Bernie's lack of endorsements from pro-women organizations raises some red flags

[ProudToBeLiberal]

Bernie Sanders has not received a single endorsement from a major women's organization. This raises some concerns in my honest opinion.

Hillary Clinton has so far received the endorsements from:

Planned Parenthood: First endorsement in a presidential primary in the nonprofit’s 100-year existence.
Emily's List
National Organization for Women
NARAL Pro-Choice America
U.S. Women's Chamber of Commerce: First ever Presidential endorsement in the history of the organization

In the 2008 Democratic Primary, Barack Obama received the endorsement of NARAL over Hillary Clinton.

However, Bernie Sanders has not received a single endorsement from a major women's group. This raises some red flags in my eyes. What is going on with Bernie Sanders and his campaign? Is he not reaching out to women organizations and their supporters? Is Bernie Sanders not connecting with women and their issues?

[randys1]

1. No it doesnt.

Hillary is likely to get these endorsements and the reasons why have nothing to do with Bernie or why he isnt.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

9. In 2008, NARAL endorsed Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton.

So, don't tell me that pro women groups are automatically going to support Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders is not connecting with pro women organizations. It raises some questions and red flags.

[randys1]

15. Cant she just enjoy the endorsements and not have it be something wrong with Bernie?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

21. All I am saying is that it raises some questions and red flags.

Barack Obama was able to get support from major pro women organizations in 2008 over Hillary Clinton. I am asking why Bernie Sanders is not able to get a single endorsement from major organizations that focus on women's issues. It's a legitimate concern.

[randys1]

30. OK, lets pretend we arent surrounded by people who have made Hillary supporters lives a living

hell, who have not taken thousands of pot shots at her right here at DU, and just talk about Bernie the man.

Do you believe there is anything in his record or voting history that would cause an actual concern for Women?

If so I want to hear it and talk about it.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

38. Yes.

Jeff Weaver the campaign manager for Bernie Sanders on Bloomberg Politics said "We're willing to give her more credit than Obama did. We're willing to consider her for vice president. We'll give her serious consideration. We'll even interview her." I thought this was demeaning and sexist.

Bernie Sanders shouts all the time. But when Hillary Clinton raises her voice to talk about Gun Control, he takes a swipe and says "All the shouting in the world..." I thought this was condescending and sexist.

[HerbChestnut]

67. What does that have to do with Bernie's voting history like randy asked?

And btw, neither of those quotes were sexist in any way and have been discussed many times on this forum. You're being overly sensitive.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

95. I'll let randy speak for himself. Nt

[HerbChestnut]

123. I'm asking *you*, not randy.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

130. Can you repeat the question please. Nt

[artislife]

132. I think you love flamebait.

Is this true?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

136. I love a healthy discussion. Why are we on DU if not to debate? Nt

[artislife]

138. You seem to like a lot of sides of debate...nt

[ProudToBeLiberal]

142. Ty. Nt

[artislife]

144. Moral compass seems to not be too important...cool to know.

Buh bye

[ProudToBeLiberal]

146. My beliefs are pretty well known. If you want to ask on my positions

Go ahead.

[progressoid]

223. How is this sexist?

"We're willing to give her more credit than Obama did. We're willing to consider her for vice president. We'll give her serious consideration. We'll even interview her."

[cali]

43. Considering there are far more Bernie supporters here, proportionately Hillary

supporters are obviously much worse.

[Ken Burch]

69. It raises no red flags.

Bernie has a perfect record on feminist, anti-racist, and LGBTQ issues.

The only reason threads like this are started are to perpetuate the right-wing myth that the struggles for social justice and economic justice are in conflict with each other. They never have been, they never will be.

And no struggle for social justice can ever truly be won as long as economic injustice is ignored. Rights are meaningless if you are too poor to use them.

[pangaia]

161. Can we drop the red flags bit?

Thanks.

[cali]

27. Grab a clue. She was not the prohibitive favorite in 2008.

[cascadiance]

48. And both of Obama and Hillary were on the sides of corporate donors in that election...

This election is different with Bernie not siding up to them. Kind of like unions where influence peddling by the "money people" have persuaded in a number of cases union leaders to endorse Hillary contrary to what most of union members wanted. Women's group leaders aren't immune to money machine influence peddling too, much like many in congress who aren't in safe districts either.

The red flags for me are where are the money people this election and what game they have. I suspected that they let John Edwards stay in until Super Tuesday last election to siphon away the more liberal votes that might have gone to someone like Kucinich so that they could early on narrow it down to two candidates that were both friendly to corporate America in that election. This election they don't have that option with someone to push Bernie aside like they did Kucinich then (even if Kucinich would have only been a "contrary" progressive voice during subsequent debates). So they are playing the buy the endorsement game this time around in my book. THAT is the red flag I see!

[Ken Burch]

73. Thank you. I'm now going to send you a pm on a totally unrelated topic.

Just sent it now, in fact.

