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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:17 PM

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz did not go to law enforcement, she went to the press

All you need to do to tell that the allegations against Bernie's campaign are partisan smears is take a look at how Debbie Wasserman-Schultz has handled the situation.

If Bernie's campaign was really involved in illegal activity then it was Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's duty to report that to law enforcement, but instead of going to law enforcement she went to the press.

What does that tell you?

It tells me that this is a political smear job and not a real attempt to get to the facts.

So far we have not received information on this from ANY neutral parties. We have only heard from the DNC, the IT company, and the response of the Sanders campaign.

Not a single neutral person has provided information about this case, not a single law enforcement agency has spoken, we are just supposed to believe Bernie's campaign was involved in criminal activity because Debbie Wasserman-Schultz launched a smear campaign to imply that.

Bernie's campaign was willing to go to Federal Court and present evidence under oath. I don't think a campaign that was trying to cover up a crime would do that.

I am far more suspicious of someone who goes to the press before contacting law enforcement than I am of a campaign that shows a willingness to present evidence under oath.

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz needs to resign. Now.

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Reply Debbie Wasserman-Schultz did not go to law enforcement, she went to the press (Original post)
Bjorn Against Dec 2015 OP
morningfog Dec 2015 #1
Segami Dec 2015 #30
FreakinDJ Dec 2015 #82
winter is coming Dec 2015 #43
Segami Dec 2015 #51
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Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #84
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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:19 PM

1. I've seen no evidence of a crime. It was a hill shill hit job.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:17 PM

30. +1000

 

It's amazing how much leaked detailed info continuously streamed into the MSM's articles. Now why would the DNC try to smear a democratic presidential candidate BEFORE an investigation commenced?


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Response to Segami (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:23 PM

82. And just before a presidential debate

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:27 PM

43. +1. The point was to move the dial on Bernie's "trustworthy" numbers.

Massive backfire!

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:39 PM

51. Bingo!

 

The Hillary camp has been trying forever to rehabilitate her 'untrustworthy' hallmark. So instead, they decided, along with the DNC & DWS, to level the integral playing field by besmirching Bernie's character.

It was a failed hit job that will have big consequences once the dust up begins to settle.

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Response to Segami (Reply #51)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:20 PM

69. That was my first thought.

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Response to Segami (Reply #51)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:55 PM

84. all the trust DWS has lost will start to translate into declining trust in Clinton...

 

all the trust DWS is still going to lose may translate into a campaign disaster for Clinton. And if we are lucky that disaster will materialise in the primaries. If we are unlucky, it will do so in the GE.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #84)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:35 PM

87. DWS & HRC are now eternally joined at the hip.

 

Disclaimer terms for 'Hip' joining:

Only till Hillary feels the breeze of public support slipping.....then its adios Debbie!


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Response to Segami (Reply #87)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 07:43 AM

122. Clinton can always be trusted to do the right thing -

 

after all other alternatives have been tried and rejected.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:05 PM

63. That's my take on it too. They hate the fact that the man

Has integrity. They are a sad bunch.

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Response to azmom (Reply #63)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:08 PM

85. I'm thoroughly disgusted with her.

Now, I'm fully motivated.

I was getting kind of lazy, but now I'm energized.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:03 AM

126. Why did Sanders fire people and apologize?

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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:28 PM

7. The nice thing about the legal process is it dispense with a lot of bullshit.

 

I mean, if it's guilt by association you want, how about the people that Hillary is clearly in bed with?

That, and the fact that her campaign was discovered in 2008 to have broken through to another candidate's data.

I love that they filed suit, and that the DWS so clearly backed down. Frankly, I would like to see the suit continue, and for more facts seen more impartially come to light.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:18 PM

33. You will get your wish according to some sources.

Apparently the Campaign is NOT dropping the suit.

Make a batch of popcorn.

There's the debate later today, and then who knows what will come out of the law suit.

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:45 PM

55. I'll be having chocolate mint covered grahm cracker cookies

popcorn hulls get stuck in my teeth.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #55)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:03 PM

92. Homemade Recipe?

Please share. Thanks.

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Response to PADemD (Reply #92)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:48 PM

95. No the pharmacy hands out gift wrapped boxes every Xmas when you get your prescriptions filled

but they are as addictive as the Girl Scout's Thin Mints, they're just bigger.

