I don't beleive Hillary can win the GE with stepped up ISIS attacks

[FreakinDJ]

Face it the DEM establishment has very carefully attempted to orchestrate Hillary;s coronation to power but even their best made plans have failed to foresee the current wave of terrorist attacks.

It began with the meme of “The GOP is unelectable in a General Election” This carefully crafted framing was designed to squash dissent within the DEM base in light of the decades of scandals surrounding the Clinton name. Yet with her HUGE unfavorability numbers, and the Voter’s resistence to Trust Hillary the game has changed and the rug has been pulled out from under their feet

They have no shortage of scandals manufactured of otherwise with which to beat home their message. The words Trust and Benghazi will be hammered home to the tune of $2 Billion dollars of Superpac money until the inevitable outcome is a GOP controlled Federal government.

They are not going to reverse course. They will lead the party the electorate and the country down the road to defeat even when any common person on the street can see this long slow train wreck coming a million miles away

[peacebird]

1. I do not believe Hillary can won the GE either, which is why we need to get Bernie the nomination

[vi5]

2. I'm convinced she can't win too, and with the recent triangulation bullshit.....

there's no fucking way I'm voting for her.

[FreakinDJ]

4. They didn't factor in these attacks

and Hillary's name is damaged goods on this subject

Doesn't matter you can submit a 10,000 or 2000 word rebuttal against the attacks - the Sound Byte WINS and that is already baked into the cake

[MissDeeds]

25. +1000 n/t

[merrily]

3. Who doesn't love a multinational war?

[Puglover]

5. So IF she loses.

And for the record I WILL hold my nose and I WILL vote for her and I do NOT want her to lose. But I wonder how it will go down on DU?

1. It's Bernie Sanders fault.

2. It's Bernie Sanders supporters fault. (Which would be a weird thing to say since her supporters are constantly posting polls where she enjoys double digit leads.)

3. Or Hillary is not a good candidate.

It will be interesting.

[FreakinDJ]

7. NONE of this is the DEM base fault

This has been a very calculated, well orchestrated risk, and by no means do I not believe they realized there was risk involved given the extensive effort to frame the election cycle

[Puglover]

9. I tend to agree with you. However as I said.

I wonder how it will go down on DU.

[FreakinDJ]

13. At this rate - 8 years of discussing how bad Trump's administration is

[Puglover]

31. As AWFUL as Bunny Pants was.

DU was a lot more enjoyable back then. But my enjoyment of a website takes a seat far behind a monster destroying lives and pretty much everything else.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. This board will be a wonderful place when Hillary clinches the nomination...

It's a free country so there will be lots of place to trash Hillary, just not here.








LOVE
DSB

[FreakinDJ]

8. You ain't seen nothing yet

Just wait until the GOP Superpac Machine gets started

Stating the obvious is not trashing

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. For every pound of shit the Rethugs throw at the Clintons they will throw ten pounds of shit back.

You could decorate a living room with all the GOP heads the Clinton's have collected.Team Clinton will make the Republican nominee look like a clone of Bull Connor and Joe Arpaio

I can't think of a better team to go to the proverbial "mattresses with."

[FreakinDJ]

39. What the average voter took away from the Benghazi Hearings was ...

Hillary can't be trusted on matters of National Security - and that fact is well documented

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Citation please

What the average voter took away from the Benghazi Hearings was ...Hillary can't be trusted on matters of National Security - and that fact is well documented

Citation please



What the average voter took away from the Benghazi hearing was that Hillary handed the Rethuglicans on the panel their asses, your seeming embrace of them notwithstanding.


^^^^^

that left a mark. I can feel it.

[FreakinDJ]

42. How Does Benghazi Play to Voters These Days?

How Does Benghazi Play to Voters These Days?


Voters are more convinced than ever that the incident in Benghazi, Libya in which the U.S. ambassador was killed on her watch will hurt former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's bid for the White House, but voters are almost evenly divided over whether the ongoing congressional investigation of the matter is aimed at the truth or is just politically motivated.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2015/how_does_benghazi_play_to_voters_these_days

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. You are quoting a right wing pollster and not even quoting him accurately...

How Does Benghazi Play to Voters These Days?


Voters are more convinced than ever that the incident in Benghazi, Libya in which the U.S. ambassador was killed on her watch will hurt former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's bid for the White House, but voters are almost evenly divided over whether the ongoing congressional investigation of the matter is aimed at the truth or is just politically motivated.


http://tinyurl.com/nn9a8n9

Freakin DJ

Rasmussen, really, Rasumussen, really, Freakin DJ. Rasmussen. you're talking about Rasmussen?

You are quoting a right wing pollster and not even quoting him accurately...The poll was taken before Hillary appeared before the Benghazi Committee and handed the Rethugs on the panel their asses,

Oh, re:Rasmussen's bias:

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly



http://tinyurl.com/2udbvak

I did ask for a citation so I do accept some responsibility. I didn't expect my interlocutor to cite a right wing pollster and then cite him inaccurately as well...

Here is my amended challenge. Please cite a neutral source that suggests Americans don't trust Hillary Clinton when it comes to national security.

Thank you in advance.

[joshcryer]

15. Obama got trashed up until a couple of weeks in 2012.

If the admins ban Clinton detractors I might well get banned because I will point this out. Better Believe It!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Be my guest...

We are all guests of the host at this board. When I am invited to a party I don't defecate in the dip bowl nor do I urinate in the punch.

[joshcryer]

26. Obama got the detritus in 2012.

If Clinton gets the sweet punch in 2016 it will be an utter shitstorm. All Obama supporters (many Clinton supporters now) would be hypocrites if they ignored it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. In the Manichean battle between Obama and Romney...