[restorefreedom]

85. frickin A. nt

[djean111]

2. Doesn't raise any red flags for me.

And not getting the endorsements does not mean that his stances on women's issues are any different from Hillary's stances.
What raises a red flag for me is the implication that women should of course be supporting Hillary. As a woman, I find that condescending and pretty much insulting, as if, perhaps, women are too dumb to look into the issues, and just consider gender.

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. How did you get that "implication" from what the OP wrote? n/t

[quickesst]

113. I was just about to ask...

... the very same thing.

[1StrongBlackMan]

135. It takes a special power of perception ...

kind of like:

Voter 1: I can't support candidate "X" in the primaries because he/she prioritizes issue "Y" higher than my issue "Z", and "Z" is very important to me.

Fan of candidate X: Why are you calling "X" a {fill in what clearly wasn't said}.

Voter 1: I didn't.

Fan of candidate X: Well ... you implied it and I'm not stupid!

[quickesst]

150. Exactly

Excellent example, and not only for this instance, but for many more.

[1StrongBlackMan]

156. I know ...

That has been the flavor of DU, since May 2015. I have had this exact discussion more than a few times.

[Fawke Em]

186. First thing I thought of, too.

Probably because we're female Bernie supporters and you aren't.

[1StrongBlackMan]

187. True ... I guess.n/t

[Fawke Em]

191. Anecodotal, of course, but the majority of people in my local Bernie support group

are female - and by more than 51 percent. I'd say it's closer to 60 percent.

[1StrongBlackMan]

193. Your local what? Union? eom

[ProudToBeLiberal]

16. I even said that NARAL supported Barack Obama in 2008. Read my OP. nt

[Lil Missy]

3. She has worked for them (endorsements) and earned them.

[comradebillyboy]

4. Obviously they are all captives of the Oligarchs.../s

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. Endorsements don't matter!!!!! Unless ... n/t

[randys1]

18. We should be grateful that all good organizations, without exception, will endorse ONE of our two

....

That would be the way we would look at this if winning is really all that mattered.

[LiberalArkie]

35. I Totally Agree with you.

It does not demean one candidate and enhance another. It does mean that they are supporting a Democratic Party candidate.

[beam me up scottie]

6. Pfft.

Another exploitative op trying to paint Bernie as less than supportive of women.

He's not the one who supported a ban on late term abortions and pandered to anti-choice activists.

[leftofcool]

7. Didn't he say that women's issues were an "aside" or "wedge issues"

Or something similar to that? Women do not forget what is said.

[beam me up scottie]

8. No.

[JI7]

11. no .that was ralph Nader who does not like sanders

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. No. That was just about EVERY Bernie supporter ...

though he hasn't corrected them on that.

[randys1]

25. This would not surprise me, that folks have marginalized Women and minorities while

supporting Bernie.

Bernie wouldnt do that, ever.

But some would.

Psst, I have a secret to tell you: Bernie had no idea he would get this much attention and be this popular, he assumed Hillary would be the next Prez, no matter what, and what he wanted to do was single issue her ad infinitum so she would do better on Wall Street

[comradebillyboy]

37. An interesting and plausable perspective...nt

[stevil]

112. I agree

I always thought that was the angle, just my opinion. If he takes it all the way, all the better for everyone.

[beam me up scottie]

28. Links?

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. Oh ... You want to play the ...

"When did that happen? I haven't seen it {while batting your eyes innocently}" game? Isn't that cute?

No thanks! ... But here is a little exercise: type "Wedge Issue" or "Divisive" into the DU: Google, click on all the DUers using the term, click of their profile and note their favorite group.

[beam me up scottie]

50. So your claim is bogus, isn't that "cute"? Thanks for clearing that up.

[1StrongBlackMan]

101. No ... I just won't play the game ...

I know how it ends ... I get alerted on and hidden, for calling out DUers ... and you run to the favorite group of those that constantly refer to gender (and race) issues as divisive and brag or seek PM high-5s.

[beam me up scottie]

108. Umm hmmm, sure you would.

I'm sure you'd have no trouble proving that "just about EVERY Bernie supporter" said "that women's issues were an "aside" or "wedge issues"".

[1StrongBlackMan]

114. I could prove that the ONLY duers that have said ...

race or gender issues are wedge issues have been Bernie supporters.

[Mnpaul]

170. And what do you call this OP?

it sure looks like gender is being used in this thread

[Goblinmonger]

196. So have at it. And then prove your original claim.

I know it sucks when people want you to actually support what you are spewing. The key here would be to stop using such a broad brush. Though I know that doesn't make good hyperbole.

