Important Editorial: Hillary Clinton Should Withdraw Now!

[MineralMan]

Clinton Cannot Win Nomination for President

by
H. A. Looserman

By now, it must be obvious to Democratic Candidate Hillary Clinton that she has no chance of becoming the Democratic nominee for President. Based on selected online polls, she is clearly not the choice of The American People™. Bernie Sanders is obviously the presumptive candidate at this point, a month before the Iowa primary caucuses and other February primary elections.

Corporate polling, of course, paints a different picture, but real voters know better. Ask yourself this: "Have I ever been polled by a phony corporate polling company?" The answer is clearly no. You've voted multiple times in online polls, though, conducted after a debate. You know the truth. I know the truth. I am a political pundit who has published articles in prominent places, such as Huffington Post, after all.

Given the obvious facts, it is time, I believe, for Hillary Clinton to withdraw from this campaign. By continuing, she is only perpetuating the false hopes of the majority of Democratic voters. Why would she do that? And Bill Clinton. That should not be forgotten, either. He's no better than a philandering sex addict, after all. Why would anyone vote for a wife who stuck with him after his serial misdeeds?

By withdrawing now, Ms. Clinton will escape the criticism she is sure to face from Republicans and the humiliation of having no delegates supporting her at the Democratic Nominating Convention. Why would she put herself through all that after all? If she pulls out now, she'll skip all the mess and confusion and let the choice of The American People™, Bernie Sanders, run in November. He'll be the nominee anyhow, so why not cut her losses now? I mean, really...

As the most knowledgeable political pundit writing today on a variety of important Internet websites, I'm just giving her the advice her campaign team should be giving her. Withdraw now, Hillary! Save yourself the embarrassment of a certain defeat at the convention. Listen to The American People™, for goodman's sake and do what you know you need to do.

http://www.newsyoushouldntbelieve.com

Note: Permission granted by NYSB to post complete article.

[jkbRN]

1. Errr, you sure do go out of your way to slam HA Goodman,

It's really quite sad.

[MineralMan]

3. Who?

[kristopher]

31. This Guy - The One Whose Character You Are Trying to Assassinate

H. A. Goodman
Columnist published in The Cleveland Plain Dealer, The Baltimore Sun, The Hill, Salon, The Jerusalem Post

In 2016, Bernie Sanders Will Defeat Clinton and Dominate Trump to Become President
Posted: 01/01/2016 10:56 am

On November 8, 2016 Bernie Sanders will achieve a dominant victory over Donald Trump. Already, Sanders defeats Trump in the polls by a wider margin than Hillary Clinton, as illustrated in a December 22, 2015 Hill article titled "In blockbuster poll, Sanders destroys Trump by 13 points":

Stop the presses! According to a new poll by Quinnipiac University on Tuesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) destroys Republican candidate Donald Trump in a general election by 13 percentage points. In this new poll, Sanders has 51 percent to Trump's 38 percent.
If this margin held in a general election, Democrats would almost certainly regain control of the United States Senate and very possibly the House of Representatives.
It is noteworthy that in this Quinnipiac poll, Sanders runs so much stronger than Clinton against Trump...

In the December 22 poll, Bernie Sanders defeats Trump by 13 points, while Clinton beats Trump by 7 points.

There are numerous reasons Bernie Sanders will achieve this dominant victory over a billionaire xenophobe who panders to the fears and base passions of conservatives. First, Bernie Sanders warns against the influence of money and power in politics, and "welcomes the hatred" of the billionaire class that Trump personifies. Sanders won the Congressional Award from the Veterans of Foreign Wars, while Trump insulted Vietnam Veteran and former POW John McCain. There are a great many other reasons that I'll highlight in the future, when Sanders becomes the Democratic nominee. Overall, Bernie Sanders genuinely cares about ending wealth inequality and perpetual wars, while Trump is a buffoon who's spent most of his time making headlines for outrageous statements.

Most importantly, Sanders is the antithesis of Trump and gives voters a stark contrast in choice; not so with Hillary. POLITICO writes that Clinton "received donations from both him and son Donald Trump Jr. on separate occasions in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, according to state and federal disclosure records." You'll never get a Clinton supporter to address these donations, or why Trump once felt it would be advantageous to become one of Clinton's donors.

Trump also gave $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation, in either a moment of pure altruism, or another campaign donation akin to Clinton's foreign donor scandal.

