Ken Burch]

76. That poster is a cheap shot to the Lez Miz characters it depicts

1)Most of them weren't privileged;

2)Virtually all of them died for the cause, and died willingly.

[Starry Messenger]

83. Um, you do know it's from a fictional work, right?

A movie? And a novel? Their inability to connect with working people is part of their storyline though, as the proletariat don't rise to their premature call to action.

[Ken Burch]

93. Of course it's from a novel.

But still, those characters walked the walk. They weren't phonies and they weren't posers. And it's still bullshit for anyone to argue that HRC has ever cared more about working-class people and poc(groups that heavily overlap) than Bernie does. And it's bullshit fr anyone on this part of the spectrum to ever echo Wallace/Nixon/Reagan tropes about leftists being "priviliged whites" or elitists.

[Skidmore]

151. They were characters...in a novel...

who only walked in Dumas' imagination.

[jack_krass]

11. Its almost never good when...

People base what they say, how they say it, or even the accent they use!, based on the color of the people they're talking to.

[bravenak]

13. Or when they seek out POC just to talk down to them like children.

[jack_krass]

28. True,

But I don't think that sort of thing is limited to Bernie supporters... or even to Democrats.. I've heard black Republican coworkers speak of overzealous a-holes "informing" them about "voting against their interests" and such. Incredibly condiscending, and I couldn't imagine broaching such territory (even if there's a kernel of truth there)

[bravenak]

39. Not limited, no.

Maginfied by the idea of a revolution. Attracts all sorts.

[Bonobo]

15. You notice when people say things.

I wonder if you notice when they don't.

[bravenak]

19. Yeah. When they don't I expect nothing.

[Bonobo]

27. You missed my point.

You got angry at XXX number of people saying things, rude things for example.

If XX stop saying them, you still notice X and call it out.

Did you even notice that XX stopped?

Maybe you say you do, but it doesn't show, nor do XX get any credit.

[NuclearDem]

30. Are you really asking if people should get brownie points for not being horrible people?

[Bonobo]

35. No.

And I sure as hell wasn't asking you either.

[NuclearDem]

37. Actually, yeah, that's basically what you're saying.

That people should get credit for not saying things they shouldn't have been saying in the first place.

And as an added bonus, not even really changing, since they're now demanding they get pats on the back or else.

[Bonobo]

46. No, it is not.

I am pointing out that it is the human condition that we tend to notice things that are in action while failing to note things at rest.

It is not my point that PEOPLE should get credit, but rather than Bravenak may not have noticed the degree to which her words have actually changed people because she is only looking at the noise-making set of people and not at those who have stopped making noise.

[bvf]

58. Do you think there are people who are

capable of honest, positive change without expecting credit for it?

[bravenak]

40. I noticed that you were one who did evolve. You know this is not about you.

Maybe that's why you are so frustrated. Cause you cannot change others.

[oasis]

24. K and R.

[Jamaal510]

26. Backtracking to the

“He’s done more for black people than any other politician?” part, I found the part about Obama interesting. It mentioned BS getting credited for things that Obama has also done and said. It has been a recurring theme for some posters on here and on DKOS to overlook key parts of his agenda (and HC's, to some extent), and instead hail BS as the only politician talking about certain issues or as the standard bearer for progressive policy. Much of what he talks about has been discussed for years within the party, including income inequality.

[bravenak]

41. I noticed that too.

Hell, one person told me that Bernie has done more for me than my mama. Stopped posting there immediately. Crazytown.

[lovemydog]

57. I've noticed that too.

The day President Obama vetoed the Keystone pipeline, I started a thread in GD about it.

No one replied.

There were like five active threads about Hillary's butt.

The same folks claim everyone else is superficial and don't want to talk about policy.

[Cha]

60. I loved that part, too, Jamaal. Actually showing President Obama's record on what he has

gotten accomplished for African Americans.

There's My Brother's Keeper, too..

