2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAbsolutely a DAMNING piece---Hillary touted fracking across the globe
and only Bernie Sanders can be trusted to save us from it.
That's what an article on HuffPo is saying.
And is it ever a hard hitting piece!
Hillary Clinton Touted Fracking Across the Globe, and Only Bernie Sanders Can Be Trusted to Save Us From It
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-sainato/hillary-clinton-touted-fr_b_8564764.html
Roh roh......so much for all those environmental concerns. Once again, Big Oil is the #1 concern, screw the people!
But, Hillary is for the people! Right? Not so much. Why is it corruption leads a trail of blood wherever she walks?
Spin, spin, spin, paying lip service is lip service.
You can't see me!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Nothing!!!!
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Florida Atlantic University Clinton 66, Sanders 22, O'Malley 4 Clinton +44
Colorado Democratic Presidential Caucus Quinnipiac Clinton 55, Sanders 27, O'Malley 2 Clinton +28
Connecticut Democratic Presidential Primary Emerson College Clinton 50, Sanders 31, O'Malley 9 Clinton +19
Clinton continues to surge!
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Being a local I can tell you right now that there is ZERO love for Hillary here. Bernie is all over the news. He has a massive indy backing here as my state swings all over the place and you see a lot of "Republicans for Bernie" signs and bumper stickers here.
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Cal33
(7,018 posts)Bernie 27) are wrong?
I have a feeling that the entire MSM is geared to falsify results in favor of Hillary. I'd also
like to see people like DSW out of the Democratic Establishment. She is the one responsible
for having the 2nd Dem. Primary debate on a Saturday, when many people are out, so that
there would be fewer viewers watching the debate. It's a dirty, unfair trick!!
Will there be other debates also on weekends? If so, let's get on her tail.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)People are going for her because she has the name and the media and polls both say they should.
If she falters in the early states expect that support to erode.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Soft support...
Realistically, most people, even many likely primary voters, don't pay that much attention this early in a presidential race, so when asked who they support, they will likely go with the known name.
I expect to see substantial shifts in the polls after the first of the year.
senz
(11,945 posts)Don't you care what your candidate has been doing? Don't you care what she would do if elected?
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)that article is from a Bernie supporter. has a lot of innuendo and a reference to a secret document that THEY say says the state dept pushed for fracking during her tenure. but no real evidence and nothing out of Hillary's own mouth which ,my guess is, you already determined to be a lie.
but to answer your question, of course I care
MattSh
(3,714 posts)which is quite well documented, wait for her position to evolve flip-flop to one that she thinks might help her election bid, then watch it evolve flip-flop back to her prior position as soon as she wins drops out.
Gotcha. What could possibly go wrong there?
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Odd that she an Carly Fiorina would both have something to do with an "HP."
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)and ignore that your candidate is in the pockets of big oil.
Facts are sticklers aren't they?
I'm sorry you aren't concerned about money in politics and environmental issues. The Jeb! camp is over there.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Says a lot...and none of it is good. If the process is OK, then IMO defend it. But just blowing it off...does not say much about the support of the candidate they have selected.
JMHO
artislife
(9,497 posts)Only extremists. .or people who actually give a f*ck about the environment.
I used to think those who didn't were RW.. nuts but this site proves otherwise.
Thanks pine box for caring. .There are so few of us.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Geez, this like every other BS smear has been recycled a dozen times.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Thank gawd the primary will be over by March 1 and they will be gone.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)other profiteers for a drink of fresh clean water. The mantra of all libertarians, every human need must provide a profit for those few at the top and no employer should be forced to pay a living wage to any worker to pay.
Starvation and early death to the many so the few can have it all.
It's only damning for those that are unsophisticated. Fracking "across the globe" means getting rid of the hammer of Russian oil.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Jeez I swear you're a Republican.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Here is a balanced article on fracking. And there is no evidence that we are poisoning water supplies. No collection of energy is perfect, but you are flatly ignoring how Russian oil puts eastern European countries under the thumb of Russia. It is certainly preferable for them to gain more energy independence from Russia by fracking than to continue under their thumb. It is in fact the much lesser of two evils.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/g161/top-10-myths-about-natural-gas-drilling-6386593/
pinebox
(5,761 posts)And maybe you should.
Go watch Gasland.
Who's side are YOU on again?
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/jeb-bushs-private-investments-in-fracking-dovetail-with-public-advocacy/2218495
The Bush family has been in the energy business for decades, at least since 1950 when 26-year-old future president George H.W. Bush helped found the Bush-Overbey Oil Development Co. with financial support from his dad, U.S. Sen. Prescott Bush of Connecticut. President George W. Bush also worked in the oil and gas business, though he made his fortune with an investment in the Texas Rangers baseball team.