While the recent Quinnipiac poll shows Clinton defeating Trump, the underlying data shows that generally, Americans don't trust the former Secretary of State. 59 percent of American voters believe Clinton is "not honest and trustworthy...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/in-2016-bernie-sanders-defeat-clinton-trump_b_8902400.html

[UglyGreed]

33. "This Guy - The One Whose Character You Are Trying to Assassinate"

MM sure does spend a lot of time doing that doesn't he?

[MineralMan]

34. Ah, that guy...

[riversedge]

65. haha Another author-website sees how sillly and stupid Goodman is. ha ha.

[bunnies]

142. Another website owned by a DUer. Shocking eh?

[Scootaloo]

4. It must be love

[MineralMan]

6. Natch!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Mineral Man is our very own Mencken./nt

[bvf]

37. Oh, spare us.

We had our very own Feynman, too, until s/he got PPR'd.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Not familiar with his work, sir.

But I would be a liar if I didn't say I am not above wanting to hear the latest bit of gossip. Who got PPR'd.

[bvf]

44. What made you assume I was talking about a man?

Pretty sexist of you, IMO.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Now, you know that is a unfair charge.

Last edited Fri Jan 1, 2016, 04:45 PM - Edit history (2)

I merely asked who was PPR'd and referred to a gender. Why would you infer/imply I believe PPRing has a gender bias?




P.S. I actually like you. You seem to have more of a sense of humor than many of your associates. I hope the feeling is mutual. I referred to you as sir, not the PPRD victim:

Not familiar with his work, sir.

[bvf]

67. No, not an unfair charge at all.

I'll forgo the cheap shot as obvious bait for the nonce.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. I called you sir, sir.

Not familiar with his work, sir.

But I would be a liar if I didn't say I am not above wanting to hear the latest bit of gossip. Who got PPR'd.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251965172#post39

his=Feynman

[bvf]

74. Great. You called me "sir."

Get in line for your medal.

It's big, shiny, and made of aluminum. You'll love it!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. I like your sense of humor, sir. It distinguishes you from your associates.

[bvf]

76. Yeah, you said that already.

I'm still waiting for our interlocutor to finish his Google search for "Phyllis Diller" before he gives his OK on my new sig line.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. I don't get the reference to Phyllis Diller, sir. I would be much obliged if you elucidated on it.

Thank you in advance.

[bvf]

78. The whole Peppermint Patty act is getting stale.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

79. That is another allusion I do not get , sir. Maybe your humor is too high brow for me.

I am more partial to sophomoric humor.

[bvf]

80. Or maybe...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. I bet you liked Benny Hill on PBS.

I am more of a Howard Stern aficionado. My tastes tend toward the plebeian. I rather go to a NBA game than an opera.

[bvf]

83. Did you learn a new word today?

And who is Benny Hill? Please elucidate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. Some British comedian that other people thought was funny...

Some British comedian that other people thought was funny...


My favorite moment in college was when this gentleman in my Humanities class loudly proclaimed "I don't like the arts" and walked out of the classroom, never to return. I thought his assessment was off, but interesting nonetheless.

That being said I would prefer a Monet to a Velvet Elvis.

[bvf]

85. Oh.

How about that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. I guess that ends this tete a tete. I eagerly look forward to the next one. In the interim, be well.

[bvf]

89. It's actually

"tête-à-tête," but don't let that put you off of your laughable pretentiousness

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. That seems like a bit of arrant pedantry but in any case my $299.00 Lenovo doesn't...

That seems like a bit of arrant pedantry but in any case my $299.00 Lenovo doesn't have accent marks*. Being a plebeian has its drawbacks.


As an aside I have lavished you with praise. Your attacks won't dissuade me from the path I have chosen.



*Actually, I am not sure about that. It does have accent marks but it won't allow me to go back and put them over a letter. If you want to buy me a better computer I am not too proud to decline your offer.

[bvf]

91. You're not sure that

your computer has accent marks?

That's a new one, for sure.

ETA:



/ETA

Complete nonsense aside, do a quick search on "assistive technology." You might be amazed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

92. It has accent marks but I am flummoxed as how to use them.

If I type in a letter and try to go back to place an accent mark over the letter the letter gets erased.

In the future instead of writing tete- a- tete I will just copy and paste tête-à-tête.


