Using a picture of a grieving woman lying on the grave of her loved one....

[trumad]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Spazito (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

to pimp your fucking candidate is fucking gutter horseshit.

Yeah I see what you did there ....

Fucking shameless shit!

[chillfactor]

1. please explain...

I have no idea what you are referring to....

[trumad]

2. Check the front page

[SCantiGOP]

75. I agree 100%

There are many posters here who don't realize that they are probably hurting their cause and their candidate with this type of crap.
In one thread I even asked if maybe they were actually working for the other side, meaning the other Dem candidate. They managed to turn that into an alert saying I was accusing people of being Republicans and got my post hidden on a 4-3 vote.
I've been here almost 15 years and used to have 2-3 people in Ignore; now it's more like 30-40.

[Skittles]

72. someone posted a link with pictures that resulted from the Iraq war

people who think we should just forget that ever happened or that anyone who ever voted FOR it should be given a pass get very upset over such silly details

they're like gun humpers who give Sandy Hook a pass but get upset over penis jokes

[whatchamacallit]

3. I fail to see how it's much different than flag-draped coffin pictures used against Bush

[Dem2]

6. Hillary = Bush

Got it.

[whatchamacallit]

12. No, but if we use pictures to take bush to task for Iraq

other complicit politicians deserve the same.

[Dem2]

18. Didn't seem all that pressing until the primary season

Interesting, that.

[whatchamacallit]

21. To some of us it's ALWAYS been pressing

It's one of the main reasons some democrats can't support Hillary.

[Dem2]

24. It's a good reason, no doubt

But there are limits to the 'special effects' and vitriol required to make one's point.

[Skittles]

87. WHY?

WHY CAN'T THE RESULTS BE SHOWN?

the results of the worst foreign policy blunder in American history are STILL being felt (ISIS, ANYONE)? WHY CAN'T THEY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE???

[saturnsring]

47. dems who cant support dems arent really dems and shouldnt call themselves that

[whatchamacallit]

53. Lol

Brilliant! So dems just gotta support dems... no matter what they do.

[saturnsring]

54. youre not much of a dem voting for cons or throwing your vote away on the green or libertarian

pols. are you? and by support I mean vote for.

[passiveporcupine]

85. We're still in the primaries

It's not time to vote yet. So now is absolutely the appropriate time to show why we support some dems and not others.

[Skittles]

88. and then they make fun of teabaggers for doing the same thing

yup

[saturnsring]

121. yup and look at the gains they have made

[SammyWinstonJack]

116. Oh boy

[Skittles]

82. I have been disgusted by anyone who voted for IWR since it happened

and I have referenced that many times over the years, as have LOTS of DUers

[ibegurpard]

93. Well I guess you weren't around

When it actually happened. Or during the 2008 primaries.

[AgingAmerican]

124. Wrong

It has been pressing for years.

[yardwork]

40. And the complicity is identical, of course.

One vote in the Senate is totally equal to letting the country be attacked and starting two wars. Got it.

[George II]

59. Remember, the "other" candidate consistently voted to buy weapons for that war.

[Ed Suspicious]

66. What? grieving woman = flag-draped coffin is what you must have meant.

[Skittles]

91. this is what upsets them

someone voting for that piece of SHIT war, not so much

[Ed Suspicious]

95. War upsets me very much. I'm also very upset by false dichotomies used to shield the reputation of

those responsible for the shit war.

[deutsey]

126. God, I remember when I first saw that

[Sheepshank]

7. attempting to justify the unsupportable

typical.....and predictable

[whatchamacallit]

15. Ignoring the tragedy of the IWR

typical.....and predictable

[Sheepshank]

61. what makes you think I ignored anything?

Did you read that somewhere. Have I ever said that on any post in the past. Why would you support politicizing someones very personal pain just to score some points for a politician?

Silly but typical of the assumptions you tend to make thinking you are about to land a zinger. Fail.

