The Third Democratic Debate: The Force is With Her

[tgards79]

You might have missed it if you were out watching Star Wars, but the Force was with Hillary as she once again displayed her formidable command of world affairs in the third Democratic debate, while Bernie failed to adjust to the post-Paris/San Bernadino state of play in the world and in the campaigns.
http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2015/12/the-third-democratic-debate-force-is.html

[BlueJazz]

1. Maybe Bernie knows something she doesn't.

[riversedge]

2. good summary of all 3 debaters...

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Sunday, December 20, 2015
The Third Democratic Debate: The Force is With Her

http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2015/12/the-third-democratic-debate-force-is.html


Steve tells you all you really need to know about the third Democratic debate.



.....snip.....

No matter what you ask Bernie Sanders, his answer is that (name of problem goes here) is rooted in the fact that our economic system is rigged, and that greed on Wall Street and the corruption of the democratic process by wealthy donors have caused a massive transfer of American wealth away from the middle class to a soulless, demonic, one-tenth-of-one-percent of the country. In this particular weekend with Bernie, nothing could be solved until this was fixed, and once it was fixed, everything would be solved.

No matter what you ask Martin O’Malley, there is absolutely nothing about (name of problem goes here) that he has not already taken on and solved completely in his decade as Mayor of Baltimore and then Governor of Maryland. To hear O’Malley tell it, you’d think Maryland had the biggest immigration problem in the universe, since he solved every single problem. The Freddie Gray protesters and the writers of The Wire may disagree, but then again, O’Malley is performing in an entirely different genre of programming that requires neither accountability nor artfulness.

And no matter what you ask Hillary Clinton, she manages to see just how complex (name of problem goes here) really is, efficiently laying out the contrasting approaches to addressing it, the pros and cons of each, and concluding that, in truth, the only real solution is a combination of all of the above. It demonstrates her command of policy, her flexibility and pragmatic approach to problem solving, and her acknowledgment that complex issues will only be solved if we all figure out how to work together in multi-national coalitions, bipartisan legislation, and actions which embrace all races, religions, and ethnicities. In short, it’s what you say when your poll numbers have achieved cruising altitude and you have already moved on to the general election, even as your companions on the stage cling to the delusion that there is a nomination to be contested.




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[tgards79]

46. Thanks...

I laughed out loud when I read it. I thought it was spot on.

[SteveGardner]

60. Thank you!

I enjoyed the summary!

[Cha]

64. Could I please have a link, rivers?

Thank you!

[riversedge]

70. oops. just saw your post. added to OP and here it is...

http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2015/12/the-third-democratic-debate-force-is.html

[Cha]

71. Thanks, I'm sorry I got it later but I didn't want to edit my post..

and I figured we'd just be kicking his awesome OP anyway!

It really is Good!

[JackInGreen]

3. I don't remember jedi war mongering

Only sith, but maybe that's me.

[riversedge]

9. That is because neither Hillary nor the Jedi are war mongering.

?w=500&h=375

[JackInGreen]

11. Gimme a break, given her record

She'd have been ejected from the temple a decade ago. You can argue all you'd like, you'll be wrong cheers.

[riversedge]

25. WE have the Force with us and #ImwithHer

[JackInGreen]

26. You keep it up

You'll make pivot-man someday .

On edit: I saw some other group in that galaxy fond of minimalistic capital imagery, the wrong side, but you keep posting it ayup, the Empire loved splattering everything with its insignia too.

[riversedge]

50. Yoda is humble

[pennylane100]

29. How exactly did she vote in authorizing the Iraq war?

and how did Bernie vote. Remember that was the war to was the lead up to all these problems in that region.

There were not enough votes to stop the war that would eventually destabilizing the whole region. The leaders of the war should have to face war crime tribunals and while we have no grounds to punish those who voted for it, the least we can do is NOT make one of them the the leader of our country. Oh, and Bernie voted No. What a wise man.

[JackInGreen]

35. A jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never attack

Aggression, fear, these are the ways of the Darkside.

[pennylane100]

41. Well I mean no disrespect to the jedi.

In fact, I am embarrassed to say that I do not know exactly what a Jedi is. However, I am about to see my first Star Wars movie when the crowds die down after the holidays. My husband who also knows very little about them suggested that we should see it.

[JackInGreen]

43. None taken

I just take the proposed philosophies kinda serious. Jedi are more Buddhist warrior monks than anything

[99th_Monkey]

4. TIME post-debate poll: who won? Bernie Sanders at 84%

Apparently, viewers feel Bernie won Sat. night resoundingly and decisively.



http://time.com/4154954/democratic-debate-third-poll/?xid=fbshare

[JaneyVee]

6. Are you sure they are viewers? Democrats? Americans?

[99th_Monkey]

14. One thing for sure about the respondents to the TIME poll

they are NOT only that tiny sliver of folks pollsters refer to as "likely Democratic voters", that leaves
out a huge piece of the pie, folks who ARE going to vote in the primary but are excluded from
the polls showing Clinton's leads, i.e. Independents who already have, or will, changed their
registration to D to vote for Bernie, Democrats who have been disaffected and disillusioned so haven't
voted in a while but who love Bernie, and Republicans who are disgusted with the Clown Car who
are likewise changing reg, to vote BERNIE. .. not to mention Millennials with cell phones who
are either left out entirely or are grossly under-counted.