[1StrongBlackMan]

197. I have already stated why I will not post links to prove my claim ...

No ... I just won't play the game ... I know how it ends ... I get alerted on and hidden, for calling out DUers ... and you run to the favorite group of those that constantly refer to gender (and race) issues as divisive and brag or seek PM high-5s.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=981646

and, I have already provided a way for you, or any other doubter of my claim, to test my claim for themselves:

here is a little exercise: type "Wedge Issue" or "Divisive" into the DU: Google, click on all the DUers using the term, click of their profile and note their favorite group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=981474

It's pretty simple, though I doubt you will do it ... because it allows you to feign ignorance.

[Goblinmonger]

198. Well, there are these

Ghouliani has created a wedge issue in the GOP.

Be forwarmed that the GOP will try to create this wedge issue

Those two were on the first page of your magic search and disprove your claim.

Ball's in your court.

[1StrongBlackMan]

199. What about the rest of the posts, most notably, the first several? eom.

[Goblinmonger]

201. Who cares about those? We are talking about disproving your claim.

The two examples I gave do disprove your claim. You can try and move the goalposts all you want, but I'm not falling for it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

204. Okay. n/t

[AlbertCat]

200. I have already stated why I will not post links to prove my claim ...

So you got nothin'.... as usual. Just making stuff up and getting all puffed up when that is pointed out....again.

Pitiful....again

[1StrongBlackMan]

205. Okay. n/t

[leftofcool]

31. I never hear him talk about any issue unless it concerns an oligarch.

[cascadiance]

79. Perhaps because you feel it personal if you share concerns for the oligarchs?

He has mentioned many different issues, even if he emphasizes that because no other candidate wants to take on the oligarchy that will screw everyone and any ability to resolve any issue in our favor as a democracy if they are allowed to get any more power.

This is typical. Try to make it sound like Bernie needs to talk about EVERY issue in the election on every occasion he speaks in public or else he's "ignoring" those issues that he doesn't talk about and doesn't care about them. Typical BS that's been happening when they don't have any way to criticize any stances he's taken directly when they are supported by a majority of Democrats and Americans for many topics as well.

[cascadiance]

70. So... we ALL don't support women? Ever notice how many of us have had and still have EW images...

... in our sigs and have had them there even longer than we've had Bernie images? It's because we not only hoped her as a woman would get elected, but also stood with her stances on many of the issues that she's stood with Bernie on.

To characterize us as anti-woman because we don't support Hillary or to dismiss our concerns for women's organizations in the same fashion is frankly insulting to many of us.

I still hope for and think it would be a great strategy for Bernie to have Elizabeth Warren as his running mate and if he does perhaps even go so far as to committing himself to being a one term president, in order to pave the way for her to be president in 2020.

I have earlier on a number of occasions said that I earlier preferred Elizabeth Warren over Bernie as a candidate to back, precisely due to circumstances like we see in this thread, since I knew that someone like Warren would be less apt to have the gender identity card played against her the way that many would play the gender card here now even in this thread. I want to see a focus in this election on issues, as those issues are probably more important to decide who should be president than in any other election in our lifetime.

[1StrongBlackMan]

206. That's not what I said ... but I suspect you know that. n/t

[AlbertCat]

210. That's not what I said ...

Yeah...


"Just about all" is not "all"

Jesus, you are ridiculous!

[1StrongBlackMan]

212. Ignore still works.

[cascadiance]

217. Well, you were just replying that just about every Bernie Supporter was treating women's issues

... as "aside" or "wedge" issues, which is pretty equivalent to accusing them of not supporting women or their issues in my book.

[1StrongBlackMan]

218. Okay. n/t

[CharlotteVale]

74. How dare you say that? I am a woman, I've volunteered for NARAL,

I've marched, and I've donated plenty to them and PP over the years. Nobody better ever say I don't support women's issues!

Now I'm voting for Bernie.

Your comment is wrong and disgusting.

[1StrongBlackMan]

208. That's not what I said. n/t

[CharlotteVale]

215. Yes it is. I know what you said. You insulted Sanders supporters in

a very ugly way.

[1StrongBlackMan]

216. Okay. n/t

[m-lekktor]

89. awww aren't you precious

[1StrongBlackMan]

209. Some people that know me, think I am. n/t

[AlbertCat]

211. Some people that know me, think I am.

But not "just about all" the people who know you!

No one "knows" you here. You could be...uh...white for all we know.

[1StrongBlackMan]

213. So I see Albertcat has found a new toy! n/t

[cali]

10. Dog fucking shit. Bernie has a fantastic record.

[Art_from_Ark]

84. What else would you expect from someone who uses hit pieces from neocon websites

to smear Bernie?

It's just par for the course with that "liberal".

[restorefreedom]

90. don't hold back, cali

tell us how you really feel.

excellent response, btw!

[JI7]

13. do you question O'malley record on this issue ?

[earthside]

14. Ditto. No it doesn't.

This is just the old establishment machine tottering along.

[tularetom]

19. Gee, last month you were all worried that Sanders had no support from black groups

Now that that situation seems to be rapidly changing, you're all of a sudden all concerned that he has no support from women's groups.