The ‘Rise’ of Obama’s My Brother’s Keeper initiative

"For President Obama, My Brother’s Keeper (MBK) is personal. He cares about a lot of issues. But when it comes to addressing the plight of young men and boys of color in this country, when he articulates the harrowing statistics that show their stunted growth and blunted promise, Obama displays the pain of someone with intimate knowledge of the problem. Still, there is a hopefulness and determination behind what he is doing because the president knows he is uniquely positioned to command the attention needed to bolster solutions in a very just cause.

Obama’s championing of MBK, a public-private endeavor he established in 2014, got the attention of documentary filmmaker Dawn Porter. “Rise: The Promise of My Brother’s Keeper,” which will air at 7 p.m. on the Discovery Channel and simulcast OWN: Oprah Winfrey Network on Father’s Day, looks at the lives of young men and boys of color in four MBK-principled programs around the country. It will premiere at the Newseum as part of the documentary film festival of the American Film Institute on June 18. But what will give the one-hour documentary added power is the participation of the president himself. Obama granted Porter an interview during his visit to Camden, N.J., on Monday."

MOre
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/05/20/the-rise-of-obamas-my-brothers-keepe
-initiative/


Youth Guidance: President Obama Invites BAM Program Back To The White House



Many more pics and information .. http://theobamadiary.com/2014/02/27/my-brothers-keeper/

[lovemydog]

80. And he's committing to that as one of his primary causes

after he is President. That's genuinely progressive.

[Cha]

103. I was just thinking that as I was re-reading it just now, lovemydog.. Mahalo for bringing that to

light!

President Obama is going to have an amazing amount of accomplishments for people after POTUS like Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

[betsuni]

29. K&R!

[PatrickforO]

31. OK.

[fasttense]

32. Here's a tip: Stop saying negative things about Bernie

To his supporters.... we've heard all the criticisms already and you endlessly repeating them does NOT make them anymore valid than the first 50 times we heard them from Hillary supporters.

[ismnotwasm]

33. Wow.

Point went that away you missed it

[bravenak]

47. NO!!!

[Luminous Animal]

36. What is your message to black Bernie supporters? What do they need to stop

saying about Bernie. Because there are black feminist discussion boards dedicated to Bernie. There are black twitter and black Facebook pages dedicated to getting Bernie elected.

You just go ahead and take your bad ass self and post that ignorant image on their sites. I challenge you to do that and then post their reactions.

[bravenak]

48. You think I'm scared to post a graphic to black folks?

[Scootaloo]

86. Yeah, I absolutely think you are

[bravenak]

87. You would be way more scared than me. Way.

[Scootaloo]

97. I think you would have a meltdown, bravenak.

[bravenak]

98. Lol! You know I lived through the LA Riots, right?

Been jumped into Backstreet. Stripper fights. You would be way more scared than me. Hell, my husband might make you piss just by aporoaching you on a dark night!! And he's nice, imo. Big as fuck, but rarely knocks anybody out.

[Scootaloo]

107. You know, I've always been curious...

About what your perception of me might be. Like where i came from, what I've been through, that sort of thing. Now I'm really curious. What'cha got in there? PM if you prefer

[bravenak]

113. My perception is that you are being weird.

But if you wanna compare notes, by the time we finish, you'll feel bad for ME. And I will just laugh.
I was born during the gang wars of the 80's. Been shot at too many times to count starting before pre school. Family were gang leaders at times.
If you see that gang Documentary that has that black gangser chick, coulda been about drugs, though. That's my auntie's best friend from high school.
Not ever scared. Not allowed. When you say that to me, it makes me think you are scared.

[Scootaloo]

117. I'm always weird. But I'm also curious.

I mean, you think I'd be scared of your husband. You also think that sanders is only supported by privileged white hipsters. So I'm curious about where you think I come from, exactly. it's not about keeping score, I'm genuinely curious.

As for you being scared? yeah. I think genuine interaction with groups of black sanders supporters is too far outside your comfort zone, Bravenak.

[Scootaloo]

120. Exactly my point

[bravenak]

122. Laughing at a dude trying to internet punk me

[Scootaloo]

123. Laugh all you want

Fact is, you can't even acknowledge that there are a good number of black people pulling for Sanders. Sounds like 'scared" to me.