In the Manichean battle between Obama and Romney I am absolutely flummoxed by anybody even a smidgen left of Attila the Hun who didn't take Obama's side.

[joshcryer]

30. Look at when Better Believe It, the troll, was banned.

9 months before the elections.

Months, literally months before Obama, an uncontested candidate, won his own primary.

I'm done with DU if this shit happens again.

[FreakinDJ]

19. Obama won on Bush's legacy of stupidity

They called him a High Functioning Moron on CNN

[joshcryer]

27. Sure.

But I'm talking DU here. Better Believe It, a notorious troll, who had recs leading up to Obama's election, was allowed. Literally posters were wanting DUers to vote for Nader. Literally posters, who are still here, wanted Obama to lose. It was that bad. If it happens again I'm done with DU because that means DU is about view-counts more than it is electing the candidate.

[NurseJackie]

10. That's why Bernie will lose. He's spent his entire career focused mainly on social/domestic issues.

He's totally out of his league when it comes to foreign policy and EVERYONE KNOWS IT. Even HE knows it. He couldn't even keep on subject at the last debate, running out of words and pivoting to domestic issues. That's a LOSING campaign if I ever saw one.

[FreakinDJ]

11. I'm not comparing Bernie to Hillary

Just stating the obvious

[joshcryer]

12. Trump is looking to be the candidate.

[Hepburn]

33. In my worst nightmares, I never envisioned a Perz tRump.

IMO, he would make Bush Boy look like another FDR.

[Depaysement]

14. ISIS probably helps Hillary

For all her faults, she can school any Republican on foreign policy issues. She's forgotten more than the total knowledge of all of the Republican candidates put together. You underestimate what being SOS for 4 years really means, the wealth of inside knowledge and contacts that brings. You see everything and learn an amazing amount at lightning speed. The debates will prove this.

[FreakinDJ]

18. Which Undecided Voters take the time to read the details

And by no means can either party win with out them

It will come down to 2 or 3 word sound bytes and the GOP has carefullyy laid out the ground work to defeat her hands down

[Depaysement]

24. Here's Hillary's soundbite

"I've gone face to face with Putin. I've stood up to China. I helped make Iran negotiate. This is no time for on the job training."

I wrote this in less than a minute. You can probably write about twenty one-liners better than this. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Undecided voters are most susceptible to these types of messages.

[Rose Siding]

32. That's pretty good!

I like your soundbite.

[alc]

22. I've already see a number of videos asking her and her supporters

"What was Clinton's most important accomplishment as SOS?".

Even if the campaign comes up with a good answer (e.g. easily explained in 30 second interview response or commercial) there will be plenty of "reset button" and "frequent flyer miles" and "email server was to avoid SOS transparency" ads out there. SOS is not likely to be a winning issue. It's an in-addition-to-all-these-other-things-she-was-SOS advantage.

[Hepburn]

34. Suggestion:

I would skip the story about being under sniper fire as one of her most important accomplishments.

[FreakinDJ]

36. Hate Wing Radio is already spewing "How can we Trust her when she lied about Benghazi"

[underpants]

20. The press will try to create more drama if that were to happen

but I still think she (or any Dm) wins regardless.

[FreakinDJ]

21. Respect your opinion

regretfully I don't share it at the moment

[corkhead]

23. Yup. OBL helped re-select the pResident in '04.

[FreakinDJ]

37. "Bush will keeps us safe" was the meme back then

and look how well it worked

They used Kerry's strong suits as detractors and re-elected the High Functioning Moron

[ucrdem]

29. It plays to her strength, namely her hawkish foreign policy.

Before Paris it was a liability; now it isn't. It also plays to Jeb's strength, inasmuch as he's a the only Bush in the bunch, and was on the verge of getting laughed out of the race before the Paris attack. Nobody's laughing now, but if it comes down to Jeb vs Clinton, Hillary has actual foreign policy experience and Jebster doesn't.

So the long and short of it is, ISIS helps her win the nomination AND the GE.

[FreakinDJ]

40. Remember how Kerry's strengths were used against him

KKK Rove invented it and it was effective

And it was reinforced by extensive Superpac funded Swiftboating.

So much so "Swiftboating" was added to the urban dictionary

The term swiftboating (also spelled swift-boating or swift boating) is an American neologism used pejoratively to describe an unfair or untrue political attack. The term is derived from the name of the organization "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" (SBVT, later the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth) because of their widely publicized—and then discredited—campaign against 2004 U.S. Presidential candidate John Kerry.[1][2][3][4]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating

How ever disproven Kerry lost the election non the less

[ucrdem]

45. Well, that's probably one reason Hillary has been socking away all those millions

As I recall the Kerry campaign got hit with SBVT at a tricky time financially where they'd spent their limits and were waiting for campaign financing to kick in the next month (August 04 I think). So they didn't have the wherewithall to spend millions on counterads though retrospectively of course they could probably have found the money somewhere if they'd realized the impact SBVT would have. It's hard for me to imagine that after playing this game 25 years the Clintons aren't ready to rapid-response any swiftboat that might be launched against either of them.

[Bleacher Creature]

35. Concern trolling is lame, even on our side.

At some point, people need to stop using tactics and arguments that they've seen repeatedly on the GOP side.

[Buzz Clik]

38. ^^^^^ding ding ding ding ding^^^^^^!!!!!

No shit!

[Lil Missy]

43. I beleive she can win the GE, under any circumstances. Remember, she doesn't have to win DU

to win the nomination and GE.