I'm sure that the Sanders campaign will take note of your sincere concern and treat it with the seriousness it deserves.

Personally, I think these groups are making a big mistake endorsing any candidate, but I guess those in charge feel they are somewhat painted into a corner. After all, how would it look to their membership if they failed to endorse the first semi serious female presidential candidate.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

32. Last month I was worried about Bernie Sander's stances against gun control. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

34. That situation ...

Bernie's lack of support among the main of the Black electorate is NOT "rapidly changing" ... But than, again, going from single digit support to the low to middle teens, in 7 months of campaigning, could be consider "rapid growth in support" ... Hell, his support numbers have more than tripled!

[tularetom]

57. Well, since you represent precisely one more black voter than I do

I defer to your unbiased and thoughtful opinion on the matter

I will, however, state for the record, we'll see.

[1StrongBlackMan]

105. My opinion is informed by the polling ...

whereas, your opinion appears to be informed by other (and largely, non-Black) Bernie supporters.

[Kentonio]

20. Sorry but 'Bernie doesn't connect with women'

Was Novembers talking point for Clinton supporters. It stopped after the polls showed it to be nonsense. Didn't you get the memo?

[thereismore]

22. Emily's list is heavily invested, and I mean invested, in Clinton.

No surprise there!

Planned Parenthood? Fine. Clinton has been vocal about that issue. Fine.

Not a red flag though, considering that Hillary is a woman and Bernie isn't.

[Maedhros]

23. Political endorsements are transactional in nature.

Key individuals in each of those organizations have likely been promised something - a position in the Administration, support on a key issue, favorable treatment - in exchange for their endorsements. It's how Washington works inside the Beltway.

Bernie doesn't play that game.

[Divernan]

51. Promised something +/or threatened with Hill's revenge list

[cali]

24. Shockingly, women's organisations are supporting the prohibitive favorite

who is also a woman.

This op is slimy. Vile.

Shame on YOU. Again.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

41. Jury results

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Disagreements and criticism is fine. This posts goes beyond by attacking the OP in a very personal manner.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:44 PM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ooooh! Another opportunity to score a hide on cali, tee hee tee hee! Quick, hit the button. tee hee!
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sadly I have had to lower my standards and let a lot more slide during the primary season; however, this is beyond the pale
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Get a thicker skin. The person calls the POST slimy, not the postER. If you think this is a personal attack, you need to move to another forum.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: As a woman, I can understand cali's frustration with the stance that women who support Bernie Sanders for our Democratic Presidential Nominee are somehow betraying our gender. No matter what those organizations do, we are all free to choose the candidate who we feel will best represent us. I think that the thrust of the original post is a pretty low blow and don't see cali's reply as a personal attack, at all.

[beam me up scottie]

44. You alerted on cali for responding to your flamebait?

How predictable.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

45. I like to be transparent. That's why I post the jury results.

cali has been following me around for weeks and attacking me. I finally got tired of it and alerted. I broke down. Do you blame me?

[cali]

47. Lol. Hardly. You are being creative with that claim.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

49. Can we call a truce? I don't want to fight with you. nt

[cali]

54. Sure. Don't post false claims and you and I have no problem.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

58. Why did you have to add a qualifier? I offered by hand in peace... nt

[Maedhros]

66. Not very convincingly. [n/t]

[Deny and Shred]

78. You just defended posting false claims

Congrats.

Let's be friends, but only as long as you don't take offense to my lying through my teeth whenever I feel like it.

...no justice, no peace ...

[ProudToBeLiberal]

107. This is between me and cali. Nt

[Deny and Shred]

116. You don't expect other comments on a message board? Ok.

After my observation, this is how you defend yourself? Yikes. You're still eager to have the freedom to lie.

Have at it with Cali. I'll stay away. You are not fighting from a position of strength, though.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

203. DENIED.

If it's between you and Cali, you'd better get busy with private messaging. You don't get to dictate who gets to talk about what on an open board.

[jeff47]

103. So, your post starts to stink and you want help cleaning it up?

That's cute.

If you want to hide what you flung against the wall, delete post is right there.

[beam me up scottie]

59. Oh you're transparent alright.

The hit piece you posted on Jane Sanders from Freebeacon last night was also very enlightening.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

62. That's not fair. I was about to delete it when it got hidden. You know better nt.

[beam me up scottie]

68. Why did you post that despicable article to begin with?

You admitted you knew it was from a right wing source.

A hit piece on Bernie's WIFE no less.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

82. I found out progressive today was a right wing front after I posted the article. Nt

[beam me up scottie]

86. You posted the article from Freebeacon, remember?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

94. Yeah, but I also included to what I thought was a progressive source.

I included two links. One from Washington Beacon and second from progressivetoday. I thought PT was left wing. When people told me it was right wing, I was about to delete the thread until it was hidden. I emailed you yesterday what happened.