As an aside here is tête-à-tête written without accent marks:

Putin hosts PM Modi for private tete-a-tete; to hold talks today
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jykw6f8

Would you agree we seem to be mired in the picayune?

P.S.

Tete-a-tete (pronounced tet-uh-tet) comes from the French tête-à-tête, which translates literally to head to head. In English, we use it mainly as (1) a noun meaning a private conversation between two people, (2) an adjective meaning involving two people conversing in private, and (3) an adverb meaning done in private between two people.

These are its conventional meanings, anyway. The phrase is also sometimes used to mean a match or competition between two people, and it’s sometimes used to refer to meetings or conversations that are not necessarily private or limited to two people.

We usually italicize loanwords and loan phrases that are new to English, but tete-a-tete has been in English for at least three centuries, so it usually goes unitalicized in normal use.

The phrase sometimes appears in English texts with the French accent marks. English speakers are not kind to these marks, though, and the anglicized, unaccented form is much more common.

http://grammarist.com/usage/tete-a-tete/

[bvf]

93. You're a hoot.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

94. Thank you, I think.

[bvf]

95. Yes, you are correct to thank me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. I am glad I have earned your approval...I can pierce even the strongest veils.

[bvf]

98. Sure you are.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. I genuinely like you and hope the feeling is mutual./nt

[bvf]

102. I don't go through life

worrying about who likes me. YMMV.

[Bonobo]

106. LOL, "Peppermint Patty Act"... In another thread he is offering me therapy, like Lucy.

He must have watched the Charlie Brown Christmas show or something.

[bvf]

108. Yes, I saw that. Exactly! n/t

[MineralMan]

48. Richard Feynman?

He died in 1988. Who was imitating him here?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. If he died in 1988 how did he get PPRd in a site that was created in 2001?

[MineralMan]

52. Beats me.

Theoretical physics is one of my favorite things, though.

I studied his work way back when...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_diagram

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. You and bvf are smarter than this plebeian. This is the first I heard of him.

[MineralMan]

57. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would be

DU's Feynman. Not much talk about theoretical physics here, as far as I've seen. Maybe the poster was talking about someone else and misspelled the name. I don't know. Truly, there's not a lot of reason for most people to have heard of him, despite his 1965 Nobel Prize. I can't imagine why he would come up on DU at all, really.

Maybe the poster will expand on this a little.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. I like bvf. He seems to be more jovial than most of his associates.

Maybe his lightheartedness will rub off on them. One can hope.

[MineralMan]

59. We had a theoretical physicist on DU?

I guess I missed that poster, whoever it was. Why would talking about subatomic physics get someone PPRed?

[Bonobo]

105. Good god.

That reminds me of the post you made comparing bravenak, being put on time out, to Jesus being crucified.

Mencken? Mencken?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

110. I was right on both counts. Please don't expect an alterable response from me.

Thank you in advance.

[bvf]

113. "alterable response"?

What does that even mean?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

118. I think you have become my greatest fan. I am actually flattered.

I think you have become my greatest fan. I am actually flattered.

In fact given our fondness for one another we need to be on a first name basis. My name is Brian.

If you want I would be happy to send you an autographed photo for your birthday.

[bvf]

119. That has got to be

one of the creepiest responses I've ever seen directed my way, and I won't even detail the crap I've seen on usenet.

I'll spare you the alert.

[Number23]

145. !!

[bvf]

115. WTF?? I dimly recall the dust-up,

but I must have missed this!

Really?

[Bonobo]

116. Yep, looked like it belonged on black velvet too.

On a cross, I am not shitting you.

Some posts are windows into a person's mind and that was one of them for me.

[bvf]

144. Yeesh! n/t

[Gothmog]

2. That is great satire

[bvf]

55. No, it's not.

This is great satire:

http://www.theonion.com/article/bernie-sanders-refuses-flashy-abc-podium-favor-own-51845

NYSB is, to put it kindly, the aluminum standard.

[MineralMan]

60. Aluminum is an extremely valuable metal in its own right.

It's far more useful than gold, really, and has far more uses than gold, too. I certainly own more things made of aluminum than of gold. I'll bet you do, too.

Like gold, it has also been used in jewelry, particularly in years past when it was very costly to produce. Even today, though, jewelry is made of lowly aluminum.

[bvf]

63. Well, it's certainly plentiful and cheap,

as are most attempts at humor that absolutely clutter the internet.

