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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:46 PM Nov 2015

Absolutely a DAMNING piece---Hillary touted fracking across the globe

and only Bernie Sanders can be trusted to save us from it.
That's what an article on HuffPo is saying.
And is it ever a hard hitting piece!

Hillary Clinton Touted Fracking Across the Globe, and Only Bernie Sanders Can Be Trusted to Save Us From It
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-sainato/hillary-clinton-touted-fr_b_8564764.html

Roh roh......so much for all those environmental concerns. Once again, Big Oil is the #1 concern, screw the people!

In a meeting shortly after with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Bulgarian officials were urged to change their minds, according to Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borissov, offering to "bring the best specialists on these new technologies to present the benefits of the technology to the Bulgarian people."One of those specialists sent was Special U.S. Envoy for Eurasian Energy, Richard Morningstar. According to Mother Jones, Morningstar, "touted the technology in an interview on Bulgarian national radio, saying it could lead to a five-fold drop in the price of natural gas. A few weeks later, Romania's parliament voted down its proposed fracking ban and Bulgaria's eased its moratorium." The publication also claims documents they obtained link U.S. diplomatic officials link to the state department have pushed for fracking around the globe while Hillary Clinton served as Secretary of State.


But, Hillary is for the people! Right? Not so much. Why is it corruption leads a trail of blood wherever she walks?
According to a Wall Street Journal analysis of public and foundation disclosures, at least sixty companies that lobbied the State Department during Hillary Clinton's tenure donated a total of more than $26 million to the Clinton Foundation, including Exxon Mobil, who are currently under investigation by the New York State Attorney General for misleading the public about climate change.


Spin, spin, spin, paying lip service is lip service.
Hillary Clinton has yet to address the issue of fracking during her campaign. She recently vocalized her opposition to Keystone XL and Arctic drilling, but only when it was deemed politically favorable to say so. Her climate agenda remains filled with holes yet to be plugged as Mrs. Clinton awaits other presidential candidates to test out stances before she chooses the one she seeks to gain the most from. Environmentalists should not trust her when it comes to fracking or other issues regarding the livelihood of the environment, as she has proven through her actions with the State Department, Hillary Clinton favors corporate profits over environmental.


You can't see me!
In contrast, Senator Bernie Sanders is completely against fracking. "I'm very proud that the state of Vermont banned fracking," he said in 2014. "I hope communities all over America do the same." Senator Sanders also hasn't been on the fence at all in regards to controversial environmental issues. He has always opposed Keystone XL, Arctic drilling, and an outspoken advocate for climate change initiatives. When it comes to the environment, Senator Bernie Sanders has a much more extensive, honest, and clear record than Hillary Clinton. Any voter who has a penchant for environmentalism in any capacity should take these stark contrasts into consideration when debating between supporting Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.

