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(2,546 posts)
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:22 AM Dec 2015

DFA "PUMPING" Hillary in On-Line Member Vote... ONLY One Vote and Dean Endorsement First! REVISED

Last edited Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:51 AM - Edit history (1)

YOUR Thoughts as you read THIS.... When we are talking "Progressive," this "pump" by DFA for Hillary strikes me as something just short of underhanded while being also just plain out of line with the reality of Hillary Clinton's political compass... as DFA founder Howard Dean uses the organization that he founded as his platform to try and Skew this member vote for Hillary...

How is Dean DFA "Endorsement" FAIR to Bernie and for that matter O'Malley as well in what is supposed to be an above board on line DFA Membership Vote? Does "Fairness" even matter... to YOU?

How does it strike you? Only one vote per member and you cannot change it later... So Dean ENDORSES Hillary in FIRST Email!!!

We all understand that Howard Dean has evolved since he ran for POTUS and is a whole lot less "progressive" than he may once have been. It is something less than democratic for Dean through DFA to try and persuade DFA members to slip their vote to Hillary in order to avoid a BLOWOUT WIN for Bernie and is in my mind... "CHEAP" on the part of BOTH DFA and Howard Dean!

Doesn't Hillary have ENOUGH HELP from MSM PROPAGANDA 24/7?

Let's call out DFA AND Howard Dean on this...

The point of this post was.... Members only have ONE chance to VOTE and cannot change it!!!

Howard Dean "Pumps" for Hillary in FIRST email so Hillary gets the FIRST Shot at the Membership thus improving her odds of a better score with the membership due to Dean influence coupled with first email to membership...

When Hillary talks about being "Progressive" most importantly she is no where near "progressive" on ECONOMIC Issues related to her close relationship with Wall Street.

Hillary has not been responsible in her decision making when it comes to FOREIGN Policy

e.g., Recently Advocating for a No Fly Zone over Syria in last debate ... Voting affirmatively with George W. Bush to invade Iraq in 2002...

Inattention to detail, poor management and/or Delegation of Responsibilities regarding the Benghazi Libya episode must be considered when critiquing Secretary Clinton's tenure at State, at a minimum .

Competence is lacking in this regard as well as judgement when Hillary is compared to her Democratic Primary competitors in this vital "Commander in Chief" issue .

Excerpts w/ annotation and points to ponder...

"As you make your decision about who Democracy for America will endorse to be our next president, I want to share a few words about my choice: Hillary Clinton."

"Hillary Clinton is the candidate who shares our progressive values on issues like climate change, immigration reform, and LGBT rights -- and she has the experience and ability to turn those values into policies that will help Americans."

Funny... Where is any mention of PROGRESSIVE ECONOMIC POLICIES by Hillary?

How does Hillary differ on the social/climate issues cited by Governor Dean above from O'Malley and Sanders?

Is Hillary even as good even on these Social/Climate issues as her opponents?

Howard again...
"In the 25 years I've known Hillary Blah, Blah, Blah...

Howard is neglecting to mention her debt to Wall Street...

[uCan we say $105 $MILLION$?

State Department... No Fly Zone over Syria... Can you say ...Non Stop Ticket to WW III?

Howard again...
"That's enough from me -- read on to see what Hillary has to say about why your vote matters to her. Thanks for your commitment to this process, and to our democracy."

***Nothing to address the corrupt political system that passes for "democracy" which is completely beholden to the Oligarchy, Corporate America, Corporate Media and Wall Street. Does not Senator Sanders make an issue of this?

Then again doe we not all agree that Senator Sanders owes $ZERO$ to Wall Street?

THIS is the problem that coupled with an "Establishment" engineered ignorance of a great percentage of the American people the public buy in is facilitated by the most sophisticated propaganda machine in history.

- Howard

Gov. Howard Dean, Founder
Democracy for America

------- Forwarded message --------
FROM: Hillary Clinton
SUBJECT: Your vote

"I want to thank you for your involvement in Democracy for America, and for taking the time to be thoughtful and engaged in our democracy. I'm excited for all that we're going to accomplish together during the course of this campaign, and I'm really looking forward to all the good we can do if I'm elected president.

I've said before that I'm a progressive who likes to get things done. So I want to talk to you about the things I'd like to accomplish in the White House.

First, I'll work to make sure all Americans are treated fairly -- continued....