[whatchamacallit]

71. Give me a break

Some of you guys have tried to lay all US gun deaths at Bernie's doorstep.

[George II]

57. Of course not, it's an anti-Clinton OP.

[Dem2]

4. I noted that was edited in after the fact

for effect once traction was noted.

LOOK AT ME!!!!!!

[trumad]

9. On my phone and I can't see edits.

You got to be fucking kidding?

[Dem2]

13. It was 'enhanced' more than once

as the upvotes started building. I did just want to make a statement or two about the vote and noted the changes each time.

[merrily]

104. That affects the Iraq war dead, wounded and displaced how?

[MannyGoldstein]

114. It changes everything.

Why can't you see that?

[merrily]

123. Dunno. Maybe because no one has Hillaryfansplained it to me yet?

[Sheepshank]

5. 100% correct

it's really quite sick.

[UglyGreed]

8. Ok how about

this. Maybe we should see this angle of the destruction we cause as a nation.

https://www.google.com/search?q=dead+iraqi+civilians&biw=1280&bih=637&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI9d-41KiOyQIVh7YaCh2vMAOB

[trumad]

17. How about Bernies support of the military.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

[UglyGreed]

27. Never saw Bernie

gloat about death....

[sulphurdunn]

105. And the consequences?

[Ned_Devine]

135. This clip is so creepy and ghoulish. If a GOP did this, we'd be disgusted

[TM99]

10. What is fucking shameless shit

is the lengths to which Clinton supporters will go to distance themselves from the stark truth that Clinton not only voted for the war, she cheerleadered for it.

She, among many pols, bear the responsibility for grieving family members all over the US who lost loved ones in Iraq.

It must really suck to be on the wrong side of history.

[trumad]

14. You do realize that Bernie has a history of voting for military shit as well

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

[TM99]

20. Kosovo & going after the actual

perps of 9/11 in Afghanistan do not compare to the clusterfuck that was the acceptance of the neocon vision for the Iraq invasion.

And you bet your sweet ass, I support him supporting our troops once opportunistic pols put them in vile situations like the Iraq War.

[trumad]

25. Oh how fucking convieniant ...

[TM99]

30. Not at all.

Kosovo was a limited military action with UN support.

Afghanistan initially was a limited military action with UN support to get the perps of 9/11.

Nothing about the Iraq War was just, right, or appropriate. It was a major invasion of a sovereign nation. We did not have UN support. There were never any WMD's. Iraq was not responsible in any way, shape, or form for 9/11.

Sorry, your candidate voted and pimped it because she either agreed with the neocon Bush admin, she was naive and ignorant, or she did it for political expediency. Every one of those choices shows she is NOT qualified to be the Commander in Chief of this nation.

[ybbor]

129. This ^^^^

[saturnsring]

50. it's ok if MY candidate does it cause no one died in that, amiright

[TM99]

58. Not at all.

However, it is important to compare context and the actual situations & outcomes.

Kosovo, by all accords, was a limited engagement that achieved the goals set forth for it. UN support was granted. Genocide was stopped, and the causalities were far more limited. Planning and foresight abounded, and the positive outcomes that were predicted occurred.

Iraq, by all accords, was a massive invasion that not only did not achieve a single goal but caused untold atrocities on both sides. No perps of 9/11 were found there or brought to justice. There were no WMD. The causalities were astounding from our military to the 100,000's dead in the civilian population. The military was not prepared. Soldiers received inadequate resources and stop-gaps became a way of life. I know fellow vets who served so many tours of duty in Iraq that they will never be sane again. The horror & destruction they witnessed is astounding. These negative consequences were predicted and some were smart enough and honorable enough to speak out before this unsanctioned invasion occurred.

Yes, my candidate showed wise judgement and rational moderation in both instances.

Your candidate was either snookered by Bush, believed in Bush's neocon agenda, or beat the drums of war for political expediency. None of those show sound judgement and should completely disqualify her as Commander in Chief.