[beam me up scottie]

98. You added the second link later. When asked about the Freebeacon link you said this;

ProudToBeLiberal

2. People on DU have been using right wing sites to attack Hillary Clinton.

I didn't see you or Bernie supporters criticizing this practice. Now all of a sudden when the tables are turned, you're sounding the alarm. Hmmm this double standard....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=979039

Nice try but you knew FB was a right wing source and posted it anyway

[ProudToBeLiberal]

100. My point still stands on both fronts. Nt

[beam me up scottie]

102. What point was that? To me links to rw sources are a RED FLAG.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

104. I emailed you yesterday. How come you are acting like it never happened. Nt

[beam me up scottie]

110. Your pm is irrelevant, why did you post a right wing hit piece on Bernie's wife?

I fail to see what your "point" was.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

115. I sent you two emails. You only replied to one yesterday. Please read them again. Nt

[beam me up scottie]

118. You didn't answer my question so I'm asking you here, why did you post an article from Freebeacon?

If you're so concerned with liberal cred, why shouldn't we question yours for posting a right wing hit piece on a candidate's family?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

119. Why are you acting like you don't know the answer? I already emailed you twice yesterday. Nt

[beam me up scottie]

120. You didn't answer. Why did you post a right wing hit piece on a candidate's family?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

122. I already answered. If you have a problem with my response then

I can do nothing about it. Beam me up scottie

[beam me up scottie]

128. No you didn't. As a liberal I don't see any reason to post that kind of vile smear on DU.

But maybe that's just me.

[R B Garr]

126. That was originally from the Vermont Guardian

from 2005. But that bit of info doesn't get posts.hidden, so it's ignored.


Why would Vermont Guardian print anything about Vermont's elected officials?

[beam me up scottie]

134. The FreeBeacon article was posted but nice try. And didn't you post a link to progressivestoday too?

Why yes you did, another poster who has no problem citing right wing sources on DU.

As long as it's Bernie's family being smeared it's all good, isn't it?

[R B Garr]

151. The article was originally from the VERMONT GUARDIAN

It says so clearly in the first part of the website link.

Explain why the Vermont Guardian would write articles about Vermont's elected officials.

[beam me up scottie]

153. The links were to FREEBEACON and PROGRESSIVESTODAY. How is that not clear?

[R B Garr]

160. LMAO! THIS is why you are not credible.

They used a source article from the VERMONT GUARDIAN.

THIS reminds me of the woo type who posted a cover website to slam Hillary, but when you went to the ORIGINAL SOURCE, it was Fox News. They haven't posted since May after that was pointed out.

[beam me up scottie]

162. I'm not the one linking to racist tea party websites, so it's not my credibility that's questionable

[R B Garr]

171. AGAIN. The original source is the VERMONT GUARDIAN.

This is why you are not credible.

[beam me up scottie]

172. AGAIN, you both linked to racist tea party websites when you didn't need to. Why?

You still can't see how that makes you look?

If the article could be found at another website why put money in the pockets of racist tea partiers by linking to their sites instead?

Especially when you know they're racists?

And not deleting them when called on it, what's your excuse for that?

Credibility: ur doin it wrong.

[R B Garr]

173. The original source is VERMONT GUARDIAN

I understand that won't help you get posts hidden, though so you must post the same tripe.

And LMAO that you and your cronies cheer the Trump teabaggers (so-called progressives) when Bernie wants to woo them. But you are outraged by those same "progressives" using a Vermont paper to criticize him. So phony.

[beam me up scottie]

174. So why did you link to the racist tea party websites?

And LMAO that you and your cronies cheer the Trump teabaggers (so-called progressives) when Bernie wants to woo them. But you are outraged by those same "progressives" using a Vermont paper to criticize him. So phony.

Link to me cheering "Trump teabaggers"? Tia!

Seems to me you're the one linking to their sites.

And wow, you still think progressivestoday is a progressive website?

[R B Garr]

175. Ha. Right on schedule with the same tripe.

The original source is the VERMONT GUARDIAN. I saw it right away. What's your excuse?

And LOL, at defending Trump "progressives". His supporters are called progressives , too

[beam me up scottie]

178. Nice dodge. I didn't link to those sites so I don't need an excuse, but you do. What is it?

And LMAO that you and your cronies cheer the Trump teabaggers (so-called progressives) when Bernie wants to woo them. But you are outraged by those same "progressives" using a Vermont paper to criticize him. So phony.

Link to me cheering "Trump teabaggers"?

Surely you're not making that up?

If you can't provide a link then I'll have to assume you're lying.

[R B Garr]

182. LOL at the memory lapse.

Look up the threads here about Bernie wooing Trump "progressives".

You can remember what people posted months ago but you can't manage to remember the angry Trump "progressives' Bernie is wooing. This is why you have no credibility.

[beam me up scottie]

184. Link or slink. Otherwise it looks like you're lying. And you already have a credibility problem.

What with linking to racist right wing websites and all.

What's it going to be?

