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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/fundraising/260754-sanders-campaign-honored-by-500k-support-from-super-pacThe Bernie Sanders presidential campaign says it is honored to receive more than $500,000 in support from a nurses union super-PAC, saying the independent financial backing in no way contradicts the Vermont senators opposition to big-money politics.
We are honored to have the support of National Nurses United, said Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver, responding to a report by the Sunlight Foundation a group that tracks money in politics that reveals the super-PAC has already spent $569,000 helping Sanders this primary season.
(More at the link)
moobu2
(4,822 posts)I'm referring to Bernie Sanders if there's any confusion.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)which means only union members can contribute to it. So, basically it's a union supporting a candidate. The FEC declared it a Bernie SuperPAC, not the organization or the candidate.
Z
they can only donate a maximum amount and then that is all.
Plus all contributions are clearly identified.
They can not in any way, shape, or form work in conjunction with the campaign as they have Independent Expenditure status. Not all SuperPAC's do which is a mistake I keep seeing all morning even in a CNN article. IE status means that they are fully supporting one candidate or are working against one candidate. They are held to very strict guidelines as detailed above.
They are nothing like a Hybrid SuperPAC such as Correct the Record which is not only working in a gray area with online coordination directly with the Clinton campaign, but is also not transparent on where the donations are coming from and all going to.
This is a non-story but in typical Clinton/Rovian fashion it is being smeared out there like the bullshit it truly is.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)Just because they don't call it a SuperPAc doesn't mean it isn't a SuperPAC.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)If you have seen Colbert's exploration of the super PAC system the only thing you need to do is say your PAC is a superPAC (and write a one sentence letter to the FEC). Not doing that means you are NOT a SuperPAC
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)as you can read for yourself below:
An organization becomes a PAC when it receives or spends more than $2,600 to influence a federal election.
A Super PAC, also known as independent-expenditure only committees may not make contributions to candidate campaigns or parties, but may engage in unlimited political spending independently of the campaigns. Unlike PACs, Super PACs can raise funds without any legal limit on donation size.
http://www.iagreetosee.com/faq/what-is-the-difference-between-a-pac-and-a-super-pac/
http://people.howstuffworks.com/super-pac1.htm
The NNUPP SuperPAC has another donor outside of the National Nurse's Union. That donor is a 527 group called Progressive Kick. Since I'm certain Progressive Kick is NOT a nurse or a member of the National Nurses United Union, it's false to claim that the National Nurses United for Patient Protection is merely a PAC and only receives money from union members. Progressive Kick is listed as a donor, too, which makes the National Nurses United a Super PAC.
TM99
(8,352 posts)you are actually very wrong.
Instead of quoting www.iagreetosee.com, head over the actual FEC website where you will see that, no, not all SuperPAC's are independent expenditure only. The Nurses Union is, but Correct the Record for example is not. CtR is a Hybrid/SuperPAC and follows different rubrics and requirements.
So that is your first mistake.
The second one is your mis-reading of your own link. The 527 group Progressive Kick is NOT a donor. They were a recipient in 2012 of 1.5 million dollars.
That is your second mistake.
The Nurse Union does NOT get donations from anyone but its own union members. It is an Independent Expenditure SuperPAC which is very different from other SuperPAC's.
Read more carefully next time before patting yourself on the back for being wrong.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)you, unlike me, failed to provide links to backup your claim. Like the link to the FEC website.
But even without it, I fully understand what kind of SuperPAC CtR is. But they are still considered a SuperPAC according to FEC regulations.
Thank you for proving me correct.
Thank you, also, for proving me correct that the National Nurses United is a SuperPAC, too. Much obliged.
As for my link to the Sunshine Foundation article by Josh Stewart that you claim I've misread, nowhere does it mention that Progressive Kick's donation was a refund. That's something you must've gotten from another post by another DUer on this subthread. So you're wrong. I didn't misread the article at my link. So I return the advice to you, TM99...read carefully before patting yourself on the back for being wrong.
