Bernie Sander's demographic is young,white and male.

[sufrommich]

Today's poll from NYT/CBS show that his demographics have remained unchanged throughout his campaign. So yes, he's at 30 percentage points in polls, but that 30% disproportionately reflects a demographic that doesn't represent the democratic party as a whole.






http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-maintains-lead-among-democrats-cbs-newsny-times-poll/

[pinebox]

1. You forgot "AMONG DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS"

[sufrommich]

6. I literally linked to a democratic primary poll.

[Hepburn]

2. Your point?

[whatchamacallit]

4. +gobs n/t

[sufrommich]

5. I don't know how much clearer I could have made this.

If polls show that a candidate only appeals to one demographic as opposed to a true cross section of democratic voters,that candidate has a big problem in a primary election.

[whatchamacallit]

12. Yes, despite it being posted in some form or another, multiple times a day since May

us Bernie supporters are obviously unaware of this reality and rely on your well-intentioned reminders to keep us informed. Thanks so much.

[sufrommich]

14. You're on a discussion forum webpage, in a sub forum

specifically created for the democratic primary. You're free to ignore threads that don't appeal to you.

[whatchamacallit]

16. There's a divisive exclusivity to these posts that's very alienating

You will probably come to regret this approach if Clinton becomes the nominee.

[sufrommich]

17. What does that even mean? Seriously,if the

trajectories and demographics of the primary campaign are "divisive" then what's the point of having a primary forum?

[whatchamacallit]

18. Everyone is aware of Sanders' problem with this demo

but no one wants to acknowledge the truth of the problem

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=797516

DU Clinton supporters prefer their Mad King Bernie and the White Privilege Army script too much.

[Warren DeMontague]

94. Maybe to talk about what the candidates themselves stand for, instead of their "supporters"?

mmmm, just a thought.

[demwing]

112. Oh stop being disingenuous

You know very well what the complaint is. You disagree? Fine, but don't pretend you didn't understand.

[Le Taz Hot]

13. Interesting

because in my group, young white males are the minority. The catch is, of course, is that many of them are not Democrats so there's that.

[Dawgs]

33. Mine too.

Every Democrat I know (90% Bernie supporters) are over the age of 40.

[Hepburn]

54. Hell, I don't know one under the age of 50!

But...I live in a Seniors development in South Bay, L.A. County. I will say this, tho: By far and by large the seniors in my area are for Bernie and not Hillary. I have a "Bernie 2016" sticker on rear of my car and people are very receptive. The remark usually heard is that he is the "only one" who is for seniors. So far, and by far, most of the remarks about Hillary should not be posted because they use some pretty offensive language.

[MineralMan]

42. I think they do not vote in high percentage numbers, either.

More's the pity.

[redstateblues]

102. Everybody I knew voted for McGovern

and Nixon still won-how was that possible?

[MineralMan]

103. Yes, that illogic is always in evidence.

Maybe we should all expand our circle of acquaintances.

[Cha]

49. It's good they see no "point". I say keep missing the point, ya'll.

Mahalo, su.

[Cosmic Kitten]

3. sample of 418 Democratic primary voters...418

The margin of error for the sample of 418 Democratic primary voters is 6 percentage points.

Talk about unrepresentative...
a poll of *418 Democratic primary voters*
is hardly representative of who will
vote in the next presidential election.

These polls of cherry picked demographics
are a typical example of the pathetic misuse
of polling data.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

9. Unskew the polls! nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

82. Use and misuse of polling data

http://www.scribd.com/doc/289446335/CBS-NYT-poll-Hillary-Clinton-maintains-lead-among-Democrats

Q15. Is your mind made up or is it still too early to say for sure?
Mind made up 49
Too early 50
Don't know/No answer 1

Half of those polled say it's
"too early" to make up their mind.

Skewed enough?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

99. Mitt Romney's folks said the same thing. nt

[Skidmore]

10. So, doesn't that till mean

he winning all 50 states?

[Historic NY]

52. If you don't get past the primary stage it won't matter.....

they polled actual Democrats that will be voting in the Democratic primary.. I didn't see anywhere where it claims general election..

[Cosmic Kitten]

75. NO, They polled people who reported they HAVE voted

no guarantee they will vote again.

And 400 people is laughable

[Gothmog]

7. It will be hard for Sanders to win the Democratic nomination with these demographics

[sufrommich]

8. Yes,it will. nt

[bunnies]

11. Under 45 is "young"?

[NCTraveler]

19. Exactly. Pary time for us!!!!! nt.

[bunnies]

21. Hell yeah!

I havent been called young in years!