I don't want a Dove for president, however, I also don't want a stupid, opportunistic, and neocon hawk either.

[saturnsring]

67. good thing we dont have one running

[Buzz Clik]

100. How's Afghanistan working out for us? The anti-clusterfuck, right?

[MissDeeds]

31. +1

Another inconvenient truth.

[R B Garr]

78. I have to laugh at Ross Perot voters who talk

about the wrong side of history.

[Buzz Clik]

97. Oh, man.

Thank you for epitomizing your clan and the hard-edged, judgmental "I'm better than you" divisiveness that has come to characterize the supporters of Sanders here at DU.

I really like Bernie, but I cannot stomach the shamelessness of his supporters here.

Voting for Clinton would require me to hold my nose and search my soul for justification. But the DU Sanders crowd makes me think twice about this primary season. Gratefully, I can easily rise about the hate and view Sanders without the feces-stained lens provided by the locals.

[Romulox]

11. Voting for a War of Choice to burnish your Presidential ambitions is orders of magnitude worse. nt

[ibegurpard]

16. She owns it

Along with the rest of the spineless cowards who voted to send that person off for political reasons.

[trumad]

19. Does Bernie own anything?

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

[beam me up scottie]

42. I'm glad he voted to stop the genocide, why aren't you?

[TM99]

22. You throw that around like you think it will change the facts

of what Clinton did and what Clinton owns.

It does not.

[trumad]

29. I throw it around because Bernie is a Hawk!

[TM99]

32. Now you are just pulling shit out of your ass.

Sanders is not a hawk.

Clinton is. Period.

[Ed Suspicious]

70. Baseless. Conservative style projection.

[BlueCheese]

23. The Ignore feature is a nice one.

[AgingAmerican]

26. They want to rug sweep the Iraq war

Pointing out the reality of war is off limits, according to Neocons and Hillary supporters.

[NCTraveler]

28. You didn't hear?

The F-35 was designed to shoot dandelions.

Seriously, it's nothing more than Paul fans taking the blame away from Bush. This is why history will speak highly of him. It's being rewritten before our eyes.

[JoePhilly]

33. YUP ... I expect the RW to use dead American troops as props ...

... that's what they do ... but now we're seeing some of DU's self-proclaimed High Priests of Liberalism use dead American troops as props.

So it must be ok now.

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. Struck a nerve?

Good.

[freshwest]

35. Visiting Freeperville again? Those pics are used by 'patriots' to promote lockstep militarism.

I know you've braved the waters over there to bring us tidbits of schadenfraude, but it's not worth getting exercised about. Have a good holiday with your family, Trumad. We're all getting older and we got to make these days good ones.

[beam me up scottie]

41. Oh please, those pictures were posted on DU2 endlessly by those of us who objected to the war.

[polly7]

45. I posted a lot of them myself.

I have a folder containing probably hundreds. None were hidden .. I wasn't called anything here for posting them, no-one had a problem with them except for expressing anger it was happening, sadness and sympathy. Not sure why they're offensive now.

[beam me up scottie]

46. Exactly, why are they trying to hide the horrors of that war now?

And they are ongoing, the damage didn't end because we pulled out of Iraq.

[polly7]

49. You're right, it sure hasn't ended.

And I don't think the photos of the suffering should be hidden, anywhere ....... for anyone. Those photos just show the horrible reality - it is what it is.

[FiveGoodMen]

36. Yeah, because what a candidate would DO with the power they are seeking

has nothing to do with a political discussion.

Welcome to ignore.

And shame on you.

[Indepatriot]

37. Seems perfectly reasonable when the opponent makes off the cuff statements like this...

/

[Ed Suspicious]

77. That is fucking sick! What kind of talk is that?

[MohRokTah]

38. I must have that Sanders supporter on ignore

I know I don't see a thread about it and I only have Sanders supporters on ignore.