1) link to me cheering

2) admit you made up shit about me

3) have everyone assume you did

It's up to you.

[R B Garr]

189. Hilarious! Now come your command dittties

where you command people to fetch you links so you can cover up your lack of credibility and deception.

The Trump "progressives" are non-stop on the news. I was just watching them being interviewed at a Trump rally covered on MSNBC. It was all over DU. Still is.

AND LMAO that you keep trying to save face for being confused about the original source of VERMONT GUARDIAN who slammed Bernie. I saw it right away. What's your excuse???

[beam me up scottie]

190. #3 it is! Thanks for playing!

[R B Garr]

192. More ditties! Cartoons on the way!

Typical and predictable.

[uppityperson]

26. They probably think he's not electable and are worried that the GOPers will win

That's the most likely reason.

[azmom]

29. Fail

[JonLeibowitz]

33. I wouldn't be so Proud of EMILY's list.

In 2008 one of the candidates they endorsed ran this ad, and only rescinded their endorsement on the day of the election (when it didn't matter):



If we can judge Bernie for whose endorsements he has not gotten, does that not also mean we can judge Hillary for the endorsements she has gotten? Think about it.

[dlwickham]

137. so you're faulting Emily's List for what?

[JonLeibowitz]

143. Standing by their bigoted candidate until, allegedly, one of their major Jewish donors threatened

to pull support.

[dlwickham]

157. allegedly

I'll give you that

but was this race that only one that you've taken issue with in regards to Emily's List endorsing a candidate or is this just a case of sour grapes

[JonLeibowitz]

165. They have committed other 'crimes' as well.

I recommend downwithtyranny's coverage of EMILY's list. Generally, they have a habit of backing conservative women who happen to be pro-choice (sometimes not even, as was the case in Hawaii) over more progressives who are fully pro-choice.

I believe, but I'd have to do the research again to verify, they have previously endorsed Republican women over Democrats who happened to be male, because the woman was pro-choice.

[dlwickham]

169. endorsing a more conservative candidate is a "crime"?

interesting

[JonLeibowitz]

177. I was being a little incendiary there, so I used quotes to indicate I wasn't entirely serious

But I am not alone in such an indictment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMILY%27s_List#Criticism

[Armstead]

36. Red flags....Sounds scary

[Phlem]

39. Oh No's. Not the red flag!

[Tarc]

40. Given the frequent anti-DWS tirades by Sanders fans around here

this isn't a bit surprising. There's an overall problem-with-women from top to bottom over there.

[Tennis Magnet]

42. You'd think so.

Bernie has more women donors than Clinton.

Does that surprise you?

[cascadiance]

52. Just a matter of time before someone played the identity card...

... since they really can't make a case for Clinton over Bernie on issues that real Democratic Party voters care about!

I wonder if you'd reject someone saying you were anti-black if you stood against Clarence Thomas's nomination to the Supreme Court, or if you are anti-woman if you didn't support McCain because he had Sarah Palin as his running mate in the last election? See how that works (or DOESN'T work!!)?

[Punkingal]

63. Ridiculous post.

[beam me up scottie]

72. So anyone who wants DWS out has "an overall problem with women"?

[cascadiance]

92. I guess we shouldn't want to replace Clarence Thomas or we might have an "overall problem with POC"

... as well? They both in many of our books threaten the future of progressive leadership in our country that is not relevant to their identity. With you totally that DWS is a problem that needs to go if the Democratic Party wants to make a wave election happen in this coming election to make changes that are needed in this country to work for the interests of the average American, and not the corrupted leadership and its cronies we currently have in the party.

[jeff47]

109. Because presiding over the greatest electoral failure ever is not enough reason

Can't possibly be the massive electoral failures under her leadership, and the massive failures in scheduling debates to minimize viewership, and her refusal to back Democrats running against her Republican friends.

No, it has to be her gender.

[blackspade]

176. Oh, please.

Thinking DWS is the worst DNC chair of my lifetime has absolutely nothing to do with gender.
It's her actions.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

207. I seriously question anyone who supports that piece of shit.

[NurseJackie]

53. My take on it is that they're endorsing the candidate they believe is most likely to win.

An endorsement for one candidate isn't always a vote against the other candidate. It doesn't necessarily mean that something is "wrong" with the other candidate. It just means that they think one candidate is better than the other/s, or that one candidate has a better chance than the other/s. They have a preference and they're expressing that preference in the hopes of influencing others.

It appears that more organizations prefer Hillary.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

56. Finally someone offers a reasonable answer.

Everyone else is just attacking me and ignoring the questions that I asked. Thank you for answering my question in a polite and reasonable manner.

[R B Garr]

158. Yes, they are desperate to shut you down so

you are treated to bogus attacks in the hopes that they can score a hidden post. Any Bernie Questioner is treated to this same nonsense.

I agree with your observations about the lack of endorsements.

