2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo the BS'ers are throwing PP under the bus?
Fuck---maybe I should stay suspended by DU.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)who have decided to use Bernie's campaign as a weapon in their own private war against reality
trumad
(41,692 posts)emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)Cha
(297,195 posts)mcar
(42,307 posts)Reddit was yet again insanity-ville. It was worse than Jong Lewis' endorsement.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)May not mean much to you, but just a few days ago I was talking about how you and a few other Sanders supporters have always stood up against the loud and frequent attacks against minorities here.
I appreciate that immensely.
Edit: And I just noticed that emulator and josh were two of the folks high fiving your post. I sincerely appreciate all of you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Credit where credit id due, and gratefully so.
JI7
(89,248 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)about Sanders supporters who have very clearly and loudly taken issue with the frequent attacks on minority posters and positions here.
I appreciate you too.
On this site i can't even relate to many who claim to support him.
Too many conspiracy theory types. And obsession with going after other democrats rather than doing anything for the candidate they say they support.
After this election and years from now it will be the same thing from them. Look back on many of their older posts . The same shit back then also.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And we certainly are on this point:
obsession with going after other democrats rather than doing anything for the candidate they say they support.
Yep. And you're right. None of this new and in fact has been going on for YEARS.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)So you know it's not originating from real life, substantial, supporters. Imagine if a Sanders supporter wore a t-shirt to a meetup saying "I'm not donating to Planned Parenthood because of their endorsement!" or some shit like that. Do you know how quickly that person would be ostracized, completely avoided?
Meanwhile if Sanders loses this thing (I'm not deluded, I know he's a long shot), and endorses Clinton, every smear that they use for Clinton supporters would apply to Sanders. Every single smear, because he'll be supporting Clinton. If that happens and Sanders goes on to stump for Clinton even 1/10th of the effort she expended for Obama in 2008 (no one should ever forget how gracefully she bowed out and how strong she campaigned, with Bill's reticence), he'll be nothing less than a "Clinton champion." How do you think his online "supporters" will react to that?
JI7
(89,248 posts)people who support him aren't obsessed with who the DNC Chair is . they are talking about Sanders himself and why he should be president. why they want him to be president. and it has nothing to do with hillary or others being evil.
it's about what they like about sanders himself.
when i saw many of the worst "sanders supporters" online push the 9/11 conspiracy theories i knew these people were not really about supporting him. they have another agenda and using him to push it.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Much appreciated.
randys1
(16,286 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)... and Randy, Emul, Tom R..... I could go on and on. Lot's of great SBS supporters on this board.
cali
(114,904 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)against the loud minority of those Sanders supporters who are making outrageous claims about PP.
JMHO of course.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Thanks a bushel
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:54 PM - Edit history (1)
99Forever
(14,524 posts)You remember that, doncha?
Truth instead of "truthiness?"
Perhaps not.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Now, that got some people really upset and now they want to with hold funds which they think will actually hurt PP/Hillary. They didn't know that the rest of us would just triple or quadruple our donations to make up the difference. Welcome back
cali
(114,904 posts)And said I it doesn't alter my support, you said essentially, that I was lying and begrudged the endorsement.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I have absolutely no problem with Bernie, but his supporters at DU are an embarrassment.
bobGandolf
(871 posts)There are supporters from both camps have been an embarrassment on DU.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I would be disappointed otherwise.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)upon which time they promptly reversed course, was the beginning of it.
That initial attack on BLM set the tone for everything that happened afterward. Unfortunately, that was much more than his supporters on DU. I think that somewhere around half his supporters, beyond DU, are like that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And it wasn't a BLM "group" at all. It has been a small number of individual members.
All while simultaneously shrieking endlessly about "Camp Weathervane."
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Unbelievable.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)The way he was berated, and attacked here..add that to the sickening Trend
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Most Bernie supporters here are just fine with PP. Sure, they disagree with the endorsement, but they don't have any problems with the organization itself.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)Kind of tells you something eh?
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)You'll notice that a lot of people are disappointed by what's happening to PP regarding the endorsement and that many are advocating donating to both Bernie and PP. Even the OP shares their disappointment.
trumad
(41,692 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)I support both PP and Bernie Sanders.
I believe it was a mistake for PP to endorse anybody. I had always seen them as a non-partisan group in Democratic Primaries. (This IS their first Primary endorsement).
Not anymore. They have hitched their wagon to the Conservative Democrats now, and
I don't believe they will be able to "unhitch" it.
That was a huge mistake.
I will continue to support Planned Parenthood, but will make my displeasure with their meddling in Primary Party Politics known.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)If Sanders got the endorsement you wouldn't be complaining about meddling.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Response to joshcryer (Reply #95)
bvar22 This message was self-deleted by its author.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)Don't like the idea of them endorsing during the primary, which is something they have never done before, they have always stood above it all. Damn proud of that rec, gonna go kick it now.
cali
(114,904 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)pp bigwig's daughter apparently working for Hillary? Does seem like a conflict of interest situation, but they waded in anyway and endorsed prior to the primary being concluded. I imagine most financial supporters will realign with pp but many want to show that they should be considered as well.
trumad
(41,692 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)mud is truly disturbing. Lily Adams has a long history of working on democratic campaigns,her mother has fought for reproductive rights her whole adult life,her grandmother was governor of Texas and an icon in the woman's rights movement. That's 3 goddamned generations of women who have fought for democrats and women. This disgusts me beyond belief.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)hires the daughter. I find that a little too cozy and convenient and oh so much like what Hillary does.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)sorry that you replied. but oh well.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)"See, we told you Bernie was better on women's issues because PP endorsed him."
randys1
(16,286 posts)I LOVED this part
brilliant prose, right to the god damn point...
