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Tue May 28, 2013, 02:21 PM

Is rape legitimate if she dresses provocatively? One author argues yes

I didn't know if you all heard about this guy. Don't these idiots realize what this says about men? And as someone who has had drunken bad sex that I've regretted the next morning, I'm very clear on the difference between that and rape thank you very much. I don't need mansplaining on that particular topic.

British author Nick Ross insists that “I’m not saying rape isn’t rape” – except when he says, “Rape isn’t always rape.”

He says things like, “Rape is one of the most defiling crimes and there is never excuse or justification for it.” Then he says, “In any other crime we take account of provocation and contributory factors. Even in murder. Why not with sex?” And he wonders why readers are a little confused.

In the U.K., Ross, the former host of a show called “Crimewatch,” has been making headlines with his new book, “Crime” — especially the chapter on sex crimes. In a controversial excerpt that ran in the Sunday Mail, Ross declared that:

“The main argument of my book is this: we can aggravate crime by tempting fate, and we curb it by playing safe. We have come to acknowledge it is foolish to leave laptops on the back seat of the car. We would laugh at a bank that stored sacks of cash by the front door. We would be aghast if an airport badly skimped on its security…. Our forebears might be astonished at how safe women are today given what throughout history would have been regarded as incitement … they would be baffled that girls are mostly unescorted, stay out late, often get profoundly drunk and sometimes openly kiss, grope or go to bed with one-night stands.”

It’s a theme he expands upon in his book, in which he says research reveals that “half of all women who have had penetrative sex unwillingly do not think they were raped and this proportion rises strongly when the assault involves a boyfriend, or if the woman is drunk or high on drugs: They led him on, they went too far, it wasn’t forcible, they didn’t make themselves clear … For them rape isn’t always rape.” He adds, “We should not forget, of course, that women can sometimes turn sex to their own advantage, which occasionally has other implications for crime.”

In other words, if a woman blames herself for her rape, that’s just dandy, because ladies are always using their feminine wiles anyway.


http://www.salon.com/2013/05/28/is_rape_legitimate_if_she_dresses_provocatively_one_author_argues_yes/

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ismnotwasm May 2013 OP
Arcanetrance May 2013 #1
BainsBane May 2013 #2
redqueen May 2013 #3
Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #4
redqueen May 2013 #7
CrispyQ May 2013 #8
redqueen May 2013 #5
ladjf May 2013 #6

Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 02:26 PM

1. A rapist is gonna rape regardless of what the victim is wearing

They can be covered in a burka or completely naked the rapist has made their mind up long before the meeting the victim.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 02:32 PM

2. Those who advance such ideas don't think about what it says about men

That argument assumes that all men are predisposed to rape and it is only a woman's dress that keeps them from committing a crime. That is the same argument the Saudi government uses to compel women to wear abayas, only it doesn't deter rape. Someone is either a rapist or he isn't. What stops him is being put in jail, period. Anyone who justifies sexual assault by virtue of what a woman is wearing is a rapist or enabler of rape, because some who make that argument are actually women.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #2)

Tue May 28, 2013, 02:47 PM

3. Or maybe they do realize it, and they're projecting. nt

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 02:50 PM

4. And as I have said many times before,

the person who steals the laptop from the car, or takes the stack of money by the bank's door, will still be convicted for their crime. No jury is going to let them off the hook simply because of the car owner's or bank's poor choice.

But let a woman in a mini-skirt get raped and all bets are off.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #4)

Tue May 28, 2013, 02:52 PM

7. And what a perfect example of the objectification, the complete dehumanization of women. nt

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #4)

Wed May 29, 2013, 12:29 PM

8. This. ^^^

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 02:50 PM

5. Could those who spew such crap be attempting to rationalize their own behavior?

Desperately trying to avoid admitting some past crime to themselves?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 02:51 PM

6. The question is too dumb to bother answering. nt

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