[bravenak]

130. Not enough

I bury you, my grudges
deep inside
The coal black cavern that is my heart
Light no fire within my lonely vessel
For there sits a candle,
flame burning low.
The flicker felt,
shadows dancing,
Catching on remnants of pain and passion
Derision and laughter
Stay apart, oh grudges, rest, rest.
Time forgot you, oh!
The fields of my heart left fallow.
I bury you there, my grudges
Deep, oh, so deep!
That you may be born again
From the extant loam of life
That bears the acid sting of remembrance
Hide, my grudges, don’t tarry,
Grow behind my smile and laughter
The eye twinkle,
A gentle friendly seed
Patient ,patient, my grudges, lo!
Your dawn rides in
High on the wings of memory
To deracinate forgiveness
And steal revenge

[Scootaloo]

133. That's really damn good, not gonna lie

Also? Bonus points for the first time I have ever seen "deracinate" actually used. Like, ever.

[bravenak]

134. Trying to work defenestration into one. It's hard.

[Scootaloo]

135. I just throw that word out a fucking window.

[bravenak]

137. Like Bran Stark

[jhart3333]

104. You were alerted for this post

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

OTT badgering a POC

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:07 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: An obvious example of alert stalking
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see this post as "badgering." I think the Luminous Animal has a right to ask those questions. Leave it alone.

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a back and forth going on...doesn't seem like one badgering more than the other is badgering.
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Explanation: The OP should be alerted. That graphic is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, and otherwise inappropriate.

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[Rebkeh]

43. As a black woman Bernie supporter,

I think there is serious miscommunication going on here.

The racism and denial of privilege from many Bernie supporters reflects badly on Bernie and is hurting the campaign. I've been attacked myself (not at DU) and I'm on their side.

I've also gotten attitude from black Hillary supporters too though, some at DU. It has been anything but pleasant to be on the receiving end so now I feel sympathy for the other guy.

From where I sit the misunderstanding is because neither side is truly listening to the other. Everyone is on the defensive and nobody's getting the other side's perspective because they are too busy trying to silence what they don't want to hear.

Just my two cents, fwiw.

[bravenak]

49. This is the thing... We don't have to listen to them.

We don't owe jack shit to nan one of them. Or Bernie. If we say 'leave us alone', then they need to leave us alone. Once a bernie fan decided to send me hate mail to my home, I knew what time it was. They think I owe obeisance and genuflection.

[Rebkeh]

59. Owe?

Who said anything about "owe?" Besides, wanting to talk politics in a political forum is a problem?

Nobody walks in expecting to jump through hoops to "prove" themselves worthy of one's company so ... It goes both ways. Nobody is going to be respectful after that.

Boundaries should be respected, obviously. Letters to your home - no. Unacceptable.

Oh, and the JW reference up there is intolerant and offensive, no wonder you don't get the respect you demand.

[bravenak]

65. I have no damn clue what you are talking about.

JW reference? Jehovah Witnesses? So what! I do not need respect from DU. Grown ass woman. They follow me around like roaches on a cookie and you want I should listen? To folks calling me race baiter? You young Rebkah. I can tell. Me? I done did shit. Not just TALK.

You do not have the wherewithal to give me advice on my behaiviour. Lack of respect Rebkeh. Nobody taught you how to come at black folks you don't know? No introduction? Just straight in defending the indefensible and judging me?


You can miss me with your lectures. I'm GROWN.

[Skittles]

77. that's what I see too, Rebkeh

they're too busy attacking each other to really listen - gawd, I detest swooners no matter WHO they swooning for - anyone 100% behind any politician is NUTS

[bravenak]

81. Funny you had no problemo with this, though.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=788136

Ummm hmmm. Selective are you not? Anti black posts merit no lectures. Wonder why...

[NanceGreggs]

44. That article is a GREAT read!!!

Thanks for posting it!

[bravenak]

50. Thank you nance!!

[Cha]

45. LOLOLOLOL! Someone Got IT! Did they think that shite wouldn't come back to bite

them in their collective butt one day?

