2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLooks like the MSM, in the face of becoming politically expendable, has canceled The Big Ignore
I believe the media thought if it just ignored Bernie Sanders, his campaign would wither away. He could not compete with Hillary Clinton without media coverage, so s l o w l y he would go away ... down ... and out.
But go away he did not. He wagered if he just played his cards well by sending out his message via alternative media, many would hear and line up to support him. Surprisingly enough, the line to do so grew so huge THE BIG IGNORE could no longer survive. The broadcast and print media gradually began to realize that while in the past they could make or break a candidacy, today a candidate is demonstrating the MSM's words and cameras are in fact expendable.
The MSM is no longer a political king- or queen-maker.
Lightning bolts struck when the MSM realized it could no longer ignore that object in its rear view mirror which kept getting BIGGER and BIGGER. Suddenly cameras are returning to capture the man upon whom the MSM had tried to force sudden political death. He had lived to fight another day! And another! Numbers climbed to startling heights.
Death by media dehydration had not killed the candidate's revolutionary run. It had made apparent success could be achieved with or without the MSM. Rather than become a dinosaur in a political cemetery, the MSM reconnoitered its position and came out in the open to stay in the game. Lights, cameras and action for Bernie Sanders are starting to happen. Why?
Because rather than go away, he lived to fight another day, and in so doing, won a striking victory over The Big Ignore.
Sam
Postscript: It is well past time Martin O'Malley be given his fair share of a place in the sun. Certainly, many of the Republicans are highlighted, even those most assume will be dropping out of the race soon. Martin O'Malley is an outstanding politician with a wonderful record of achievements. He too has been victimized by The Big Ignore.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)have made it purpose to not let the M$M ignore Bernie. Our constant E-mails and many with twiter keep pounding away at their sites. These folks have gotten the message because they the media need these platforms in order to survive. And their advertisers are very away of what is going on and they do not want to lose sales.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Perhaps I should say "right on the money" because that phrase would more likely get their attention!
Thanks for posting on my thread.
Sam
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)!
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Bernie and Jane.
Joe and Mika were respectful?
Gave me a tiny degree of hope, also made me suspicious.
They were almost too nice.........
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I wonder why....
Thanks for posting on my thread.
Sam
mahina
(18,795 posts)A first!
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)it is a whole new ballgame.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)and I have to wonder if the new person recently put in charge is a forward thinking person who saw the writing on the wall. This was truly a sudden change of pace for that show, and there has to be a reason for that. I can think of no other than the network realized this was going to happen with or without them, and they needed to strike a blow for their relevancy and right now.
And this is a good thing for all political candidates, now and in the future.
Thanks for posting on my thread.
Sam
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)as much I would like to believe there might be a forward thinking person in the mainstream media, it is not something I would want to bet on, most are well constrained by their superiors.
Maybe we have seen a change, for now I will just observe.
You are welcome and it is my pleasure
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)the greedy M$M see more $'s in their sights if they can milk the dem primary for all it's worth.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)and thought they wanted to grab a share of the pie. Could that be it?
Sam
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)B is starting to spend some too.
Also, programming talking heads to endlessly prattle about political horse races is cheaper than actually covering news or issues. win-win.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)You know Comcast made a statement that it did not want any commentators who were anti-TPP. I am sure you know many involved with the media helped draft that piece of legislation, so NBC/Comcast were not going to offer free time for politicians campaigning against it to have a platform.
The preference for Hillary to win, the ad money, protecting the TPP -- these three things greatly shape what they do when, I believe. They have also developed that "I shall control the reporting" mindset Rupert Murdock has.
Thank you for posting on my thread.
Sam
KoKo
(84,711 posts)mention the Koch Brothers funding elections. I thought MSNBC would edit that out of the Morning Joe Video when I went there later to post the link here. They left it in. But then, Morning Joe's ratings have been tanking so maybe they needed a bounce and leaving in the Koch Bros. comment in was worth the price to get hits on website for the interview they did with Bernie which might get Bernie supporters checking them out and giving ratings bounce for the ratings bounce.
I read that their show now has a Fox News Business guy in charge since they expanded to three hours. I think he started Jan 1. I already thought "Morning Joe" was like a Fox Show....so I don't know if they can get any worse.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I quit watching it forever ago! In the beginning, I thought Mika Brzezinski would do a good job counter-balancing Joe Scarboro. I was extremely disappointed to see she did not. I too have wondered if having Bernie Sanders on was a desperation move to lift their ratings, but I really don't see Bernie Sanders' supporters making that show a part of their morning routine.