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Absolutely a DAMNING piece---Hillary touted fracking across the globe (Original Post) pinebox Nov 2015 OP
ok. n/t zappaman Nov 2015 #1
There is nothing Damming about Clinton: Sanders propaganda lewebley3 Nov 2015 #12
Do you have a reliable link that confirms that? Segami Nov 2015 #34
This counrty and GOP have been investigating the Clintons for 30 years or more lewebley3 Nov 2015 #65
Clinton continues to surge saturnsring Nov 2015 #2
Colorado will go Bernie pinebox Nov 2015 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #24
So, Mickey and Pinebox, does this mean that the figures in Message #2 (Hillary 55 and Cal33 Nov 2015 #25
It means she has a lot of soft support. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #33
I think you nailed it... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #63
The OP is about Clinton pushing fracking -- not a damn horserace. senz Nov 2015 #45
"Hillary Clinton has yet to address the issue of fracking during her campaign" per the article saturnsring Nov 2015 #51
So, ignore her past history... MattSh Nov 2015 #59
hmmmm where have i heard of politicians being vilified as flip-floppers saturnsring Nov 2015 #61
How dare you 'smear' Her Presumptiveness!! 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #3
Oh, I like that one better than HRH! Fawke Em Nov 2015 #6
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz leftofcool Nov 2015 #5
Ya go ahead and sleep pinebox Nov 2015 #7
Wow...that response that you replied to? Hepburn Nov 2015 #17
Who cares about ground water? artislife Nov 2015 #46
I know, right? MaggieD Nov 2015 #14
Facts are now smears? Bwahahaahha! pinebox Nov 2015 #20
This crap gets posted at least once a day. leftofcool Nov 2015 #50
Seems like Hillary is fine with polllution of the ground water so we all have to pay Nestle' and Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #8
LOL! MaggieD Nov 2015 #9
Ya because poisoning water supplies is a legit alternative, amiright? pinebox Nov 2015 #11
You really need to educate yourself MaggieD Nov 2015 #13
I already am pinebox Nov 2015 #15
LMAO - you should have read the linked article before embarassing yourself MaggieD Nov 2015 #16
try this pinebox Nov 2015 #18
Nah, you're out of tries MaggieD Nov 2015 #21
You're out of reality pinebox Nov 2015 #22
Your elitism is showing MaggieD Nov 2015 #23
That's right, just keep on using fossil fuels, and the temperature on earth will keep on Cal33 Nov 2015 #28
Again you need to educate yourself MaggieD Nov 2015 #30
Your information seems to have all come from Big Business Corporations. Scientists Cal33 Nov 2015 #37
You might as well be talking to the floor. leftofcool Nov 2015 #52
Yes, it does appear to be a waste of time MaggieD Nov 2015 #54
Now opposition to poisoning our air, and supporting clean energy is ELITISM?!!!! Indepatriot Nov 2015 #38
You need some helping learning how not to be rude MaggieD Nov 2015 #40
So let's see...I'm a clueless elitist, but it's me whose rude..... sounds logical.... Indepatriot Nov 2015 #58
When you're right, you're right! MattSh Nov 2015 #60
You really need to educate yourself AlbertCat Nov 2015 #31
I am educated about this MaggieD Nov 2015 #39
Also, where do they magically come up with the money to turn their countries into solar powered? AlbertCat Nov 2015 #57
She's worried about there would be no heating if fossil fuel were not used. She doesn't even Cal33 Nov 2015 #41
electric heaters exist AlbertCat Nov 2015 #56
Yup artislife Nov 2015 #47
Groundwater is mostly non-renewable, study finds polly7 Nov 2015 #10
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #19
"no, she's the only Democratic candidate and thus the only non-oil candidate" MisterP Nov 2015 #26
Fracking across the globe. So much for the poor of other jwirr Nov 2015 #27
What a horrible.... AlbertCat Nov 2015 #29
Cannot rec this post...... HeartoftheMidwest Nov 2015 #32
Congrats to DU SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #35
I'm wondering how many historic brick buildings are going to fall as a result of the quakes. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #36
Yes. The connection between fracking and earthquake frequency has been proven. senz Nov 2015 #49
Great post, to see so called lefties preach the joys of fracking here is fucking nuts. nt. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #42
Hard to really know Clinton's positions, they change so frequently as she evolves EndElectoral Nov 2015 #43
The best Democratic candidate money can buy. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #44
Wow. Hillary supporters are now pro-fracking? Might as well be Republicans! senz Nov 2015 #48
The tragedy of 9/11 makes support for fracking mandatory. When you oppose Karmadillo Nov 2015 #53
Oh the humanity! George II Nov 2015 #55
Outstanding OP! Thank you! Nt tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #62
Wasn't she working for someone else back then? moobu2 Nov 2015 #64
The fracking process is another violent, brutal attack on our mother earth. Zorra Nov 2015 #66
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #67
Fracking is actually horrible. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #68
Even NY's corporate friendly Gov has finally seen the light on Fracking and banned thankfully here. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #69
Shocking Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #70
 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
2. Clinton continues to surge
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:51 PM
Nov 2015

Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Florida Atlantic University Clinton 66, Sanders 22, O'Malley 4 Clinton +44

Colorado Democratic Presidential Caucus Quinnipiac Clinton 55, Sanders 27, O'Malley 2 Clinton +28

Connecticut Democratic Presidential Primary Emerson College Clinton 50, Sanders 31, O'Malley 9 Clinton +19

Clinton continues to surge!

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
4. Colorado will go Bernie
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:53 PM
Nov 2015

Being a local I can tell you right now that there is ZERO love for Hillary here. Bernie is all over the news. He has a massive indy backing here as my state swings all over the place and you see a lot of "Republicans for Bernie" signs and bumper stickers here.