[NCTraveler]

23. This is one aspect I think all sides can agree on.

At their age they are both amazing. Not just amazing but at the top of their games. Speaking only for myself, they have me by close to thirty years and I would be crying at home every night if I had to keep up with them.

[bunnies]

24. youre not kidding!

Im 42 and there is no way in hell I could run around the country like they are. If I am half as ambitious or intelligent as they are 30 years from now, I think I deserve a trophy. A BIG one.

[HubertHeaver]

44. If you're >65, yes, it is.

[bunnies]

46. So its relative?

Hey! Dont rain on my parade!

[HubertHeaver]

48. I can't help it.

I'm heavily into furosemide so I'm raining everywhere.

[bunnies]

50. !

<----- grabs raincoat. You win!

[HubertHeaver]

76. LOL!

[Warren DeMontague]

91. On DU it's basically an infant.

[bunnies]

101. ....

First thing Ive looked at on DU this AM. You just made my morning.

[Armstead]

15. Get off my lawn

Young punks

(BTW I'm a 63 year old white male and I support him too,)

[Cali_Democrat]

20. I could have told you that...without even reading this poll!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. Do you think that women prefer Clinton because she's a woman?

Do you think men prefer Sanders because he's a man?

I'm a White male who voted for a woman for president in 2012. But, it wasn't because of her gender.

[RobertEarl]

25. Obvious why young men want Bernie

Because they are the ones who get drafted and fight wars. In Bernie they see that there is a much better chance they will not have to fight in a war.

Selfish? Or just plain smart?

[sufrommich]

27. The last "young man" to get drafted is in his

late 50s now. I doubt that a draft is even on their radar.

[RobertEarl]

31. You're not male, are you?

If not you never even had to think about it. Men are forced to sign into selective service at 18. But you wouldn't have a clue about that, would you?

[sufrommich]

34. I'm not going to play into your attempt at deflection.

Sander's percentages regarding demographics are literally unchanged from the beginning of his campaign. If you think it's because young,white men fear the draft,so be it.

[RobertEarl]

36. Yeah, because I was one

And saw the damage done to my friends by the warmongers who sent them to their war.

You remind me of Barabara Bush: ""Why should I bother my beautiful mind thinking about such things""

[Warren DeMontague]

93. His name has an S at the end of it, so the proper usage is "Sanders's"

This is a Sander:

[MineralMan]

37. I am a man, though. And I'm old enough to remember the draft.

I had dropped out of college for a while and knew my draft notice would be coming, since I gave up my student deferment. So, I went to the local USAF recruiting office and talked to the recruiter there. I took the enlistment test, which I aced. I told him I had no intention of enlisting unless I got drafted.

He said, "No problem. When you get your notice to appear for a physical, come back here. I'll have you in the Air Force the next day."

I did get it and he did what he said he'd do. I ended up getting sent to Russian Language School at Syracuse University and doing interesting things during my four year enlistment.

For that, I was called a "Draft Dodger." I enlisted for four years, 1965-69, rather than being drafted for two. That was my bargain.

So, I know about the draft. Young men today aren't worried about being drafted. Warfare is increasingly being done by remote control, and there are plenty of volunteers willing to join the military. There's no need for a draft in the foreseeable future. It's not something that's on young men's minds. Yes, they have to register at 18. That's it. Wars today don't need draftees.

[RobertEarl]

39. Thank gawd

I am sure all the young men are just jumping with joy knowing that MM has declared they don't have to worry about being drafted or ever being in a war because war is sophisticated now and no one ever gets hurt.

Do you listen to yourself? Don't you get it that young men hate war, want nothing to do with it, and they reject warmongers like Hillary?

[MineralMan]

40. Thanks for sharing your opinion with me.

[RobertEarl]

43. Do you?

Do you actually read what you write?

I know a few Vietnam vets who went there and fought for the country and lived in the midst of the slaughter. Is it any wonder why those vets also reject Hillary?

[okasha]

83. Okay, I'm going to ask you a question.

I'very asked it three or four times of Sanders supporters who call Hillary Clinton a warmonger and hold her responsible for the war in Iraq. None of them has had the guts to answer. Let's see if you do.

Do you hold George McGovern responsible for the war in Vietnam?

[RobertEarl]

100. They are all to blame

Some more than others. Vietnam was started slowly and JFK is said to have wanted to end it. McGovern wanted it to end and others wanted to keep fighting.

Hillary supported bush. Half the Democrats did not, and I am damn proud of the fact that half our Dems were not warmongers!

[redstateblues]

106. People who voted for Nader in FL share

some of the responsibility for the Iraq war by helping W the warmonger win.

[okasha]

107. Not responsive.

That was a yes or no question. Who are the "all" you refer to?