I'm going to raise wages for the middle class. ($12.50 Max vs Sanders/O'Malley $15.00) I believe this is the defining challenge of our time. I'm the only Democrat in this race who's pledged not to raise taxes on families making less than $250,000 per year. "

Who among the remaining Democratic candidates in the race has stated that they would raise taxes on those earning under $250,000?

Questions arise as to the continuing relevance of Social Security and Medicare if she has the "watch."

Hillary... "Finally, I want to make sure that my term in office would ensure a strong progressive legacy for decades to come... "

Very much in doubt based on her record...

Hillary... "I take a backseat to no one when you look at my record in standing up and fighting for progressive values. "

NOT including $ECONOMIC$ values/fairness/taking on the Corporate Oligarchy... as Wall Street must be repaid!

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to earn your support. I promise that if I'm elected, I'll keep working for it every single day I'm in office.

With deep appreciation,

- Hillary
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DFA "PUMPING" Hillary in On-Line Member Vote... ONLY One Vote and Dean Endorsement First! REVISED (Original Post) CorporatistNation Dec 2015 OP
Great message from Clinton and Dean. Love it. Thanks for sharing. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #1
+1. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #10
The establishment is clutching at straws and pearls alike. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Live and Learn Dec 2015 #3
You read all that? PADemD Dec 2015 #4
They didn't give the candidates your address. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #7
BREAKING NEWS!!! New Polling Scandal! brooklynite Dec 2015 #5
Facebook, one of the largest corporate entities in the world, polls good. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #16
They are pumping all 3 candidates Renew Deal Dec 2015 #6
Yup. Agschmid Dec 2015 #23
DFA is giving them equal time. I got the Bernie one a while ago DFW Dec 2015 #8
I think that you may have missed part of the lead-in. BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #9
Seems fine to me. What exactly is the problem? NurseJackie Dec 2015 #11
Here's what you Bernistas need to know . . . Gamecock Lefty Dec 2015 #12
I got the same thing from dean Robbins Dec 2015 #13
Your fausx Outrage is misplaced--All Three Dem Candidates have a chance with DFA..... riversedge Dec 2015 #14
oops. lol. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #17
Sanders submitted his own letter as did O'Malley. 'Calling out ' the progressive DFA will only make riversedge Dec 2015 #15
I think the poster is reflecting on DFA's former prez pumping, outside of equal voting time. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #18
Well, Sanders should have had his own surrogate include a memo into the letter of submission riversedge Dec 2015 #20
You should probably take down your post as it looks foolish. Several posters have corrected you. riversedge Dec 2015 #19
The Post is Updated... It Was About Fairness... CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #21
I voted Bernie. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #22
NOT Surprisingly, I Voted for Bernie as Well CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #24
Sorry, Dean was never terribly progressive. Ask Vermonters cali Dec 2015 #25
Just ask Vermonters about Bernis Sanders' F-35 MIC Contract. Not happy about that one either. misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #27
It's true that we Vermonters don't like the F-35 cali Dec 2015 #30
I'm not a Vermonter, but I knew Dean wasn't progressive theislander Dec 2015 #28
^^^this^^^ ViseGrip Dec 2015 #29
Kick! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #26

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
2. The establishment is clutching at straws and pearls alike.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:29 AM
Dec 2015

There must be internal polls - that they don't mention 50 threads in a row - that spell the unsurmountable unpopularity of their preferred candidate.

Response to CorporatistNation (Original post)


(4,482 posts)
4. You read all that?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:41 AM
Dec 2015

I hit delete as soon as I saw who it was from.

What irked me about this poll, was DFA giving each campaign access to my email address so that they could try to persuade me with a DAILY email.

My mind is made up; I voted once.


(94,279 posts)
5. BREAKING NEWS!!! New Polling Scandal!
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:44 AM
Dec 2015

The "sanctity" of online polls has now been violated! If you can't trust DFA, who can you trust?



(30,481 posts)
16. Facebook, one of the largest corporate entities in the world, polls good.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:00 AM
Dec 2015

DFA bad. Things are pretty clear aren't they.

"The "sanctity" of online polls has now been violated!"


Renew Deal

(81,841 posts)
6. They are pumping all 3 candidates
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:47 AM
Dec 2015

I've gotten multiple emails. One was from O'Malley on behalf of himself. One was on behalf of Hillary and won was for Bernie. It's basically DFA's spam.


