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Samantha

(9,314 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:25 AM Jan 2016

Looks like the MSM, in the face of becoming politically expendable, has canceled The Big Ignore

I believe the media thought if it just ignored Bernie Sanders, his campaign would wither away. He could not compete with Hillary Clinton without media coverage, so s l o w l y he would go away ... down ... and out.

But go away he did not. He wagered if he just played his cards well by sending out his message via alternative media, many would hear and line up to support him. Surprisingly enough, the line to do so grew so huge THE BIG IGNORE could no longer survive. The broadcast and print media gradually began to realize that while in the past they could make or break a candidacy, today a candidate is demonstrating the MSM's words and cameras are in fact expendable.

The MSM is no longer a political king- or queen-maker.

Lightning bolts struck when the MSM realized it could no longer ignore that object in its rear view mirror which kept getting BIGGER and BIGGER. Suddenly cameras are returning to capture the man upon whom the MSM had tried to force sudden political death. He had lived to fight another day! And another! Numbers climbed to startling heights.

Death by media dehydration had not killed the candidate's revolutionary run. It had made apparent success could be achieved with or without the MSM. Rather than become a dinosaur in a political cemetery, the MSM reconnoitered its position and came out in the open to stay in the game. Lights, cameras and action for Bernie Sanders are starting to happen. Why?

Because rather than go away, he lived to fight another day, and in so doing, won a striking victory over The Big Ignore.

Sam

Postscript: It is well past time Martin O'Malley be given his fair share of a place in the sun. Certainly, many of the Republicans are highlighted, even those most assume will be dropping out of the race soon. Martin O'Malley is an outstanding politician with a wonderful record of achievements. He too has been victimized by The Big Ignore.