Similarly, fracking is not just a Jeb Bush investment, but also a Jeb Bush family affair.
Son George P. Bush, 38, was elected Texas land commissioner last year, two years after helping found Fort Worth-based FracStar Logistics, providing sand for fracking. One of FracStar's managing partners is Coral Gables-based De Soto Partners, which is co-owned by Jeb Bush and 31-year-old Jeb Bush Jr. FracStar has been renamed Proforce Energy Services.
Jeb Bush's private equity group, Britton Hill Holdings, was established in May 2013, but his entry into the fracking boom and private equity business wasn't publicly revealed until June 2014, when it triggered a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filing for managing more than $100 million.
By then, Bush was looking increasingly like he would run for president.
The filing showed that the pooled investment fund had raised $40.4 million from 37 investors. Bush is chairman of Britton Hill, named after the highest point in Florida and based out of his office at the Biltmore Hotel in Coral Gables. His partners include former Lehman Brothers banker Amar Bajpai, former natural gas trader David Savett and private equity executive Ross Rodrigues. Bajpai is now on the board of Inflection Energy, the Denver company he and Bush invested in.
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/new-science-shows-fracking-contaminates-groundwater-yet-epa-still-muzzled-industry-pressure/
A new study has found that shale drilling and fracking contaminated drinking water wells in Pennsylvania. The study represents the first peer-reviewed paper confirming that fracking can and does contaminate drinking water supplies.
The study discovered that the whitish foam seeping from the faucets and hoses in Bradford county homes was the drilling chemical 2-BE a foaming agent known to cause tumors in rodents. The fracking industry contaminant was present in drinking water wells closest to Chesapeake Energy shale operations.
Residents of Bradford have been complaining about contaminated water since Chesapeake Energy began drilling in 2009. Bradford is now the most fracked county in Pennsylvania, and Chesapeake is the largest lease holder. While Chesapeake has never admitted responsibility for water contamination, the company has paid millions in settlements to Bradford residents since 2011.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Those videos you posted - lookie here from the article you ignored (because you don't want to educate yourself)
You know what's hilarious is that you can't figure out that fracking allows methane to contaminate water supplies.
It's ok though, keep supporting an ideology which does harm to the planet. That's a great way to support your candidate and speaks volumes!
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/22/3582904/methane-leaks-climate-benefit-fracking/
Derp.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22118583/colo-officials-question-link-fracking-waste-disposal-quakes
Have fun. Keep up your Republican support.
More?
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/colorado/history.php
In 1961, a 12,000-foot well was drilled at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal, northeast of Denver, for disposing of waste fluids from Arsenal operations. Injection was commenced March 1962, and an unusual series of earthquakes erupted in the area shortly after.
It was 32 minutes after 4 a.m. on April 24 when the first shock of the Denver series was recorded at the Cecil H. Green Geophysical Observatory at Bergen Park, Colorado. Rated magnitude 1.5, it was not strong enough to be felt by area residents. By the end of December 1962, 190 earthquakes had occurred. Several were felt, but none caused damage until the window breaker that surprised Dupont and Irondale on the night of December 4. The shock shuffled furniture around in homes, and left electrical wall outlets hanging by their wires at Irondale.
Over 1,300 earthquakes were recorded at Bergen Park between January 1963 and August 9, 1967. Three shocks in 1965 -- February 16, September 29, and November 20 -- caused intensity VI damage in Commerce City and environs.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Unless you want to explain why it's better for eastern European countries to be beholden to Russia for oil.
Have a nice day.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)What's better for Eastern Europe?
How about this for a start.
#sorrynotsorry
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Are you going to volunteer to buy them all electric cars they can't afford. Also, how do that use that heat their homes? Do tell.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)going up. Fossil fuels will run out some day any way, and people will have to us solar
and wind energy. It is already late now, and will be definitely too late by then.
About heating homes: You apparently have never heard of - much less bought - an
electric heater?
www.telegraph.co.uk/ news/ worldnews/ northamerica/ 11932421/ More-than-400-towns-and-cities-in-America-will-be-lost-to-the-sea-stu dy-finds.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ news/ worldnews/ northamerica/ 11932421/
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)"The country suffered a difficult start to 2009, after gas supplies were cut in the Russia-Ukraine gas dispute. Industrial output suffered, as well as public services, exposing Bulgaria's overdependence on Russian raw materials. The global financial crisis started to apply downward pressure on growth and employment in the last quarter of 2008. The real estate market, although not plummeting, ground to a halt and growth is expected to be significantly lower in the short-to-medium run.