"Say Bernie Sanders’ name in a tone on Twitter that’s anything less than overly enthusiastic and one of his supporters will burst onto your timeline like the Kool-Aid Man. It’s become a predictable annoyance for many, particularly black people, who haven’t made their decision on who they are voting for in the 2016 election"

snip//

"No group is more unhappy – and annoying about how unhappy they are – than Bernie Sanders supporters. They’re so annoying, last week I was explaining why Black Lives Matters disrupted a Hillary Clinton campaign event and I got more angry Sanders supporters in my mentions than Clinton. The most annoying thing about dealing with Bernie Sanders supporters is that they always end up saying the same thing. I remember when Rod from The Black Guy Who Tips was explaining the joke #BernieSoBlack and then had to deal with at least of month of harassment from Sanders supporters."



THIS>>>>>>>

“He’s done more for black people than any other politician?” Now that's just Bullpucky!

Let’s ignore all the black House Democrats that have fought their entire careers for their black constituents. Let’s ignored Senators like Elizabeth Warren who – since we’re giving credit to Sanders for speaking out – gave a better Black Lives Matter speech than any of the democrats running for President. Let’s just focus on President Obama. Aside from the positive effects health care reform and lowering the disparity in drug sentencing, there are several things that Sanders gets credit for that the President has done as well. Speaking about police violence? The president has done that. Not only that, but he’s set aside money for body cameras, ended a program that sends military grade equipment to police departments and even explained why Black Lives Matter is being said in a better way than Bernie has. Matter of fact, for a good portion of this year, the President has been very vocal about talking about Criminal Justice Reform and doing things about it. He’s the first sitting president to ever visit a prison and had a candid sit down talk with inmates. He’s about to sign an executive order to prohibit federal employees from asking about an applicant’s criminal history. Sorry, he’s done more than Bernie Sanders. So stop using this faulty line.

Brilliant find, brave.. Way to stand up for President Obama's record of history!

[bravenak]

51. THAT GRAPHIC IS KILLING ME!

[Cha]

63. It was meant to!

[Rebkeh]

52. Yeah

Not helping.

[bravenak]

55. If you have something to say Rebkeh, holla!

This passive aggressiveness will just get ya on my list.

[Rebkeh]

62. Passive aggressive?

Bye

[bravenak]

64. You sill here, Reb?

Holla at me in AA. Do not come at me funnystyle for your friends. That is my meaning.

[Rilgin]

110. This must be a pat response

She used the same exact language in a post to me recently.

In recent days, I had read a lot of posts by the OP. All in the same vein as this thread. Recently in a thread about Hillary and war votes. Not about AA or social justice, I responded to this poster with a response on the effect of war on POC both AA and others if Hillary continues to vote for wars. My focus and my complaint about Hillary is the number of people who are killed in the world who are also POC and are disenfranchised. I have never heard this poster show any empathy with this group in discussing issues affecting POC.

It should be obvious that this should be an issue you can raise on a political newsgroups discussing primaries. Further, it was directly on point to HRC and POC in a thread about her history of voting for war.

This was the only post I have ever made to this poster. I have no, nada, nil, nothing, zero, past history with this poster and I will never engage with her on any political issue in the future.

Instead of discussion, her response was exactly the same. She accused me of "passive aggressively" threatening her. Those were the exact words used except she followed the passive aggressiveness by saying I threatened her.. My post could not in any sense be read to threaten her. I have no idea about who she is. I did not say she would be sent to war. My only problem seems to be that I was addressing her point that she posted in a way she apparently wanted to ignore. This according to her was a passive aggressive threat. After that, I was accused of whitesplaining, being privileged and the normal things by other names I recognize as prolific posters on this web site. Then my response was alerted on and hidden by a 4-3 vote. So my post was hidden while her libel of me as to threatening her went on. She did not apologize for that attack.

So my basic point is that you are not alone. The only response to discussion by a group here that raises contrary viewpoints will be to be jumped on and accused of being passively aggressive.

[bravenak]

116. Your complain about me is noted.

[Cha]

66. Oh it's helping a lot to get the facts out there.

[bravenak]

70. I think some people missed the entire summer and are just born this week or something.

[Cha]

74. Or they don't want to be reminded of what too many of sanders' supporters were doing online to

to harass Black Folks.