Response to pinebox (Reply #4)

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
25. So, Mickey and Pinebox, does this mean that the figures in Message #2 (Hillary 55 and
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:49 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie 27) are wrong?

I have a feeling that the entire MSM is geared to falsify results in favor of Hillary. I'd also
like to see people like DSW out of the Democratic Establishment. She is the one responsible
for having the 2nd Dem. Primary debate on a Saturday, when many people are out, so that
there would be fewer viewers watching the debate. It's a dirty, unfair trick!!

Will there be other debates also on weekends? If so, let's get on her tail.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
33. It means she has a lot of soft support.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:41 PM
Nov 2015

People are going for her because she has the name and the media and polls both say they should.

If she falters in the early states expect that support to erode.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
63. I think you nailed it...
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:11 PM
Nov 2015

Soft support...

Realistically, most people, even many likely primary voters, don't pay that much attention this early in a presidential race, so when asked who they support, they will likely go with the known name.

I expect to see substantial shifts in the polls after the first of the year.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
45. The OP is about Clinton pushing fracking -- not a damn horserace.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:26 PM
Nov 2015

Don't you care what your candidate has been doing? Don't you care what she would do if elected?

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
51. "Hillary Clinton has yet to address the issue of fracking during her campaign" per the article
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:42 PM
Nov 2015

that article is from a Bernie supporter. has a lot of innuendo and a reference to a secret document that THEY say says the state dept pushed for fracking during her tenure. but no real evidence and nothing out of Hillary's own mouth which ,my guess is, you already determined to be a lie.

but to answer your question, of course I care


MattSh

(3,714 posts)
59. So, ignore her past history...
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:31 AM
Nov 2015

which is quite well documented, wait for her position to evolve flip-flop to one that she thinks might help her election bid, then watch it evolve flip-flop back to her prior position as soon as she wins drops out.

Gotcha. What could possibly go wrong there?

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
6. Oh, I like that one better than HRH!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:56 PM
Nov 2015

Odd that she an Carly Fiorina would both have something to do with an "HP."



 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
7. Ya go ahead and sleep
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:03 PM
Nov 2015

and ignore that your candidate is in the pockets of big oil.
Facts are sticklers aren't they?

I'm sorry you aren't concerned about money in politics and environmental issues. The Jeb! camp is over there.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
17. Wow...that response that you replied to?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:51 PM
Nov 2015

Says a lot...and none of it is good. If the process is OK, then IMO defend it. But just blowing it off...does not say much about the support of the candidate they have selected.

JMHO

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
46. Who cares about ground water?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:30 PM
Nov 2015

Only extremists. .or people who actually give a f*ck about the environment.
I used to think those who didn't were RW.. nuts but this site proves otherwise.

Thanks pine box for caring. .There are so few of us.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
50. This crap gets posted at least once a day.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:42 PM
Nov 2015

Thank gawd the primary will be over by March 1 and they will be gone.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
8. Seems like Hillary is fine with polllution of the ground water so we all have to pay Nestle' and
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:09 PM
Nov 2015

other profiteers for a drink of fresh clean water. The mantra of all libertarians, every human need must provide a profit for those few at the top and no employer should be forced to pay a living wage to any worker to pay.

Starvation and early death to the many so the few can have it all.


 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
9. LOL!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:12 PM
Nov 2015

It's only damning for those that are unsophisticated. Fracking "across the globe" means getting rid of the hammer of Russian oil.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
11. Ya because poisoning water supplies is a legit alternative, amiright?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:23 PM
Nov 2015

Jeez I swear you're a Republican.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
13. You really need to educate yourself
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:34 PM
Nov 2015

Here is a balanced article on fracking. And there is no evidence that we are poisoning water supplies. No collection of energy is perfect, but you are flatly ignoring how Russian oil puts eastern European countries under the thumb of Russia. It is certainly preferable for them to gain more energy independence from Russia by fracking than to continue under their thumb. It is in fact the much lesser of two evils.