[MineralMan]

64. Any humor I create is not only cheap, but absolutely free.

One needn't pay for it, and I have an endless supply ready at hand.

[bvf]

73. That's why I never paid to see Phyllis Diller.

But I have been in the market for a new signature line.

You mind?

ETA:

"Yes" or "no"? This isn't theoretical physics, y'know.

[MineralMan]

97. I ain't got time for that now.

I got some groceries-Some peanut butter-to last a couple of days...

[bvf]

101. Fail. Yes or no?

[MineralMan]

104. Foil. Aluminum foil.

[bvf]

111. Yes or no?

Congratulations on your recent discovery of serendipitous vowel substitution, btw. Very good, if you're eight years old.

Yes or no?

[Gothmog]

109. Goodman's works are so stupid that they are fitting subjects of satire

HA Goodman is a joke and so it is appropriate to laugh at his attempts at political analysis

[bvf]

112. *Anything* is a fitting subject of satire.

If you don't know that, then you don't understand the concept.

The challenge is in the execution. Seeing that is apparently beyond your grasp.

[Gothmog]

128. HA Goodman's attempts at political analysis are so sad that they are in their own category

It is really sad when Sanders supporters post Goodman's sad attempts at analysis and then are offended when people laugh at Goodman

[nc4bo]

7. Hubby gave me a great fishing rod for Christmas!

Can't wait to learn how to fish!

I bet there's some experienced DUers who can give me terrific pointers especially on the topic of hooks and proper baits.

[MineralMan]

8. Cool! I love fishing.

Ask me anything, and I'll try to help. But, this is probably not the thread for that. You could send me DUMail with your questions.

[nc4bo]

15. Seriously! I've got alot research to do before spring gets here.

I know how to crab but not fish.

Would also love to get out into a little salt not just the lakes.

He didn't get me any gear other thsn the rod so lots of prep to do.

So not just pure snark.

[MineralMan]

62. Well, good luck with your angling.

There are tons of websites on fishing of all types, and you'll find all the information you need on Google, wherever you live and whatever fish you're looking to catch.

Any day spent fishing is far better than any day spent working. That much is certain.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. H.A. Goodman is an outlier who does not represent most Sanders supporters.

But you knew that. In any event, you seem to be working remarkably hard to discredit someone most people don't give a crap about anyhow.

[MineralMan]

11. Well, that's good to hear. He gives bad advice.

I hope nobody's taking him seriously. Really. Still, his writings sure seem to show up on DU a lot, don't they?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. Conflating a candidate with his/her supporters is rather ridiculous, if you ask me.

There are a fair number of asshats on both "sides." I do not allow their asshattery to influence me one way or the other.

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. "someone most people don't give a crap about anyhow"? ...

There is a post a day from Goodman, here on DU ... mostly posted (or re-posted) by Bernie supporters.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. A handful of Bernie supporters on DU is not "most people."

I don't take Goodman very seriously - like I said, he's pretty much an outlier. But people (including Goodman) are entitled to their opinions, which one can take or leave. I also suspect some people are reccing or citing Goodman on the basis of the articles' headlines and haven't actually read the entire articles. I support Bernie because of what he is doing and saying, not because of the opinions or commentary of anybody else - including the denizens of DU, pro or con.

[NurseJackie]

46. Perhaps a "handful" of Goodman OP's ... but many many more "Recommends" ...

... how does one account for those? What are we to make of that?

[MineralMan]

72. Pretty much any post that dumps on Hillary Clinton is

guaranteed approximately 200 recs. I'm not sure what that means for the primary voting, though. Not much, I imagine.

[OilemFirchen]

10. Her persistent dandruff may be a symptom of a mental disorder.

Is it work the risk?

[MineralMan]

12. Well, that, too, but people shouldn't hold a

health condition against her. That wouldn't be right.

[OilemFirchen]

16. Hey! If you can't make fun of dead keratinocytes...

what can you make fun of?

[Betty Karlson]

13. Shoot that messenger! Is he dead yet? eom

[MineralMan]

29. Well, that's standard operation procedure.

Being a messenger is a dangerous job, you know.

[Betty Karlson]

87. It is when Clinton's minions are abroad...

[still_one]

14. Sounds like Dick (toes) Morris

[jberryhill]

17. Did you look at other headlines on that site?

"2016 General Election To Be Conducted On Social Media"

It's called "News You Shouldn't Believe" and is apparently one person's idea of humor.