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Looks like the MSM, in the face of becoming politically expendable, has canceled The Big Ignore (Original Post) Samantha Jan 2016 OP
People like you and I and the folks here at DU Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #1
You are exactly correct Samantha Jan 2016 #4
Have a good one. Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #9
K and R! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #41
Sweet. I saw the interview with Joe and Mika this am with 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #2
Yes, they were -- and that is so out of character, isn't it? Samantha Jan 2016 #6
One day after I actually heard Bernie's voice on NPR for a full sentence. mahina Jan 2016 #52
Corporate media no longer has the relevance it once had, especially with the younger generation ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #3
It certainly is a whole new ballgame Samantha Jan 2016 #7
I did not see the clip, but it is all about money and ratings IMHO .... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #14
K&R. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #5
K&R nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #8
I think you're right but I also think bbgrunt Jan 2016 #10
Well perhaps they just heard Bernie was going to be spending money on advertisements Samantha Jan 2016 #11
I expect it's more of H's funds they want, although bbgrunt Jan 2016 #19
That is the explanation. Perfect. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #21
But don't you think his open hostility to the TPP also had something to do with it? Samantha Jan 2016 #24
And, I've seen Koch Brothers ads on MSNBC...but, Bernie specifically KoKo Jan 2016 #73
I too thought "Morning Joe" was like a FOX show Samantha Jan 2016 #80
I have a different viewpoint LittleGirl Jan 2016 #12
That is very interesting Samantha Jan 2016 #13
I am a member LittleGirl Jan 2016 #17
If by some fraudulent Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #25
see my post #28... LittleGirl Jan 2016 #39
That is the type of country we want the United States to be Samantha Jan 2016 #28
Yes LittleGirl Jan 2016 #38
Me three! Glamrock Jan 2016 #53
I'm in WA and I've seen plenty of him, too. I kept wondering why people were pnwmom Jan 2016 #26
I live in Florida. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #34
The Seattle paper is aware that there is a Democratic primary race, too. pnwmom Jan 2016 #35
I especially agree with your postscriptum: O'Malley is the worst victim of the BIG IGNORE. eom Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #15
I haven't seen O'Malley since the debate. eom LittleGirl Jan 2016 #18
Just as well perhaps. Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #29
I just watched that ad Samantha Jan 2016 #30
Very on the ball Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #31
Yes, he is and he did not deserve that -- neither did Sanders Samantha Jan 2016 #22
K&R. n/t bvf Jan 2016 #16
The main way Bernie Sanders has been ignored is by the early-evening news shows. Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #20
I don't know because I don't watch them anymore Samantha Jan 2016 #23
Donald Trump has been getting more coverage than all the Dems put together. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #27
Social media can be the game changer in modern politics. n/t AZ Progressive Jan 2016 #32
yes Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #57
The mainstream media was told to ignore Bernie. Major Hogwash Jan 2016 #33
Pithy post, Major Hogwash Samantha Jan 2016 #42
Pretty soon they would have had to figure out uow mahina Jan 2016 #36
There is absolutely one thing that cannot be taken away from DU Samantha Jan 2016 #43
...! KoKo Jan 2016 #74
This is why they want to kill the open internet. Scuba Jan 2016 #37
Absolutely dead serious. They have spent decades maintaining the illusion of a democracy while GoneFishin Jan 2016 #46
So true (eom) Samantha Jan 2016 #47
I still don't hear Bernie's name madokie Jan 2016 #40
Isn't Oklahoma a pretty conservative state? Samantha Jan 2016 #48
Yes Bright Bright Red madokie Jan 2016 #50
Yeah man Glamrock Jan 2016 #54
Bernie is getting a lot of good vibes from Indiana? Samantha Jan 2016 #59
Perhaps I exaggerated Glamrock Jan 2016 #70
This is really great to know Samantha Jan 2016 #58
I agree with you re: O'Malley. His voice was silenced. nt antigop Jan 2016 #44
Ace Post! Bernin4U Jan 2016 #45
As I said in this thread, how long can the MSM ignore that object in its rear view mirror Samantha Jan 2016 #49
They aren't and haven't been for a long time now Glamrock Jan 2016 #55
Thank you for the compliment Samantha Jan 2016 #60
Well, If the CorpoMedia fredamae Jan 2016 #51
Excellent point, fredamae Samantha Jan 2016 #61
We must also understand fredamae Jan 2016 #71
..! KoKo Jan 2016 #75
Expendable, and irrelevant Babel_17 Jan 2016 #56
Do you think it ever occurs to MSNBC when they see their ratings drop Samantha Jan 2016 #62
That inspired me to revisit the quotes page of the movie "Network" Babel_17 Jan 2016 #63
I remember seeing that move when it first came out. winter is coming Jan 2016 #65
Oh yes, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!" Samantha Jan 2016 #66
I don't think a stupid "Dean Scream" take down would be possible now. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #64
I think you are absolutely correct Samantha Jan 2016 #67
Me too. I couldn't believe tens of millions of Americans just shrugged as Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #68
Did you hear Jeb Bush say yesterday his brother George W. Bush* is going to start campaigning Samantha Jan 2016 #78
Yes, so bizarre. I guess in the sheltered, addled universe of the Bush mind, he is popular. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #81
If we were all smart, we would continue just to ignore them like we have been nolabels Jan 2016 #69
I do pretty much ignore them now compared to how much I used to watch MSNBC Samantha Jan 2016 #76
As Jackson Browne says in Lives in the balance, "They sell us the president the same way" nolabels Jan 2016 #77
Said EXACTLY The Same Thing Yesterday! ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #72
k and r ohiolover Jan 2016 #79
Just a little kick for this thread nolabels Jan 2016 #82
You are too funny Samantha Jan 2016 #83
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. People like you and I and the folks here at DU
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jan 2016

have made it purpose to not let the M$M ignore Bernie. Our constant E-mails and many with twiter keep pounding away at their sites. These folks have gotten the message because they the media need these platforms in order to survive. And their advertisers are very away of what is going on and they do not want to lose sales.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
4. You are exactly correct
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:36 AM
Jan 2016

Perhaps I should say "right on the money" because that phrase would more likely get their attention!