[Number23]

45. Not to mention that Hillary is still leading men according to this poll

So makes the whole "draft" conversation that much stranger.

[RobertEarl]

53. Strange about the draft?

You must not be a man who never was subjected to a draft.

The young men saw who voted to send young men to Iraq, and it wasn't Bernie.

[Number23]

56. The point is that you keep screaming that men want Sanders because Hillary is a

"warmonger" and the point is that men are still supporting Hillary in higher numbers making your assertions that much more fact-free and unsupported.

[RobertEarl]

57. I am a man

I know what young men think about. You think I am wrong? Well, tell me why you think so.

*crickets*?

[Number23]

58. You're alot of things. And right now your pointless attempts to goad are unintentionally hilarious

*crickets*?

[RobertEarl]

60. Gawd, worse than crickets from you

I asked you why you think I am wrong about why young males favor Bernie and you come back with my goading you? Crickets would have made you look smarter.

[Number23]

61. Get a cricket to read that chart for you. Then maybe he'll help you understand that men are still

favoring Hillary over Bernie which is why -- AGAIN -- your comments are fact free and unsupported. And no amount of third grade attempts at insults is going to change that.

[RobertEarl]

62. Men are, at this point favoring Hillary

But young men, as per the OP, are favoring Bernie. Why do you think the young men favor Bernie?

I would guess that old men favor Hillary because they are just dumb?

[Number23]

63. There is nothing in this OP about "young men favoring Bernie" beyond your own fevered

and inaccurate posts.

I would guess that old men favor Hillary because they are just dumb?

Proving that age old saying about choosing who you discuss things with. Probably why I never post to you...

Done here. Thanks for this exercise in complete and utter time wasting.

[RobertEarl]

64. I didn't realize you had reading problems

Sorry about that.

OP: Bernie Sander's demographic is young, white and male. It's actually there, in the graphic, but one does need to be able to read it. So, you're just gonna have to trust me.... and the OP, who stated: "Bernie Sander's demographic is young, white and male."


So, why is it you think young white males are Bernie's demographic?

[Number23]

67. Where in the graphic? Here, I'll help

Here is the graphic. Where does it say that Bernie's support is coming from young men? Show me ANYWHERE on this chart that what I'm saying, that Hillary has stronger support from men than Bernie, is untrue?

Here is my first post in this thread which was in response to Mineral Man (not to you) where I noted that Hillary had higher support from men than Bernie http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=799578

Did the title of this OP dazzle you so much that you are no longer able to read and understand simple charts now?

[RobertEarl]

69. You're serious? Hooboy

First line: Men favor Hillary 46-41

Third line: 18-45 years of age favor Bernie 46-40

Read between the lines. Young men favor Bernie! Hey!! So do young women!!

I get it takes some skill to read it. The OP and everyone else gets it. You're just gonna have to trust us?

[Number23]

72. You are HILARIOUS!!! I don't know what "lines" you're reading between but nothing you are writing

makes a bit of sense. Those are some serious "blurred lines" you're trying to read from and doing exceptionally poorly.

If Hillary is winning men -- which she is -- then men are NOT Sanders' demographic. That's exactly like trying to say that non-whites are Sanders' demographics when she is wiping the floor with him with this group.

Sounds like you need to give it a rest. Go sleep it off.

[RobertEarl]

73. Heh

I feel your pain.

Young people will not vote much for a warmonger. Nor someone who likes to throw them in jails. They see Hillary as doing both, so she ain't getting much support. Less and less everyday. Bernie will win, because young people want real change.

[Number23]

74. Plenty of other polls say plenty of other things. The youth vote is as up for grabs as everything

else.

Good night, dear. Hope you get alot of good, DEEP rest.

[giftedgirl77]

104. Your post is utter nonsense.

As a mother of a 17 & 13 yr old son's I can tell you that none of them think about the selective service & they have to sign the paperwork at 15 when they get their permits saying they understand they will be enrolled at 18. My house is flooded with young men graduating high school this year & none of them give a shit about it.

This comes from kid's whose both parents were deployed regularly to multiple combat zones. A draft isn't something that is even considered ever.

[RobertEarl]

105. Thank you for the kind reply: NOT

Young people as a whole are against war. They hate that all that money goes to bombs and not education, and only an idiot would think the world is a safe place to grow up in given all the weapons of mass destruction waiting to be launched in minutes.

That's why Bernie has so much support from the young, he represents a real change from the current dead end policies.

[giftedgirl77]

108. Umm, you can be against war without being "worried "

about being drafted because of selective services as you previously claimed. Young ppl are worried about a lot of things depending on where you live & what color your skin is. My kid's have to worry about just surviving bc of the rampant racism in this country irregardless of our social status. They will be able to go to college completely free & neither has any intention of getting anywhere near the armed forces. But survival is their top priority unlike the young white male.