[restorefreedom]

97. thank you!

they like and support hillary. they may see her as the statitstical fave. many organizations have. its their right. doesn't mean they hate bernie or that there is anything "antiwoman" about him.

can i get an interfaith/atheist friendly amen?

[CoffeeCat]

55. The only red flags being risen

are in your own head.

Once again, a ridiculous attempt at building an anti-Bernie narrative.

FAIL.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

60. Did you like my formatting and presentation? nt

[CoffeeCat]

166. As I glanced at your post,

I was wondering why someone with stellar graphic-design skills would be posting on DU.

Obviously, your home is just strewn with awards and trophies.

[beam me up scottie]

167. LMAO!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

168. Ty, I always tried to get good grades growing up. Nt

[arcane1]

61. Your concern is noted. No word on O'Malley?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

65. The focus is on Bernie Sanders. nt

[arcane1]

71. Of course it is

[beam me up scottie]

75. Why? O'Malley doesn't have any endorsements from women's groups either.

Isn't that a RED FLAG?

[cascadiance]

81. Translation: They are scared of the red flag of Bernie's chances to win...

... so they have to emphasize every conspiracy theory they see against him they can echo to stave off history repeating itself from 2008 where she lost a big lead to Obama happening again this time around too.

[beam me up scottie]

91. They also don't like the fact that Bernie has more women donors.

So they have to manufacture a new meme.

[CharlotteVale]

87. LOL, that's a very good question. One that will never be answered.

[beam me up scottie]

93. RED FLAGS!!! RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE!!!

[restorefreedom]

99. my eyes!!!

[beam me up scottie]

64. And yet Bernie has more women donors than Hillary.

And the vast majority of women in DU support him as well.

Are we faux feminists?

[Sheepshank]

214. Empty rhetoric on DU women supporters, when 85% of of all DU are Bernie supporters

I suppose you gotta make Bernie look good somehow.

[beam me up scottie]

219. I don't need to make Bernie "look good" since his record on women's rights is better.

You should know better since this has been explained to you guys repeatedly.

[mmonk]

76. Yeah, it's due to his positions NOT.

Can't talk real issues?

[jeff47]

111. Of course not. Talking issues does not produce the result this poster wants. (nt)

[jkbRN]

77. HILLARY (female) is his competition

go away, please.

& try to make your next post useful.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

80. Jury results

On Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie's lack of endorsements from pro-women organizations raises some red flags
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251981301

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Suggesting that Senator Sanders isn't supportive of women's rights is over the top. That's no different than claims of racism.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:53 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I believe someone may address this in the replies to the post. It is clear that Bernie is strong on women's issues, however, many women's groups, I believe, are stuck on the notion of a woman running for and winning the presidency. I hope someone points this out, but the post does not bother me.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: *sigh*
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nothing to hide here. If you disagree, please rebut. Please stop these pointless alerts.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: @Alerter: It could also be suggesting that Hillary Clinton is more supportive, or that those groups have more confidence in Hillary Clinton. This is a silly alert and not worth hiding. The best options would be to trash the thread, put the poster on ignore, or rebut the post.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Suggesting the lack of endorsements from women's groups is sexist or racists is over the top by the alerter, the endorsements by any group is theirs to make. It may be the fact the endorsement was made because another candidate because they feel one is receptive of a groups stand on the issues important to the group.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[NurseJackie]

106. WOW! 7 to 0 ... That's interesting.

... and unusual.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

124. Another 1 of my post in the Hillary group got a 0-7 decision to leave it

These days people are willing to alert anything from a Clinton supporter.

[MuseRider]

83. Why worry?

Every single event I have been to for Bernie has been 60% -70% women. Look at the crowds. Are they mostly men? Nope.

Relax, let us worry when we feel like we need to worry.

We really do not need your concern posts, I don't think any of US are concerned.

[NCTraveler]

88. We have an extremely impressive team. Nt

[glinda]

96. Emily's List and any Chamber of Commerce does not surprise me.

[LexVegas]

117. Of course it does. nt

[Amimnoch]

121. Good to see the best candidate getting them.

Go Hillary!

[emulatorloo]

125. Sorry, no. Your deceptive OP does raise some red flags with me.

Promote and congratulate HRC on these endorsements. Don't unfairly smear Bernie with them.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

133. I'm killing two birds with one stone. Nt

[winter is coming]

127. What raises a red flag with me are the constant baseless insinuations that Sanders is sexist.

[Bjornsdotter]

129. I don't follow....

...how does it raise a red flag?

This 55 year old, female, business owner, former teacher, mom of a son & daughter feels that Bernie understands my issues completely and has fully connected with me.

[dlwickham]

131. oligarchs

or whatever the bern bots are calling them today

[Phlem]

139. Wow.

"or whatever the bern bots are calling them today"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy

is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people might be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, religious or military control.

Throughout history, oligarchies have often been tyrannical, relying on public obedience or oppression to exist. Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich,[4] for which another term commonly used today is plutocracy

Now you know.