To clarify this subthread's subject...by definition, an "independent expenditure only committee" (as my post highlights) IS a SuperPAC, but your fellow Sanders supporters were trying to make the case that it wasn't; that the National Nurses United SuperPAC is actually just a PAC. Thank you for proving me correct on this as well.
So go ahead and pat yourself on the back for being so indubitably wise as you agree with me and disagree with JonLeibowitz and passiveporcupine, both Sanders supporters, who are trying to make the case that Bernie's SuperPAC isn't a SuperPAC. They are wrong, you and I are correct.
TM99
(8,352 posts)The arrogant bullshit they spew on a constant basis.
I think you are quite smart enough to go to the FEC website yourself. As there are multiple pages detailing all of the differences between the types of SuperPAC's, you can read those yourself.
We are both right. In 2009, this union was simply a PAC. This year, they decided to endorse only one candidate. That made them a type of SuperPAC for this campaign season only.
And they are held to different rubrics than other types of SuperPAC like Correct the Record.
But you are still being so zealous and snarky that you are unwilling to recognize the differences and why comparing SuperPAC's that might as well be laundering money for Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton are vastly different than this nurses union.
Bravo!
TM99
(8,352 posts)then how can it be a SuperPAC?
Really, go to the FEC website. PAC's and SuperPAC's are not all alike. There are different designations for the different types according to how can contribute, how much can go to a campaign, etc.
The Nurses Union Limited Expenditure SuperPAC is NOT equal to the Correct the Record SuperPAC. To attempt to equate them with a semantic game that is not factually correct is why man of us Sanders supporters really despise the dirty fucking politics of Clinton and her supporters.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)With Progressive Kick as a donor, the National Nurses United PAC is not merely a traditional PAC but has become a SuperPAC.
I've outlined the differences between PACs and SuperPACs, in my post just above yours: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=830718
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)and they have nothing to do with the Nurse's Union, so it makes the NNYPP Super PAC a Super PAC, not just a PAC.
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/
Difference between a PAC and Super PAC:
An organization becomes a PAC when it receives or spends more than $2,600 to influence a federal election.
A Super PAC, also known as independent-expenditure only committees may not make contributions to candidate campaigns or parties, but may engage in unlimited political spending independently of the campaigns. Unlike PACs, Super PACs can raise funds without any legal limit on donation size.
http://www.iagreetosee.com/faq/what-is-the-difference-between-a-pac-and-a-super-pac/
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)riversedge
(70,205 posts)seems nope!
Dan Merica ?@danmericaCNN 2h2 hours ago
Aside from the FDR lines, Dan Merica ?@danmericaCNN 2h2 hours ago
Aside from the FDR lines, much of Sanders' speech has so far been pulled from his stump: Billionaires, super PACs, fall of the middle class.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Response to riversedge (Reply #24)
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artislife
(9,497 posts)I will be gentler with my thoughts about you. Realizing now that the difference is not apparent to you clears up a lot.
May you have a gentle life with plenty of support.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)IT is a PAC, not a superPAC, sorry.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00446237
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)The 527 group, Progressive Kick is NOT a nurse nor a member of the nurses' union. And only SuperPACs are allowed to accept donations from, among other types of donors, outside organizations. PACs cannot.
Also...
http://realtime.influenceexplorer.com/outside-spending/#?ordering=-expenditure_date_formatted&filer_committee_id_number=C00490375
The National Nurses United has been filing monthly, as Super PACs have to do. That makes it a SuperPAC.
PatrickforO
(14,572 posts)It represents workers.
Giving Bernie money.
Not Wall Street oligarchs.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)zalinda
(5,621 posts)The have been printing handouts, lots of them according to sources.
Z
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I would be honored as well. As I said yesterday I don't begrudge Clinton for running away with union support. Simple fact. It isn't which party these unions will endorse, its which democrat. That is awesome.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Because it is not a real Super Pac.
Here's what sets it apart from the presidential superPACs.