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
2. Sweet. I saw the interview with Joe and Mika this am with
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie and Jane.

Joe and Mika were respectful?

Gave me a tiny degree of hope, also made me suspicious.

They were almost too nice.........

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
6. Yes, they were -- and that is so out of character, isn't it?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:38 AM
Jan 2016

I wonder why....

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
3. Corporate media no longer has the relevance it once had, especially with the younger generation ...
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jan 2016

it is a whole new ballgame.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
7. It certainly is a whole new ballgame
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:43 AM
Jan 2016

and I have to wonder if the new person recently put in charge is a forward thinking person who saw the writing on the wall. This was truly a sudden change of pace for that show, and there has to be a reason for that. I can think of no other than the network realized this was going to happen with or without them, and they needed to strike a blow for their relevancy and right now.

And this is a good thing for all political candidates, now and in the future.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
14. I did not see the clip, but it is all about money and ratings IMHO ....
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jan 2016

as much I would like to believe there might be a forward thinking person in the mainstream media, it is not something I would want to bet on, most are well constrained by their superiors.

Maybe we have seen a change, for now I will just observe.

You are welcome and it is my pleasure





bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
10. I think you're right but I also think
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:06 AM
Jan 2016

the greedy M$M see more $'s in their sights if they can milk the dem primary for all it's worth.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
11. Well perhaps they just heard Bernie was going to be spending money on advertisements
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:13 AM
Jan 2016

and thought they wanted to grab a share of the pie. Could that be it?

Sam

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
19. I expect it's more of H's funds they want, although
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:45 AM
Jan 2016

B is starting to spend some too.

Also, programming talking heads to endlessly prattle about political horse races is cheaper than actually covering news or issues. win-win.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
24. But don't you think his open hostility to the TPP also had something to do with it?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:16 AM
Jan 2016

You know Comcast made a statement that it did not want any commentators who were anti-TPP. I am sure you know many involved with the media helped draft that piece of legislation, so NBC/Comcast were not going to offer free time for politicians campaigning against it to have a platform.

The preference for Hillary to win, the ad money, protecting the TPP -- these three things greatly shape what they do when, I believe. They have also developed that "I shall control the reporting" mindset Rupert Murdock has.

Thank you for posting on my thread.

Sam

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
73. And, I've seen Koch Brothers ads on MSNBC...but, Bernie specifically
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jan 2016

mention the Koch Brothers funding elections. I thought MSNBC would edit that out of the Morning Joe Video when I went there later to post the link here. They left it in. But then, Morning Joe's ratings have been tanking so maybe they needed a bounce and leaving in the Koch Bros. comment in was worth the price to get hits on website for the interview they did with Bernie which might get Bernie supporters checking them out and giving ratings bounce for the ratings bounce.

I read that their show now has a Fox News Business guy in charge since they expanded to three hours. I think he started Jan 1. I already thought "Morning Joe" was like a Fox Show....so I don't know if they can get any worse.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
80. I too thought "Morning Joe" was like a FOX show
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jan 2016

I quit watching it forever ago! In the beginning, I thought Mika Brzezinski would do a good job counter-balancing Joe Scarboro. I was extremely disappointed to see she did not. I too have wondered if having Bernie Sanders on was a desperation move to lift their ratings, but I really don't see Bernie Sanders' supporters making that show a part of their morning routine.

Thanks for posting on my thread, KoKo.

Sam

LittleGirl

(8,299 posts)
12. I have a different viewpoint
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:14 AM
Jan 2016

our cable provides CNBC and CNN international here in Basel Switzerland and we've seen a lot of Bernie. Of course, we see way too much Trump but we've had several opportunities lately to see Bernie being interviewed just this week.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
13. That is very interesting
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:18 AM
Jan 2016

Good to know. I wonder if we will hear from others in different countries about what they are seeing.

Thank you so much for posting on this thread.