I am now a fan
cali
(114,904 posts)MrChuck
(279 posts)You don't arrive at a place in your life where you support Sanders as a candidate and simultaneously seek to dismantle an agency like PP. If you do then you are extremely on the rare.
So what could motivate this backlash? Could it be that the endorsement is a slap in the face to TWO other democratic candidates that have great records standing up for women's rights and PP?
It's dirty fucking pool and that's why people are mad.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)...at all. Most of the men in Congress, even Dems, are oh so squeamish when it comes to the full range of women's necessary health care. Mr Chuck.
PP is constantly under attack, often physical and deadly attack. Who stood up for them in Congress, even testifying before their all-male committee? Hillary Clinton, that's who.
You say: "It's dirty fucking pool and that's why people are mad." You bet it is. Just coming the other way.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)That group of Sanders supporters is ready to throw anyone under the bus at anytime if they dare endorse someone other than Saint Bernard. And they are just as ready to reverse course if some of that group endorse Bernie, as we saw with BLM.
They're not just cranks, depending on the person, cranks can be somewhat funny or interesting.
This particular group of Sanders supporters are mean, angry, rabid cranks.
randys1
(16,286 posts)the GOP takes the WH?
Do they think that is hyperbole by folks like me?
Are they that out of touch?
Maybe they should look at Flint MI, do they YET have water?
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Makes you wonder...
cali
(114,904 posts)that there's any conflict of interest
but but but...Bernie has his family work for him.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)young woman choosing to want to work for Hillary real easily. As for the organization supporting HRC for the primary, so what. Even if throwing PP's support behind HRC was necessary to get Lily Adams the job with HRC, I still do not see a problem. None of them are holders of any political office at this time. I have know plenty of business people hire business friends kids for jobs.
As far as "OMG Bernie won't support PP now", I really can't see him ever not supporting Planned Parenthood and especially women rights.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)get experience. It's a highly qualified operative joining a campaign.
This is Ann Richards's granddaughter-she was born into political activism.
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)And she's not some "kid"
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)How biased and tunnel-visioned does a PAC have to be not to see that coming?
trumad
(41,692 posts)But according to you---it's a popular backlash.
You BS'ers need to coordinate a bit better.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)It's a group composed of individuals that often see the same bullshit smeared on the wall.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)that has secret rooms.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I'm voting for him, no matter what. I do get facebook feeds from his site though.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)That explains the concerted alert-stalking of late.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Damn right there's alert stalking.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)going there. Your own behavior reinforces your belief that you are being persecuted. You do realize that there is a simpler explanation that fits the data, right?
mythology
(9,527 posts)There are a lot of Sanders supporters who claim they are alert stalked and refuse to acknowledge that sometimes individual posters go too far and get the requisite number of hides.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)So do I, so does just about everyone who posts in GDP, but the point is that he goes out of his way to make blatant personal attacks, so he gets hides a lot and as I now see he is back on another time out. He seems to think he is a special victim when instead he just makes himself an easy target.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Do you think the whining by some on DU is going to in any way effect the good work done by PP? Seriously rofl!
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Even staffers' kids get stalked. You really think this internet hoo-ha is going to bother them?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)John Lewis, and most of the Democratic congressional delegation. That's a big bus.
MuseRider
(34,108 posts)I see no reason to stop health care for those who need PP to provide it just because they support someone I do not. Talk about hurting your own cause.
I said on an earlier thread that I would suspect that Bernie and Jane Sanders donate to PP (I do NOT know this but it would be something likely). Does anyone think for one minute he would stop donating to them because of this? I don't.
I think this is ridiculous, it is kinda sad for me since I do not support Hillary but it makes sense and I cannot even imagine not donating to them. My husband was going to stop our donations, I am just very glad I was sitting here when he said he was going to do that. Even he was reasonable when I brought this up.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Exactly. ^^^
Planned Parenthood helps the people that Democrats are supposed to help.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)threatening to continue to do the same.
Color me unimpressed.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Who could have predicted that?
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)so take your holier than thou name calling and place it elsewhere.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)And I'm perfectly happy posting here, thank you.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)rather than those of us you refer to.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)An observation that there are petulant children posting here is "name calling". "Name calling" makes me a "child". Which is, of couse, absolutely not "name calling".