That is what is valuable about these online polls is that it includes unpolled voters who have been
flocking to Sanders campaign since day-one.

[JaneyVee]

16. Except anyone can vote and more than once.

[99th_Monkey]

19. This video is PUBLIC information. So what? Are Clintonistas' fingers all broken?

OR is the 'enthusiasm gap' so huge among Clinton supporters that they just can't be bothered
to vote in online polls?

Your argument for the 'irrelevance' of online polls is less than convincing.

[JaneyVee]

22. It's a waste of time. Why bother?

People have far more important shit to do than vote in a meaningless online poll.

[99th_Monkey]

44. Why bother indeed.

Better to rely on polls that only include Party hacks, and excludes disaffected Dems, Independents,
and R's who are changing registrations to D in massive numbers solely so they can vote for
Bernie in the Primary.

Pease proceed.

[JaneyVee]

45. I'm glad you backed up none of your statements with evidence.

Par the course these days.

[riversedge]

24. Nope no fingers broken --on line polls are silly

[99th_Monkey]

42. Online polls are only "silly" to Clinton peeps because they don't generally favor Hillary

Understandable that you'd want to try to write them off entirely, but also is a bit
disingenuous.

Hell, I don't take online polls as gospel truth either, but they ARE one indicator, just like
the "scientific" polls that leave out huge numbers of Bernie supporters who ARE going
to vote for him in the Primary.

I think they are BOTH useful to a point, and that the actual numbers probably fall
somewhere in between the two

[tgards79]

47. You sound like Romney's pollsters...

....always predicting massive underrepresentation of his supporters. And you know how that worked out...

[99th_Monkey]

49. Hah! Bernie's doing just as good (or better) than Obama was this time in 2007

and we both know how that worked out...

[riversedge]

51. It is not 2007 anymore. The world has changed dramatically

[99th_Monkey]

62. This is FAR from over, Clintonista wish-dreams to the contrary notwithstanding. n/t

n/t

[tgards79]

56. Do you really see any parallels?

It is just not happening for Bernie, even if he manages to win Iowa and NH. He knows it which is why he is so polite.

[99th_Monkey]

63. Bernie just surpassed Obama's number of donors at this time in 2007

and the polling are now about the same as Clinton v. Obama was this time in 2007.

I refuse to buy Her Presumptuousness' mantra of inevitability. This isn't over until
it's over.

[Proserpina]

28. Not true

Go try to do it

[JaneyVee]

30. I have. Voted for Malala 3x for TIME PoY.

[Proserpina]

32. This poll is not set up that way

unless you are going to multiple computers. It records the IPS.

[MrMickeysMom]

18. No... They're psychics, Janey...

They got the message on the psychic channel when it was over to hit the button.

[tgards79]

10. This is clearly an online unscientific poll...

...and, of course, duh, weighted to young people who love Bernie. You cannot conclude anything from this ridiculous poll. It is simply not drawn from a random sample of viewers.

[JackInGreen]

13. And the metrics proposed in other polls are 'random'?

It is, to laugh.

[99th_Monkey]

15. Please see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=929703

[JaneyVee]

5. K AND R!

[Alfresco]

7. The force is with the Democratic Party and Hillary is the tip of the saber.

Happy Holidays!

[riversedge]

8. last night.....

Love this screenshot

?w=500&h=375

[Alfresco]

12. She certainly is giving him The Look.

[riversedge]

27. and I close my eyes when you point that finger...

?w=500&h=375

[Alfresco]

33. He does point a lot. I wonder why that is? hmmm?

[Cha]

65. That's a great Screenshot, rivers! Thank you!

[riversedge]

68. Poaching is grand:-)

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[Cha]

69. Poaching?

I'm sure they won't mind?

[riversedge]

72. good eye Cha. I fixed my typo

[Cha]

73. I'm a spelling fanatic.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. The following post was all it took for this Neutral Democrat to get Banished from Hillary Group.

Ugh, another Star Wars reference... as Disney offshores millions using a tax dodge to Luxembourg.

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Disney and Koch industries have one major thing in common, they both use E&Y to dodge US Taxes!


How much of this movie's profits will get parked offshort at 0.75% tax, while lobbying for a tax amnesty to repatriate it?



http://www.icij.org/project/luxembourg-leaks/new-leak-reveals-luxembourg-tax-deals-disney-koch-brothers-empire

http://www.reuters.com/article/luxembourg-tax-disney-idUSL6N0TT4EM20141210



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Added for this post...