Sam

LittleGirl

(8,299 posts)
17. I am a member
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:41 AM
Jan 2016

of the Democrats abroad and I've been a supporter of his since 08. I lived in the states from 09-14 and we saw Bernie on the Ed Show on MSNBC many times. I've seen him on Meet the Press and that CNN sunday show just this week. I haven't been to any 'watch parties' for the debates but there is a lot of interest in Bernie here.
You see, if you live in Europe, you see how socialism works. It works quite well too.
We have public transportation the envy of 'Merica and smooth pot hole free roads (most countries).
MJ is decriminalized.
They still make shit here. Manufacturing is still a positive economic workplace. Most of them shut down over Christmas and New Years and I mean shut down for days.
Some of the grocery stores weren't even open so you have to plan your life.
Schools are top notch. The students graduate from high school knowing three languages here.
We rarely see homeless people unlike some of the major cities in the US.
And, there are far far fewer guns on holsters here and those are the police that I rarely see either.
You know...civilized.

Income tax is 10%, sales tax is 19% and included in the price of the item so no surprises when you make a purchase.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
25. If by some fraudulent
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:21 AM
Jan 2016

election result our president becomes any of the Repug Stooges, would you and others in your country please petition your govt. to plan a full scale invasion & takeover of ours? I mean, at one time we did take part in helping wrest free wrongful control (more than likely) in your neck of the woods. Would you please return the Favor?

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
28. That is the type of country we want the United States to be
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:25 AM
Jan 2016

Many of the downsides of life here I attribute to the Republicans. But over the last few years, the Third-Wayers creeping into the Democratic party has also adversely impacted.

We could retrieve a lot of what we used to have if Sanders wins. I watched him on the Ed Show as well, but before that Keith Olbermann had Bernie on a lot. That is when I became very familiar with his positions on issues. I used to think, "I wish he would run for President, but he probably would not want the stress of the job at this stage of his life." I was thrilled when he announced.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

LittleGirl

(8,299 posts)
38. Yes
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:10 AM
Jan 2016

saw Bernie on Keith back then too. I'm American and my spouse is a new US citizen from the UK so we live in Europe now because of his job. That may change this year (we hope). I like living abroad but it's expensive and can be isolating when you don't know the local language. Fortunately, Basel is cosmopolitan and you can hear several languages on the trams into town. They are just smart here about education and manufacturing and giving you multiple choices of parties to elect. They had an election in October and there were at least 5 different parties and platforms. We get a local newspaper delivered to our mail box twice a week (FOR FREE) and they had a special newspaper one week beforehand that listed all of the candidates and their platforms. That's democracy to me!

I was thrilled when he announced too!!

Glamrock

(11,809 posts)
53. Me three!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jan 2016

Although I was introduced to the Bern by Thom Hartman. Seems like after every Brunch w/Bernie I'd think, "man, wish that dude would run for president."

pnwmom

(109,197 posts)
26. I'm in WA and I've seen plenty of him, too. I kept wondering why people were
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:24 AM
Jan 2016

complaining about a blackout.

What IS true is that Trump has been getting more coverage than all the other candidates put together.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
34. I live in Florida.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:23 AM
Jan 2016

And the supposedly liberal Tampa Bay Times (formerly St. Pete Times) has rarely mentioned Sanders . Lots of Rubio, Jeb, Trump, and Hillary, but no Bernie or O'Malley.

pnwmom

(109,197 posts)
35. The Seattle paper is aware that there is a Democratic primary race, too.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:01 AM
Jan 2016

Today's article is typical. O'Malley doesn't get equal billing in the headline, but it would be hard to imagine that he thinks he might win in Nevada.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/clinton-sanders-aim-for-victory-in-nevada-caucuses/

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
29. Just as well perhaps.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:29 AM
Jan 2016

The little time he has had in the light had no reservations about kicking Bernie in the Ribs.

