2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Issues: Private Prisons, The New Slavery?
A new form of slavery is running strong in the United States.
With only 5 percent of the total global population, the United States holds approximately 25 percent of the entire global prison population.
China has a half million fewer prisoners than the United States, despite a population five times larger than the United States. In total, 2.2 million people are currently in U.S. prisons or jails.
Inside U.S. prisons, inmates reportedly produce 93% of U.S. paints and paintbrushes, 92% of U.S. stove assemblies, 100% of military helmets, and more, including products for companies including IBM, Boeing, Motorola, Microsoft, AT&T, Dell, Compaq, and Nordstroms.
While the U.S. violent crime rate has fallen drastically in the past thirty years, U.S. prisons and jails have had a 500% increase in population, thanks in large part to the efforts of private prison corporations. In the past decade alone, Geo Group and CCA spent over $45 million on political campaign contributions. By 2009, private prisons accounted for 8% of all prisoners housed in the United States. In 2011 alone, the two largest private prison corporations The Geo Group and Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) earned over $3 billion.
http://wearechange.org/private-prisoners-new-slaves-usa/
Do you support private prisons? Does your candidate?
As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton.
Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.
Hillary Clinton has a complicated history with incarceration. As first lady, she championed efforts to get tough on crime. We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders, Clinton said in 1994. The three strikes and youre out for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets, she added.
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/
The overly tough stand on crime by conservatives starting with Reagan and continuing thru today has seen prison populations skyrocket. This has had a devastating effect on the lower 99%. The cost, both personal and financial is tremendous and disproportionally affects People of Color. There is nothing to suggest that H. Clinton (known for being very tough on crime) will do anything to turn around this terrible trend.
Our exceptionally high prison population is indicative that our democracy is failing.
We need to elect a true Progressive that has always fought for democracy and fairness for all Americans. We need to elect Senator Bernie Sanders.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Private prisons often force inmates to perform jobs for a pay far below the minimum wage. Refuse to do that mind-numbing job, and you'll find yourself locked up in solitary confiement and / or denied adequate medical treatment. Human rights are violated to ensure a rofit base line.
That is indenture / slavery by another name.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)"The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 passed the House just one week after Sanders made his impassioned speech, and Sanders voted for it. That act called for expanding the application of the death penalty on many more crimes, including large-scale drug trafficking. It also included a federal version of the three strikes law, requiring a mandatory life sentence for anyone convicted of a third serious crime.
That version of the bill ultimately didnt become law, but instead a similar bill, the Omnibus Crime Bill, which not only expanded the death penalty but also decreased the minimum age for minors to be tried as adults, passed the House, once again with Sanders vote, and became law."
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the Democrats, as did 2/3 of the Black Caucus including all leadership of that Caucus. Once it passed Bil Clinton signed it and he and Hillary both touted it before and after passage. I opposed the bill at that time. Bill Clinton pushed it hard.
In the Senate just 2 Democrats voted no. So Yes votes included Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Barbara Boxer....
But of course, somehow it's all Bernie.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)"All over the industrialized world now, countries are saying, let us put an end to state murder, let us stop capital punishment," Sanders said in a 1991 speech on the House floor. "But here what were talking about is more and more capital punishment."
The bill, which included provisions to authorize the death penalty as appropriate punishment for crimes involving the murder of a law enforcement officer, terrorism and drug trafficking, never reached the desk of President George H.W. Bush.
In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.
A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Your candidate's ties to private prisons are suspect, she lobbied for her husband's crime bill, and she still supports the death penalty even though it's inherently racist, but when your smear against Bernie is exposed you respond with "LOL".
Typical.
George II
(67,782 posts).....can be considered anti-civil-rights.
First he was for it, now he's against it. I'm really surprised because he never changes his positions.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I agree.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)She donates it all as a way to deter donations. But Vermont is one of the only states to ship to private prisons.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Those two reside in a fact-free zone.
Impervious to facts. When confronted with same, they deflect, they dodge, they weave, they twist themselves into pretzels, they turn...
And critical thinking or logic?? HA!
On edit - and they DISTORT - present a few cherry-picked facts to provide a totally distorted picture of the real situation.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)ETA - I await your apology for calling me names based on your lack of knowledge about this issue. TIA.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Meaning she was taking them but vows to stop.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts).... in the past. So, she agreed to play your six degrees of separation game to give the bashers one less bogus claim to make.
I highly doubt Hillary knows the gritty details of every donation made to her. It's ridiculous to suggest she would. But do carry on. Nothing new about that sort of thing.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Clinton says she will no longer accept campaign donations from lobbyists and PACs that represent the private prison industry. So she stopped taking the money from them cuz she got caught. When will she return it or donate it to charity?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)The vow came as Sanders railed against what he characterized as a racially unjust prison-industrial complex that feeds on mass incarceration."
He must have forgotten he voted for it.
But his plan is pie in the sky.
No candidates are talking about that, he said.
Violent offenders convicted of such crimes as murder, rape and robbery accounted for 54% of the men in state prisons in 2013, according to statistics compiled by the Department of Justice."
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)How is Bernie going to change prison sentences in 50 states?