Jesus!

Ask yourself why America exists in the first Fucking place!? Way to represent!

[dlwickham]

140. I know what an oligarch is

I just wonder if the bern bots do since they like to toss that word around so freely

[Phlem]

141. Wow.

You really are that

" I know what an oligarch is", yeah sure ya do. And I'm a purple unicorn who farts money.

[dlwickham]

155. wow

I've never seen a purple unicorn

pink yes but never purple

[Ed Suspicious]

148. What do hill people call them?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

149. 1%. Nt

[Phlem]

183. Friends in all the right places.

Backroom buddies, Wall Street Henchmen, etc.......

[Karma13612]

145. Well, lets see:

Planned Parenthood is making a big mistake
Emily's List has been pro-women all along
NOW-come on, the word Women is in their name
NARAL-ProChoice America-not familiar with them enuf to make any comments
US Women's C of C- Well if they are anything like the regular CoC, then I don't have much use for them. The CoC is not on the 99% side. They are on the side of business including big insurance.

So, am I disappointed? Yes
Am I surprised? Not in the least.

[Historic NY]

147. It like his Congressional & Senate buddies......

how many endorsed him.

[Karma13612]

152. If Bernie asks Elizabeth Warren to be his VP,

there are going to be some VERY embarrassed organizations.

Ha!!!!!

[Gothmog]

154. The Endorsement Primary

According to Nate Silver, Sanders is not doing well in the endorsement primary http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

In presidential primaries, endorsements have been among the best predictors of which candidates will succeed and which will fail. So we’re keeping track.

Hillary Clinton 456
Bernie Sanders 2
Martin O'Malley 1

Before any votes are cast, presidential candidates compete for the support of influential members of their party, especially elected officials like U.S. representatives, senators and governors. During the period known as the “invisible primary,” these “party elites” seek to coalesce around the candidates they find most acceptable as their party’s nominee. Over the past few decades, when these elites have reached a consensus on the best candidate, rank-and-file voters have usually followed.

Of course, not all endorsements are equally valuable. We use a simple weighting system: 10 points for governors, 5 points for U.S. senators and 1 point for U.S. representatives (there are roughly five times as many representatives as senators and 10 times as many representatives as governors).

[pangaia]

159. What is going on with Bernie Sanders and his campaign?

Is he not reaching out to women organizations and their supporters? Is Bernie Sanders not connecting with women and their issues?

What is going on with women's organizations? Are they not paying attention to Sanders' campaign?

[emsimon33]

163. The red flag that it raises is whether women should continue to support these organizations

They sure have not been very successfully in stopping erosion of women's rights and now they support Hillary.

[TheFarS1de]

181. Nail meet hammer .

The issue is very self evident .

[Starry Messenger]

164. RIP their FB page.

[silvershadow]

179. The premise is laughable. Other than that, carry on. nt

[Prism]

180. Which of Sanders's votes on women's issues is problematic?

Surely this red flag has some concrete substantiation.

[Fawke Em]

185. The only red flag it raises with me is this:

Women's groups are being sexist and endorsing Clinton because of her vagina. Period.

I know Bernie's better for women than Hillary. Both are fine on choice, but Bernie is better for poor, working and middle class women with his Family Leave proposals and his championing to stave off massive income inequality.

And, I'm female.

[DCBob]

188. Bernie's focus is on economics..

and often neglects other critical issues important to women and minorities.

[DJ13]

194. If the Hair Club For Men endorses Trump is that also bad for Bernie?

[Alfresco]

195. Bernie has been paying lip service to all "rights" issues. People notice.

[winter is coming]

222. That's completely untrue. Shame on you for posting such blatant bullshit. n/t

[Sheepshank]

202. Chris Matthews interviewed Hillary a couple of days ago

and one of the topics was women's issues.

To hear Hillary talk about the historical struggles and inequality women have, and continue to face, to hear all of the work Hillary has done on behalf of women here and abroad, to hear in her voice and words the instinctual and visceral understanding of how it feels to constantly have to work for valued recognition, it becomes very very clear that Bernie may vote for bills others sponsor, but he himself will never understand or advocate in a way Hillary could.

Hillary has a track record of speaking out publicly and in high levels meetings with leaders, and speaking at events (for decades now) advocating for women. Hillary's actions are speaking much much louder than Bernie's words.

[Alfresco]

220. Kick

[Attorney in Texas]

221. I agree that the endorsement raised a red flag about Planned Parenthood, and I withdrew from Planned

Parenthood this week to express my concern.

I am redirecting my financial support by donating directly to candidates (all of whom who support Planned Parenthood). I feel confident that my contributions directly to candidates will help Democrats regain seats in Congress and will help promote a progressive agenda that includes Planned Parenthood but is also broader than Planned Parenthood.

I know Planned Parenthood will get along just fine without my continued direct financial support.

[mcar]

224. K&R