Way better than the calendars they used to hand out, those tasted nasty.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #95)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:00 AM

130. too funny!!! love your user name! eom

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #130)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:05 PM

135. Thanks, I think I've had this screen name since WINDOZE 95 was out.

I used to have another screen name (not here on DU, but on other sites) however, I abandoned it because it made men think I was looking for cyber sex instead of simply having my underwear in the dryer.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #55)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:45 PM

94. Oh those sound absolutely yummy! Have one and nod in my direction! eom

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:20 PM

3. As soon as the Sander's campaign filed a law suit the DNC backed down.

 

It seems the threat of discovery motions was a bit too much to risk.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:43 PM

11. The DNC's actions in the face of a court case speak louder than words

Who here thinks Bernie would want to go before a judge and plead "we need access to our data so we can steal more of Clinton's data!!" That's what he'd effectively be asking in part if his campaign had really stolen Clinton's data. He'd have a real problem and the Clinton campaign could put the boots to his campaign in a court of law in front of the media - burying him as a data thief.

But when they had the opportunity to do just that, they backed down in a real hurry. It's ok to lob BS at Bernie in the media who are too lame to hold you to account but when you know that BS wouldn't fly under the scrutiny of a court, you'd better run away. Which is exactly what the DNC and Clinton did here. Not only were the DNC in gross beach of the DNC contract with Sanders - the Clinton claims of data theft were going to get clobbered and they bloody well knew it. That's just more evidence that there was no real theft of data. A thief is not going to go out of their way to stand before a judge while the media looks on - particularly when he's running for president.

I'll tell you something else that smells. It would appear that this voter data application is controlling data security at the application level - not under the hood at a file/network level because an application bug seems to be what opened the security door. What that suggests to me is that under the hood - below the application, the data is available to anyone that knows their way around a computer system at that level - maybe with some basic encryption to crack in the worst case. So DWS probably has a lot more explaining to do if someone really wants to go there.

Since Clinton folks are the ones who founded this vendor, they probably have the ability to get routine updates of Sanders data if they so choose.

If the Sanders folks don't want the Clinton folks to have their data, they should probably migrate their data to a server elsewhere and get away from these folks.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:10 PM

22. THIS!! +100000

Good synopsis, Jarqui!

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:47 PM

76. you just make too much sense.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:11 PM

80. A-freakin'-men!

Finally! The voice of reason crying in the wilderness!

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:51 PM

56. Especially since it was a CLEARLY losing one for the DNC

 

Cut-and-dried breach of contract. The sanders campaign acted in good faith even though the contract does not obligate them, and in return the DNC outright violated its agreement with the sanders campaign.

There's no judge in the country who would sit with the DNC on that.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #56)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:12 AM

115. I agree. Looks like the vendor did not secure the data properly.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:20 PM

4. Damn right

Now both those candidates seem opportunistic. Hillary for using stats and analysis which seems impersonal. Beanies staff for wanting it.

The DNC has NO business keeping that kind of info for any candidate. Let them keep it themselves.

DWS should resign

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:26 PM

5. 6 people ran 24 queries on HRC's data, saved results

And you act like Sanders is the victim? Really?

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Response to Gman (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:27 PM

6. If a crime was committed why did the DNC go to the press instead of to law enforcement?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:31 PM

8. Because this was all about politics and public perception, not law n/t

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:36 PM

9. Exactly, but I don't think that public perception thing worked out quite the way they intended it to

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:38 PM

10. My impression of the DNC and DWS

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:57 PM

13. .seriously. Nt

 

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:04 PM

17. Precisely.

 

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:19 AM

117. There is no allegation that Sanders campaign broke or hacked Hillary's data but rather that

There were breaches of the firewall. That looks bad for the vendor that the DNC hired, which, I nderstand employs people close to Hillary. And DWS. The facts will emerge.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:36 PM

73. And why would Bernie

 

continue forward with the lawsuit? This is his chance to show America what a slimy, crooked organization the Hill backing DNC and DWS are.

The poster would be wise to self delete or correct the posting.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:30 PM

100. Because this is all in the family . And they seem to be the adults. It's bad enough....

..... having a campaign do something so obviously stupid and unethical as accessing a rivals private data, and, worsen yet, to take legal action against the party after doing so. That does a lot of damage to our reputation . It would have been much, much worse for legal charges to haven't been filed in retaliation.