[marym625]

39. ignoring the reality of the illegal war in Iraq, shameless.

I see what you did here. Ignore the reality and attack the messenger. Typical.

[marble falls]

43. I think you're wrong this time, trumad. And pretty darn close to over the top.

[Bobbie Jo]

44. Yes, and thank you for saying it.

It was thoroughly disgusting.

[MisterP]

48. this one, correct? the one of Mary McHugh completely broken by the loss of her fiance in Iraq

in 2007 in a war that Hillary Clinton, as Senator, voted for while invoking 9-11, the war that all the Dems who supported it legitimated by making it bipartisan, embarking the party on a quest to start liking war again, to think that they could do it RIGHT with "lessons learned" from Iraq, the war that gave us IS (though she also poured money and arms into the Khaleejis funding them back when we liked proto-IS)

the picture that's been repeated 4,490 other times, plus thousands of times more with the post-combat suicides, and a million times over in Iraq itself?
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/jjregan.htm
that picture, right?

[reformist2]

51. Sorry, but war is hell, especially an unjust one - and Hillary voted for it.

[AzDar]

52. She came. She voted. They died.

...and she boasted that she cast her vote ' with conviction'.

Shameless, indeed.

[Vincardog]

55. But remember we can only have nice things to say about democraticv candidates. Please quit

Being divisive.

[George II]

56. No depth low enough for some to stoop these days, but some seem to have free rein to post garbage.

Thanks for mobilizing those disgusted by that post.

[Buzz Clik]

60. +1

The chickenshits banned me from their forum, so I couldn't not say so on their thread.

But, trumad:

[Purveyor]

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[Buzz Clik]

89. Harumph! Thanks for the info.

I imagine the trumad was subjected to an alert or two as well.

[Skittles]

62. sorry, no

excusing the IWR vote is Fucking shameless shit

seriously, IT STINKS

what is it with people who can gloss over that vote AND complain about the display of the direct results of that senseless war?

[yallerdawg]

63. It used to be Bush's war.

Now it's Hillary's?

Not one scrap of credibility left...

[Ed Suspicious]

81. It's Bush's war. Hillary allowed it to happen.

[yallerdawg]

98. Allowed it?

I didn't know Hillary was some kind of all-powerful omnipotent being who could have changed the course of history with that one vote.

Not like Bush could have, anyway.

[Ed Suspicious]

112. Did she vote to authorize the chickenhawk president to go to war in Iraq?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here. It wouldn't be the first time.

[merrily]

119. So much more than merely allowed it. MAYBE you and I allowed it. Hillary actively aided and abetted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=801381

[William769]

64. Kick & highly recommended!

Some people have no shame (and we all know who the some are).

[R B Garr]

65. It is shameless, and there's another word for it...

They revealed their dishonesty about "war" when they overlooked Bernie's drone approval by explaining he would aim them better. Sickening.

[Scuba]

68. Really? You're more offended by the picture than Hillary's vote for the war?

Man, that is beyond sick.

[beam me up scottie]

69. ^^^THIS^^^

[modestybl]

76. You nailed it...

... and more succinctly than anyone else...

[trumad]

80. I'm offended with playing politics with the picture

But hey...BS'ers love it.

[Ed Suspicious]

84. Were you offended when Bush played politics by disallowing photos of flag draped coffins?

[George II]

90. But no offense taken about Sanders' repeated votes for weapons for the war, the drone program....

....the C-35 war plane, etc.?

[beam me up scottie]

94. Bernie voted for the C-35 war plane?

Well that does it, anyone can see how ridiculous that is!

You've convinced me, George, I'm supporting Hillary!

[merrily]

99. All covered upthread. Reading is your friend.

[George II]

107. Sarcasm isn't your's, you swing and miss so often. But my post wasn't directed to you, thank you.

[merrily]

110. Awww. And I get so many compliments, too! Ah, well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, so

I'll keep trying despite your negative review.