First, its donor list. The other superPACs are financed largely by millionaires. As for the NNU committee, "It's funded exclusively by our members," said Michael Lighty, the union's public policy director.
Technically, the PAC dates back to 2009, when independent expenditures were legal but the legal concept of superPACs did not yet exist. In the 2014 elections, Federal Election Commission records show, the nurses PAC spent $2.3 million, and was entirely funded by the union itself.Then he (Jeff Weaver) drew a line between the NNU PAC and the presidential superPACS. "We have not started a superPAC, are not coordinating with a superPAC, and we have not fundraised for a superPAC," he said. "We stand by our position that we do not want the help of a superPAC."
This is union members (workers), not big money from corporate CEO's or owners. This money is coming from individuals like you and me. They are just doing it through their union. Yes, unions can come up with big donations, but it's all from little people like us.
from wiki
Before Super PACs became "super," they were just PACs, or Political Action Committees. The groups could support a candidate or a cause, but were heavily regulated under the terms of campaign finance law. Individuals were allowed to give $2,500 -- no more -- and corporations and unions were strictly forbidden from making donations.
How many union workers (not management or CEO's or Presidents or Owners of Corporations) who can contribute $2500 to a presidential campaign? The big Super Pacs Bernie is talking about have unlimited donations coming from the top people involved in big corporations, some of whom can donate millions each, now hidden in a super pac.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)My my my.. how I do love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.
No shame at all in actually accepting support from legal sources imho. Doing so, either while or after spending so much time criticizing others for the same..
Miranda says: "Not very presidential"
zalinda
(5,621 posts)It's a union, only union members can contribute, unlike Hillary's superPACs.
Z
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)a most wonderous attempt at Faulty Causation Fallacy
The golf-clap is strong here.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Wall Street. Now I see you say the donations Sanders gets is from members, do you see a problem here? Either get it one way or the other.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)it must be embarrassing to be a Hillary supporter
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)it's morning breath from swallowing a nonsense OP.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)zalinda
(5,621 posts)But then you know that.
Hillary is really worried, isn't she? Or is it her supporters?
Z
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)<...>
National Nurses United endorsed Sanders on Aug. 11, and to date the group's affiliated super PAC has spent a little more than $569,000 in support of him. The spending ranges from print and online ads to printing materials, with significant buys in key states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. As of the last super PAC filing on June 30, the group had about $250,000 cash on hand.
National Nurses United for Patient Protection is a super PAC whose primary donor is National Nurses United, a union of more than 185,000 registered nurses across all 50 states. The super PAC also has another donor from its filing earlier this year, a 527 group called Progressive Kick, which runs donor-matching programs for progressive causes.
Using our Real-Time Federal Campaign Finance tracker, we were able to search all of the group's independent expenditures filed with the Federal Election Commission.
Read more:
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)After her gluttonous appetite for Wall Street millions.
http://www.npr.org/2015/11/19/456560662/superpac-or-not-this-group-has-money-to-bern-for-sanders
First, its donor list. The other superPACs are financed largely by millionaires. As for the NNU committee, "It's funded exclusively by our members," said Michael Lighty, the union's public policy director.
Technically, the PAC dates back to 2009, when independent expenditures were legal but the legal concept of superPACs did not yet exist. In the 2014 elections, Federal Election Commission records show, the nurses PAC spent $2.3 million, and was entirely funded by the union itself. There's only one disclosure report for this year, through June 30; the PAC reported getting no contributions at all.
This so-called Superpac existed before the legal concept was established. It was not solely created to help Sanders but to push Single Payer and other health initiatives. You righteous Hillary defenders do understand the difference between members of unions, and large financial corporations don't you?
msrizzo
(796 posts)We're just amused.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)and nurse's unions, it might appear amusing.
But then, Hillary supporters have any number of blinds spots when it comes to their candidate, so it's not much of a surprise.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Well, now you do, so please edit you false headline
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Just kidding, it's a lame one
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)<...>
National Nurses United endorsed Sanders on Aug. 11, and to date the group's affiliated super PAC has spent a little more than $569,000 in support of him. The spending ranges from print and online ads to printing materials, with significant buys in key states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. As of the last super PAC filing on June 30, the group had about $250,000 cash on hand.