Over all the DNC has been reasonableand acted responsibly.

The DNC isn't an issue that most, or even very many, voters care about. They want to hear about economics and foreign policy.

Sander's campaign already screwed up by breaching common sense ethics, I hope he doesn't screw up any worse by trying to make this misfeasance into some sort of self righteous crusade .

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Response to Gman (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:04 PM

18. The claim that results were saved is in dispute.

The vendor has said no data was saved. The claim appears to be from spinners, and/or reporters who are injecting heresay into a story that is still developing. Thinking people are waiting and watching.

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Response to Gman (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:18 PM

31. Have you seen what they named the queries?

They weren't hiding themselves, they were documenting the breach since it was obvious the DNC and the vendor weren't going to fix the issue.



Honestly, be logical. Why would you name your queries "Not Sanders," which obviously points to your candidate, and why would you report it if you meant to be nefarious? Sure they had to fire the guy, but he doesn't sound mad. He probably realizes that the campaign had to do that to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

But, the answer your question, yes, Sanders was the victim.

The tech company breached their contract by not providing the security and privacy it promised and the DNC breached their contract when it failed to give Bernie's campaign formal notice in writing of the breach and cutting his access immediately rather than wait the 10 days, required by the contract, to allow his campaign to address the issues.


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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:13 PM

66. Everybody's fault BUT the Sanders campaign

They know the correct procedures. They were either thieves and highly unethical or stupid or both. Thieves in general are not very smart. So what about the data? What did they do with it? Create a .csv file and save it to a memory stick? Was the data and directories named that to provide an in place alibi? Even if they didn't save the data to a memory stick, they could have did a print screen, save the image to a .tif file then OCR it to get to the data and the system has no record The bottom line is HRC data was accessed. I'd like to know what's on their hard drives. And I think they need to take some responsibility here.

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Response to Gman (Reply #66)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:19 PM

81. Well, as I'm sure you know by now,

VAN said they did NOT download, copy, or save any data as that would be impossible. If your don't know that by now, Google (and DU) are your friends.

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Response to dgibby (Reply #81)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:26 PM

83. Doesn't rule out a screen capture and then OCR

To extract the data. I'd like to see their hard drives examined but that seems like a big deal over probably at best very little. Possibly nothing. Doing what I describe is tedious and it doesn't appear they were on for long enough to grab much data.

No I had not heard that. I'm working around the yard today and haven't read the latest.

Regardless, blaming everybody else isn't going to do anything except increase fundraising. It reeks of right wing tactics and is very unbecoming for a candidate I have the highest regard for, would have no problem supporting in November, but I don't support now.

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Response to Gman (Reply #83)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:16 PM

98. What you are saying is beyond ridiculous.

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #98)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:40 PM

101. Really?

It works. Image readers are common now.

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Response to Gman (Reply #101)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:58 PM

102. Really.

Not talking about freaking OCR, which I was playing with over a decade ago. It's all your Bernghazi nonsense that is ridiculous

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #102)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:09 AM

112. Bernghazi!!!!!1



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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:44 PM

74. They were probing the vulnerability of the data they should not be accessing

because they knew the Sanders' data was equally vulnerable to the Clinton campaign. They saved search results because they wanted to create a trail of what they could pull up. One of the people involved with this process has spoken out about it.

Everyone knew the system was vulnerable because three months' prior to this incident, the Sanders' campaign had reported the problem of the breached firewall. Everyone also knew from usage that the problem had not been fixed. Everyone knew whatever activity they performed could be tracked. There was nothing nefarious about this; their interest was in protecting Sanders' data from exposure - not stealing data from others.

And this is why Sanders, in making a statement about the whole affair, said the campaign had fired the one individual who had actually looked at data. He also said it was unfair because he was a part of probing the vulnerability for purposes of handing over the documented results of the technical failures, not someone who chose to be a maverick by stealing data from other candidates. The next day, I heard him say this on air.

And since this incident, reviews from other technical organizations have said purely from a technical standpoint had it been their responsibility to assess the damage they would have done exactly the same thing.

I hope Sanders finds a way to give this man his job back. He didn't deserve to be made a scapegoat in this debacle.