Me? I think Sunlight is the best disinfectant.. Shine on, brave.

[bravenak]

75. I agree!

Bring on the sunshine!!

[MisterP]

53. 8 venues Clinton supporters HAVEN'T expelled BLM from

8 dictatorships Lanny Davis could've been sent to instead of one where Garifuna have their throats macheted open
8 welfare reforms Clinton DIDN'T brag about
8 tough-on-crime policies Clinton DIDN'T--oh, you get the picture

I mean look at this--the Requerimiento was less high-handed!

[bravenak]

54. Do you hear black people and immediately think about Welfare?

If so, stop. Harassing us about welfare reform is annoying and many of us find it bigoted.

[JackInGreen]

106. Didn't the welfare reforms under bill

Hurt the AA community most? That's the stat I've heard.

[bravenak]

115. So that means harass us about welfare?

Like we are all on it? More whites get welfare, why not bother them? We get enough of this kinda crapola.

[Recursion]

126. No, most AFDC recipients were white. Most TANF recipients are white.

More to the point, AFDC was used as a cudgel against African Americans for so long that bringing it up is probably a sign that one is not listening.

[JackInGreen]

128. Fair enough

I'll take your word (though i'd love a link, that's not a challenge, just a desire for source info).

[Recursion]

125. Did you really just go straight from "Black" to "Welfare"?

Wow

[Cassiopeia]

82. I love how you start your thread

with an absolute insult to Sanders supporters.

I'm sure you had a valuable message about the needs of black people, but I stopped reading after the photo you start with.

[bravenak]

85. Did you click the link? No. Cause it is the graphic from the link.

The reason you guys have not gained support is because your feelings are way more important that doing what needs doing to EARN the black vote for your little 'revolution'. We do not NEED Sanders. He NEEDS US.

[Cassiopeia]

88. If Hillary wins the primary

and she and her supporters continue to carry an attitude like that, then we can kiss the GE goodbye in a landslide.

Have a wonderful night.

[bravenak]

91. But you think this op is cool then? Nothing to say to him?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251788136

[AgingAmerican]

94. Some people you just have to take with a grain of salt

[bravenak]

96. Or you can read every word they write

[rbrnmw]

90. K&R

Great article

[bravenak]

92. Thank you

At least some people know what's going on

[rbrnmw]

95. And some folks will never get it.

[bravenak]

101. No. This:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251788136

[Maedhros]

100. You should ask yourself if what you are doing is helpful, or harmful. [n/t]

[bravenak]

102. Ask yourself why you ignore this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251788136

Is that helpful or harmful? And why are you not there telling him to stop?

[Cha]

127. It is very "harmful".. to bernie supporters who have engaged in that kind of Harrassment.

And, it's harmful to the bernie campaign because they do it in his name.

They want to not bring it out into the Sunshine. Keep that shite buried deep. then you would make them all so happy.

Instead.. what are doing? That's right you're ruffling their feathers. 'cause what they're doing Isn't Good Enough.

[bravenak]

129. They pretend nothing is wrong if they are dishonest

[Cha]

131. They're full of

pretense.

[bravenak]

132. Exactly

[Art_from_Ark]

111. It's always "Not good enough, Bernie" with that poster

Bernie marched with Dr. King and was arrested for protesting segregation.

"Not good enough, Bernie"

Bernie supported the candidacy of Jesse Jackson.

"Not good enough, Bernie"

Bernie has a 100% rating from the NAACP

"Not good enough, Bernie"

Then she wrote that Bernie never, ever met with African-Americans. When I showed her that Bernie had recently spoken to a mostly AA audience in South Carolina, she complained that it was at a university

[waldo.c]

112. Bernie will win

and Bravenak, you are as annoying/condescending/trollish as anyone else here, so splat yourself.

[akbacchus_BC]

114. I cannot believe that this is what American Politics has evolved into!

Good for you to asking a real serious question.

Here we are having a politician looking to lead the best country in the world and we have such idiotic condesending responses. Way to go America! You get what you deserve!

Well, let me tell you how proud I am of our Prime Minister, his name is Justin Trudeau. We will be backing him with all our might as we voted for him and he will make us proud at the G8.