National Nurses United for Patient Protection is a super PAC whose primary donor is National Nurses United, a union of more than 185,000 registered nurses across all 50 states. The super PAC also has another donor from its filing earlier this year, a 527 group called Progressive Kick, which runs donor-matching programs for progressive causes.
Using our Real-Time Federal Campaign Finance tracker, we were able to search all of the group's independent expenditures filed with the Federal Election Commission.
Read more:
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/
demwing
(16,916 posts)The chance that the OP is just confused is somewhere between "No" and "Hell No"
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)<...>
National Nurses United endorsed Sanders on Aug. 11, and to date the group's affiliated super PAC has spent a little more than $569,000 in support of him. The spending ranges from print and online ads to printing materials, with significant buys in key states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. As of the last super PAC filing on June 30, the group had about $250,000 cash on hand.
National Nurses United for Patient Protection is a super PAC whose primary donor is National Nurses United, a union of more than 185,000 registered nurses across all 50 states. The super PAC also has another donor from its filing earlier this year, a 527 group called Progressive Kick, which runs donor-matching programs for progressive causes.
Using our Real-Time Federal Campaign Finance tracker, we were able to search all of the group's independent expenditures filed with the Federal Election Commission.
Read more:
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)<...>
National Nurses United endorsed Sanders on Aug. 11, and to date the group's affiliated super PAC has spent a little more than $569,000 in support of him. The spending ranges from print and online ads to printing materials, with significant buys in key states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. As of the last super PAC filing on June 30, the group had about $250,000 cash on hand.
National Nurses United for Patient Protection is a super PAC whose primary donor is National Nurses United, a union of more than 185,000 registered nurses across all 50 states. The super PAC also has another donor from its filing earlier this year, a 527 group called Progressive Kick, which runs donor-matching programs for progressive causes.
Using our Real-Time Federal Campaign Finance tracker, we were able to search all of the group's independent expenditures filed with the Federal Election Commission.
Read more:
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/
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LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)I'll never be surprised at what Hillary supporters find amusing.
Hillary supporters standing behind a candidate with her Gucci purse stuffed to overflowing with Wall Street criminals money, pointing and laughing at the other candidate that gets a donation from a national union, with full backing from its members, (unlike the teachers union) without asking for it.
msrizzo
(796 posts)Sorry that you are all worked up about me and people like me. I'm going to block you and I think you should block me too so you can save yourself the trouble of knowing what I think.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:43 PM - Edit history (1)
NNU is not a super PAC.
Correct it, delete it, eat it, I don't care.
But when someone continues to repeat something that's been proved untrue, the error expands from ignorance to dishonesty.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)<...>
National Nurses United endorsed Sanders on Aug. 11, and to date the group's affiliated super PAC has spent a little more than $569,000 in support of him. The spending ranges from print and online ads to printing materials, with significant buys in key states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. As of the last super PAC filing on June 30, the group had about $250,000 cash on hand.
National Nurses United for Patient Protection is a super PAC whose primary donor is National Nurses United, a union of more than 185,000 registered nurses across all 50 states. The super PAC also has another donor from its filing earlier this year, a 527 group called Progressive Kick, which runs donor-matching programs for progressive causes.
Using our Real-Time Federal Campaign Finance tracker, we were able to search all of the group's independent expenditures filed with the Federal Election Commission.