"In the past two years alone, a series of surface spills, including two blowouts at wells operated by Chesapeake Energy and EOG Resources and a spill of 8000 gallons of fracking fluid at a site in Dimock, Pa., have contaminated groundwater in the Marcellus Shale region. But the idea stressed by fracking critics that deep-injected fluids will migrate into groundwater is mostly false. Basic geology prevents such contamination from starting below ground. A fracture caused by the drilling process would have to extend through the several thousand feet of rock that separate deep shale gas deposits from freshwater aquifers. According to geologist Gary Lash of the State University of New York at Fredonia, the intervening layers of rock have distinct mechanical properties that would prevent the fissures from expanding a mile or more toward the surface. It would be like stacking a dozen bricks on top of each other, he says, and expecting a crack in the bottom brick to extend all the way to the top one. What's more, the fracking fluid itself, thickened with additives, is too dense to ascend upward through such a channel. EPA officials are closely watching one place for evidence otherwise: tiny Pavillion, Wyo., a remote town of 160 where high levels of chemicals linked to fracking have been found in groundwater supplies. Pavillion's aquifer sits several hundred feet above the gas cache, far closer than aquifers atop other gas fields. If the investigation documents the first case of fracking fluid seeping into groundwater directly from gas wells, drillers may be forced to abandon shallow deposits—which wouldn't affect Marcellus wells."


http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/g161/top-10-myths-about-natural-gas-drilling-6386593/
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
15. I already am
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

And maybe you should.
Go watch Gasland.







Who's side are YOU on again?

Jeb Bush's private investments in fracking dovetail with public advocacy
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/jeb-bushs-private-investments-in-fracking-dovetail-with-public-advocacy/2218495
The Bush family has been in the energy business for decades, at least since 1950 when 26-year-old future president George H.W. Bush helped found the Bush-Overbey Oil Development Co. with financial support from his dad, U.S. Sen. Prescott Bush of Connecticut. President George W. Bush also worked in the oil and gas business, though he made his fortune with an investment in the Texas Rangers baseball team.

Similarly, fracking is not just a Jeb Bush investment, but also a Jeb Bush family affair.

Son George P. Bush, 38, was elected Texas land commissioner last year, two years after helping found Fort Worth-based FracStar Logistics, providing sand for fracking. One of FracStar's managing partners is Coral Gables-based De Soto Partners, which is co-owned by Jeb Bush and 31-year-old Jeb Bush Jr. FracStar has been renamed Proforce Energy Services.

Jeb Bush's private equity group, Britton Hill Holdings, was established in May 2013, but his entry into the fracking boom and private equity business wasn't publicly revealed until June 2014, when it triggered a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filing for managing more than $100 million.

By then, Bush was looking increasingly like he would run for president.

The filing showed that the pooled investment fund had raised $40.4 million from 37 investors. Bush is chairman of Britton Hill, named after the highest point in Florida and based out of his office at the Biltmore Hotel in Coral Gables. His partners include former Lehman Brothers banker Amar Bajpai, former natural gas trader David Savett and private equity executive Ross Rodrigues. Bajpai is now on the board of Inflection Energy, the Denver company he and Bush invested in.


New Science Shows Fracking Contaminates Groundwater, Yet EPA Is Still Muzzled by Industry Pressure
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/new-science-shows-fracking-contaminates-groundwater-yet-epa-still-muzzled-industry-pressure/

A new study has found that shale drilling and fracking contaminated drinking water wells in Pennsylvania. The study represents the first peer-reviewed paper confirming that fracking can and does contaminate drinking water supplies.

The study discovered that the whitish foam seeping from the faucets and hoses in Bradford county homes was the drilling chemical 2-BE a “foaming agent” known to cause tumors in rodents. The fracking industry contaminant was present in drinking water wells closest to Chesapeake Energy shale operations.

Residents of Bradford have been complaining about contaminated water since Chesapeake Energy began drilling in 2009. Bradford is now the most fracked county in Pennsylvania, and Chesapeake is the largest lease holder. While Chesapeake has never admitted responsibility for water contamination, the company has paid millions in settlements to Bradford residents since 2011.
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
16. LMAO - you should have read the linked article before embarassing yourself
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:48 PM
Nov 2015

Those videos you posted - lookie here from the article you ignored (because you don't want to educate yourself)

"It's an iconic image, captured in the 2010 Academy Award—nominated documentary GasLand. A Colorado man holds a flame to his kitchen faucet and turns on the water. The pipes rattle and hiss, and suddenly a ball of fire erupts. It appears a damning indictment of the gas drilling nearby. But Colorado officials determined the gas wells weren't to blame; instead, the homeowner's own water well had been drilled into a naturally occurring pocket of methane."