Sanders also stated in his legal documents filed with the court his own data had been breached.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #74)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:24 AM

113. Thanks for that info. I'm just getting caught up with this and it was very helpful.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #113)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:54 AM

119. You are welcome - this is going to be one of those deals you have follow closely for the duration

because once you are lost, it just is too difficult to catch up. So I am trying to stay tuned.

Sam

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:27 PM

104. Thanks Fawke Em!!!

 

Between the Log Picture in your post and IllinoisBrenel's picture of the Hillary Bus with the "Powered by NGP VAN" across the top (http://www.democraticunderground.com/128085702) we are armed to quickly shut up Hillary followers that add nothing to the discussion but the same regurgitated garbage over and over again....

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:23 AM

118. Thank you.

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Response to Gman (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:06 PM

97. They even set up two new accounts in order to access more data.

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Response to George II (Reply #97)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:05 AM

128. Or to test....

...if the breach was just data related or authorities related. It is two different issues if data is exposed or security relating to user level access. Testing if it is just a glitch with certain userids or a general category error.

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Response to Delver Rootnose (Reply #128)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:28 AM

133. Bottom line, a day later now, and Sanders apologized - APOLOGIZED PUBLICLY! If it was.....

....."innocent" then his Data Director would still be working for the campaign and Sanders wouldn't have apologized on national television.

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Response to Gman (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:15 AM

116. The vendor did not properly protect the security of the data.

There is no allegation that the data was obtained by hacking but rather that there were breaches in the system including one in October.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #116)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:10 AM

131. The vender did not make them access data

The vendor was sloppy. They were unethical.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #116)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:15 AM

132. very true. But, the news media is keeping it very vague and UN-

nuanced.

As we know, many of the American public only hear what they want to hear. The accusations of 'hacked into the Clinton files' is running rampant. And NPR has been very vague. Can't rely on them any more than the MSM.

Instead of being clear up front, everyone is making up their own version of the events.

Citing quotes and stories that are inaccurate and jumping to conclusions that lead to more false stories and more false conclusions.

I am very happy that Sanders came out quickly to defend their data, quickly to act (fired the staffer) and quickly apologized on National TV at a debate that might have been more viewed due to the controversy despite it being the Saturday before Christmas.

But, make no mistake, this was a DNC/Vendor/DWS snafu that may never get unraveled since it would make HRC look bad. The ties between HRC/DWS/DNC/DataVendor is one big ugly conflict of interest.

I wish Bernie had the funds to have a standalone data system. But, ain't going to happen.

Stay tuned and #FeeltheBern

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Response to Gman (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:35 PM

136. From whence comes that information?

And, which is it? Four people? Six? One?

Were files "looked at"? "Downloaded"? "Saved"?

Really?!?

See, I think it speaks to public perception of Hillary's veracity that so many of us are crying foul. The timing, DWS going to the press rather than LEO, the shifting allegations...

I think this imbroglio has backfired on DWS, and by extension, HRC.

For me, it has further damaged HRC's already tainted reputation, and solidified my resolve to support Senator Sanders.

GO, BERNIE!!!

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Response to chervilant (Reply #136)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 08:03 PM

138. Dunno, she looked pretty damn good last night

So you're one of a few that feel that way.

So what? You think the world shouldn't know what Sander's staff did that was pretty damn unethical. Even Sanders thinks so.

Why Sanders keeps my respect is because he's not like his supporters.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:53 PM

12. Duty? The only duties DWS has is getting Hillary elected and making sure other Democrats lose.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:14 PM

27. She has a good track record

 

of helping democrats lose.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:21 PM

37. Maybe because she's really trying to help the other party win?

Look at her record in Florida where she supported repugs. Perhaps the scariest thing for DWS is to think that a real liberal/progressive could win.

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Response to erronis (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:29 PM

46. Yep

 

She makes Terry McAuliffe look like a super star.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:53 PM

58. Not Hillary.

 

DWS is there to get Republcians elected, and she's done a pretty bang-up job of it. If I were the clinton campaign, I'd be extremely wary of this person's enthusiastic support. After yesterday, I'm pretty sure the Clinton campaign is quietly looking for a bus to kick ol' Goat-Eyes under.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #58)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:30 PM

71. Oh, I'm sure Hillary is exactly the kind of politician DWS wants to see win elections.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:34 PM

72. I'm not entirely sold that clinton wants ot be that politician, though

 

I mean sure, she'll happily smother the Democratic Party with a pillow if she thinks she's not getting her way. she tried in 2008, after all. But that's all about her, and her ego. I don't think she'd jump ship for the Republicans, though. Catch a case of Joementum, sure, but not a full turn to the republicans.