His ads
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/25/martin-omalley-advertisement-hits-bernie-sanders-progressive/

As well as a recent interview where he lied through his teeth:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1251955995 This was a DU post from... oh, I shouldn't say, that ended up backfiring some due to the haste in trying to post something they thought would be damning

and.... well, that's all I ever need to know about the guy. Sad to see where one goes when they are desperately lashing out.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
30. I just watched that ad
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:54 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:23 AM - Edit history (1)

During the first debate, Hillary Clinton exclaimed "Senator Sanders voted against the Brady Bill." Well, no he didn't because he was not a Senator when the bill was offered up. He was a member of the House. Sanders voted for the will of the people in Vermont for whom he was representing.

Vermont had extremely little crime, and many of its residents hunt. During that whole year, there were only 7 murders in the whole state. He has become more of a champion for common sense gun laws while a Senator. I believe the NRA has given him a D- rating.

Senators in theory vote for what is in the best interest of the entire state, while Congressional Representatives in theory vote for what their constituency want. And that is Bernie's record.

I did not watch the interview, but I will check it out tomorrow.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
31. Very on the ball
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:06 AM
Jan 2016

Samantha! And thank you for shedding more light on that easy to miss point about his earlier tenure as a VT representative.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
22. Yes, he is and he did not deserve that -- neither did Sanders
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:01 AM
Jan 2016

I think the advantage Sanders had was the team he has working with him. Many were on Obama's team, and some are simply excellent at what they do. One of them is really good at online money raising, and that alone gave Sanders the tool with which to break away from The Big Ignore.

Sam

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
20. The main way Bernie Sanders has been ignored is by the early-evening news shows.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:54 AM
Jan 2016

ABC World News Tonight
NBC Nightly News
CBS Evening News

Have any of those shows mentioned him recently?

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
23. I don't know because I don't watch them anymore
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:05 AM
Jan 2016

I would guess they do not, perhaps someone else posting on this thread might know. I have returned to just watching my local news. I think why should I add to most of these networks ratings when in particular MSNBC has fired some sterling commentators and started performing in what I consider to be a biased manner.

Thank you for posting on my thread.

Sam

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
33. The mainstream media was told to ignore Bernie.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:16 AM
Jan 2016

Or else they would face the wrath of the Clintons, the DLC, and the DNC . . . the Democrat's party establishment.

Life is not a rehearsal.
This is it.
And Bernie knew it.



Samantha

(9,314 posts)
42. Pithy post, Major Hogwash
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jan 2016

I think though that Comcast didn't want Sanders covered, and NBC went along. I am not sure if the Clintons would try to force the networks to ignore Sanders, but I do think DWS would have no problem conveying that message of her candidate's behalf.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

mahina

(18,192 posts)
36. Pretty soon they would have had to figure out uow
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:19 AM
Jan 2016

To write headlines for elections he will win without using his name. There was a thread about this a while back that contained some howlers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128082109

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
43. There is absolutely one thing that cannot be taken away from DU
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jan 2016

Some people here have a really sharp, keen sense of humor. They open it up at times of great stress and we howl when we read their posts. We might not be a perfect place, but it is a heck of a wonderful place to be to discuss political and other issues. And the love of animals and compassion for those in need or who have suffered tragic losses rounds this site out in a way that is very impressive.

I read that link you posted, and I loved it. I was breaking up while moving through it. Thank you for sharing this; I missed it when it was originally posted.

Here is my headline:

"Trump trampled by socialist terrorist determined to occupy White House starting January 2017. Get ready to rumble."

Sam

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
46. Absolutely dead serious. They have spent decades maintaining the illusion of a democracy while
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jan 2016

disassembling it. The distributed and open nature of the internet overtook them before they could squash it. But I am sure they are already looking for ways to neutralize the democratizing nature of the internet before 2020.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
40. I still don't hear Bernie's name
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:17 AM
Jan 2016

on the tv or read it in the local paper, (tulsa world.)