Is there a reason to use sarcastic blog posts just to stir shit here?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Do you have the same objections when Mr. Goodman is cited here?

Thank you in advance.


The only difference between Mr. Goodman and Mr Looserman, imho, is the former doesn't realize his writing is satirical while the latter does.

[MineralMan]

23. I did. I have that site bookmarked and check

it regularly for new posts. When a new one appears, I often post it here, too.

[comradebillyboy]

18. The parody is not nearly as ridiculous as actual Goodman articles...

but thanks for the post it's good for a laugh

[MineralMan]

25. It would be very difficult to be that ridiculous.

Or so I believe, anyhow.

[Buzz Clik]

19. That HA Looserman is a real loser, man.

[mmonk]

20. Great satire. Everybody knows corporations are

created for the betterment of the common good and all their actions are to produce a great society to take care of us all and make everyone rich, not just their stockholders at any expense to anything or anybody.

[MineralMan]

24. I'm rarely sure what "everyone" knows, really.

I do know that most people I know work for a corporation, though, and depend on their regular paychecks. Is that what you mean?

[TSIAS]

28. Meh

At least Third Way Manny's satire was funny. This, not so much.

[MineralMan]

35. Oh, sorry. Humor is in the brain of the beholder, I guess.

[UglyGreed]

30. Off topic

but I noticed you post a lot of links from this "obscure" blog, perhaps a bit of self promotion?

[MineralMan]

36. You noticed that, did you?

Very perceptive of you, I'm sure. Any promotion is welcome, of course. I'm tired of being my own boss. I could use a promotion.

[UglyGreed]

38. Or more hits

clickety click

[MineralMan]

40. What good would clicks do for the owner of that site?

It has no ads and so generates zero income. Clickbait sites earn money from visits when visitors click other links.

Confidentially, the only visits to that website come from DU and do nothing for its owner. It exists only as a holding place for writers of satirical material. I thought that was obvious. Clicks, in themselves, have zero value to anyone.

[UglyGreed]

41. So it's just a way for

writers like yourself to share snark without being called out for what you write. I understand now. Thank you.

[MineralMan]

42. Is it? You seem confused about how the Internet works.

Oh, well...

[UglyGreed]

47. I may be confused how the internet works

but I understand how one could protect themselves from slander accusations and perhaps lawsuits.

[MineralMan]

50. See, the thing is that satire is satire.

Poking at public figures is fair game, really. Everyone seems to do it. Satire is protected expression, generally.

[UglyGreed]

56. So then the writers

at the blog should have no fear to present their material under their own names. Unless they do not want what they write there to be associated with their "brand"

[MineralMan]

58. Is your name really UglyGreed?

I sort of doubt it, actually. There are many reasons to write pseudonymously, it seems. Most DUers use a pseudonym. I don't think they "fear to present their material under their own names," though. Do you?

Irony is a funny thing, isn't it?

[UglyGreed]

69. All I know if

I were a writer and proud of the work I have done I would gladly have my name associated with what I have produced. Of course if I felt the work is below standard or I could face repercussions then I can see why one would use such a blog. BTW some writers like Pitt used their real names even here on DU.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

82. The Internet works on BGPv4. AMA.

[Dawson Leery]

32. H.A Goodman is the Rush Limbaugh of the left.

[TekGryphon]

43. Meanwhile, the Hillary Team has raised a record $18 million for down-ticket Democrats

How much has the Bernie Campaign raised for the progressive movement, beyond himself?

[MineralMan]

45. I have no idea. The joint agreement he has with

the DNC might raise some money for those down-ticket candidates, but I haven't seen any numbers. I'm not interested enough to go look, really.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Those chits will come in handy./nt

[riversedge]

66. Great to hear that. Thanks.

[ismnotwasm]

68. This is the funniest thread I've read in a long time

I thank you!

[MineralMan]

70. It was my pleasure, I assure you.

I've been enjoying the responses.

[bobbobbins01]

88. Conservatives have a notoriously bad sense of humor.

This does nothing to dispel that generalization.