[Fumesucker]

28. Oh but we only fight wars with volunteers now

And young women can volunteer right along with the young men.

Equal opportunity to kill people and break shit for corporate profit.

[Stargazer99]

29. Smart these young ones are-I am happy they are there

now just how the rich old white men (who never see the front lines of war along with their well protected offspring) of the Republican party can minimize the vote of those who must deal with the selfishness and self-centeredness of the well to do. I am sick of the powerful and rich.

[RobertEarl]

32. Me too

The main opposition to a healthy planet and a more peaceful world are old rich white guys. And a few of their wives.

[treestar]

96. oh bs. what young man would admit to that?

most young men are afraid of being called cowards, far more afraid of that than of getting killed in a war. That's the whole problem with our society and most other societies. The cause of all the wars, fights, and male violence in the world.

[Stargazer99]

26. 74 yrs old, part native American and screwed by the system

is voting for Sanders, to hell with the idea that getting a woman president takes first consideration over getting the rotten crap out of our nation.

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. guess you are not a Woman

bet you would feel different if it were a Native American on that ticket...

[Stargazer99]

65. I am female and part Native American and voting for Sanders is the only sane thing to do if you are

one of the "lower" class.

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. So am I....

We have had enough men.....a woman can do a better job....she is a warrior....he has no record against Republicans...she has stood up to them and faced them down 30 years....Sanders telegraphs his punches.

You have to be cagey and crafty....he just isnt that...it will be a bare knuckle fight...and she is ready for battle.He is a lover not a scrapper.

[polly7]

80. umm ........ 'cagey and crafty' doesn't really promote a flattering picture of anyone.

What's wrong with honesty and being direct?

[Hepburn]

59. +1,000

[darkangel218]

78. +1 million

[Autumn]

30. Except for this old Latina and her younger, middle age and older men and women family members

and many of them are not democrats and they support Bernie. I think there are many of us that aren't counted in your poll.

[Agnosticsherbet]

38. A revolution among the youth that only wins 46% plurality of the

Youth demographic is unlikely to succede.

[lumberjack_jeff]

41. Improving our prospects among men is a good thing. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

47. Last month it was OLD white and male

lol

[Go Vols]

71. lol

yes it was.

[tularetom]

51. So you're saying that a Democratic candidate can write off the young white male demographic

And still prevail in the general election.

Good luck with that.

[Romulox]

55. Oh noes! Young White Males aren't voting for the Conservative Democrat!!!!! nt

[Electric Monk]

68. When I read threads like this, I feel like I'm expected to apologize for fitting the demographic.

Is that your point?

[Kalidurga]

77. No they just want you to shut up and sit down.

Some animals apparently are more equal to others.

[AngryAmish]

70. That is a problematic demographic.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

79. I'm old, white and female

and I support Bernie. So do all the other old women I know.

[redwitch]

81. He has me too! Old, white, female.

I do have freckles and am a ginger ( and therefore have no soul) so I don't know if there is a separate category for people like me.

[mike_c]

84. well, I'm white and I'm male...

...but I'd be lying if I said I was young!

[cantbeserious]

85. Old White Male - Bernie Supporter - Guess These Demographics Are Not Always Accurate

eom

[Art_from_Ark]

86. Well I remember hearing the nightly body counts on TV during the Vietnam War

Does that make me old?

[cantbeserious]

87. Same Here - Very Young At Heart - Identify More With The New Millennials Than Others

eom

[Art_from_Ark]

89. I can relate to that

I still prefer Mad Magazine to Modern Maturity

[treestar]

97. it's still accurate

you're simply in a minority.

I love all these posts who say statistics have to be wrong because I or my friends are in the minority.

Gee I don't have AIDS, and I don't know anyone who does, so that must mean no one has it and it's not a problem.

[TBF]

88. Middle aged white woman -

add that to the stats.

[Hiraeth]

90. Ryan Gosling called and said:

[Warren DeMontague]

92. Actually, it should be young, white, OR male.

There is no sub breakdown for race or age under the age breakdown, etc.

Without further statistics you can't make assertions beyond the general trend. We don't know if Millennials favor Sanders equally as per gender, or not, etc.

[Scuba]

95. Nice to learn that I'm young.

[mmonk]

98. The same for Obama in 2008 when he started.

[tabasco]

109. I feel much YOUNGER today.

Thanks Bernie.

[Myrina]

110. I guess I didn't get that memo.

I'm old, white and female. #FeelTheBern

[William769]

111. Kick & highly recommended!

And oh so true!