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Thu Jan 9, 2014, 10:12 AM

Does Looking at the Ultrasound Before an Abortion Change Women's Minds?

They needed a study for this? Fucking fucked up Republican reproductive slavery POS bullshit assholes. Or anyone else who is anti-choice



Seven states now mandate that women seeking abortion get an ultrasound first, and require doctors to offer the women a chance to see the images; three states require the doctors to show and describe the ultrasound. But despite the conservative push for these laws, smaller studies out of Texas, Canada and South Africa imply that sonogram viewings do not impact women’s decisions to end or continue their pregnancies.

This latest study is much larger. Researchers analyzed 15,575 medical records from an urban abortion care provider in Los Angeles. Each patient seeking an abortion was asked how she felt about her choice: Those who made “clear and confident” replies were rated as having “high decision certainty,” while those who seemed sad, angry or ambivalent were said to show “medium” or “low” decision certainty. (Only 7.4 percent of the women fell into the latter categories.) Patients underwent ultrasounds as part of the standard procedure, and 42.5 percent of them opted to see the images. Of those, 98.4 percent terminated their pregnancies; 99 percent of the women who did not look at the photographs ended their pregnancies. But here’s the thing: The women who viewed the sonograms and then backed out were all part of that 7.4 percent of women with low or medium decision certainty. Women who knew abortion was the right decision for them continued with the procedure whether they were shown the images or not.

The main takeaway here is definitely that 98.4 percent of the women who saw their ultrasounds went on to get an abortion anyway. And for the 1.6 percent who decided not to go through with it, other factors, such as gestational age, were more salient in swaying them. (“It is the information the ultrasound scan renders…rather than the image that influences women’s decision-making,” the researchers write.) Also, it is clear that once you’ve resolved to terminate, gazing at the bean won’t change that: Exactly none of the women with high decision certainty were dissuaded by their sonograms.

Yet viewing the ultrasound images did influence some of the wavering women to stick with their pregnancies. Even though the number is very small, this is important to acknowledge. It means not only that forcing or pressuring women to look at their fetus will probably prevent a sliver of abortions—which is relevant for those who oppose and want to reduce abortions—but also that some women do respond to these pictures. I don’t buy the patronizing notion that patients seeking abortion “know not what they do”—that they have some false idea about the contents of their uteruses to be toppled by an “adorable,” “precious” or “lifelike” sonogram. I also doubt all women even have the maternal instinct right-wingers hope these images will fan to life. But I do trust that unsure women who voluntarily look at ultrasounds and then decide against abortion are acting as rationally as the ones who decide to go through with it. We all make choices along a variety of axes: the financial axis, the relationship status axis, the personal goals and dreams axis, the ethical axis and, yes, the emotional axis. Expecting women to ignore any one scrap of data (as if they are not capable of weighing it, carefully, alongside the others) is underestimating women.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/01/09/ultrasound_viewing_before_an_abortion_a_new_study_finds_that_for_a_small.html

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Reply Does Looking at the Ultrasound Before an Abortion Change Women's Minds? (Original post)
ismnotwasm Jan 2014 OP
cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #1
redqueen Jan 2014 #4
GeoWilliam750 Jan 2014 #10
peace13 Jan 2014 #2
sinkingfeeling Jan 2014 #3
cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #7
peace13 Jan 2014 #11
cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #13
peace13 Jan 2014 #14
peace13 Jan 2014 #12
Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #5
One_Life_To_Give Jan 2014 #6
cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #8
MadrasT Jan 2014 #9

Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 10:20 AM

1. Are you surprised?

They don't know how a woman's mind works. It's all that mystery that comes with being a lady, you know. A man can't possibly know why a women wants an abortion or how she feels.

The only thing they accomplished was to add an extra expense to the procedure, so that poor women would struggle even more to be able to get it done.

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Response to cinnabonbon (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:14 PM

4. Goddess, no shit!

They need to just give us access to healthcare and get out of the fucking way already.