[NCTraveler]

100. K&R

[liberal N proud]

103. Propaganda designed to appeal to a very specific set of supporters

And only reposted for the same

[Attorney in Texas]

107. How'd the smug front-runner shit play out for the Crown-Highness-Now! crowd in 2008?

** insert George Santayana quote here**

[bvf]

117. Oh, that last one is great... n/t

[treestar]

114. funny

[Katashi_itto]

120. Ever notice conservatives are unable to do humor/satire?

[MineralMan]

121. Humor is in the mind of the reader.

Not everyone finds the same things to be funny, I guess. Further, satire is not necessarily humorous in nature. In fact, it's often not funny at all.

Thanks for taking the time to reply to the thread.

[Katashi_itto]

122. It seems to be an ongoing belief by conservatives that they are indeed funny.

[MineralMan]

123. That could be, but I don't know any conservatives well.

I couldn't say much about conservatives with any real confidence.

[Katashi_itto]

124. Your saying that makes the irony that much thicker.

[MineralMan]

125. I see. Well, OK then...

I've certainly had to grow a thicker skin here. That's for sure.

[Katashi_itto]

126. No offense but considering your background I would see that you would need to.

[MineralMan]

127. No offense, eh?

Well, I never take offense, unless it's just lying around. I'm done with this subthread, though. The floor is yours.

[Katashi_itto]

130. No offense was sincerely meant

After all you are the one who is the former freeper who came here right?

[Katashi_itto]

129. Personally I like some of your writings. However that doenst stop me from looking at you

as a staunch conservative whose party (The Republicans) have simply gone so far over the edge you cant even identify with them.

So you came here because 3rd way has managed to subvert our party into basically 80s Republicanism.

But that's simply my take on you, an opinion meaningless in the large scale of things.

Like I said I do like some of the things you write.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

131. MM said he cast his first vote for JFK and has voted Democratic ever since.

Unless he was being untruthful I don't believe he is or has ever been a Republican.

Wouldn't the best way to ascertain what someone is and what ideology he or she subscribes to is to ask him?

Thank you in advance.


Maybe we should establish a litmus test.

[Katashi_itto]

132. Why dont you ask him about some of his posts about Gays and such sundries

back on Freeper. Oh wait, he must have evolved since then. Thats it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

133. I wasn't aware of that. I rarely frequent that board

I wasn't aware of that. I rarely frequent that board unless it is when one of their own is on the wrong side of a political battle and then it is only to observe and revel in their misery.

[Katashi_itto]

134. Np

He was a longtime Freeper. Who has since "converted"

Personally I simply think the Republican party has just moved to far to the right for him. Leaving him the Democratic 3rd way as an option.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

136. I did go there to revel in their misery when DADT was repealed and when PBO was elected & re-elected

I had a buddy in the 80s who was retired USAF. He happened to be bisexual. He said the best sex he ever had was in the Air Force. As I remember there was a huge purge of Freepers who basically took the good ole American position that if someone wants to serve their country they should be able to, period.

[Katashi_itto]

137. Before my time, when I served it was starting to be a big thing. I knew several

people who were gay and it was a huge issue for them on if they should come out or not.

I guess it was the sort of beginnings of their civil rights movement.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

139. I know my buddy didn't come out in the 70s.

He was a competitive bodybuilder and he was more upset that the Air Force disturbed his training regimen.

[Katashi_itto]

140. Lol. Well that is a reason to be upset

[DemocratSinceBirth]

143. When he got out he did the whole Venice Beach thing.

But he wanted to work out twice a day for three hours. Now I know Uncle Sam isn't going to pay you to spend forty hour a week in a gym.

I had another buddy, Air Force, again, must be a coincidence, or maybe they figured out it's the best way to avoid fighting in a rice paddy or getting too close to the enemy. He took the aptitude test and was promised he could learn to become a flight mechanic. After he enlisted they made him a chef. He was so distraught that he went to the Chaplain. The Chaplain instructed him to give it a chance. He actually ended up liking it and made a killer lasagna.

[MineralMan]

138. Actually, I was still in high school in 1960,

but I did volunteer to work on JFK's campaign. My first vote in a presidential election was in 1968, while I was serving in the USAF. I voted for Hubert Humphrey, and got Richard Nixon, instead. Ironically, I got introduced to Nixon while on the job and had to say, "Good morning, Mr. President," since I was in uniform at the time.

I have never, even once, voted for any Republican for any office.

[MineralMan]

135. I'm a lifelong Democrat, not a Republican.

I encourage you to be careful in your characterizations of people with whom you disagree. It's very easy to be very incorrect.

[Katashi_itto]

141. Yep, whatever you say.