DWS, on the other hand, is in the fucking bag for them.

It's a difference of degrees, i suppose, and both of 'em suck severely.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:57 PM

14. Thank You For Sharing These Truths

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:57 PM

15. She's a hack and she serves a hack

 

and we need to kick that entire contingent (Third Way) out of the Democratic Party.

They are fundamentally at odds with the principles of democracy, which is the essential principle of the Democratic Party.

Let them form their own political party.

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Response to senz (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:58 PM

61. I agree in the strongest terms.

 

I would love to see Debbie Wasserman Schultz charged with a felony for maliciously interfering in an election.

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Response to senz (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:25 PM

70. Huge +1!

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:00 PM

16. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Bjorn Against.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:11 PM

23. Why did she go to the press without doing an audit?

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:14 PM

25. The audit probably won't be complete until Dec. 2016.


gimme a break, already.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:28 PM

45. And it's also a self-audit.

The vendor is auditing themselves.

Yeah. That info will be reliable.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:20 PM

35. Wouldn't that be for the courts to decide? How can they judge something if it is not reported?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:08 PM

20. I also know they didn't hire a third party security company to gather info, either.

I work for one of those and know our competitors (there's not that many - finding people with that background is hard and limits the number of companies who are expert at this).

Had DWS hired one, the knowledge of that would have made it's rounds in the data security community.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:25 PM

41. Yeah - and includes the some of the same people that helped SOS Hil set up her "private" server

A reputable security firm would have told Hil and best-friend Deb that the DNC database/access was not compliant with any current best practices.

Oh well. We'll see how HRC conducts "business" if she becomes in charge of all US investments (whoops, that should be activities).

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:09 PM

21. Thank you. K&R

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:11 PM

24. Of course she went to the press. This was a hit job carried out for Hillary Rodham Fucking Clinton.

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:32 PM

48. We can't help you if you don't want to see it.

It's so obvious that DWS is in the bag for HRC.

1. The crappy debate schedule.
2. DWS was one of HRC's 2008 campaign chairs.
3. The data management vendor was founded by DWS's relative and his buddy, who both worked for HRC in 2008.

You don't have to be Jerry Fletcher to figure that one out.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:01 PM

62. heavens, I didn't know about

DWS being related to the data vendor.


This is so much conflict of interest, I don't know where to start!!

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Response to Name removed (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:58 PM

60. did you know:

#1) The cofounder of the 3rd party vendor for the voter data for the DNC (NGP VAN) was the IT manager for Hillary's 2008 campaign
#2) The 2nd in command in the IT department, the fella who answered to the person in item #1 during Hillary's 2008 campaign just happens to be the same person who said he would plead the 5th if he was asked to testify regarding Hillary's email and private server while she was Sec of State.

So, I think that is enuf to make me say "hmmmm, once again Hillary is knee deep in crap" and this time, she had the help of DWS and the DNC, and tried to sting Bernie.

I can imagine that all the above info would have come out had the hearing gone on. Instead, Bernie got his data back (rightfully so) and the lawsuit, although not being dropped, will probably go quiet for a time.

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:12 AM

114. thank you for posting this info.

i certainly hope the lawsuit continues and that "discovery" exposes the dnc, dws, and hc campaign manipulations/entrapment.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #114)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:58 AM

129. same here. eom #FeeltheBern

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Response to Still In Wisconsin (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:26 PM

42. Hey, come on. That was not nice. It was Bill that carried that tag. We don't know about Hil.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:14 PM

26. Excellent point. DWS does indeed need to resign before she

does any more damage to the party and she needs to take her incompetent vendor with her.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:18 PM

32. Not a single "Neutral" person

No one believes that DWS is a neutral person it seems. Isn't that something?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:19 PM

34. Are you sure Clinton hasn't gone to the FBI?

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:21 PM

38. I heard she ate the FBI for lunch.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:23 PM

39. If she had then I would hope she would give them time to investigate before running to the press.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:28 PM