(54,267 posts)
8. DFA is giving them equal time. I got the Bernie one a while ago
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:41 AM
Dec 2015

Jim Dean, the DFA hands-on head of the organization, supports Bernie. His brother Howard, the founder, supports Hillary.

They also include in their voting option a space I clicked on: that DFA should not make a formal endorsement.

I think it would weaken DFA's impact later on if they make a primary endorsement, and then someone other than their pick wins. If they don't endorse, then the combined support of the Dean brothers for the eventual nominee will have greater force in the General Election.


(15,365 posts)
9. I think that you may have missed part of the lead-in.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:42 AM
Dec 2015

DFA is forwarding messages to its membership from all three Dem candidates.

This was simply one of the first. Howard Dean has made no secret whatsoever about his support - as a private citizen - for Hillary. Then he's letting her speak for herself, just as each of the candidates will/has.

As a founder of DFA, he should have some rights to express himself, one might think.

Is DFA now going under the bus too? Sheesh

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
12. Here's what you Bernistas need to know . . .
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:51 AM
Dec 2015

Not every online poll favors Bernie. Not every young person favors Bernie. Not every person sitting in a restaurant eating favors Bernie. Not every union worker favors Bernie. Not every progressive favors Bernie. Not every liberal favors Bernie.

Maybe, just maybe, the majority of us like Hillary better. No matter how much you try and vilify her, no matter how many names you call her, we happen to like her better than your guy.

So go bark up another tree.


(70,016 posts)
14. Your fausx Outrage is misplaced--All Three Dem Candidates have a chance with DFA.....
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:54 AM
Dec 2015

All 3 submit letters. See this link.


This Is How The Democratic Candidates For President Talk To Progressives

A grassroots progressive group’s presidential endorsement process shows of the various pitches Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and Martin O’Malley are making to the hard left.

posted on Dec. 9, 2015, at 1:01 p.m.

Evan McMorris-Santoro
BuzzFeed News Reporter

Mandel Ngan / AFP / Getty Images

WASHINGTON — The three candidates for the Democratic nomination are attempting to win the endorsement from Democracy for America, a progressive grassroots group founded out of Howard Dean’s 2004 presidential campaign.

DFA is going to make a primary endorsement soon, and that means leaders from the group are polling its members to find out who they like the most. Whichever Democratic candidate wins the DFA membership vote will get the group’s endorsement, as well as grassroots political efforts to bolster that candidates campaign using DFA’s well-established national political network.

The Democratic campaigns are pushing to win that vote. And so this week, each candidate is sending a letter to DFA members stating his or her case for the group’s endorsement. Members then vote in an online poll running through next Tuesday. Final results will be announced next Thursday. ...............


(70,016 posts)
20. Well, Sanders should have had his own surrogate include a memo into the letter of submission
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:16 AM
Dec 2015

to the DFA. I think it was clever of the Hillary camp to have Howard Dean include include his memo. All 3 candidates had the same opportunity.


(2,546 posts)
21. The Post is Updated... It Was About Fairness...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:56 AM
Dec 2015

In this Dean "Endorsement" which as presented to the membership was unfairly presented in an attempt to "Save" Hillary... from the Progressives in DFA. If a candidate is going to call themselves "Progressive, they need to be "Progressive" on issues other than those of the "Social" variety as well. Let's allow those who are "Progressive" choose their preferred candidate without undue interference or Establishment attempts to "influence" the vote. Corporatist Nation


(9,148 posts)
27. Just ask Vermonters about Bernis Sanders' F-35 MIC Contract. Not happy about that one either.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:42 AM
Dec 2015

They are still pissed with F-35 Contract for the billions $ MIC & their Wall Street Investors.

Bernie won't talk about this no matter how many times he's asked. But rah rah Bernie.



(114,904 posts)
30. It's true that we Vermonters don't like the F-35
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 01:07 PM
Dec 2015

It's not true that we don't like Bernie because of his support for it.



(35 posts)
28. I'm not a Vermonter, but I knew Dean wasn't progressive
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:15 PM
Dec 2015

He described himself as a centrist. I caucused for him, but it was disheartening back in 2004.

Bernie is the real deal, and I'm really excited to caucus for him this time around.

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