Thanks for posting on my thread, KoKo.
Sam
LittleGirl
(8,374 posts)our cable provides CNBC and CNN international here in Basel Switzerland and we've seen a lot of Bernie. Of course, we see way too much Trump but we've had several opportunities lately to see Bernie being interviewed just this week.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Good to know. I wonder if we will hear from others in different countries about what they are seeing.
Thank you so much for posting on this thread.
Sam
LittleGirl
(8,374 posts)of the Democrats abroad and I've been a supporter of his since 08. I lived in the states from 09-14 and we saw Bernie on the Ed Show on MSNBC many times. I've seen him on Meet the Press and that CNN sunday show just this week. I haven't been to any 'watch parties' for the debates but there is a lot of interest in Bernie here.
You see, if you live in Europe, you see how socialism works. It works quite well too.
We have public transportation the envy of 'Merica and smooth pot hole free roads (most countries).
MJ is decriminalized.
They still make shit here. Manufacturing is still a positive economic workplace. Most of them shut down over Christmas and New Years and I mean shut down for days.
Some of the grocery stores weren't even open so you have to plan your life.
Schools are top notch. The students graduate from high school knowing three languages here.
We rarely see homeless people unlike some of the major cities in the US.
And, there are far far fewer guns on holsters here and those are the police that I rarely see either.
You know...civilized.
Income tax is 10%, sales tax is 19% and included in the price of the item so no surprises when you make a purchase.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)election result our president becomes any of the Repug Stooges, would you and others in your country please petition your govt. to plan a full scale invasion & takeover of ours? I mean, at one time we did take part in helping wrest free wrongful control (more than likely) in your neck of the woods. Would you please return the Favor?
LittleGirl
(8,374 posts)don't want to repeat myself
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Many of the downsides of life here I attribute to the Republicans. But over the last few years, the Third-Wayers creeping into the Democratic party has also adversely impacted.
We could retrieve a lot of what we used to have if Sanders wins. I watched him on the Ed Show as well, but before that Keith Olbermann had Bernie on a lot. That is when I became very familiar with his positions on issues. I used to think, "I wish he would run for President, but he probably would not want the stress of the job at this stage of his life." I was thrilled when he announced.
Thanks for posting on my thread.
Sam
saw Bernie on Keith back then too. I'm American and my spouse is a new US citizen from the UK so we live in Europe now because of his job. That may change this year (we hope). I like living abroad but it's expensive and can be isolating when you don't know the local language. Fortunately, Basel is cosmopolitan and you can hear several languages on the trams into town. They are just smart here about education and manufacturing and giving you multiple choices of parties to elect. They had an election in October and there were at least 5 different parties and platforms. We get a local newspaper delivered to our mail box twice a week (FOR FREE) and they had a special newspaper one week beforehand that listed all of the candidates and their platforms. That's democracy to me!
I was thrilled when he announced too!!
Glamrock
(11,931 posts)Although I was introduced to the Bern by Thom Hartman. Seems like after every Brunch w/Bernie I'd think, "man, wish that dude would run for president."
pnwmom
(109,435 posts)complaining about a blackout.
What IS true is that Trump has been getting more coverage than all the other candidates put together.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)And the supposedly liberal Tampa Bay Times (formerly St. Pete Times) has rarely mentioned Sanders . Lots of Rubio, Jeb, Trump, and Hillary, but no Bernie or O'Malley.
pnwmom
(109,435 posts)Today's article is typical. O'Malley doesn't get equal billing in the headline, but it would be hard to imagine that he thinks he might win in Nevada.
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/clinton-sanders-aim-for-victory-in-nevada-caucuses/
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)LittleGirl
(8,374 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)The little time he has had in the light had no reservations about kicking Bernie in the Ribs.
His ads
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/25/martin-omalley-advertisement-hits-bernie-sanders-progressive/
As well as a recent interview where he lied through his teeth:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1251955995 This was a DU post from... oh, I shouldn't say, that ended up backfiring some due to the haste in trying to post something they thought would be damning
and.... well, that's all I ever need to know about the guy. Sad to see where one goes when they are desperately lashing out.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:23 AM - Edit history (1)
During the first debate, Hillary Clinton exclaimed "Senator Sanders voted against the Brady Bill." Well, no he didn't because he was not a Senator when the bill was offered up. He was a member of the House. Sanders voted for the will of the people in Vermont for whom he was representing.