Half of the time I don't see what group I am in, just responding to the Latest threads. I just write my thoughts--not living in some safe space.


I'm a PoliSci continuing ed student, a neutral, a staunch Democrat who will vote for the Democrat nominee.

I posted a comment geared towards Disney, and the movie's hype, with nothing against HRC.

Yet, I've been banned from the Hillary Group now. Funny, I'm an EFF supporter who views censorship and community differently.


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But, I do know one thing, the sensitivity to my post was very enlightening and could be discouraging to most.

I posted a reply about someone being banned on another thread, it was apparently on a Sander's Group. It explains more.


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I'll still remain neutral, voting for Hillary if or when she gets the nomination, and supporting everyone when there is injustice elsewhere here.


A true Democrat will support the nominee, that's the way it should be. Some here, who post things counter is revolting to me. I defended the banning of Manny in an earlier post, as it is Skinner's site and people who profess to be Dems should not act as factions against that cause.


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[sonofspy777]

20. The Force = DNC nt

[JackInGreen]

36. Only out by Byss

Or Castle Bast.

[SunSeeker]

21. K & R

[Jack-o-Lantern]

23. Let’s be honest here, this poll is nonsense.

[JackInGreen]

37. The eff is wring with you?

Edit the spoiler now please.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

38. That poster should be tombstoned. And I said so in jury service...

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On Sun Dec 20, 2015, 05:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm voting for the Candidate on the side of the Light
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=929884

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Ep 7 spoilers?! Really? HIDE.

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Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not nice. The Force is not with you.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have no idea what Ep7 spolier is. Is this a secret code? Sheesh. Speak english if you're going to alert.....
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I was gonna leave it but dayum you're right, she's giving away the whole thing LOL!!!
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[JackInGreen]

39. I don't think so myself

But spoilers of that magnitude need to be kept off everywhere, Ive been dodging entertainment sites left n right. Just to avoid that, but I get it from DU? Bad form, BAD fucking form.

[bigwillq]

57. Tombstoned?

Are you serious? Over a movie?

[Capt. Obvious]

59. That is a bit over the top

I can understand if it were a new Harry Potter book.

[AuntPatsy]

61. Lol

[Decoy of Fenris]

52. The Hidden Post Above reveals major Star Wars Spoilers. Do not open if you don't want spoilers.

Not meant to be to you, Jack, but I can't respond to the hidden post.

Son of a bitch, I got a week without getting spoiled and some random scrub on DU of all places got me. Ugh. I mean, I had my suspicions given (unnamed actor's) past concerning the Wars universe, but still.

[Ferd Berfel]

34. ..THe Dark Side of the Force yes. THe Corporate Dark Side

[Cha]

66. Oh, you have a sad 'cause the Force is with Hillary?

[Ferd Berfel]

74. Sad that creatures of Wall Street are calling themselves Dems

And seemingly getting away with it.

[Alfresco]

40. A Forceful Kick.

[jfern]

48. The force of the DNC and corporate media, yes

[Nyan]

53. Wall Street is with her

[CBGLuthier]

54. Well one thing about Clinton she knows how to read a poll and tell which way the wind is blowing

Of course, that is why I do not care for her, but hey, if you want to admire people who really have no values other than what the polls say they should fine.

[Katashi_itto]

55. True she would make a great Senator Palpatine.

/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/230?cb=20071014001225

[Warren DeMontague]

58. The "post paris/san bernadino (sic) state of play"... Yeah, right.

Terra terra terra! Ratings ratings ratings!

Allso, there was another shooting in there, remember? Crazy anti abortion dude? Hmmm, doesnt fit the media narrative. Down the memory hole!

Climate change? Quick, change the subject.

Sort of like how the minute sanders brought up the eminently reasonable (and politically popular ) idea of removing marijuana from federal scheduling, the moderators steered the conversation towards "the pressing crisis of our heroin scourge"

Hey, drug war gravy train types need to go christmas shopping too, citizen!

[Cha]

67. The Force is with Hillary!

And no matter what you ask Hillary Clinton, she manages to see just how complex (name of problem goes here) really is, efficiently laying out the contrasting approaches to addressing it, the pros and cons of each, and concluding that, in truth, the only real solution is a combination of all of the above. It demonstrates her command of policy, her flexibility and pragmatic approach to problem solving, and her acknowledgment that complex issues will only be solved if we all figure out how to work together in multi-national coalitions, bipartisan legislation, and actions which embrace all races, religions, and ethnicities. In short, it’s what you say when your poll numbers have achieved cruising altitude and you have already moved on to the general election, even as your companions on the stage cling to the delusion that there is a nomination to be contested

Mahalo tgards!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. "The Force" being the likes of Goldman Sachs and other lovable donors.

http://blog.chron.com/hottopics/2015/12/the-top-donors-to-hillary-clintons-super-pacs/

[riversedge]

76. REC-yes the Force is with Hillary