You do know that anyone can respond to any post on a message board, even if not "directed" to him or her?

Besides, I thought you'd like to know your points had already been addressed.

[beam me up scottie]

113. Pfft. Don't listen to George!

[merrily]

125. You usually nail metaphors, but Costanza's lines were actually INTENDED to make people laugh.

[beam me up scottie]

128. Well there is another George that uses the same kind of arguments against liberals.

But I don't like posting pictures of him because it's triggers my gag reflex.

[merrily]

130. See? THAT'S how you nail a George metaphor!

[Skittles]

106. yes it is

REPUKE LOGIC, I call it

[MissDeeds]

73. Trying to hide the picture of a grieving woman

lying on the grave of her loved one to protect your warhawk candidate is gutter horse crap.

There. Fixed that for you.

[modestybl]

74. Oh my, HRC folks don't have issues here, do they?

The defensiveness of the HRC crowd is striking. They have all the money, all the political structure, all of the built-in advantages of who their candidate is married to... yet they really do have serious doubts about their candidate... and for good reason. The Iraq War vote WASN'T a mistake. And HRC is lying when she said that it was... it was a cold, calculated, morally indefensible political maneuver. And she refused, even in 2008, to admit that it was wrong. So, not only hideous bad judgement, but fundamental dishonesty.

We should be looking at that photo, and thousands like it, every day and remember those who went along with this travesty.

[trumad]

79. You know he edited the picture in for effect.

Classy

[R B Garr]

86. Which shows the level of desperation

for attention. Very disingenuous, and that's a polite way to put it.

[merrily]

111. And?

[trumad]

117. And...really?

Hey lets throw in a grieving woman for effect.

Way to go BS'ers.

[merrily]

122. Yes, really. The original photo showed the grieving woman. What's your issue with the replacement?

[trumad]

131. Used for political fodder

This vet has huge problems with it!

[merrily]

137. That explains exactly nothing about the original photo vs. the replacement.

[MannyGoldstein]

92. "Why should we hear about body bags and deaths?"

"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"
- Barbara Bush

[R B Garr]

96. Work it!

Is this your grand finale?

[polly7]

101. Exactly.

And I'm still pissed those photos weren't shown on the nightly news every night. Hide the horror ....... makes it all easier to get support for the next one, imho.

[Buzz Clik]

103. Well played, Manny! Let's compared our candidates to the Bush family.

Read the OP, Manny. It fits like a glove.

[lonestarnot]

102. What troubling beautiful minds again?

[treestar]

108. This entire country is responsible

It is horseshit to put it all on Hillary.

[merrily]

115. It's horseshit to equate my responsiblity with hers--unless I fucking vote for her in the primary.

I didn't vote for Bush. I didn't make speeches to help him sell that war. I did not remain silent while I wrote letters of condolence to survivors of fallen troops, knowing my vote had been a "mistake." And, so far, I never voted for anyone who did. I pray to heaven I never have to.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=801381

[polly7]

120. How so? I'm genuinely curious. nt.

[cpwm17]

109. If you don't want the results of aggressive wars supported by your candidate exposed

don't support candidates that support aggressive wars.

[Android3.14]

118. Did she or did she not vote for the lie that killed the loved one?

Pimping her vote was deadly "fucking gutter horseshit".

[pnwmom]

133. Did Bernie or did Bernie not vote twice against the Brady law?

And he voted for the law that overturned gun liability laws in 50 states.

How many deaths was he responsible for, in the same way you accuse Hillary?

[trumad]

134. Did Bernie vote for the money that killed the loved one.

[wyldwolf]

127. Little consolation now but...

... Come March-April we won't have to see such garbage.

[trumad]

132. Oh I can't fucking wait!

[riversedge]

136. It was below the belt and should be taken down.

[Spazito]

138. Locking...

as per the Statement of Purpose for General Discussion: Primaries:

"Disruptive meta-discussion is forbidden."