I sure hear a lot of tRump, cruz and that other fella from florida, Rubio. Some Clinton but not Sanders or O'Malley at all.

fuck the msm, I've no use for them anymore other than to tell me what happened in my neighborhood last night. Fuck 'm. Half of that is suspect I might add

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
48. Isn't Oklahoma a pretty conservative state?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jan 2016

I believe the reason Hillary is polling nationally so far ahead of Bernie is because in areas where he has not yet campaigned, people don't even know his name. As the contest proceeds and he branches out to other states, he will attract a lot of support not now even readily identified. He didn't have the funds to start out campaigning nationally. He started slowly with the first two caucus states, and now is preparing for Super Tuesday. In the meantime, I guess we a smaller version of The Big Ignore still in play where Republications/conservatives/corporatists do not want him to have any coverage.

Sam

madokie

(51,076 posts)
50. Yes Bright Bright Red
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jan 2016

a lot of people who I talk to though who aren't necessarily dems say they like what Bernie is saying and most say as it stands they'll vote for him.
Which to me is if there isn't any big scandals involving Bernie that comes to light. I seriously doubt there is so I'm not worried about that in the least.

Bernie will be our next President. I can feel it in the air. What I like is when Bernie IS on a talk show he always comes across as an intelligent, thoughtful, honest and kind man. Those four attributes are hard to find in this world of crooked politics we have today.

I'm hearing lots of old republican okies say they're liking what Bernie is saying. Thats got to be good

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
59. Bernie is getting a lot of good vibes from Indiana?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:20 AM
Jan 2016

I did not realize the people there were familiar with him yet. I guess the start of his getting more main stream exposure has made his name and message expand into territories I would not have expected. Do people there know about him threw the main stream media, local papers or what?

Sam

Glamrock

(11,809 posts)
70. Perhaps I exaggerated
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jan 2016

I know 7 or 8 conservatives who are supporting Bernie. And they know about him through me.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
58. This is really great to know
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jan 2016

Thank you so much for sharing this info. I am getting more and more excited about Bernie's chances of actually winning this thing and taking on the Republican nominee. It just seems he keeps getting stronger and stronger as his message spreads more and more. To read about people in Oklahoma really liking him makes my day.

Thanks for posting on my thread, madokie.

Sam

Bernin4U

(812 posts)
45. Ace Post!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

I'd noticed it too, over the last few weeks, and was about to open a thread.

Suddenly, Bernie seems to be getting maybe 2-3x the coverage he was before. Not that it's a lot, but it's a substantial increase.

And the articles no longer seem to be prefaced with the mandatory disclaimer, "Bernie has no chance of winning, but..."

It's more likely as a CYA move, rather than them actually caring, but yes, it seems it did survive, if not defeat, the media "brownout".

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
49. As I said in this thread, how long can the MSM ignore that object in its rear view mirror
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jan 2016

that just keeps getting bigger and bigger. No longer if it wants to remain relevant. However, this doesn't help O'Malley, and that is a tragedy.

Sam

Glamrock

(11,809 posts)
55. They aren't and haven't been for a long time now
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

To me anyway. Just had a discussion about this the other day with me wife. Here's the gist:
Doesn't matter if it's MTP, FTN, etc, etc. Doesn't matter if it's David Gregory, Wolf Blitzer, or Chuck fucking Turd (loath that man). A Republican can come on and say the sun is fucking purple and the first question asked will be "do you think President Obama is politicizing the color of the sun when he says it's yellow?" After that, we'll be told the jury's out, there's a debate, no one really knows what color the sun is. And then, heaven fucking forbid, a Democrat says the sun is orange or red because then it'll be "see? Both sides, both sides." Forget the fact that red, yellow, and orange are all colors associated with fire and purple isn't, it's all about both sides. Disgusting. Infuriating. And, most importantly damaging to a democracy. Like I said haven't been relevant to me for a long time.