Vermont had extremely little crime, and many of its residents hunt. During that whole year, there were only 7 murders in the whole state. He has become more of a champion for common sense gun laws while a Senator. I believe the NRA has given him a D- rating.
Senators in theory vote for what is in the best interest of the entire state, while Congressional Representatives in theory vote for what their constituency want. And that is Bernie's record.
I did not watch the interview, but I will check it out tomorrow.
Thanks for posting on my thread.
Sam
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)Samantha! And thank you for shedding more light on that easy to miss point about his earlier tenure as a VT representative.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I think the advantage Sanders had was the team he has working with him. Many were on Obama's team, and some are simply excellent at what they do. One of them is really good at online money raising, and that alone gave Sanders the tool with which to break away from The Big Ignore.
Sam
Eric J in MN
(35,620 posts)ABC World News Tonight
NBC Nightly News
CBS Evening News
Have any of those shows mentioned him recently?
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I would guess they do not, perhaps someone else posting on this thread might know. I have returned to just watching my local news. I think why should I add to most of these networks ratings when in particular MSNBC has fired some sterling commentators and started performing in what I consider to be a biased manner.
Thank you for posting on my thread.
Sam
pnwmom
(109,435 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Or else they would face the wrath of the Clintons, the DLC, and the DNC . . . the Democrat's party establishment.
Life is not a rehearsal.
This is it.
And Bernie knew it.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I think though that Comcast didn't want Sanders covered, and NBC went along. I am not sure if the Clintons would try to force the networks to ignore Sanders, but I do think DWS would have no problem conveying that message of her candidate's behalf.
Thanks for posting on my thread.
Sam
mahina
(18,795 posts)To write headlines for elections he will win without using his name. There was a thread about this a while back that contained some howlers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128082109
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Some people here have a really sharp, keen sense of humor. They open it up at times of great stress and we howl when we read their posts. We might not be a perfect place, but it is a heck of a wonderful place to be to discuss political and other issues. And the love of animals and compassion for those in need or who have suffered tragic losses rounds this site out in a way that is very impressive.
I read that link you posted, and I loved it. I was breaking up while moving through it. Thank you for sharing this; I missed it when it was originally posted.
Here is my headline:
"Trump trampled by socialist terrorist determined to occupy White House starting January 2017. Get ready to rumble."
Sam
Scuba
(53,475 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)disassembling it. The distributed and open nature of the internet overtook them before they could squash it. But I am sure they are already looking for ways to neutralize the democratizing nature of the internet before 2020.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)on the tv or read it in the local paper, (tulsa world.)
I sure hear a lot of tRump, cruz and that other fella from florida, Rubio. Some Clinton but not Sanders or O'Malley at all.
fuck the msm, I've no use for them anymore other than to tell me what happened in my neighborhood last night. Fuck 'm. Half of that is suspect I might add
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I believe the reason Hillary is polling nationally so far ahead of Bernie is because in areas where he has not yet campaigned, people don't even know his name. As the contest proceeds and he branches out to other states, he will attract a lot of support not now even readily identified. He didn't have the funds to start out campaigning nationally. He started slowly with the first two caucus states, and now is preparing for Super Tuesday. In the meantime, I guess we a smaller version of The Big Ignore still in play where Republications/conservatives/corporatists do not want him to have any coverage.
Sam
madokie
(51,076 posts)a lot of people who I talk to though who aren't necessarily dems say they like what Bernie is saying and most say as it stands they'll vote for him.
Which to me is if there isn't any big scandals involving Bernie that comes to light. I seriously doubt there is so I'm not worried about that in the least.
Bernie will be our next President. I can feel it in the air. What I like is when Bernie IS on a talk show he always comes across as an intelligent, thoughtful, honest and kind man. Those four attributes are hard to find in this world of crooked politics we have today.
I'm hearing lots of old republican okies say they're liking what Bernie is saying. Thats got to be good
Glamrock
(11,931 posts)Hearing the same from from a lot of conservative Hoosiers here...
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I did not realize the people there were familiar with him yet. I guess the start of his getting more main stream exposure has made his name and message expand into territories I would not have expected. Do people there know about him threw the main stream media, local papers or what?