Read more:
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/
Number23
(24,544 posts)How very interesting.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)On Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
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LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)BootinUp
(47,144 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Congrats to Mr. Sanders for finally accepting the inevitable.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)riversedge
(70,205 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)do this, and this is a dishonorable breach of the sacredness of his vows. He can never be trusted again. His whole platform is now turned asunder. His supporters should demand this be returned forthwith. I expect purity protests soon! They must be outraged!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Have a nice evening.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Not sure what to believe and will do more digging later when i get home. One thing that makes me think it is not a superPAC is that they existed in this form before citizens United so i don't see how it is a superpac. More digging would be needed, happy to chat more.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)<...>
National Nurses United endorsed Sanders on Aug. 11, and to date the group's affiliated super PAC has spent a little more than $569,000 in support of him. The spending ranges from print and online ads to printing materials, with significant buys in key states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. As of the last super PAC filing on June 30, the group had about $250,000 cash on hand.
National Nurses United for Patient Protection is a super PAC whose primary donor is National Nurses United, a union of more than 185,000 registered nurses across all 50 states. The super PAC also has another donor from its filing earlier this year, a 527 group called Progressive Kick, which runs donor-matching programs for progressive causes.
Using our Real-Time Federal Campaign Finance tracker, we were able to search all of the group's independent expenditures filed with the Federal Election Commission.
Read more:
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/
demwing
(16,916 posts)don't embarrass yourselves
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)<...>
National Nurses United endorsed Sanders on Aug. 11, and to date the group's affiliated super PAC has spent a little more than $569,000 in support of him. The spending ranges from print and online ads to printing materials, with significant buys in key states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. As of the last super PAC filing on June 30, the group had about $250,000 cash on hand.
National Nurses United for Patient Protection is a super PAC whose primary donor is National Nurses United, a union of more than 185,000 registered nurses across all 50 states. The super PAC also has another donor from its filing earlier this year, a 527 group called Progressive Kick, which runs donor-matching programs for progressive causes.
Using our Real-Time Federal Campaign Finance tracker, we were able to search all of the group's independent expenditures filed with the Federal Election Commission.
Read more:
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2015/11/18/bernie-sanders-benefits-from-566000-in-super-pac-support-from-nurses-union/
reformist2
(9,841 posts)It's not a pretty sight, watching them try to make themselves feel better about Hillary's millions by pretending that Bernie is even partly guilty of what Hillary is doing.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Response to msrizzo (Original post)
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Gothmog
(145,176 posts)PatrickforO
(14,572 posts)financial support from unions.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)msrizzo
(796 posts)Sanders drops line attacking super PACs from speech after super PAC backs him Read more: http://wwwhttp://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-drops-super-pacs-attack-216088
Bernie Sanders disapproval of super PACs is a stand-by theme in his stump speech, and its a concept that was included in the prepared remarks of his much-anticipated speech on democratic socialism on Thursday.
But the pre-written line went missing on Thursday, as Sanders with two TelePrompTers standing before him skipped straight from a passage about mandatory voter registration to a line-by-line explanation of the differences between his own ideology and the socialism people commonly think of.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-drops-super-pacs-attack-216088#ixzz3rznmLdr5
Cha
(297,196 posts)Thank you msrizzo~
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)But it wouldn't hurt for him to explain how cash is needed in nat'l politics given the current system. I support changes but not surrender, and I stand right up and cheer when HRC advocates the demise of CU, up to and including a Constitutional amendment.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Gloria
(17,663 posts)Eom
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Corporate = money from a business that is interested in the bottom line - profits.
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)Official PAC Name:
NATIONAL NURSES UNITED FOR PATIENT PROTECTION
Location: SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
Industry: Misc Unions; Health worker unions
Treasurer: HIETAMAKI, CAROLYN
FEC Committee ID: C00490375
(Look up actual documents filed at the FEC)
NOTE: This committee is a super PAC.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00490375
Why are people trying to pretend otherwise?
Number23
(24,544 posts)reality they didn't try to run away from or deny? This person thinks that because it's a super PAC for a respectable and worthy profession, that makes all of this a non-issue and that no one is being hypocritical.
It would be funny if it wasn't so incredibly stupid. And predictable.
MADem
(135,425 posts)There's nothing wrong with doing that which is completely legal. This PAC is filling in a lot of expenditure gaps with regard to various media ad buys.
It was smart of him to drop the snark about SUPER PACs from his stump speech, though.