You funny.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)children are often fascinated by simple things.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)It's in the post right above yours.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I will end it here. I know you won't be able to stop yourself from answering and continuing this silly game, so I am letting you know that you can go ahead and get last word just so we can end it. have fun with it.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)I'd post a thread but it'd get hidden.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And see my post 101 in this thread
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)But, do not agree with PP's endorsement of Hillary.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I would like to hear Bernie state his unequivocal support for PP.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)and as I have said previously, I am sure most of his supporters do as well. However I do not blame pp contributors in withholding their money for another cause when this cause stepped so quickly into the mud. I guess they could just say "hey cut it out" but money does seem to talk. It's their right to withhold or not, however most will most likely continue as before.
pp should have endorsed the democrat after the primary, but suddenly they wanted to inject themselves into this and after Clinton hires the daughter?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I'm sure that PP will see a net gain in contributions after it's endorsement. I gave to them immediately after learning about it.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)It all works out fine and those making it an issue now have no issue.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Isn't that the Democratic way?
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)so why are people spending so much time trying to convince others how terrible they are if they want to change their donation?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)for selling themselves to Clinton and apparently angering people. So am I mistaken? Didn't you say that there are many more Hillary supporters who essentially are more than making up for any donations withheld by the offended? Maybe I got it mixed up.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I do believe it is sickening how some will turn on an icon of liberal support for women because of politics.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)...beaten, sued, and MURDERED, you say Planned Parenthood leadership has "stepped quickly" into this particular action?
Autumn
(45,066 posts)stand with PP.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)But it sure appears to me that the BS and MOM supporters were thrown under the bus by PP. Some supported PP but it ignored that support and ignored tradition by supporting a candidate in the primary. I don't blame PP but I think it should be looking for better leadership.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Nobody was thrown under the bus by PP.
RandySF
(58,799 posts)Never mind what PP does for women every day. Some people want to cut ff contributions over presidential candidates.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)who also supports Planned Parenthood. Of course the organization is free to endorse whomever they choose, but I personally find it somewhat questionable that the endorsement was given after Cecile Richards' daughter was hired by Hillary's campaign. One or the other - but both together gives the appearance of quid pro quo, whether or not intended.
This is my concern with Sec. Clinton's candidacy - whether or not justified, her negatives are real.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...that's hardly proof of anything. Sanders supporters think it's a bonehead move but that's about it.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)seems to be a good way to support Planned Parenthood.
DFW
(54,370 posts)However, there is NO WAY in the world I will stop supporting PP. They do too much good for this to make that kind of difference.
Besides, I agree with the majority of Sanders supporters and the rest: first off, the endorsement, no matter how misguided, is nowhere near enough of an issue to make me stop supporting all the good work PP does. Second, if PP had endorsed Sanders, there would have been nothing but jubilation among his supporters, although the smart ones would be saying exactly the same thing they are saying now--they did not agree with PP making an endorsement at this early stage, no matter who it was they endorsed.
And I don't care what anyone says, I still love Cecile!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)here....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027513642
Which is quite hilarious, BTW.
Much of THIS thread about throwing PP under the bus reminds me
of this reply on THAT Donner thread.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)Do you BS'ers even hear yourselves?
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)between Pataki and Sanders.
Pataki was the Republican candidate who had the least bad record on reproductive liberties and the most support for Planned Parenthood.
If Planned Parenthood had endorsed Pataki, how would you react?
trumad
(41,692 posts)The guy who believes the undercover videos that falsely accuse PP of selling body parts...that guy?
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/07/pataki-i-understand-being-baffled-by-my-abortion-stance/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Gothmog
(145,176 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Fuck this shit.
SixString
(1,057 posts)That didn't take long.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Hekate
(90,674 posts)And just in case your comment disappears, here it is: Seems DUers are thin skinned about being ratfucked.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)A girl could get whiplash trying to keep track of who gets to sit on the bus and who gets to sit under it.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)I got a hide for pointing it out, first hide a year. I wish the alerter had the guts to tell me who they are but I suspect it's one of my many ignored.
This tops everything though. PP has been in the crosshairs forever, and now this?
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Some people have gone batshit crazy.
randys1
(16,286 posts)If that is in fact the case, not sure.
But if it is, think what that means.
Think about how crucial PP must see this next election.
And not that they believe Hillary is much better, if at all, than Bernie at Women's rights, but that Hillary is the best chance to defeat the political party which is on record stating they want to DESTROY Planned Parenthood.
This is no surprise.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Doesn't change the fundamentals of the work they do, or the need to support it.
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)What Planned Parenthood does..is save peoples lives, through tests and it provides free and reduced cost contraception. Shit..no one that is here should be against PP for any reason.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)I didn't realize when I posted that you were already on timeout again.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)and let them know. Especially in light of the 'kid pro quo'.
They could have waited until *after* the primary.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Most aren't.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)watching Trump and Bernie explain away their unworkable plans in the debates.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Every time someone calls me "oligarch" I make a small donation to Clinton. And now PP is on the gravy train. Oh well, goes to a good cause. And oligarchs like me are rolling in it
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)first
just days before we start making the decision for our candidate, pp does something they have never done before
that in itself is enough to warrant some attention
second
they are fucked if a pug wins the whitehouse
they chose to tempt fate and do something that could piss off a group of people who will support them
stupid
third
Hillary already has more than enough garbage being thrown at her
the seeming quid pro quo that is involved makes it even worse
welcome back