44. Sanders fired an aide. So much more was to be known anyway.

 

The thought it wasn't going to the press yesterday, one way or another, is foolish.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:31 PM

47. Just because a person got fired does not mean that person committed a crime

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:37 PM

49. Please show where I said it did.

 

Though I'm becoming more aware as facts are coming out that's the direction it's going. That's why I want the FBI involved. They make those determinations. Not me.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:38 PM

50. I'm going to guess, "no."

I think if this were independently investigated, we'd probably find that Clinton's staff took advantage of the "glitch" too. Or possibly even that DWS's nephew or brother - whoever he is - who is a VP at NGP VAN - has access to that information and shared it.

It's a bit too cozy.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:43 PM

53. If she had

I'm sure they would have focused their questions on other issues more relevant to the Clintons.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:12 PM

65. why were they having a fund raiser for her? I didn't know FBI salaries were generous

I didn't know FBI salaries were generous enough for that $2700 a plate stuff

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:20 PM

36. Expect Hillary to go into high dudgeon tonight

 

just like she did with Obama in 2008. "Shame on you, Bernie Sanders!" etc.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:52 PM

57. Victimhood is so sweet!

In Bernieworld there is always something to be angry about. Anger fuels the Sanders campaign. From the top down.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:50 PM

109. Anger fuels the Sanders campaign.

 

Oh please....

Yea...anger at what this country has become... and what the Democratic Party has become...

What fuels Clinton's campaign? Just corporate money?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:42 PM

52. I'm not aware if anything has changed since last night

But it was said that the Sander's campaign plans on going forward with the law suit they filed.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:43 PM

54. How telling. nt

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:55 PM

59. K&R!

 

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:09 PM

64. Was a law broken? This all seems to be an internal political party matter.

 

Why would law enforcement be involved in political infighting?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:19 PM

67. Kicked and recommended! What does that tell you?

They were not fooling me anyway.



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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:20 PM

68. Exactly why the press - hmmmm

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #68)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:46 PM

75. Maybe to let the public know the truth before the Bernie Sanders fanatics

made up some lie they could feed his worshippers? Just a guess but that's what it looks like to me.

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #75)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:50 PM

77. ah ya that's it of course why didn't I think of that

because having the FBI or other law enforcement raid his offices wouldn't have made any impression

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:51 PM

78. There's still an ongoing investigation.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:11 PM

79. if a crime was committed

you go to the cops first, especially as they may want you to keep quiet while they investigate. True story, when Richard "the night stalker " Ramirez was killing people, Dianne Fienstein let it loose in a press conference that the killer wore a rare brand of sneaker. Needless to say, Ramirez dumped the shoes, which could have cost one more woman her life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez

So let us say that this WAS and 100 percent, no hint of doubt crime. Debbie yelling to the press not only comes across as a cheap attempt for pop, it shows she is foolish enough to risk comprising the very investigation to that crime. Seriously, this sort of thing is amusing in the primary, but the commercials will write themselves come the general. She NEEDS to be fired. NOW.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:25 PM

86. She really is trying to throw the nomination

 

I just read an article on Salon that equated her with Katherine Harris! You can't get much lower than that.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:38 PM

88. I don't think ANYONE involved has called it a crime.

If you could go into facebook and suddenly see confidential information on all your contacts, you would not have committed any crime. Even if you saved it.

Since there was no crime, there was no reason to go to law enforcement.

There was only a possible breach of contractual rules, which would be a matter of civil action, not criminal action. The proper procedure if the DNC suspected a breach, from what I've seen, would have been for the DNC to notify the Sanders campaign and give them 10 days to address the matter. Even after that, they wouldn't go to law enforcment, they would proceed with legal actions according to the contract.

In short, breaking a contract is not a criminal matter, and not something you go to law enforcement about.

But why the DNC decided to go to the press rather than address their issues quietly and just follow the terms of their agreement is a different question.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:44 PM

89. Right. Because every time there is political infighting, the cops are called.

 

They must be sick and tired of Congress by now.
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Response to randome (Reply #89)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:49 PM

91. + whatever number > than 0. Silly OP

 

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:46 PM

90. There's no crime.

Why should anyone go to law enforcement?