Sam
Glamrock
(11,931 posts)I know 7 or 8 conservatives who are supporting Bernie. And they know about him through me.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Thank you so much for sharing this info. I am getting more and more excited about Bernie's chances of actually winning this thing and taking on the Republican nominee. It just seems he keeps getting stronger and stronger as his message spreads more and more. To read about people in Oklahoma really liking him makes my day.
Thanks for posting on my thread, madokie.
Sam
antigop
(12,778 posts)Bernin4U
(812 posts)I'd noticed it too, over the last few weeks, and was about to open a thread.
Suddenly, Bernie seems to be getting maybe 2-3x the coverage he was before. Not that it's a lot, but it's a substantial increase.
And the articles no longer seem to be prefaced with the mandatory disclaimer, "Bernie has no chance of winning, but..."
It's more likely as a CYA move, rather than them actually caring, but yes, it seems it did survive, if not defeat, the media "brownout".
Samantha
(9,314 posts)that just keeps getting bigger and bigger. No longer if it wants to remain relevant. However, this doesn't help O'Malley, and that is a tragedy.
Sam
Glamrock
(11,931 posts)To me anyway. Just had a discussion about this the other day with me wife. Here's the gist:
Doesn't matter if it's MTP, FTN, etc, etc. Doesn't matter if it's David Gregory, Wolf Blitzer, or Chuck fucking Turd (loath that man). A Republican can come on and say the sun is fucking purple and the first question asked will be "do you think President Obama is politicizing the color of the sun when he says it's yellow?" After that, we'll be told the jury's out, there's a debate, no one really knows what color the sun is. And then, heaven fucking forbid, a Democrat says the sun is orange or red because then it'll be "see? Both sides, both sides." Forget the fact that red, yellow, and orange are all colors associated with fire and purple isn't, it's all about both sides. Disgusting. Infuriating. And, most importantly damaging to a democracy. Like I said haven't been relevant to me for a long time.
P.s. great post
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)
I always knew there was bias in the reporting of our networks, but the thing that really cinched it for me was Election 2000. General Electric owned NBC at that time, and that corporation donated 1.1 million dollars to George W. Bush*s campaign. The CEO sat on Meet the Press and totally ridiculed Al Gore to the Meet the Press audience. (Clinton/Gore had fined GE big time for violating the Clean Water Act and he was still pretty angry about it.) But that is where a lot of the humiliating things about Gore sprang (making fun of his wardrobe, he invented the Internet -- that kind of stuff). But the most outrageous aspect of NBC's corporate relationship with GE and its control over our elections became crystal clear the night of the actual election when the controversy over how to call the state of Florida was rocking back and forth from Gore to Bush, etc. until one phone call took place.
One of Bush's relatives, a young man who was something like a nephew (that type of relationship) was on air helping with the reporting. Jeb Bush actually got on the phone with him to discern the status of the the network's call. After some discussion, Bush told the younger relative to make the call for George W. Bush, and shortly thereafter it was a done deal. Once FOX called the race for Bush, the others soon followed suit. Once the state of Florida had officially been called for Bush, any challenge by Gore would have been attacked simply as that of a sore loser. To Gore's credit, that did not stop him.
It is simply beyond appalling the influence that goes on behind the scenes in our election process. It has been that way for years, I am sure, but just in recent time have we seen the evidence of the corruption flash before our eyes in undeniable form. If there is to be any confidence by the voters in the outcome of our elections, we must find a way to end the influence of corporations control over the results.
Sam
fredamae
(4,458 posts)can't defeat Bernie (us).....and God knows how hard they tried...they laughed/mocked/ignored (us) went negative on his hair and his age and his "grumpiness" (but not is policies per se')....then how can anyone with a straight face say he (we) can't win against Big Money?
Money is only as powerful as we are willing to go along with what it buys.
If we ignore their money....then "we'll" get a hellava lot of it out if they get zip, zero....When the Oligarchs get Nothing back on their Billion Dollar Investment in their Bidding War to buy the WH, Congress and Supreme Court.
The thing that stands out and is Wonderfully Different - is that this is The Peoples Campaign. Not Bernies alone. He's always said that it's not about Him-This is about Us!
Samantha
(9,314 posts)and I believe you are right on target. I think Bernie is going to win and I believe if he does, things will really start to change. If he does not, Gawd help us!
Thanks for posting on my thread.