 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
18. try this
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:03 PM
Nov 2015

You know what's hilarious is that you can't figure out that fracking allows methane to contaminate water supplies.
It's ok though, keep supporting an ideology which does harm to the planet. That's a great way to support your candidate and speaks volumes!
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/22/3582904/methane-leaks-climate-benefit-fracking/
Derp.


http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22118583/colo-officials-question-link-fracking-waste-disposal-quakes
Have fun. Keep up your Republican support.

More?

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/colorado/history.php
In 1961, a 12,000-foot well was drilled at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal, northeast of Denver, for disposing of waste fluids from Arsenal operations. Injection was commenced March 1962, and an unusual series of earthquakes erupted in the area shortly after.

It was 32 minutes after 4 a.m. on April 24 when the first shock of the Denver series was recorded at the Cecil H. Green Geophysical Observatory at Bergen Park, Colorado. Rated magnitude 1.5, it was not strong enough to be felt by area residents. By the end of December 1962, 190 earthquakes had occurred. Several were felt, but none caused damage until the window breaker that surprised Dupont and Irondale on the night of December 4. The shock shuffled furniture around in homes, and left electrical wall outlets hanging by their wires at Irondale.

Over 1,300 earthquakes were recorded at Bergen Park between January 1963 and August 9, 1967. Three shocks in 1965 -- February 16, September 29, and November 20 -- caused intensity VI damage in Commerce City and environs.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
21. Nah, you're out of tries
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:08 PM
Nov 2015

Unless you want to explain why it's better for eastern European countries to be beholden to Russia for oil.

Have a nice day.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
22. You're out of reality
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:17 PM
Nov 2015

What's better for Eastern Europe?

How about this for a start.
#sorrynotsorry








 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
23. Your elitism is showing
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:32 PM
Nov 2015

Are you going to volunteer to buy them all electric cars they can't afford. Also, how do that use that heat their homes? Do tell.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
28. That's right, just keep on using fossil fuels, and the temperature on earth will keep on
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:11 PM
Nov 2015

going up. Fossil fuels will run out some day any way, and people will have to us solar
and wind energy. It is already late now, and will be definitely too late by then.

About heating homes: You apparently have never heard of - much less bought - an
electric heater?

www.telegraph.co.uk/ news/ worldnews/ northamerica/ 11932421/ More-than-400-towns-and-cities-in-America-will-be-lost-to-the-sea-stu dy-finds.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ news/ worldnews/ northamerica/ 11932421/

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
30. Again you need to educate yourself
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:18 PM
Nov 2015
"The country suffered a difficult start to 2009, after gas supplies were cut in the Russia-Ukraine gas dispute. Industrial output suffered, as well as public services, exposing Bulgaria's overdependence on Russian raw materials. The global financial crisis started to apply downward pressure on growth and employment in the last quarter of 2008. The real estate market, although not plummeting, ground to a halt and growth is expected to be significantly lower in the short-to-medium run.

During the course of 2009, the grim forecasts for the effects of the global crisis on the Bulgarian economy largely materialized. Although suffering less than the worst-hit countries, Bulgaria recorded its worst economic results since the 1997 meltdown. GDP shrank by around 5% and unemployment jumped. Consumer spending and foreign investment dropped dramatically and depressed growth in 2010 to 0.3%. Unemployment remains consistently high at around 10%."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Bulgaria
 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
37. Your information seems to have all come from Big Business Corporations. Scientists
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

say the opposite.

Just Google: More than 400 towns and cities will be under water from the rising sea.

There are over 100,000 articles. You're still talking about business and jobs. I'm
thinking of perhaps 100 million Americans who will have to move inland to higher
ground --just to survive! Think of the problems then!!!

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
38. Now opposition to poisoning our air, and supporting clean energy is ELITISM?!!!!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

You need help. get some.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
40. You need some helping learning how not to be rude
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

And yes, it is elitist to think that people in poor eastern European countries should just whip out $40K for electric cars and $10K to install solar panels.

Do you folks have any clue at all on these issues? Any??