During the course of 2009, the grim forecasts for the effects of the global crisis on the Bulgarian economy largely materialized. Although suffering less than the worst-hit countries, Bulgaria recorded its worst economic results since the 1997 meltdown. GDP shrank by around 5% and unemployment jumped. Consumer spending and foreign investment dropped dramatically and depressed growth in 2010 to 0.3%. Unemployment remains consistently high at around 10%."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Bulgaria
Cal33
(7,018 posts)say the opposite.
Just Google: More than 400 towns and cities will be under water from the rising sea.
There are over 100,000 articles. You're still talking about business and jobs. I'm
thinking of perhaps 100 million Americans who will have to move inland to higher
ground --just to survive! Think of the problems then!!!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)They will never read enough to be able to argue this.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Sigh.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)You need help. get some.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And yes, it is elitist to think that people in poor eastern European countries should just whip out $40K for electric cars and $10K to install solar panels.
Do you folks have any clue at all on these issues? Any??
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)rationalize your support for Madame Wall Street any way you need to.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)Eastern Europe should not be beholden to Russia, but to Saudi Arabia and Qatar for energy instead, which is the plan as soon as the moderate rebels ISIS is finished trashing Syria.
That's a much better plan.
But I guess you think overthrowing the Syrian government is about democracy.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)How condescending (typical)
What.... do you work for Exxon?
I'll bet you thought "Clean Coal" was real.
Why isn't she touting solar?
Maybe the sun doesn't shine in Bulgaria.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And the reason I am is because of the baseless smears made against Hillary on this issue. Apparently the extreme left thinks it would be preferable for eastern Europeans to remain under Putin's thumb. How very progressive of you.
Also, where do they magically come up with the money to turn their countries into solar powered? Is that also your solution for poor people here in urban areas? My goodness, the elitism is out of control with the Bernie peeps. It truly is. SMH.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I know!
Let's subsidize them instead of Exxon...which pays no taxes.
Maybe a few less wars for oil would help too.
No amount of education all make fossil fuels not suck.
This is our chance to make the world like us again!
Cal33
(7,018 posts)know that electric heaters exist. And she talks about her critics needing more education!
She's the one who needs more education. I'll bet she never had any classes in physics.
She doesn't seem to have the faintest idea about the subject. Corporate America loves
people like her. They can be so easily fooled.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Remember.... how is electricity generated?
That's fossil fuels too... unless it"s nuclear.
Or wind and solar.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Ichingcarpenter (35,166 posts)
While many people may think groundwater is replenished by rain and melting snow the way lakes and rivers are, underground water is actually renewed much more slowly.
In fact, just six per cent of the groundwater around the world is replenished within a "human lifetime" of 50 years, reports University of Victoria hydrogeologist Tom Gleeson and his collaborators in a new study published in the journal Nature Geoscience today.
That water tends to be mainly found within a few hundred metres of the surface, where it is most vulnerable to being contaminated by pollution or depleted by higher temperatures and reduced rainfall as a result of climate change, the researchers found.
"Groundwater is a super-important resource," Gleeson said in an interview with CBC News. "It's used by more than a third of the world's population every day for their drinking water and it's used by agriculture and industry."
More than a third of the Canadian population relies on groundwater, including the entire population of P.E.I. and some fairly large urban centres such as Kitchener-Waterloo, Cambridge and Guelph in Ontario, Gleeson added.
Because groundwater is so important to billions of people around the world, Gleeson and colleagues at the University of Texas at Austin, the University of Calgary, and the University Gottingen were interested in finding out how much groundwater there is in the world and to get an idea of when it will run out.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/groundwater-study-1.3318137
Fracking............ what a great idea to destroy your
planet.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112793948
WillyT
(72,631 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)countries. And so much for climate change and the wars it will create.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)..... bunch of facts!
...er... I mean .... SMEAR!
Or something....
HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)...enough times.
I'm SO done with the Clintons.
Time to put people and the planet first.
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)This site is redefining what Hyperbole! means.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)And boy has she been bought.
senz
(11,945 posts)To support Hillary, one must be willing to help her sell out healthy life on planet earth so she can get more money and power?
I would resent a candidate who asked that of me.
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)fracking, the terrorists win.
George II
(67,782 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)Yeah.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)It's literally insane.
Anyone who supports fracking is so wrong in so many ways.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, pinebox.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)She's leading in the wrong direction.