[BeanMusical]

119. That poster is not American either.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/~waldo.c

[eridani]

121. Tell that to this artist

[Number23]

136. Trying REEEAL hard to work out post #121 and why that person feels that one artist is supposed

to refute your OP.

Not only is every word of this OP 100% true but judging by the number of personal attacks and alerts you copped for it, a shit load of people here obviously see their ever so painful reflections in it too. K&R

[bravenak]

138. Hell! I could paint that!!!

And my talents lie elsewhere. Not impressed, but it's still cool.

I have no clue wtf that was supposed to do with my op. I usually get strange things said to me so I just passed it on by.

They know VERY WELL that these thing have been said time and again, from the Wall to Dorne, but they refuse to believe it.

[Number23]

143. The painting is... odd at best. But I've never considered myself some grand art lover

I have no idea what the expression on Bernie's face is supposed to signify. He looks like he needs to get to the toilet.

I also find it incredibly interesting that he put Trump and Bernie as opposite ends... of the same card. Very, very interesting indeed. Though he nails Trump's hideous lips, hair and personality cold.

[bravenak]

146. It would take me a while to break this down and discuss the iconography. Might do it, though.

I find the use of Grisaille on the faces interesting when combined with the bold use of color. Is that symbolic of something? (Death?)Him being the reverse of Trump is very interesting and I'd like to know what the symbolism is there. The hand floating above the right shoulder is very strange. Is his hand cut off and floating there holding a windmill for green energy? Hmmm.
The pensive, and benevolent but wise expression on Bernie's face seems false somehow. Used to him yelling I guess.

Acrylic on canvas I think. I do not like the feel of acrylics at times. That's why I just do photos or oil. Acrylics are cheaper though, I need to get into it.

[Cha]

153. "On Twitter, Bernie Sanders’s supporters are becoming one of his biggest problems" Not just on

Twitter.

Terrell Jermaine Starr said at the time it wasn't fair to blame the vitriol on Bernie. But, it is now.. it's huge and pervasive..

snip// from your link with another view..

"Political consultant L. Joy Williams says Sanders could have won the allegiance of some black voters by responding to his supporters’ combative and patronizing comments and distancing himself from them. It would have been a good opportunity for the candidate to interact with black press and connect with black Americans, she said. “It’s not as if he went on NewsOne Now or did an interview with black press and said, ‘I am dismayed by the way some of those who support me are treating us [black voters].’ That never happened.”

end snip//

They do it in his name.. that's why. There's no separation. There's too many of them doing this to think anything good about BS, when so many of his supporters are in your face with# berniesoblack-#berniesothis&that.

Check it out.. Comment under the article..

Rurik Omnibus · Security Interrogator at ROTN INC.

"Democratic Underground, which bills itself as the preeminent liberal website on the net, might as well change its name to Sandernista Underground: 90% of the posts there are love notes to Bernie, while Hillary supporters are routinely abused and sometimes banned outright".

He has the first part right but I don't think any of Hill supporters have been banned. We do have the gift of another site now for Hillary Supporters to post on.. That's been great getting away from all constant stream of alerts and hides.

Oooops, he doesn't know about the banning of the one who posted a link to a pledge to write in Sanders should he lose the primary!

Anyway, it's speaks to the damage these kind of BS fans have done to Bernie. So many African Americans aren't impressed and looks like they're not even going to vote for him. Think how different it would be if they had never started this shite.

[Skidmore]

154. Excellent article, bravenak.

Heartily recommend that it be read carefully by all and for comprehension. Sometimes being "progressive" is just a label and should be understood as such. In the category of "What is Not Being Said--or Understood" and part of the reason that Sanders and his supporters to caused me to change my mind to not support him after all. A poster told yesterday or the day before that there were no omissions by Sanders. Omissions extend to what is not being understood and, consequently, is not able to be articulated. Blacks and women have given feedback time and again only to be shouted down and told that Sanders has all the answers and we need to talk about the issues. This is an issue itself. Why should people who will not listen or try to understand be trusted as allies? And it is about more than just economic justice. Economic justice means squat in the face of racism and mysogyny.