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Response to cinnabonbon (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 05:16 PM

10. Always the same

Take control and take money

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 10:32 AM

2. The answer to the question....

 

Birth control, birth control, birth control.

Can they force a woman to look? Do they pry her eyes open? I have real concerns with this. I have two Family members who have had their lives destroyed by abortion. They are in their fifties and have spent their lives measuring the age of their aborted zygote to the age of my son. This wasteful ultrasound is nothing but abuse. It is truly a sick mind that would vote to initiate such a thing.

Women unite. When we get our rights back then we'll talk!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 11:56 AM

3. Was my life 'destroyd' because I remember I have a 43 year old son and

had an abortion 37 years ago this month?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 01:29 PM

7. I don't think she's saying that everyone who has had an abortion

destroys their life by doing that. I think she's just commenting on how hard the procedure was on her family members (and to be fair, the rw has managed to make the procedure pretty damn hard to deal with because of all the extra shaming.)

Lives aren't necessarily ruined by medical procedures like abortion. In most cases it's a necessary thing, and a relief to the women who goes through it. That doesn't mean you're not allowed to feel bad about the what could have been.

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Response to cinnabonbon (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:10 PM

11. Thanks for that,Cinn!

 

You were correct in your explanation. Some people can make a clear decision and never falter or self doubt....others, well not so much. To be clear Planned Parenthood gets the majority of my donations. I fight for women to be able to make their own choices. I feel that the first line of defense is the best birth control available. Abortion should be there when needed.

All of this being said, abortion is a burden that some women carry and I feel their pain. Organized religion fuels the fire and that makes things even more difficult.

I was out and missed the post. I couldn't have said it better though! Thanks for helping! Peace, Kim

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Response to peace13 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:21 PM

13. You're welcome, Kim.

I was hoping I wasn't putting words in your mouth.

As far as people who grieve because of their abortions.... they deserve all the empathy in the world. I'm sorry your family members still carry it with them, and I hope they'll be able to find some solace in the future.

I absolutely agree with you that organized religion is making abortion harder than it needs to be. It's also creating a very hostile culture that tries to shame you for wanting bodily autonomy. Not good.

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Response to cinnabonbon (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 01:19 AM

14. My sister, 57, suffers from spino cerebellar syndrome.

 

This is a disease similar to ALS in that she has lost all movement, bowel control and on some days is unable to speak yet she understands everything that she hears. A once vibrant woman has become encapsulated in her frozen body. While she would call herself Christian she is unable to forgive herself. She is locked in living hell. I try my best to speak love and forgiveness and to help carry her on to a peaceful place. The task is daunting. Peace, Kim

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:17 PM

12. It's a memory and a mark as you say.

 

My point is that abortion is rarely treated lightly by the woman who needs it. It shapes her life from that point. It is and should be a choice that she alone can make. People who judge a woman who has an abortion rarely understand the complexity of her thoughts and feelings about it.

In my family the women have struggled with their decision and I feel their pain. Peace and love to you, Kim

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 01:05 PM

5. Having a formal study is a good thing.

It measures the response to ultrasound against the stated ambivalence beforehand and still finds that very few women change their choice based on having the ultrasound. Goodbye anecdote, goodbye common sense, hello data.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 01:09 PM

6. More curious if it were to cause issues down the road

What I want to know is does forcing a woman too look at the images result in a increase in mental health problems down the road? Seems to me it's like forcing someone to see accident pictures. Could that cause/amplify PTSD in some part of the people subjected to forced viewing?

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Response to One_Life_To_Give (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 01:32 PM

8. and can they sue the politicians

for forcing them to have to deal with transvaginal ultrasounds against their will? I mean, not only would have to look at what might feel like accident pictures, you're also essentially being raped with an object while it goes on.

Probably not, but I can dream.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 05:11 PM

9. I suspect it would make me want an abortion more.

Not less.

I have this issue with having parasites growing in my body.

Yeah, I know that may sound harsh to some. Tough shit. My body, my choice.

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