Sam
fredamae
(4,458 posts)that the change we seek in the White House must be complimented by a new Congress and Senate and Governors and State Legislators and Mayors and City/County Commissioners.
But Most important of All (imo) WE, Must Be Willing To Go To Work As Co-Legislators At Every Level Of OUR Government.
Campaigning is long and hard. But the Real work begins After the election and that is Usually where "we" drop the ball.
Some folks can and will do better at the local level while others will soar in engaging DC. No matter where one feels most comfortable - We All must engage in Our own governance. If "it's" gonna work.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I suspect the MSM always thought there might be an opportunity to milk ad revenue from covering Sanders in early 2016. They just didn't count on his campaign doing so well, and thus they themselves looking so lacking in their assessment.
Might be a benefit for Sanders in that. Since the media of course didn't read things wrong, lol, it might be portrayed that the Sanders campaign has a special magic.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)that perhaps it is not all about the viewers but is in fact all about MSNBC? The trust is gone, and I am not sure it can ever be regained.
Thank you for posting on my thread.
Sam
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)At the time I thought it was brilliant, but projection of a dystopian future that would probably never come to be. Sad, sad delusion.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:05 PM - Edit history (1)
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I AM VOTING FOR BERNIE SANDERS!
So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074958/quotes
Thanks Babel_17 for posting on my thread. I really needed to hear and see these words again!
Sam
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)More people are on to their shit.
They hate it.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I have been very interested in government and politics most of my life. I started watching Meet the Press religiously when I was 8 years old. I thought I pretty much knew the score but the startling theft of the 2000 election was simply amazing to me.
In the last 15 years, I have learned more about the corruption in our government, and especially our elections, than I could ever imagine. I have not exactly led a sheltered political life -- I was reading literature about Lyndon Johnson and how he stole he first Congressional election when I was 13 and got into a lot of hot water in my father's Republican House when he found me reading "The Ugly American" a little later on. All that taken into account, I still could not believe what I was seeing and hearing right out in the open during the 2000 election. I was stunned by the Supreme Court decision (it had zero Constitutional authority to step in) and offended by the stupidity it put forth in its rationale for stopping the recount.
I believe there are a lot of people who watch and react much more intently than ever before in our history. I do not believe there will be a lot of meek submission should any "irregularities" happen in this contest or the actual election.
Sam
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)a presidential election was stolen in plain sight.
It really stunned me and made me look at everything completely differently. I realized I'd been completely naive, even though I used to be a big newspaper reader and thought of myself as being well informed.
I remember when I was a kid and I felt sorry for the Soviets because their media was just propaganda. Little did I know our big media would turn out to be not much better.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)for him. Jeb remarked that he (George W.) is still pretty popular. In what universe, I wonder.
Sam
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)Basically they are all just so full of S-54
It really could be kind of joyous just knowing 'places on high' of that propaganda central might of cooked their stuff just as well
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Occasionally I turn them on when something interesting happens, but that is very seldom. I think if they want to ignore being a responsible broadcaster which reports in a well-rounded, unbiased manner, I don't need to be exposed to their brainwashing. After all, I can read. And that is where I get most of my news today.
Shame on them.
Sam
nolabels
(13,133 posts)(cont.) "they sell our clothes and our cars". A music Album pressed in 1986 that seems to be as relevant today as same as when it was made. It just goes to prove some of the artificial flavors might have changed but the meat and potatoes of how it gets sold has always been the same.
A little trick i have used when stuck in place where i being forced to listen the to spiel, is identifying what up front and hidden messages they are trying to use in the process. Often they try implicate one into the belief they will be inadequate unless they go along with program being sold. It's like a connection to a parent the viewer and listeners never had. Even in twilight years of the consumer being targeted, it still works for the advertiser just as always had (it turned into a bad habit long ago). People follow by instinct and have an aversion to trying to figure it out themselves.
This current conflict with Bernie with all the disconnect and avoiding Bernie will go on as long as corporate media feel they are in position moral superiority. (course that is just because they are also followers and imitating another archetype they are visioning of how things should be.
My only real advice, is be prepared for a long, long ride
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)ABOUT FRIGGIN' TIME! Hear Him Roar!
ohiolover
(5 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)Inadvertently got a whiff of the some corporate spiel. They were bending over backwards not to mention Bernie
It's getting to the point of being humorous, but i will just be careful not to giggle too soon
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Sam