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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:00 AM Jan 2016

I am proud to stand with the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence and Hillary Clinton



http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/brady-campaign-gun-control-hillary-clinton-217605

By Gabriel Debenedetti 01/12/16 05:11 AM EST
Excerpt:

“Hillary Clinton has been a national leader on gun violence prevention for decades. More than any candidate on either side of the aisle, she has the experience, record, and demonstrated commitment to help reach the Brady Campaign’s goal of cutting gun deaths in half by 2025,” Brady Campaign President Dan Gross, who is set to appear with Clinton on Tuesday, said in a statement.

"She was with us when we passed the Brady Bill in 1993, she took on the corporate gun lobby by fighting the truly evil Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, and now she’s made gun violence prevention a centerpiece of her campaign, supporting a policy that’s already saved lives in Iowa — expanded Brady background checks on gun sales," he said.

Clinton’s campaign has noted that Sanders voted against the Brady Bill five times in pointing to his record on gun control, and has criticized the insurgent candidate more recently for his 2005 vote to limit liability for gun manufacturers and dealers — legislation Gross called "truly evil."






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I am proud to stand with the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence and Hillary Clinton (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 OP
Congratulations to Clinton on the endorsement. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #1
Do you believe the members of the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #4
If that is the case, why was it assumed by the leadership rather than confirmed by a polling? Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #6
I will answer your question when you answer mine or in the alternative we are at impasse DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #8
So there was no opportunity to poll its donor base? Thanks for explaining that. eom Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #14
If you believe DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #16
. JTFrog Jan 2016 #9
Could you please inform Ms. Karlson it doesn't have members in the sense the term... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #10
K & R Iliyah Jan 2016 #2
Great news! BooScout Jan 2016 #3
Yes indeed. MoonRiver Jan 2016 #11
The cause =/= the elite leadership. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #15
PP & Brady part of 1%? MoonRiver Jan 2016 #17
Ms Richards acts as if she is - and is commensurately paid for it. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #18
I'm sure she followed PP protocol. MoonRiver Jan 2016 #21
I am not a fan of a Manichean world view. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #19
Does your title represent an exact quote? Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #5
+1 Orsino Jan 2016 #12
Cue gun nuts to attack any and all gun control advocates. nt onehandle Jan 2016 #7
A powerful endorsement for Hillary Clinton, and a powerful indictment of Sanders. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #13
I'm interested in preventing Hillary Clinton, too... do you have a brochure? AzDar Jan 2016 #20
Preventing her from what? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #22
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
1. Congratulations to Clinton on the endorsement.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jan 2016

Just out of interest: how many Brady Campaign members were polled and how did they vote?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
4. Do you believe the members of the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jan 2016
Do you believe the members of the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence intended to endorse the gentleman who voted against five iterations of the Brady Bill and not in favor of the woman who worked tirelessly for its passage and whose husband signed it into law?









Thank you in advance.




Respectfully,
DSB
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
6. If that is the case, why was it assumed by the leadership rather than confirmed by a polling?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jan 2016

Now its seems like yet one more elite endorsement.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. I will answer your question when you answer mine or in the alternative we are at impasse
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jan 2016

Since I started this thread I will answer your question when you answer mine or in the alternative we are at an impasse where it seems meaningful and civil conversation becomes impossible.



Do you believe the members of the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence intended to endorse the gentleman who voted against five iterations of the Brady Bill and not in favor of the woman who worked tirelessly for its passage and whose husband signed it into law?


Thank you in advance.



Respectfully,
DSB



P.S. In the spirit of comity please see Post #10. Thank you in advance.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. If you believe
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jan 2016
If you believe the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence intended to endorse the gentleman who voted against five iterations of the Brady Bill and not in favor of the woman who worked tirelessly for its passage and whose husband signed it into law there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

Respectfully,
DSB



P.S. But please keep trying to get me to alter my response. Respectfully, the chances of me altering it are somewhere between Slim and None and Slim is out of town.







DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. Could you please inform Ms. Karlson it doesn't have members in the sense the term...
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jan 2016

Could you please inform Ms. Karlson it doesn't have members in the sense the term is commonly understood. It has an executive staff and uses the money it raises to curb gun violence.


Thank you in advance.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
11. Yes indeed.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jan 2016

For some, no matter how noble the cause, e.g. PP, Brady Campaign, it is evil incarnate if not a Bernie supporter. How sad is that?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
18. Ms Richards acts as if she is - and is commensurately paid for it.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jan 2016

Ms Richards hardly consulted her members / donors before OK-ing her PAC's endorsement, did she?

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
21. I'm sure she followed PP protocol.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jan 2016

If you have solid evidence of corruption on her part, please post, rather than defame a woman dedicated to women's health and Democratic values.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
19. I am not a fan of a Manichean world view.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jan 2016

I am not a fan of a Manichean world view.




I rather build bridges than blow em up.

Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
5. Does your title represent an exact quote?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jan 2016

If it isn't his exact words, you might want to reword it.

This is what you wrote:

"I am proud to stand with the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence and Hillary Clinton"

It sounds like he is proud to prevent Hillary Clinton. I think the correct statement would be, "I am proud to stand with Hillary Clinton and prevent gun violence."

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
13. A powerful endorsement for Hillary Clinton, and a powerful indictment of Sanders.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jan 2016

When the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence needed Sanders' vote, he balked and refused to give them support FIVE TIMES.

From PolitiFact:

• In May 1991, Sanders voted against a version that mandated a seven-day waiting period for background checks, but the bill passed in the House.

• The Senate decreased the waiting period to five days and the bill returned to the House. In Nov. 1991, Sanders voted against that version. Though it passed in the House, the Senate didn’t muster enough votes. The Brady bill and its gun control stance remained in limbo during 1992.

• After some back and forth, a version of the bill resurfaced that reinstated the five day waiting period. In November 1993, Sanders voted against that version but for an amendment imposing an instant background check instead (seen by some as pointless, as the technology for instant checks didn’t exist at the time).

He also voted against an amendment that would have ended state waiting periods, and for an amendment giving those denied a gun the right to know why.

• The final compromise version of the Brady bill -- an interim five-day waiting period while installing an instant background check system -- was passed and signed into law on Nov. 30, 1993. Sanders voted against it.


So now they won't be there for him. Poetic justice!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
22. Preventing her from what?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jan 2016
I'm interested in preventing Hillary Clinton, too... do you have a brochure?

-AzDAr


Preventing her from what? From preventing the gentleman who voted against five iterations of the Brady Bill from becoming our nominee?


Thank you in advance.

Respectfully,
DSB


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