Fuckers

[ismnotwasm]

Wisconsin Gov. signs strict abortion restriction bill that requires women to have ultrasound before procedure


Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker signed a contentious Republican bill that would require women seeking an abortion to view an ultrasound of the fetus before the procedure and prohibit doctors from performing abortions unless they have admitting privileges at a local hospital. Opponents have vowed to sue to stop the law.

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Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker signed into law on Friday new abortion restrictions that opponents said could lead to the closing of two of the state's four abortion clinics.

Opponents of the law, which goes into effect Monday, July 8, filed a federal lawsuit challenging it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wisconsin-gov-signs-tough-new-abortion-bill-law-article-1.1391662

[fredamae]

1. Just My Humble Opinion

But When are WE going to call this what it Is?

Anybody else this driven and Obsessed with the Control of Vaginas, Uteri, Ovaries/Eggs and Fallopian Tubes, in Any other Setting would be investigated and charged as Perverts. Period.

This is an Excessive, Non-Scientifically Based Sick Perverted Sexual Obsession, imo.

They've never submitted Any Medical and Scientific basis that Supports their positions as a foundation of proving WHY Women are too irresponsible and Incompetent to make these Most personal and private health care decisions.....and as far as I can tell? WE'VE Never Demanded that they Do! We simply buy their narrative that we Need Govt Oversight and voice Discontent over WHO Does it!
Wake Up and demand Proof!

[Deep13]

2. +1 nt

[ismnotwasm]

3. +1000

[Squinch]

5. I think that is true for some, but there is something else too:

For many, I don't think this is sexual at all. This is a means for controlling women that is age old. Since the beginning of time, the way to subjugate the women from the other tribe so they wouldn't run away was: rape and impregnate, keep them weak and tied down.

This is panic that women are no longer under the control of men, and that women compete with men in the workplace, and are doing well in the competition. This is fear that women won't want to be with them.

That isn't sexual. That's a need to dominate, and a fear of their own powerlessness.

[fredamae]

7. I don't believe it's

sexual so much in terms of intimacy, but rather the organs of choice--they are our sexual being...it defines us.

They demean that in their actions and their words--their beliefs and associations to rape, our sexual liberties-yes, ultimately it is about control--but there are other means to control us without obstructing our access to health care-such as the 19th amend, which I believe will be of issue in the not to distant future, disallowing us the rights to own property, abstinence only sex education for our kids--is part of it, esp for girls, imo...
In that sense, I see a connection to a type of "sexual perversion"....
Thank you for your comments, it is something more to consider.
It is time we had this discussion in it's whole and raw terms because I simply don't believe there should be any conversation Or even an iota of consideration regarding control over Any part of a Woman's body. Why we have engaged in any sort of debate over this in the first is baffling.
Again, in this type of narrative, we are in effect, voluntarily submitting ourselves To Statutory Oversight and only argue WHO, not Why!

[Squinch]

11. Yes. The demeaning and shaming are key, and you are right that there are other

means to control us that they could choose and don't, and that gives another glimpse into the psyches that are doing this.

AND YES!!!!!! You are so right! By engaging in this type of narrative, we are voluntarily submitting to statutory oversight. We should not have to argue at all. Neither Who nor Why.

I think, though, that the key to this is in that idea: we are engaging in conversation with them about this, and thereby conceding authority over our own bodies.

This is a very unformed thought, but I think the correct civil disobedience with respect to this lies down that road. I have not given permission to discuss what goes on with my vagina and uterus, and therefore, THEY MAY NOT!

[fredamae]

18. For generations and generations

little girls to women have been "conditioned" to "accept" the direction and limitations of this narrative of "who" instead of going on offense, challenging "them" to defend "the Why in the first place".
I believe this is at least partly why we keep going in circles over an ages old circular argument. We're losing.

The very idea women are so addle minded that we can't decide on this matter yet are held fully responsible for every other damned thing in our lives is pure bullshit.

And yes, you are 100% correct- Both Who and Why are unacceptable-but we gotta start there, I think...

[siligut]

8. It also gives more money to medical providers

And provides more opportunity to shame the woman. Who pays for the ultrasound? Couldn't abortion providers do the ultrasounds?

[Squinch]

9. WE pay for the ultrasounds. But Early Intervention therapy, that takes care of infants with

developmental issues, is being dismantled all around the country.

Fuckers is right.

[siligut]

10. I didn't know about the Early Intervention therapy being dismantled

How is this justified? Will you be specific? I did a search but couldn't find that these services were being cut.

So the patient is made to pay for an ultrasound she doesn't need or want? Fuckers is right.

[Squinch]

12. In New York, the pay, which had not been changed since 1997,

was cut by 20% in 2010, and then again in 2011. Now, there is a new central payment system. Many of the smaller municipalities are on it. This has not yet gotten to the city, but things generally roll out upstate and then get to NYC a little later. I have notes from people saying they haven't been paid since March, people saying they are billing for one amount and getting checks for a third of that amount with no explanation.

Two of my friends who tried to stay at the job are losing their homes because of the financial hardships.

Mandates are changing from more frequent shorter sessions, to hour long sessions. (Which are useless, because a 7-month-old cannot work for an hour.)

Paperwork changes monthly, and if there are any errors, the therapist doesn't get paid.

Therapists are leaving in droves, kids are not being served.

Which, of course, was the objective in the first place.

This is a very careful effort. It is not legislated, it is not reported. It is, though, happening.

[siligut]

13. Yes, a method to the madness

The concern for the general well-being of the people has disappeared. I am sorry to hear of this, it is disheartening to say the least

[Squinch]

15. I got out after the second pay cut. Went through literal grief over it.

I was really good at that work, goddamn them!

[ismnotwasm]

14. You know that almost literally makes me sick to my stomach

Horrible.

[Squinch]

16. I know. It gets me every time I think about it. And I'm just waiting to see

how it affects the condition of the kids we see in schools in three or four years. It's going to be a disaster, and each time I look at them, I will be wondering how much of their conditions could have been prevented if we had gotten to them sooner.

[ismnotwasm]

17. I had a school social worker tell me once (patient of mine)

That a LOT of things could be prevented with fully funded and supported school staff--including some of the school shootings. He said something like "a good social worker would spot the signs before it happens' As it is now we leave kids out to dry or put them on Ritalin or anti-psychotics (not that there isn't a time and place for medication)

[Squinch]

20. And as a therapist who works with a wide age range, I can unequivocally say

that if you give me a 5 month old with a problem, I can fix that problem in a fraction of the time it will take me if you give me that child when they are at school age. With many physical developmental problems, the window when they can be fixed is quite early.

[ismnotwasm]

21. And we cut funding for this?

I know early intervention is key, but I'm not familiar with HOW early. As you point out that makes the hypocrisy of cutting funding for such early intervention disgusting beyond belief.

[LiberalLoner]

19. +1

[Arcanetrance]

4. I've always thought of these procedures as state sanctioned rape

[ismnotwasm]

6. About how I feel

It's disgusting legislation