Lemme guess, political revolution?
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)As usual. I don't know why people are so roped in by him. Common sense seems to be lost in this primary campaign.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hillary Clinton has said we must end the era of mass incarceration, and as president, she will end private prisons and private immigrant detention centers,
That is from YOUR link.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Duh
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That she decided to stop taking their money.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Either Bernie is shining you on, or he believes in releasing a few hundred thousand violent criminals.
I am sure the voters will love that plan once it gets more press.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hillary Clinton has said we must end the era of mass incarceration, and as president, she will end private prisons and private immigrant detention centers,
From YOUR link, BTW. You are such a hypocrite
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)He does. From the link: I dont make a whole lot of promises, Sanders said, "but here is one I will make to you: If elected president, by the time I end my first term, this country will not have more people in jail than any other country.
He can't reach that goal without releasing violent felons.
By the way, I alerted on your post due to the name calling. I am sure you shouldn't worry though. #thesystemhereisrigged - you should be fine.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Since you contsantly complain about alert stalking, doesn't that prove you're a hypocrite?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Yet she keeps digging
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Calling someone a name is OKIFYABSS
Hillary says the same thing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=882560
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrite
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Seems to be a requirement or something
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Ouch!
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Everybody knows that. I just think some objective proof is a good reminder. You'll find me doing that frequently, as appropriate.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This thread just keeps getting better and better.
Now you're a victim of the same system you just abused to score points against Bernie supporters.
Those jurors nailed it.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Everybody knows it's true. Including you.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Dear alerter: Stop wasting our time with your petty schoolyard scraps over petty remarks. This is the segregated Primaries forum. It is segregated because most people can't stand this sort of crap. Tip: try taking a break and just quit looking to the community to settle your childish slap fights. We have a monster in Trump, a crisis with ISIS, cops killing citizens, and THIS is what you worry about? Stop it.
And grow up
You didn't bother reading that before you posted it either. You are so easy to pick apart when you do this!
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)IOKIYABSS.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #36)
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MaggieD
(7,393 posts)... that right wing links shouldn't be posted here? I sure didn't notice if you did. Did you just not get around to it, or is your outrage only confined to telling the truth about Bernie?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)More proof of your extreme hypocrisy.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Or did you fail to read it?
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And I would like to demonstrate that the system here is rigged. I did it earlier today as well. And the results were just as I suspected for a person that called someone a liar.
And how the hell I am "alert stalking" - did I invade his brain and force him to respond to my post calling me a hypocrite when he demonstrably wrong? I don't think so.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That makes you a hypocrite, again.
And it's not against the tos to call a hypocrite a hypocrite or to point out when someone is lying.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Not that I really give a shit since it's not exactly rare here. But it certainly serves to show IOKIYABSS.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You just don't like it because it's true.
Too bad your alert failed, what a shame.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Are you saying I can go around calling people hypocrites and never get a hide? What's YOUR opinion as a moderator? LOL!
Meanwhile, this gets a hide today, because it's a Hillary supporter. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251880826#post51
#thesystemhereisrigged ... and everybody knows it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What does MIRT have to do with this? And get your facts straight, there are no moderators on DU3.
Oy.
Looks like your associate got her post hidden for claiming someone they disagree with doesn't have a conscience.
Good hide, looks like the jurors got it right again.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Reminding people that Bernie wrote a fascinating essay? Or pointing out how you guys flip out about right wing links, but never if Bernie supporters use them?
How about this. Why don't you go find a post of mine that was hidden and let's discuss. Are you game? You seem to know all about them. Wanna play? Bring it on. Should be fun.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I'm hysterical with laughter.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Calling a hypocrite a hypocrite is not a TOS violation. It *might* be a violation of community standards, but that would be up to a jury.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You have zero integrity
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)The data shows (as the article discusses) that is the ONLY way he can meet his promise.
So which is it? Please explain how he meets his promise without releasing violent felons. Thanks in advance.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And get rid of prison for profit AND their lobbying for long prison sentences. It's that simple.
You made up your interpretation out of whole cloth.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
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loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Since 1865 the only condition under which slavery is constitutional via the 13th Amendment.
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Propaganda against us.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)All my life I thought I had learned that prison labor was illegal here. The only thing stronger than the humbling of the sudden awareness of my ignorance is the pleasure in having been educated. Thank you so much for posting this. You helped me grow today!
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It was very jarring to discover that abolition is a myth. It changed my outlook a great deal, and motivated me to work against racism.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)George II
(67,782 posts).....he never changes position.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the prison industrial complex. i'm sure ellen has a good MOM link to this effect. bernie wants to close private prisons. hillary needs to come out on this so all three are united.
one of the many many articles about bernie and private prisons
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/bernie_sanders_its_time_to_put_an_end_to_private_prisons_20151012
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... of all the the $ Clinton has taken from The Private Prison peeps.
But what the hell? Talk's cheap, right?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and donated an equivalent amount of their contributions to the SPLC or some similar organization, I would be impressed. not holding my breath though
Response to restorefreedom (Reply #69)
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Remember when he gave Pharma-bro's donation to a free clinic that treats AIDs patients?