Geez Louise. SMH. This is getting stupid.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:40 PM

93. DWS is truly

..harming the Party.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:52 PM

96. Just as she did in 2008. She bypassed Dean's DNC, took gripes straight to media.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:26 PM

99. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

 


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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:13 PM

103. If she didn't go to the press she would've been accused of secrecy. If she went to the cops....

...she would have been accused of the worst kind of sabotage of the Sanders campaign.

What, EXACTLY, should she have done? Give them cookies and milk?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:49 PM

105. It tells me that Wasserman-Schultz CAN BE ACCUSED of a political smear job

And THAT'S why she needs to resign.

Because she was one of Hillary's previous presidential campaign managers, every breath she takes SHOULD be scrutinized for possible bias in favor of Hillary. We need to have complete confidence and trust in our party's electoral process, and regardless of your opinion of her, she cannot provide it.


rocktivity

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:17 PM

106. Debbie Downer has brought the Democratic Party to a new low, time to go!

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:39 PM

107. It speaks volumes about DWS and Hillary.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:45 PM

108. This scandal has close to zero to do with Sanders.

What is has to do with is the maleficence by DWS, DNC, HRC, and the database vendor to tilt the system in favor of HRC

Sanders is immaterial as like tricks would have been played on whatever candidate within the DP was most competitive to HRC.

Sanders is the outsider and DWS, DNC, HRC, and the database vendor have conflicts of interest because of existing connections.

The rat fuck is blatantly obvious and they do not care how much the DP or the USA are harmed or if the DP loses the 2016 POTUS election because of their antics.

DWS/DNC would have solved the situation in house or at most aggressive gone to law enforcement themselves. Instead they went to the press on a Friday before a POTUS debate and the holidays and backed down immediately when the Sanders campaign rightfully went to court.

My speculation is that is that it is far more likely to the degree of probably being for sure is the HRC has and has used Sanders data and not what has been offered by DWS/DNC.

IMO DWS should resign and HRC should withdraw from the campaign over the holidays.

The folks that are supporting DWS/DNC/HRC in this matter are delusional. look at their track records.

One has to wonder what other institutions that claim to represent the Democratic Party and Democratic Party Ideals are similarly compromised by insiders that have not been forthcoming?

Neoliberals are Machiavellian and in their lust for power are more than willing to harm the Democratic Party and most of the People of the USA.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:54 PM

110. And what's the most important thing we've learned from this:

 

That the campaign data is being "run" by incompetent cronies of DWS.... who is a crony for Clinton.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:58 PM

111. Not only is this disgusting...

.. but the web of "reporting" what happened follows the same sorry ass talking points from the DNC, which is indistinguishable from the Clinton campaign...

which is indistinguishable from the major media outlets...

which is indistinguishable from the local media outlets...

which is indistinguishable from the talking head-bots on the Democratic debate...

which is indistinguishable from what we'll all see tomorrow on Meet the Press or whatever brings this a full circle jerk... including much of what is on DU.

DWS needs to be removed and a full audit of the DNCs records needs to be reviewed by a third party... not a TURD WAY party.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 06:39 AM

120. DWS should go!

Why is she still around? Why!?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 07:08 AM

121. It tells me that she's smart...

... and knows how to outmaneuver.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #121)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 08:50 AM

123. WOW, that's your take?

It tells me and many others that she is as corrupt as they come, destroying democracy as we know it.

Smart? Very questionable.

Manipulative? Absolutely.

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #123)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:01 AM

125. Yes. I wouldn't have said it otherwise.

Why do you doubt me?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 08:56 AM

124. They settled before a lawsuit could be heard.....

...discovery can be a bitch sometimes. They didn't want to give the sanders campaign, and the general public, access to internal discussions on the matter and other things. That is the club the sanders campaign had over the DNC. Outing the political dirty laundry.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:04 AM

127. You should be thankful it wasn't taken to the FBI.

I wouldn't wish for that. It would probably instantly end his campaign when the indictments came down.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #127)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:33 PM

139. Oh, you're right. We should be real quiet now so the FBI won't find out ...

... because I'm sure they don't have televisions in FBI agent offices or homes.

Shhhh!

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 12:56 PM

134. Who's alleging criminal law was broke, OP sounds like a strawman

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 04:38 PM

137. Kick

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