P.s. great post

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
60. Thank you for the compliment
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:41 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)

I always knew there was bias in the reporting of our networks, but the thing that really cinched it for me was Election 2000. General Electric owned NBC at that time, and that corporation donated 1.1 million dollars to George W. Bush*s campaign. The CEO sat on Meet the Press and totally ridiculed Al Gore to the Meet the Press audience. (Clinton/Gore had fined GE big time for violating the Clean Water Act and he was still pretty angry about it.) But that is where a lot of the humiliating things about Gore sprang (making fun of his wardrobe, he invented the Internet -- that kind of stuff). But the most outrageous aspect of NBC's corporate relationship with GE and its control over our elections became crystal clear the night of the actual election when the controversy over how to call the state of Florida was rocking back and forth from Gore to Bush, etc. until one phone call took place.

One of Bush's relatives, a young man who was something like a nephew (that type of relationship) was on air helping with the reporting. Jeb Bush actually got on the phone with him to discern the status of the the network's call. After some discussion, Bush told the younger relative to make the call for George W. Bush, and shortly thereafter it was a done deal. Once FOX called the race for Bush, the others soon followed suit. Once the state of Florida had officially been called for Bush, any challenge by Gore would have been attacked simply as that of a sore loser. To Gore's credit, that did not stop him.

It is simply beyond appalling the influence that goes on behind the scenes in our election process. It has been that way for years, I am sure, but just in recent time have we seen the evidence of the corruption flash before our eyes in undeniable form. If there is to be any confidence by the voters in the outcome of our elections, we must find a way to end the influence of corporations control over the results.

Sam

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
51. Well, If the CorpoMedia
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jan 2016

can't defeat Bernie (us).....and God knows how hard they tried...they laughed/mocked/ignored (us) went negative on his hair and his age and his "grumpiness" (but not is policies per se')....then how can anyone with a straight face say he (we) can't win against Big Money?
Money is only as powerful as we are willing to go along with what it buys.
If we ignore their money....then "we'll" get a hellava lot of it out if they get zip, zero....When the Oligarchs get Nothing back on their Billion Dollar Investment in their Bidding War to buy the WH, Congress and Supreme Court.

The thing that stands out and is Wonderfully Different - is that this is The Peoples Campaign. Not Bernies alone. He's always said that it's not about Him-This is about Us!

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
61. Excellent point, fredamae
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:43 AM
Jan 2016

and I believe you are right on target. I think Bernie is going to win and I believe if he does, things will really start to change. If he does not, Gawd help us!

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
71. We must also understand
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:14 AM
Jan 2016

that the change we seek in the White House must be complimented by a new Congress and Senate and Governors and State Legislators and Mayors and City/County Commissioners.

But Most important of All (imo) WE, Must Be Willing To Go To Work As Co-Legislators At Every Level Of OUR Government.
Campaigning is long and hard. But the Real work begins After the election and that is Usually where "we" drop the ball.

Some folks can and will do better at the local level while others will soar in engaging DC. No matter where one feels most comfortable - We All must engage in Our own governance. If "it's" gonna work.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
56. Expendable, and irrelevant
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jan 2016

I suspect the MSM always thought there might be an opportunity to milk ad revenue from covering Sanders in early 2016. They just didn't count on his campaign doing so well, and thus they themselves looking so lacking in their assessment.

Might be a benefit for Sanders in that. Since the media of course didn't read things wrong, lol, it might be portrayed that the Sanders campaign has a special magic.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
62. Do you think it ever occurs to MSNBC when they see their ratings drop
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:55 AM
Jan 2016

that perhaps it is not all about the viewers but is in fact all about MSNBC? The trust is gone, and I am not sure it can ever be regained.



Thank you for posting on my thread.

Sam

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
65. I remember seeing that move when it first came out.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:37 AM
Jan 2016

At the time I thought it was brilliant, but projection of a dystopian future that would probably never come to be. Sad, sad delusion.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
66. Oh yes, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:37 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:05 PM - Edit history (1)

AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I AM VOTING FOR BERNIE SANDERS!

So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074958/quotes

Thanks Babel_17 for posting on my thread. I really needed to hear and see these words again!