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
58. So let's see...I'm a clueless elitist, but it's me whose rude..... sounds logical....
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 07:47 PM
Nov 2015

rationalize your support for Madame Wall Street any way you need to.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
60. When you're right, you're right!
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:38 AM
Nov 2015

Eastern Europe should not be beholden to Russia, but to Saudi Arabia and Qatar for energy instead, which is the plan as soon as the moderate rebels ISIS is finished trashing Syria.

That's a much better plan.

But I guess you think overthrowing the Syrian government is about democracy.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
31. You really need to educate yourself
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:24 PM
Nov 2015

How condescending (typical)
What.... do you work for Exxon?

I'll bet you thought "Clean Coal" was real.


Why isn't she touting solar?

Maybe the sun doesn't shine in Bulgaria.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
39. I am educated about this
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:50 PM
Nov 2015

And the reason I am is because of the baseless smears made against Hillary on this issue. Apparently the extreme left thinks it would be preferable for eastern Europeans to remain under Putin's thumb. How very progressive of you.

Also, where do they magically come up with the money to turn their countries into solar powered? Is that also your solution for poor people here in urban areas? My goodness, the elitism is out of control with the Bernie peeps. It truly is. SMH.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
57. Also, where do they magically come up with the money to turn their countries into solar powered?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 07:47 PM
Nov 2015

I know!

Let's subsidize them instead of Exxon...which pays no taxes.

Maybe a few less wars for oil would help too.


No amount of education all make fossil fuels not suck.


This is our chance to make the world like us again!

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
41. She's worried about there would be no heating if fossil fuel were not used. She doesn't even
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:56 PM
Nov 2015

know that electric heaters exist. And she talks about her critics needing more education!

She's the one who needs more education. I'll bet she never had any classes in physics.
She doesn't seem to have the faintest idea about the subject. Corporate America loves
people like her. They can be so easily fooled.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
56. electric heaters exist
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 07:45 PM
Nov 2015

Remember.... how is electricity generated?

That's fossil fuels too... unless it"s nuclear.

Or wind and solar.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
10. Groundwater is mostly non-renewable, study finds
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:14 PM
Nov 2015

Ichingcarpenter (35,166 posts)

The water that supplies aquifers and wells that billions of people rely on around the world is mostly a non-renewable resource that could run out, a new Canadian-led study has found.

While many people may think groundwater is replenished by rain and melting snow the way lakes and rivers are, underground water is actually renewed much more slowly.

In fact, just six per cent of the groundwater around the world is replenished within a "human lifetime" of 50 years, reports University of Victoria hydrogeologist Tom Gleeson and his collaborators in a new study published in the journal Nature Geoscience today.

That water tends to be mainly found within a few hundred metres of the surface, where it is most vulnerable to being contaminated by pollution or depleted by higher temperatures and reduced rainfall as a result of climate change, the researchers found.

"Groundwater is a super-important resource," Gleeson said in an interview with CBC News. "It's used by more than a third of the world's population every day for their drinking water and it's used by agriculture and industry."

More than a third of the Canadian population relies on groundwater, including the entire population of P.E.I. and some fairly large urban centres such as Kitchener-Waterloo, Cambridge and Guelph in Ontario, Gleeson added.

Because groundwater is so important to billions of people around the world, Gleeson and colleagues at the University of Texas at Austin, the University of Calgary, and the University Gottingen were interested in finding out how much groundwater there is in the world and to get an idea of when it will run out.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/groundwater-study-1.3318137


Fracking............ what a great idea to destroy your
planet.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/112793948

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
27. Fracking across the globe. So much for the poor of other
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:57 PM
Nov 2015

countries. And so much for climate change and the wars it will create.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
32. Cannot rec this post......
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:39 PM
Nov 2015

...enough times.

I'm SO done with the Clintons.
Time to put people and the planet first.





 

senz

(11,945 posts)
48. Wow. Hillary supporters are now pro-fracking? Might as well be Republicans!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:37 PM
Nov 2015

To support Hillary, one must be willing to help her sell out healthy life on planet earth so she can get more money and power?

I would resent a candidate who asked that of me.

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
53. The tragedy of 9/11 makes support for fracking mandatory. When you oppose
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:46 PM
Nov 2015

fracking, the terrorists win.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
66. The fracking process is another violent, brutal attack on our mother earth.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:52 PM
Nov 2015

It's literally insane.

Anyone who supports fracking is so wrong in so many ways.

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