Sam
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
64. I don't think a stupid "Dean Scream" take down would be possible now.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:30 AM
Jan 2016

More people are on to their shit.

They hate it.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
67. I think you are absolutely correct
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:50 AM
Jan 2016

I have been very interested in government and politics most of my life. I started watching Meet the Press religiously when I was 8 years old. I thought I pretty much knew the score but the startling theft of the 2000 election was simply amazing to me.

In the last 15 years, I have learned more about the corruption in our government, and especially our elections, than I could ever imagine. I have not exactly led a sheltered political life -- I was reading literature about Lyndon Johnson and how he stole he first Congressional election when I was 13 and got into a lot of hot water in my father's Republican House when he found me reading "The Ugly American" a little later on. All that taken into account, I still could not believe what I was seeing and hearing right out in the open during the 2000 election. I was stunned by the Supreme Court decision (it had zero Constitutional authority to step in) and offended by the stupidity it put forth in its rationale for stopping the recount.

I believe there are a lot of people who watch and react much more intently than ever before in our history. I do not believe there will be a lot of meek submission should any "irregularities" happen in this contest or the actual election.

Sam

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
68. Me too. I couldn't believe tens of millions of Americans just shrugged as
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:19 AM
Jan 2016

a presidential election was stolen in plain sight.

It really stunned me and made me look at everything completely differently. I realized I'd been completely naive, even though I used to be a big newspaper reader and thought of myself as being well informed.

I remember when I was a kid and I felt sorry for the Soviets because their media was just propaganda. Little did I know our big media would turn out to be not much better.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
78. Did you hear Jeb Bush say yesterday his brother George W. Bush* is going to start campaigning
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jan 2016

for him. Jeb remarked that he (George W.) is still pretty popular. In what universe, I wonder.

Sam

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
69. If we were all smart, we would continue just to ignore them like we have been
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 04:41 AM
Jan 2016

Basically they are all just so full of S-54

It really could be kind of joyous just knowing 'places on high' of that propaganda central might of cooked their stuff just as well

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
76. I do pretty much ignore them now compared to how much I used to watch MSNBC
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jan 2016

Occasionally I turn them on when something interesting happens, but that is very seldom. I think if they want to ignore being a responsible broadcaster which reports in a well-rounded, unbiased manner, I don't need to be exposed to their brainwashing. After all, I can read. And that is where I get most of my news today.

Shame on them.

Sam

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
77. As Jackson Browne says in Lives in the balance, "They sell us the president the same way"
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jan 2016

(cont.) "they sell our clothes and our cars". A music Album pressed in 1986 that seems to be as relevant today as same as when it was made. It just goes to prove some of the artificial flavors might have changed but the meat and potatoes of how it gets sold has always been the same.

A little trick i have used when stuck in place where i being forced to listen the to spiel, is identifying what up front and hidden messages they are trying to use in the process. Often they try implicate one into the belief they will be inadequate unless they go along with program being sold. It's like a connection to a parent the viewer and listeners never had. Even in twilight years of the consumer being targeted, it still works for the advertiser just as always had (it turned into a bad habit long ago). People follow by instinct and have an aversion to trying to figure it out themselves.

This current conflict with Bernie with all the disconnect and avoiding Bernie will go on as long as corporate media feel they are in position moral superiority. (course that is just because they are also followers and imitating another archetype they are visioning of how things should be.

My only real advice, is be prepared for a long, long ride

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
82. Just a little kick for this thread
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:53 PM
Jan 2016

Inadvertently got a whiff of the some corporate spiel. They were bending over backwards not to mention Bernie

It's getting to the point of being humorous, but i will just be careful not to giggle too soon

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
83. You are too funny
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jan 2016
Back at you. I was surprised to see this thread as I was scrolling down the page. I really want to thank you for kicking it. I was so ticked for so long over this issue, it was such a pleasure to write this thread. And it was a pleasure having you here.

Sam
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